Re: [Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008

2007-10-18 Thread Jimmy Jones

Not to mention Mike that Enforcement of this plan would be a nightmare. 
The ARRL and their plan are a joke.
What's wrong with the plan that we have?
I roll around the bands and don't even hear that many stations on the
air from 10 meters to 160 meters yet we always have a bunch of want to
be cops trying to change things solely for the sake of change.
Did I mention I love my flex?
Mike, you're pissing in the wind trying to explain this to the ear bleed
ARRL bunch. Good Luck trying.
They will never get it.


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Particularly when well EQ'd, the fidelity and intelligibility is greatly
increased even at a 40Hz to 3.5Khz transmit band-pass.  One does not
have to
second guess what is being said by the other station, as at that
band-pass
it is starting to sound like they are right in your shack sitting next
to
you while conversing.  

Being unsociable is either knowingly transmitting into someone else's
band-pass, or transmitting a broad signal in crowded conditions, both of
which says a lot about the individual operator as opposed to the
bandwidth
he is currently occupying.  Remember, this operator is on a Flex, and
can
easily adjust their transmit bandwidth on the fly.

73,

Mike
W5CUL
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What is wrong with 2.7kHz bandwith on SSB? Why would anyone need more
for 
SSB communication?
The panadapter shows how excessively wide some hame signals are. Not an 
effecient or social way of communicating.

73 Maarten N1DZ

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 That band plan is a really awful thing.   Why have a Flex Radio?  The
 plan calls for 2.7 kHz SSB bandwidth and 6 kHz AM (and not much of
 that).  You sure don't need a Flex radio to do that.

 Perhaps we can derail this thing.

 Jon

 On Oct 16, 2007, at 6:35 PM, KQ8RP wrote:

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Re: [Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008

2007-10-17 Thread K6JEK
That band plan is a really awful thing.   Why have a Flex Radio?  The  
plan calls for 2.7 kHz SSB bandwidth and 6 kHz AM (and not much of  
that).  You sure don't need a Flex radio to do that.

Perhaps we can derail this thing.

Jon

On Oct 16, 2007, at 6:35 PM, KQ8RP wrote:

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Re: [Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008

2007-10-17 Thread Ahti Aintila
Jon,

Take it positively. Isn't it good that you have the excellent digital
filters in your Flex Radio? With the 2.4 kHz SSB filter you can pass
safely your 300 Hz to 2.7 kHz audio modulation to the ionosphere and
rest safe that you don't splatter around with your unnecessarily broad
transmission and disturb your fellow hams on the neighboring channels.

And by the way, I really wonder that some still, after more than 60
years of amateur SSB, want to use double sideband with full carrier
outside anywhere else than in Faraday cages of some Radio Museums.

Best regards from the RF-congested Europe,
Ahti OH2RZ


On 17/10/2007, K6JEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That band plan is a really awful thing.   Why have a Flex Radio?  The
 plan calls for 2.7 kHz SSB bandwidth and 6 kHz AM (and not much of
 that).  You sure don't need a Flex radio to do that.

 Perhaps we can derail this thing.

 Jon

 On Oct 16, 2007, at 6:35 PM, KQ8RP wrote:

  Sure glad I own a SDR!!
 
  http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=STf=3t=171194
 
 
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  Phone: (888) 428-6622
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Re: [Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008

2007-10-17 Thread Jeff Anderson
The Flex's ability to receive, and to transmit, bandwidths greater than 2.7
KHz make it my favorite radio, by far.

Fortunately out here on the West Coast, bands such as 75 meters are not at
all congested.  If the bandwidth is available and you're not interfering
with anyone, what's the harm of running a SSB signal that's 4 to 5 KHz wide?
It sounds *great* on the Flex.  Give it a try.  Once you do you'll realize
that 2.4 KHz audio, by comparison, sounds terrible.

As for AM - some of those old boatanchors truly sound amazing and are a joy
to listen to.  And it's also a step back into history, envoking a different
era of ham radio.  Why run AM, you wonder?  Heck, you might as well ask,
why run CW?  Both are outdated (in my opinion), but both can also be great
fun.

