Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question
Lack of 32-bit driver support is THE major problem with running a 64-bit Windows system, and it's the reason I don't run my "personal" systems at home in 64-bit mode. The situation is much better than it was -- thanks to Microsoft's requirement that any driver that's Logo'ed for Vista or Win7 have both 32-bit and 64-bit variants. But it's still a problem for a variety of devices, especially older devices and devices created by small vendors. What's so very annoying about this is that: (a) making your drivers support 64-bit Windows is not either difficult or time consuming (except for a VERY small subset of drivers that use x87 floating point instructions in kernel mode), and (b) the OEMs/IHVs have had MORE THAN SIX YEARS to work on 64-bit drivers for their devices. Any vendor that doesn't have 64-bit drivers doesn't have them because they don't want to. Many vendors are using the 64-bit requirement as an excuse to not support older devices, thereby reducing software support costs. I suspect you'll see Windows desktop OSes in the near future be 64-bit only. Windows Server already dropped support for 32-bit (as of WS2008R2). Might as well get ready... Peter K1PGV ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question
Hi Carl and all, We are an HP Partner. We have been notified that any 32 Bit machines will be Special Order and have an added cost. It appears the industry has decided to move on to the 64 Bit platform. The nice thing is they will build and test the machine with windows 7 so most hardware problems are resolved. Business Class machines sold by Partners are normally ready for daily operations. I wish the industry was just a bit more open about these major moves. The software vendors are left behind and last to respond. Even though Windows 7 allows operation by a 32Bit program, there are always a few issues with expected items that are not cross supported. The add on devices are also a problem. One customer has a 3.5 Floppy/USB drive he has been using for the last year. We put in a new machine and bingo the drive does not work. BTW, he did not mention to anyone he was using it during the upgrade survey. It did not occur to him that it would not just plug in a work. Several other customers have reported issues with the Serial/USB dongles. This appear to be another area that is slowly resolving itself. At least one thing I am finding, the Flex Radio stuff appears to work and be solid. Chalk one up for the boys at Flex. Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Carl N9GC Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:11 AM To: Tim Ellison; Neal Campbell; Bill Jourdain Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question Just had my five year old HP Pavilion (single core 2.2 GHz) Win XP Home media center desktop croak. Took two months to die. Looking for another computer. Virtually all the dual or four core computers available come with Win Vista 64 bit or now Win 7 64 bit. I got mine from Microcenter - Gateway DX4300-09 6 Gb RAM, 320 Gb hard drive, Win Vista 64 bit. $350.00. 64 bit is difficult if not impossible to avoid with anything but single core processors. Best Buy and others of that ilk would have been worse. Still loading things but much smoother, faster, etc. No major issues yet except for mourning the loss of some old DOS-based programs I liked. Will work on PowerSDR transition when "Deep Impact" arrives. Carl N9GC - Original Message - From: "Tim Ellison" To: "Neal Campbell" ; "Bill Jourdain" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question Because the PC hardware OEMs are shoving it down our collective throats to accelerate the "acceptance" of 64-bit Windows operating systems. (sell more chips, sell more operating systems, sell more software, sell more...) Remember the days when we were dragged kicking an screaming from 16-bit to 32-bit Windows? It su*ked then and it su*ks now. Déjà vu. Resistance is futile. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:07 PM To: Bill Jourdain Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question Why is it everyone is going Win7 x64? I mean, I know the technical reasons that would drive somone to go to the 64 bit OS but it seems highly unlikely that there is such a demand for 4.6+ GB of memory for their pc operation? People are just buying twice the pan for their bucks but nevermind! Bill, sri to be dumping on your email, it wasn't you that was directed at, I have just been thru 3 days of trying to figure out why DXBase works on 50% of win7 x64 systems and am a bit crispy about it! Anyway, I looked at FTDI's website (who makes the chip that drives probably 90+% appears to have their base driver signed and ready for win7 x64. A 90+lot of companies will add to the base driver which turns it into a new driver which likely will not be signed nor necessarily work so caveat emptor but I think the chances of getting a USB->Serial adapter are not that bad! Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.dxbase.com www.abrohamnealsoftware.com www.sdrsystems.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Bill Jourdain wrote: > Thanks. This looks like a great device. Unfortunately, it appears > that it is not compatible with a 64 bit Vista or Win7 system as it > does not have a > 64 bit driver available. > > 73, > > Bill &g
Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question
Just had my five year old HP Pavilion (single core 2.2 GHz) Win XP Home media center desktop croak. Took two months to die. Looking for another computer. Virtually all the dual or four core computers available come with Win Vista 64 bit or now Win 7 64 bit. I got mine from Microcenter - Gateway DX4300-09 6 Gb RAM, 320 Gb hard drive, Win Vista 64 bit. $350.00. 64 bit is difficult if not impossible to avoid with anything but single core processors. Best Buy and others of that ilk would have been worse. Still loading things but much smoother, faster, etc. No major issues yet except for mourning the loss of some old DOS-based programs I liked. Will work on PowerSDR transition when "Deep Impact" arrives. Carl N9GC - Original Message - From: "Tim Ellison" To: "Neal Campbell" ; "Bill Jourdain" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question Because the PC hardware OEMs are shoving it down our collective throats to accelerate the "acceptance" of 64-bit Windows operating systems. (sell more chips, sell more operating systems, sell more software, sell more...) Remember the days when we were dragged kicking an screaming from 16-bit to 32-bit Windows? It su*ked then and it su*ks now. Déjà vu. Resistance is futile. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:07 PM To: Bill Jourdain Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question Why is it everyone is going Win7 x64? I mean, I know the technical reasons that would drive somone to go to the 64 bit OS but it seems highly unlikely that there is such a demand for 4.6+ GB of memory for their pc operation? People are just buying twice the pan for their bucks but nevermind! Bill, sri to be dumping on your email, it wasn't you that was directed at, I have just been thru 3 days of trying to figure out why DXBase works on 50% of win7 x64 systems and am a bit crispy about it! Anyway, I looked at FTDI's website (who makes the chip that drives probably 90+% appears to have their base driver signed and ready for win7 x64. A 90+lot of companies will add to the base driver which turns it into a new driver which likely will not be signed nor necessarily work so caveat emptor but I think the chances of getting a USB->Serial adapter are not that bad! Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.dxbase.com www.abrohamnealsoftware.com www.sdrsystems.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Bill Jourdain wrote: Thanks. This looks like a great device. Unfortunately, it appears that it is not compatible with a 64 bit Vista or Win7 system as it does not have a 64 bit driver available. 73, Bill AB4BJ http://www.ab4bj.com -Original Message- From: Jim [mailto:pywac...@fuse.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:38 PM To: Bill Jourdain Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question Bill, the drivers are not signed but the keyspan 4 port USB adapter has worked with no issues under both xp & vista. I think the model number is 49wg. 73 de ke4wy jim Sent from my iPod On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:19 PM, "Bill Jourdain" wrote: > Anyone here had any luck with any USB to Serial converters that will > run (i.e., have a signed driver) under Win7 64 bit? I would like to > connect my LP-100A through DDUtil, but my only available com port is > taken up by my SteppIR controller. > > > > Thanks > > > > 73, > > > > Bill > > AB4BJ > > http://www.ab4bj.com > > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > Message delivered to pywac...@fuse.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to nealk...@gmail.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://ww
Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question
Here (in France), all new Windows machine are fitted out with the 64 bit version of 7. I think that you must order a special one with 32 bits if you need it. José F5JD Tim Ellison a écrit : "I believe the upgrade process is to be avoided if you can get away with it" This is the best advice for EVERYONE thinking about using Win7. Microsoft's "upgrades" form one OS to the next have never worked well. Ever. Even some MS-DOS upgrades were painful. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:51 PM To: Anthony Martin Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question Pure experience. I use it on my development machine and really like it (and I really do need every byte of the 12Gb of memory I have on it) but my customers are not enjoying it so much which is translating into a less than fun time for me. I have been a bit surprised how much trouble I had making programs that worked well under Vista x64 and went thru the "upgrade" procedure not work. I believe the upgrade process is to be avoided if you can get away with it. I also tried the PC Mover software from Laplink on a 32 bit laptop going from Vista 32 to Win7 32 and it was also a bit flakey, it didn't quite do the job so you had stuff that kinda worked and they went kaboom. Still recommend people to wait for that ever anticipated SP1 before making the jump. Those of us who write and support software kinda have to install it to support the brave souls who do like me and jump at the first opportunity! Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.dxbase.com www.abrohamnealsoftware.com www.sdrsystems.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Anthony Martin wrote: *But i and everyone I know has not had any of the dramas you describe with windows 7 x64.* *Are you talking from experiences or a generic rant?* * * * * *From:* Neal Campbell [mailto:nealk...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:35 PM *To:* Anthony Martin *Cc:* Bill Jourdain; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz *Subject:* Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question I completely understand it and the only real benefit our colleagues will see is that some of their programs and drivers won't work, especially because: 1. All drivers on a 64 bit system have to be signed 2; Normal 32 bit programs get the luxury of running in the WoW 32 emulator 3. Upgrading to a new MS OS is painful enough as it is, adding this is like having surgery without anesthesia and doing the cutting yourself! Oh, and given the appropriate memory, programs tested run approximately 5% faster when they can operate. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.dxbase.com www.abrohamnealsoftware.com www.sdrsystems.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Anthony Martin < anth...@consultexcel.com.au> wrote: Umm do you understand the difference between 32bit and 64 bit? There are more differences than just the ability for more RAM... http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/windowsxp/articles/581/1/The-diff erence -between-64-and-32-bit-processors<http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com /windowsxp/articles/581/1/The-difference%0A-between-64-and-32-bit-proc essors> Its like -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:07 PM To: Bill Jourdain Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question Why is it everyone is going Win7 x64? I mean, I know the technical reasons that would drive somone to go to the 64 bit OS but it seems highly unlikely that there is such a demand for 4.6+ GB of memory for their pc operation? People are just buying twice the pan for their bucks but nevermind! Bill, sri to be dumping on your email, it wasn't you that was directed at, I have just been thru 3 days of trying to figure out why DXBase works on 50% of win7 x64 systems and am a bit crispy about it! Anyway, I looked at FTDI's website (who makes the chip that drives probably 90+% appears to have their base driver signed and ready for win7 x64. 90+A lot of companies will add to the base driver which turns it into a new driver which likely will not be signed nor necessarily work so caveat emptor but I think the chances of getti
Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question
Yes, ive never actually bothered trying the "upgrades" - Fresh install every time! -Original Message- From: Tim Ellison [mailto:telli...@itsco.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:04 PM To: Neal Campbell; Anthony Martin Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: RE: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question "I believe the upgrade process is to be avoided if you can get away with it" This is the best advice for EVERYONE thinking about using Win7. Microsoft's "upgrades" form one OS to the next have never worked well. Ever. Even some MS-DOS upgrades were painful. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:51 PM To: Anthony Martin Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question Pure experience. I use it on my development machine and really like it (and I really do need every byte of the 12Gb of memory I have on it) but my customers are not enjoying it so much which is translating into a less than fun time for me. I have been a bit surprised how much trouble I had making programs that worked well under Vista x64 and went thru the "upgrade" procedure not work. I believe the upgrade process is to be avoided if you can get away with it. I also tried the PC Mover software from Laplink on a 32 bit laptop going from Vista 32 to Win7 32 and it was also a bit flakey, it didn't quite do the job so you had stuff that kinda worked and they went kaboom. Still recommend people to wait for that ever anticipated SP1 before making the jump. Those of us who write and support software kinda have to install it to support the brave souls who do like me and jump at the first opportunity! Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.dxbase.com www.abrohamnealsoftware.com www.sdrsystems.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Anthony Martin wrote: > *But i and everyone I know has not had any of the dramas you describe > with windows 7 x64.* > > *Are you talking from experiences or a generic rant?* > > * * > > * * > > > > *From:* Neal Campbell [mailto:nealk...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:35 PM > *To:* Anthony Martin > *Cc:* Bill Jourdain; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > *Subject:* Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question > > > > I completely understand it and the only real benefit our colleagues > will see is that some of their programs and drivers won't work, > especially > because: > 1. All drivers on a 64 bit system have to be signed 2; Normal 32 bit > programs get the luxury of running in the WoW 32 emulator 3. Upgrading > to a new MS OS is painful enough as it is, adding this is like having > surgery without anesthesia and doing the cutting yourself! > > Oh, and given the appropriate memory, programs tested run > approximately 5% faster when they can operate. > > > Neal Campbell > Abroham Neal Software > www.dxbase.com > www.abrohamnealsoftware.com > www.sdrsystems.com > (540) 242 0911 > > Amateur Radio: K3NC > Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ > DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal > forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ > > DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 > > > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Anthony Martin < > anth...@consultexcel.com.au> wrote: > > Umm do you understand the difference between 32bit and 64 bit? There > are more differences than just the ability for more RAM... > > > http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/windowsxp/articles/581/1/The-diff > erence > -between-64-and-32-bit-processors<http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com > /windowsxp/articles/581/1/The-difference%0A-between-64-and-32-bit-proc > essors> > > > Its like > > > > -Original Message- > From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz > [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell > > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:07 PM > To: Bill Jourdain > Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question > > Why is it everyone is going Win7 x64? I mean, I know the technical > reasons that would drive somone to go to the 64 bit OS but it seems > highly unlikely that there is such a demand for 4.6+ GB of memory for their pc operation? > People are just buying twice the pan for their bucks but nevermind! > > Bill, sri to be dumping on your email, it
Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question
"I believe the upgrade process is to be avoided if you can get away with it" This is the best advice for EVERYONE thinking about using Win7. Microsoft's "upgrades" form one OS to the next have never worked well. Ever. Even some MS-DOS upgrades were painful. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:51 PM To: Anthony Martin Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question Pure experience. I use it on my development machine and really like it (and I really do need every byte of the 12Gb of memory I have on it) but my customers are not enjoying it so much which is translating into a less than fun time for me. I have been a bit surprised how much trouble I had making programs that worked well under Vista x64 and went thru the "upgrade" procedure not work. I believe the upgrade process is to be avoided if you can get away with it. I also tried the PC Mover software from Laplink on a 32 bit laptop going from Vista 32 to Win7 32 and it was also a bit flakey, it didn't quite do the job so you had stuff that kinda worked and they went kaboom. Still recommend people to wait for that ever anticipated SP1 before making the jump. Those of us who write and support software kinda have to install it to support the brave souls who do like me and jump at the first opportunity! Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.dxbase.com www.abrohamnealsoftware.com www.sdrsystems.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Anthony Martin wrote: > *But i and everyone I know has not had any of the dramas you describe > with windows 7 x64.* > > *Are you talking from experiences or a generic rant?* > > * * > > * * > > > > *From:* Neal Campbell [mailto:nealk...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:35 PM > *To:* Anthony Martin > *Cc:* Bill Jourdain; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > *Subject:* Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question > > > > I completely understand it and the only real benefit our colleagues > will see is that some of their programs and drivers won't work, > especially > because: > 1. All drivers on a 64 bit system have to be signed 2; Normal 32 bit > programs get the luxury of running in the WoW 32 emulator 3. Upgrading > to a new MS OS is painful enough as it is, adding this is like having > surgery without anesthesia and doing the cutting yourself! > > Oh, and given the appropriate memory, programs tested run > approximately 5% faster when they can operate. > > > Neal Campbell > Abroham Neal Software > www.dxbase.com > www.abrohamnealsoftware.com > www.sdrsystems.com > (540) 242 0911 > > Amateur Radio: K3NC > Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ > DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal > forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ > > DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 > > > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Anthony Martin < > anth...@consultexcel.com.au> wrote: > > Umm do you understand the difference between 32bit and 64 bit? There > are more differences than just the ability for more RAM... > > > http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/windowsxp/articles/581/1/The-diff > erence > -between-64-and-32-bit-processors<http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com > /windowsxp/articles/581/1/The-difference%0A-between-64-and-32-bit-proc > essors> > > > Its like > > > > -----Original Message- > From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz > [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell > > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:07 PM > To: Bill Jourdain > Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question > > Why is it everyone is going Win7 x64? I mean, I know the technical > reasons that would drive somone to go to the 64 bit OS but it seems > highly unlikely that there is such a demand for 4.6+ GB of memory for their > pc operation? > People are just buying twice the pan for their bucks but nevermind! > > Bill, sri to be dumping on your email, it wasn't you that was directed > at, I have just been thru 3 days of trying to figure out why DXBase > works on 50% of win7 x64 systems and am a bit crispy about it! > > Anyway, I looked at FTDI's website (who makes the chip that drives > probably > 90+% appears to have their base
Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question
Generally I tend to agree with that - People SHOULD wait till SP1 for any new operating system. I am amazed at my 99% trouble free operation (from install to using all the programs I require) I really expected Windows7 to be a new level of sucking (a level up from vista) but I was quite surprised. After you give it a tweaking I found it faster than xp (by FAR).. I think it all depends on the level of the user, if they can diagnose and fix any issues win7 is the way to go, if not then stick with what you know! But well done Micro$oft for finally making a half decent O/S! It only took about 18 versions over 24 years to get it right.. (version info from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions#Past_version s ) -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:51 PM To: Anthony Martin Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question Pure experience. I use it on my development machine and really like it (and I really do need every byte of the 12Gb of memory I have on it) but my customers are not enjoying it so much which is translating into a less than fun time for me. I have been a bit surprised how much trouble I had making programs that worked well under Vista x64 and went thru the "upgrade" procedure not work. I believe the upgrade process is to be avoided if you can get away with it. I also tried the PC Mover software from Laplink on a 32 bit laptop going from Vista 32 to Win7 32 and it was also a bit flakey, it didn't quite do the job so you had stuff that kinda worked and they went kaboom. Still recommend people to wait for that ever anticipated SP1 before making the jump. Those of us who write and support software kinda have to install it to support the brave souls who do like me and jump at the first opportunity! Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.dxbase.com www.abrohamnealsoftware.com www.sdrsystems.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Anthony Martin wrote: > *But i and everyone I know has not had any of the dramas you describe > with windows 7 x64.* > > *Are you talking from experiences or a generic rant?* > > * * > > * * > > > > *From:* Neal Campbell [mailto:nealk...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:35 PM > *To:* Anthony Martin > *Cc:* Bill Jourdain; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > *Subject:* Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question > > > > I completely understand it and the only real benefit our colleagues will > see is that some of their programs and drivers won't work, especially > because: > 1. All drivers on a 64 bit system have to be signed > 2; Normal 32 bit programs get the luxury of running in the WoW 32 emulator > 3. Upgrading to a new MS OS is painful enough as it is, adding this is like > having surgery without anesthesia and doing the cutting yourself! > > Oh, and given the appropriate memory, programs tested run approximately 5% > faster when they can operate. > > > Neal Campbell > Abroham Neal Software > www.dxbase.com > www.abrohamnealsoftware.com > www.sdrsystems.com > (540) 242 0911 > > Amateur Radio: K3NC > Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ > DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com > Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ > > DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 > > > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Anthony Martin < > anth...@consultexcel.com.au> wrote: > > Umm do you understand the difference between 32bit and 64 bit? There are > more differences than just the ability for more RAM... > > > http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/windowsxp/articles/581/1/The-difference > -between-64-and-32-bit-processors<http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/windo wsxp/articles/581/1/The-difference%0A-between-64-and-32-bit-processors> > > > Its like > > > > -Original Message- > From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz > [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell > > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:07 PM > To: Bill Jourdain > Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question > > Why is it everyone is going Win7 x64? I mean, I know the technical reasons > that would drive somone to go to the 64 bit OS but it seems highly unlikely > that there is such a demand for 4.6+ GB of memory for their pc operation? > People are just buying twice the pan for the
Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question
Pure experience. I use it on my development machine and really like it (and I really do need every byte of the 12Gb of memory I have on it) but my customers are not enjoying it so much which is translating into a less than fun time for me. I have been a bit surprised how much trouble I had making programs that worked well under Vista x64 and went thru the "upgrade" procedure not work. I believe the upgrade process is to be avoided if you can get away with it. I also tried the PC Mover software from Laplink on a 32 bit laptop going from Vista 32 to Win7 32 and it was also a bit flakey, it didn't quite do the job so you had stuff that kinda worked and they went kaboom. Still recommend people to wait for that ever anticipated SP1 before making the jump. Those of us who write and support software kinda have to install it to support the brave souls who do like me and jump at the first opportunity! Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.dxbase.com www.abrohamnealsoftware.com www.sdrsystems.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Anthony Martin wrote: > *But i and everyone I know has not had any of the dramas you describe > with windows 7 x64.* > > *Are you talking from experiences or a generic rant?* > > * * > > * * > > > > *From:* Neal Campbell [mailto:nealk...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:35 PM > *To:* Anthony Martin > *Cc:* Bill Jourdain; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > *Subject:* Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question > > > > I completely understand it and the only real benefit our colleagues will > see is that some of their programs and drivers won't work, especially > because: > 1. All drivers on a 64 bit system have to be signed > 2; Normal 32 bit programs get the luxury of running in the WoW 32 emulator > 3. Upgrading to a new MS OS is painful enough as it is, adding this is like > having surgery without anesthesia and doing the cutting yourself! > > Oh, and given the appropriate memory, programs tested run approximately 5% > faster when they can operate. > > > Neal Campbell > Abroham Neal Software > www.dxbase.com > www.abrohamnealsoftware.com > www.sdrsystems.com > (540) 242 0911 > > Amateur Radio: K3NC > Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ > DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com > Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ > > DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 > > > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Anthony Martin < > anth...