Best regards from the Left Coast,

- Jeff, K6JCA

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Jon,

Take it positively. Isn't it good that you have the excellent digital
filters in your Flex Radio? With the 2.4 kHz SSB filter you can pass
safely your 300 Hz to 2.7 kHz audio modulation to the ionosphere and
rest safe that you don't splatter around with your unnecessarily broad
transmission and disturb your fellow hams on the neighboring channels.

And by the way, I really wonder that some still, after more than 60
years of amateur SSB, want to use double sideband with full carrier
outside anywhere else than in Faraday cages of some Radio Museums.

Best regards from the RF-congested Europe,
Ahti OH2RZ


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Re: [Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008

2007-10-17 Thread KQ8RP
This is the new IARU Region 2 band plan that goes into effect
January 1, 2008.  It has not been adapted by the FCC and is
not actually law, nor does it automatically become part of the
FCC regulations.  I believe it will by 2010.  Just in time for the
sunspots to start increasing and better conditions.

The great thing about owning a SDR, the software can be changed
the same day it goes into effect.  If and when this does go into effect
there won't be many radios out there that can do this..

This whole bandplan thing looks like it is lining things up for more
digiatal modes?


Scott Gordon
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 Sure glad I own a SDR!!

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Re: [Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008

2007-10-17 Thread Bob Maser
What about license class operating privileges? Is there no longer any 
benefit in getting the Extra class license?
Also,  I'm glad that I no longer have any AM gear.

Bob  W6TR
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 Jon,

 Take it positively. Isn't it good that you have the excellent digital
 filters in your Flex Radio? With the 2.4 kHz SSB filter you can pass
 safely your 300 Hz to 2.7 kHz audio modulation to the ionosphere and
 rest safe that you don't splatter around with your unnecessarily broad
 transmission and disturb your fellow hams on the neighboring channels.

 And by the way, I really wonder that some still, after more than 60
 years of amateur SSB, want to use double sideband with full carrier
 outside anywhere else than in Faraday cages of some Radio Museums.

 Best regards from the RF-congested Europe,
 Ahti OH2RZ


 On 17/10/2007, K6JEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That band plan is a really awful thing.   Why have a Flex Radio?  The
 plan calls for 2.7 kHz SSB bandwidth and 6 kHz AM (and not much of
 that).  You sure don't need a Flex radio to do that.

 Perhaps we can derail this thing.

 Jon

 On Oct 16, 2007, at 6:35 PM, KQ8RP wrote:

  Sure glad I own a SDR!!
 
  http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=STf=3t=171194
 
 
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  Phone: (888) 428-6622
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Re: [Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008

2007-10-17 Thread Rob Dennison
 Hi Scott,

Sounds like good thoughts.

Here's the way I feel about band plans:

There is a good analogy between hunting regulations and communications
regulations.  

There are antique hunting weapons and modern fire arms.   It is
universally accepted that different seasons make for safety and maximum
results.  Generally speaking different seasons for archers, black powder,
modern firearms etc.   Modern Firearms tend to get the bulk of the
hunting season.  

Similary there are antique communication modes and modern communication
modes.  It must  be accepted that different spectrum allocations will
make for minimum interference and maximum results in the communications
world.  Generally speaking different spectrum for CW, AM, SSB and modern
digital modes .  Over the long term, digital modes ought to get the bulk
of spectrum.

Now there is a serious problem with ARRL's attempt to allocate spectrum
by waveform bandwidth.   One can no more separate communication modes by
bandwidth then one can separate hunting seasons by muzzle velocity. 
There is too much overlap.

My two cents worth...

Rob
AB7CF


On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:34:57 -0400 KQ8RP [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 This is the new IARU Region 2 band plan that goes into effect
 January 1, 2008.  It has not been adapted by the FCC and is
 not actually law, nor does it automatically become part of the
 FCC regulations.  I believe it will by 2010.  Just in time for the
 sunspots to start increasing and better conditions.
 
 The great thing about owning a SDR, the software can be changed
 the same day it goes into effect.  If and when this does go into 
 effect
 there won't be many radios out there that can do this..
 
 This whole bandplan thing looks like it is lining things up for 
 more
 digiatal modes?
 