@consultexcel.com.au> wrote: > > Umm do you understand the difference between 32bit and 64 bit? There are > more differences than just the ability for more RAM... > > > http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/windowsxp/articles/581/1/The-difference > -between-64-and-32-bit-processors<http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/windowsxp/articles/581/1/The-difference%0A-between-64-and-32-bit-processors> > > > Its like > > > > -Original Message- > From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz > [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell > > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:07 PM > To: Bill Jourdain > Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question > > Why is it everyone is going Win7 x64? I mean, I know the technical reasons > that would drive somone to go to the 64 bit OS but it seems highly unlikely > that there is such a demand for 4.6+ GB of memory for their pc operation? > People are just buying twice the pan for their bucks but nevermind! > > Bill, sri to be dumping on your email, it wasn't you that was directed at, > I > have just been thru 3 days of trying to figure out why DXBase works on 50% > of win7 x64 systems and am a bit crispy about it! > > Anyway, I looked at FTDI's website (who makes the chip that drives probably > 90+% appears to have their base driver signed and ready for win7 x64. A lot > of companies will add to the base driver which turns it into a new driver > which likely will not be signed nor necessarily work so caveat emptor but I > think the chances of getting a USB->Serial adapter are not that bad! > > > Neal Campbell > Abroham Neal Software > www.dxbase.com > www.abrohamnealsoftware.com > www.sdrsystems.com > (540) 242 0911 > > Amateur Radio: K3NC > Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ > DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com > Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ >
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Dont get me wrong, XP x64 and vista x64 were painful.. Windows 7 X64 different kettle of fish from my (and my friends) experiences. Anthony Martin | IT Manager Drouin Mitre 10 | 280 Princes Way, Drouin VIC 3818 Tel: 03 5625 2955| Fax: 03 5625 4699 Email: anth...@consultexcel.com.au -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:35 PM To: Anthony Martin Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question I completely understand it and the only real benefit our colleagues will see is that some of their programs and drivers won't work, especially because: 1. All drivers on a 64 bit system have to be signed 2; Normal 32 bit programs get the luxury of running in the WoW 32 emulator 3. Upgrading to a new MS OS is painful enough as it is, adding this is like having surgery without anesthesia and doing the cutting yourself! Oh, and given the appropriate memory, programs tested run approximately 5% faster when they can operate. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.dxbase.com www.abrohamnealsoftware.com www.sdrsystems.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Anthony Martin wrote: > Umm do you understand the difference between 32bit and 64 bit? There are > more differences than just the ability for more RAM... > > > http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/windowsxp/articles/581/1/The-difference > -between-64-and-32-bit-processors<http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/windo wsxp/articles/581/1/The-difference%0A-between-64-and-32-bit-processors> > > > Its like > > > -Original Message- > From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz > [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:07 PM > To: Bill Jourdain > Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question > > Why is it everyone is going Win7 x64? I mean, I know the technical reasons > that would drive somone to go to the 64 bit OS but it seems highly unlikely > that there is such a demand for 4.6+ GB of memory for their pc operation? > People are just buying twice the pan for their bucks but nevermind! > > Bill, sri to be dumping on your email, it wasn't you that was directed at, > I > have just been thru 3 days of trying to figure out why DXBase works on 50% > of win7 x64 systems and am a bit crispy about it! > > Anyway, I looked at FTDI's website (who makes the chip that drives probably > 90+% appears to have their base driver signed and ready for win7 x64. A lot > of companies will add to the base driver which turns it into a new driver > which likely will not be signed nor necessarily work so caveat emptor but I > think the chances of getting a USB->Serial adapter are not that bad! > > > Neal Campbell > Abroham Neal Software > www.dxbase.com > www.abrohamnealsoftware.com > www.sdrsystems.com > (540) 242 0911 > > Amateur Radio: K3NC > Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ > DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com > Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ > > DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Bill Jourdain wrote: > > > Thanks. This looks like a great device. Unfortunately, it appears that > it > > is not compatible with a 64 bit Vista or Win7 system as it does not have > a > > 64 bit driver available. > > > > 73, > > > > Bill > > AB4BJ > > http://www.ab4bj.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jim [mailto:pywac...@fuse.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:38 PM > > To: Bill Jourdain > > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question > > > > Bill, the drivers are not signed but the keyspan 4 port USB adapter > > has worked with no issues under both xp & vista. I think the model > > number is 49wg. > > > > 73 de ke4wy jim > > > > Sent from my iPod > > > > On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:19 PM, "Bill Jourdain" wrote: > > > > > Anyone here had any luck with any USB to Serial converters that will > > > run > > > (i.e., have a signed driver) under Win7 64 bit? I would like to > > > connect my > > > LP-100A through DDUtil, but my only available com port is taken up > > > by my > > > SteppIR controller. >
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But i and everyone I know has not had any of the dramas you describe with windows 7 x64. Are you talking from experiences or a generic rant? From: Neal Campbell [mailto:nealk...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:35 PM To: Anthony Martin Cc: Bill Jourdain; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question I completely understand it and the only real benefit our colleagues will see is that some of their programs and drivers won't work, especially because: 1. All drivers on a 64 bit system have to be signed 2; Normal 32 bit programs get the luxury of running in the WoW 32 emulator 3. Upgrading to a new MS OS is painful enough as it is, adding this is like having surgery without anesthesia and doing the cutting yourself! Oh, and given the appropriate memory, programs tested run approximately 5% faster when they can operate. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.dxbase.com www.abrohamnealsoftware.com www.sdrsystems.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Anthony Martin wrote: Umm do you understand the difference between 32bit and 64 bit? There are more differences than just the ability for more RAM... http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/windowsxp/articles/581/1/The-difference <http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/windowsxp/articles/581/1/The-differenc e%0A-between-64-and-32-bit-processors> -between-64-and-32-bit-processors Its like -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:07 PM To: Bill Jourdain Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question Why is it everyone is going Win7 x64? I mean, I know the technical reasons that would drive somone to go to the 64 bit OS but it seems highly unlikely that there is such a demand for 4.6+ GB of memory for their pc operation? People are just buying twice the pan for their bucks but nevermind! Bill, sri to be dumping on your email, it wasn't you that was directed at, I have just been thru 3 days of trying to figure out why DXBase works on 50% of win7 x64 systems and am a bit crispy about it! Anyway, I looked at FTDI's website (who makes the chip that drives probably 90+% appears to have their base driver signed and ready for win7 x64. A lot of companies will add to the base driver which turns it into a new driver which likely will not be signed nor necessarily work so caveat emptor but I think the chances of getting a USB->Serial adapter are not that bad! Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.dxbase.com www.abrohamnealsoftware.com www.sdrsystems.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Bill Jourdain wrote: > Thanks. This looks like a great device. Unfortunately, it appears that it > is not compatible with a 64 bit Vista or Win7 system as it does not have a > 64 bit driver available. > > 73, > > Bill > AB4BJ > http://www.ab4bj.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Jim [mailto:pywac...@fuse.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:38 PM > To: Bill Jourdain > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question > > Bill, the drivers are not signed but the keyspan 4 port USB adapter > has worked with no issues under both xp & vista. I think the model > number is 49wg. > > 73 de ke4wy jim > > Sent from my iPod > > On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:19 PM, "Bill Jourdain" wrote: > > > Anyone here had any luck with any USB to Serial converters that will > > run > > (i.e., have a signed driver) under Win7 64 bit? I would like to > > connect my > > LP-100A through DDUtil, but my only available com port is taken up > > by my > > SteppIR controller. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > 73, > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > AB4BJ > > > > http://www.ab4bj.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > Message delivered to pywac...@fus
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I completely understand it and the only real benefit our colleagues will see is that some of their programs and drivers won't work, especially because: 1. All drivers on a 64 bit system have to be signed 2; Normal 32 bit programs get the luxury of running in the WoW 32 emulator 3. Upgrading to a new MS OS is painful enough as it is, adding this is like having surgery without anesthesia and doing the cutting yourself! Oh, and given the appropriate memory, programs tested run approximately 5% faster when they can operate. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.dxbase.com www.abrohamnealsoftware.com www.sdrsystems.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Anthony Martin wrote: > Umm do you understand the difference between 32bit and 64 bit? There are > more differences than just the ability for more RAM... > > > http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/windowsxp/articles/581/1/The-difference > -between-64-and-32-bit-processors<http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/windowsxp/articles/581/1/The-difference%0A-between-64-and-32-bit-processors> > > > Its like > > > -Original Message- > From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz > [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:07 PM > To: Bill Jourdain > Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question > > Why is it everyone is going Win7 x64? I mean, I know the technical reasons > that would drive somone to go to the 64 bit OS but it seems highly unlikely > that there is such a demand for 4.6+ GB of memory for their pc operation? > People are just buying twice the pan for their bucks but nevermind! > > Bill, sri to be dumping on your email, it wasn't you that was directed at, > I > have just been thru 3 days of trying to figure out why DXBase works on 50% > of win7 x64 systems and am a bit crispy about it! > > Anyway, I looked at FTDI's website (who makes the chip that drives probably > 90+% appears to have their base driver signed and ready for win7 x64. A lot > of companies will add to the base driver which turns it into a new driver > which likely will not be signed nor necessarily work so caveat emptor but I > think the chances of getting a USB->Serial adapter are not that bad! > > > Neal Campbell > Abroham Neal Software > www.dxbase.com > www.abrohamnealsoftware.com > www.sdrsystems.com > (540) 242 0911 > > Amateur Radio: K3NC > Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ > DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com > Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ > > DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Bill Jourdain wrote: > > > Thanks. This looks like a great device. Unfortunately, it appears that > it > > is not compatible with a 64 bit Vista or Win7 system as it does not have > a > > 64 bit driver available. > > > > 73, > > > > Bill > > AB4BJ > > http://www.ab4bj.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jim [mailto:pywac...@fuse.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:38 PM > > To: Bill Jourdain > > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question > > > > Bill, the drivers are not signed but the keyspan 4 port USB adapter > > has worked with no issues under both xp & vista. I think the model > > number is 49wg. > > > > 73 de ke4wy jim > > > > Sent from my iPod > > > > On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:19 PM, "Bill Jourdain" wrote: > > > > > Anyone here had any luck with any USB to Serial converters that will > > > run > > > (i.e., have a signed driver) under Win7 64 bit? I would like to > > > connect my > > > LP-100A through DDUtil, but my only available com port is taken up > > > by my > > > SteppIR controller. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > 73, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > AB4BJ > > > > > > http://www.ab4bj.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > > > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > > > Archives: http://www