 
 Scott Gordon
 Phone: (888) 428-6622
 Fax (866) 505-7171
 http://www.srgproperty.com
 
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Re: [Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008

2007-10-17 Thread Rob Dennison
 To pour some aviation fuel on the fire,  I think extra class should as a
minimum include permission to operate AM any band.   

There is no other mode in which so much spectrum can be fouled so easily.

Rob
AB7CF


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writes:
 What about license class operating privileges? Is there no longer any 
 
 benefit in getting the Extra class license?
 Also,  I'm glad that I no longer have any AM gear.
 
 Bob  W6TR
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 From: Ahti Aintila [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: K6JEK [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: FlexRadio Reflector FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008
 
 
  Jon,
 
  Take it positively. Isn't it good that you have the excellent 
 digital
  filters in your Flex Radio? With the 2.4 kHz SSB filter you can 
 pass
  safely your 300 Hz to 2.7 kHz audio modulation to the ionosphere 
 and
  rest safe that you don't splatter around with your unnecessarily 
 broad
  transmission and disturb your fellow hams on the neighboring 
 channels.
 
  And by the way, I really wonder that some still, after more than 
 60
  years of amateur SSB, want to use double sideband with full 
 carrier
  outside anywhere else than in Faraday cages of some Radio 
 Museums.
 
  Best regards from the RF-congested Europe,
  Ahti OH2RZ
 
 
  On 17/10/2007, K6JEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  That band plan is a really awful thing.   Why have a Flex Radio?  
 The
  plan calls for 2.7 kHz SSB bandwidth and 6 kHz AM (and not much 
 of
  that).  You sure don't need a Flex radio to do that.
 
  Perhaps we can derail this thing.
 
  Jon
 
  On Oct 16, 2007, at 6:35 PM, KQ8RP wrote:
 
   Sure glad I own a SDR!!
  
   http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=STf=3t=171194
  
  
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Re: [Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008

2007-10-17 Thread Maarten
What is wrong with 2.7kHz bandwith on SSB? Why would anyone need more for 
SSB communication?
The panadapter shows how excessively wide some hame signals are. Not an 
effecient or social way of communicating.

73 Maarten N1DZ

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Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008


 That band plan is a really awful thing.   Why have a Flex Radio?  The
 plan calls for 2.7 kHz SSB bandwidth and 6 kHz AM (and not much of
 that).  You sure don't need a Flex radio to do that.

 Perhaps we can derail this thing.

 Jon

 On Oct 16, 2007, at 6:35 PM, KQ8RP wrote:

 Sure glad I own a SDR!!

 http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=STf=3t=171194


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Re: [Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008

2007-10-17 Thread W5CUL
Particularly when well EQ'd, the fidelity and intelligibility is greatly
increased even at a 40Hz to 3.5Khz transmit band-pass.  One does not have to
second guess what is being said by the other station, as at that band-pass
it is starting to sound like they are right in your shack sitting next to
you while conversing.  

Being unsociable is either knowingly transmitting into someone else's
band-pass, or transmitting a broad signal in crowded conditions, both of
which says a lot about the individual operator as opposed to the bandwidth
he is currently occupying.  Remember, this operator is on a Flex, and can
easily adjust their transmit bandwidth on the fly.

73,

Mike
W5CUL
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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:02 PM
To: FlexRadio Reflector
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008

What is wrong with 2.7kHz bandwith on SSB? Why would anyone need more for 
SSB communication?
The panadapter shows how excessively wide some hame signals are. Not an 
effecient or social way of communicating.

73 Maarten N1DZ

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From: K6JEK [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FlexRadio Reflector FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008


 That band plan is a really awful thing.   Why have a Flex Radio?  The
 plan calls for 2.7 kHz SSB bandwidth and 6 kHz AM (and not much of
 that).  You sure don't need a Flex radio to do that.

 Perhaps we can derail this thing.

 Jon

 On Oct 16, 2007, at 6:35 PM, KQ8RP wrote:

 Sure glad I own a SDR!!

 http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=STf=3t=171194


 Scott Gordon
 Phone: (888) 428-6622
 Fax (866) 505-7171
 http://www.srgproperty.com
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[Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008

2007-10-16 Thread KQ8RP
Sure glad I own a SDR!!

http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=STf=3t=171194


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