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No offense taken. You are correct that the Win7 64 bit system I put together is more than I need at this point, but I decided to get as close to the "bleeding edge" as possible to avoid (I hope) another system upgrade for a while. I must say, however, that this system outperforms my expectations (both from the hardware and OS standpoint) and the Flex has worked flawlessly with sub-190 latency, so I am very happy with my choice. This is probably high praise when you consider that I use a Mac and OS X for most of my computing needs and have the PC for the ham radio hobby. I have also read tonight that the FTDI chips will work with a Prolific PL-2303 64 bit driver that some have reported performs very well. A little while ago I found some references to an iogear converter (GUC23A) with 64 bit drivers that I may try. I hope iogear did not add to the base chipset as you mention. I'll have to do some more reading about that issue. Thanks again for you post. 73, Bill AB4BJ http://www.ab4bj.com Original Message: Why is it everyone is going Win7 x64? I mean, I know the technical reasons that would drive somone to go to the 64 bit OS but it seems highly unlikely that there is such a demand for 4.6+ GB of memory for their pc operation? People are just buying twice the pan for their bucks but nevermind! Bill, sri to be dumping on your email, it wasn't you that was directed at, I have just been thru 3 days of trying to figure out why DXBase works on 50% of win7 x64 systems and am a bit crispy about it! Anyway, I looked at FTDI's website (who makes the chip that drives probably 90+% appears to have their base driver signed and ready for win7 x64. A lot of companies will add to the base driver which turns it into a new driver which likely will not be signed nor necessarily work so caveat emptor but I think the chances of getting a USB->Serial adapter are not that bad! ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit that's probably a better link, the first one was from 2005! -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:07 PM To: Bill Jourdain Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question Why is it everyone is going Win7 x64? I mean, I know the technical reasons that would drive somone to go to the 64 bit OS but it seems highly unlikely that there is such a demand for 4.6+ GB of memory for their pc operation? People are just buying twice the pan for their bucks but nevermind! Bill, sri to be dumping on your email, it wasn't you that was directed at, I have just been thru 3 days of trying to figure out why DXBase works on 50% of win7 x64 systems and am a bit crispy about it! Anyway, I looked at FTDI's website (who makes the chip that drives probably 90+% appears to have their base driver signed and ready for win7 x64. A lot of companies will add to the base driver which turns it into a new driver which likely will not be signed nor necessarily work so caveat emptor but I think the chances of getting a USB->Serial adapter are not that bad! Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.dxbase.com www.abrohamnealsoftware.com www.sdrsystems.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Bill Jourdain wrote: > Thanks. This looks like a great device. Unfortunately, it appears that it > is not compatible with a 64 bit Vista or Win7 system as it does not have a > 64 bit driver available. > > 73, > > Bill > AB4BJ > http://www.ab4bj.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Jim [mailto:pywac...@fuse.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:38 PM > To: Bill Jourdain > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question > > Bill, the drivers are not signed but the keyspan 4 port USB adapter > has worked with no issues under both xp & vista. I think the model > number is 49wg. > > 73 de ke4wy jim > > Sent from my iPod > > On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:19 PM, "Bill Jourdain" wrote: > > > Anyone here had any luck with any USB to Serial converters that will > > run > > (i.e., have a signed driver) under Win7 64 bit? I would like to > > connect my > > LP-100A through DDUtil, but my only available com port is taken up > > by my > > SteppIR controller. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > 73, > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > AB4BJ > > > > http://www.ab4bj.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > Message delivered to pywac...@fuse.net > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > Message delivered to nealk...@gmail.com > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to anth...@consultexcel.com.au ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question
Umm do you understand the difference between 32bit and 64 bit? There are more differences than just the ability for more RAM... http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/windowsxp/articles/581/1/The-difference -between-64-and-32-bit-processors Its like -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:07 PM To: Bill Jourdain Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question Why is it everyone is going Win7 x64? I mean, I know the technical reasons that would drive somone to go to the 64 bit OS but it seems highly unlikely that there is such a demand for 4.6+ GB of memory for their pc operation? People are just buying twice the pan for their bucks but nevermind! Bill, sri to be dumping on your email, it wasn't you that was directed at, I have just been thru 3 days of trying to figure out why DXBase works on 50% of win7 x64 systems and am a bit crispy about it! Anyway, I looked at FTDI's website (who makes the chip that drives probably 90+% appears to have their base driver signed and ready for win7 x64. A lot of companies will add to the base driver which turns it into a new driver which likely will not be signed nor necessarily work so caveat emptor but I think the chances of getting a USB->Serial adapter are not that bad! Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.dxbase.com www.abrohamnealsoftware.com www.sdrsystems.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Bill Jourdain wrote: > Thanks. This looks like a great device. Unfortunately, it appears that it > is not compatible with a 64 bit Vista or Win7 system as it does not have a > 64 bit driver available. > > 73, > > Bill > AB4BJ > http://www.ab4bj.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Jim [mailto:pywac...@fuse.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:38 PM > To: Bill Jourdain > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question > > Bill, the drivers are not signed but the keyspan 4 port USB adapter > has worked with no issues under both xp & vista. I think the model > number is 49wg. > > 73 de ke4wy jim > > Sent from my iPod > > On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:19 PM, "Bill Jourdain" wrote: > > > Anyone here had any luck with any USB to Serial converters that will > > run > > (i.e., have a signed driver) under Win7 64 bit? I would like to > > connect my > > LP-100A through DDUtil, but my only available com port is taken up > > by my > > SteppIR controller. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > 73, > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > AB4BJ > > > > http://www.ab4bj.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > Message delivered to pywac...@fuse.net > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > Message delivered to nealk...@gmail.com > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to anth...@consultexcel.com.au ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question
Because the PC hardware OEMs are shoving it down our collective throats to accelerate the "acceptance" of 64-bit Windows operating systems. (sell more chips, sell more operating systems, sell more software, sell more...) Remember the days when we were dragged kicking an screaming from 16-bit to 32-bit Windows? It su*ked then and it su*ks now. Déjà vu. Resistance is futile. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:07 PM To: Bill Jourdain Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question Why is it everyone is going Win7 x64? I mean, I know the technical reasons that would drive somone to go to the 64 bit OS but it seems highly unlikely that there is such a demand for 4.6+ GB of memory for their pc operation? People are just buying twice the pan for their bucks but nevermind! Bill, sri to be dumping on your email, it wasn't you that was directed at, I have just been thru 3 days of trying to figure out why DXBase works on 50% of win7 x64 systems and am a bit crispy about it! Anyway, I looked at FTDI's website (who makes the chip that drives probably 90+% appears to have their base driver signed and ready for win7 x64. A 90+lot of companies will add to the base driver which turns it into a new driver which likely will not be signed nor necessarily work so caveat emptor but I think the chances of getting a USB->Serial adapter are not that bad! Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.dxbase.com www.abrohamnealsoftware.com www.sdrsystems.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Bill Jourdain wrote: > Thanks. This looks like a great device. Unfortunately, it appears > that it is not compatible with a 64 bit Vista or Win7 system as it > does not have a > 64 bit driver available. > > 73, > > Bill > AB4BJ > http://www.ab4bj.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Jim [mailto:pywac...@fuse.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:38 PM > To: Bill Jourdain > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question > > Bill, the drivers are not signed but the keyspan 4 port USB adapter > has worked with no issues under both xp & vista. I think the model > number is 49wg. > > 73 de ke4wy jim > > Sent from my iPod > > On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:19 PM, "Bill Jourdain" wrote: > > > Anyone here had any luck with any USB to Serial converters that will > > run (i.e., have a signed driver) under Win7 64 bit? I would like to > > connect my LP-100A through DDUtil, but my only available com port is > > taken up by my SteppIR controller. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > 73, > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > AB4BJ > > > > http://www.ab4bj.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > Message delivered to pywac...@fuse.net > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > Message delivered to nealk...@gmail.com > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question
Anyone here had any luck with any USB to Serial converters that will run (i.e., have a signed driver) under Win7 64 bit? I would like to connect my LP-100A through DDUtil, but my only available com port is taken up by my SteppIR controller. Thanks 73, Bill AB4BJ http://www.ab4bj.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question
Thanks. This looks like a great device. Unfortunately, it appears that it is not compatible with a 64 bit Vista or Win7 system as it does not have a 64 bit driver available. 73, Bill AB4BJ http://www.ab4bj.com -Original Message- From: Jim [mailto:pywac...@fuse.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:38 PM To: Bill Jourdain Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question Bill, the drivers are not signed but the keyspan 4 port USB adapter has worked with no issues under both xp & vista. I think the model number is 49wg. 73 de ke4wy jim Sent from my iPod On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:19 PM, "Bill Jourdain" wrote: > Anyone here had any luck with any USB to Serial converters that will > run > (i.e., have a signed driver) under Win7 64 bit? I would like to > connect my > LP-100A through DDUtil, but my only available com port is taken up > by my > SteppIR controller. > > > > Thanks > > > > 73, > > > > Bill > > AB4BJ > > http://www.ab4bj.com > > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > Message delivered to pywac...@fuse.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question
Why is it everyone is going Win7 x64? I mean, I know the technical reasons that would drive somone to go to the 64 bit OS but it seems highly unlikely that there is such a demand for 4.6+ GB of memory for their pc operation? People are just buying twice the pan for their bucks but nevermind! Bill, sri to be dumping on your email, it wasn't you that was directed at, I have just been thru 3 days of trying to figure out why DXBase works on 50% of win7 x64 systems and am a bit crispy about it! Anyway, I looked at FTDI's website (who makes the chip that drives probably 90+% appears to have their base driver signed and ready for win7 x64. A lot of companies will add to the base driver which turns it into a new driver which likely will not be signed nor necessarily work so caveat emptor but I think the chances of getting a USB->Serial adapter are not that bad! Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.dxbase.com www.abrohamnealsoftware.com www.sdrsystems.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Bill Jourdain wrote: > Thanks. This looks like a great device. Unfortunately, it appears that it > is not compatible with a 64 bit Vista or Win7 system as it does not have a > 64 bit driver available. > > 73, > > Bill > AB4BJ > http://www.ab4bj.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Jim [mailto:pywac...@fuse.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:38 PM > To: Bill Jourdain > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] USB to Serial Converter Question > > Bill, the drivers are not signed but the keyspan 4 port USB adapter > has worked with no issues under both xp & vista. I think the model > number is 49wg. > > 73 de ke4wy jim > > Sent from my iPod > > On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:19 PM, "Bill Jourdain" wrote: > > > Anyone here had any luck with any USB to Serial converters that will > > run > > (i.e., have a signed driver) under Win7 64 bit? I would like to > > connect my > > LP-100A through DDUtil, but my only available com port is taken up > > by my > > SteppIR controller. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > 73, > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > AB4BJ > > > > http://www.ab4bj.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > Message delivered to pywac...@fuse.net > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > Message delivered to nealk...@gmail.com > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
