Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting
Dan, The transfer was easy, the software is free, there is a ton of QSLing options that work. Just down load and try it. George W2GS -Original Message- From: K0DAN [mailto:k0...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:46 PM To: dan edwards; George Steube Cc: flex list Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting I've been running LOGic with hardware radios for a l-o-n-g time, pretty much trouble-free and frankly can't complain about the product or support. OK, so some have reported troubles interfacing with FLEX, others not. Those of you who have switched from LOGic to DXLab or something else, how bad was the data transfer, esp as regards reports, awards, QSLO info, eQSL, LOTW, etc., etc., all that background stuff which you have accumulated for years? Surely all this stuff doesn't just port overor does it 73 dan k0dan - Original Message - From: dan edwards w...@att.net To: George Steube a...@bellsouth.net Cc: flex list flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting i second that motion dxLab work GREAT dan, w5xz --- On Fri, 12/11/09, George Steube a...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: George Steube a...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting To: K0DAN k0...@comcast.net, FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 12:00 AM I did, but Logic8 kept locking up, I repeatedly tried to get the developer to fix the problem with no luck. I changed to DXLab suite and have not looked back. You will not get better support on any product than Dave provides with DXLab. George W2GS -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz]on Behalf Of K0DAN Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:35 PM To: FlexRadio reflector Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Speaking of logging software, have any FLEX users out there interfaced LOGic to their SDR radios? 73 dan k0dan - Original Message - From: Rudy Bakalov r_baka...@yahoo.com To: FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz; Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Fair enough. The issue with the logger is the ease of configuration. Many hams are intimidated by messing with CAT commands. Also, there is a much higher risk of an error compared to a visual interface that clearly defines the configuration. Rudy N2WQ --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com wrote: From: Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com Subject: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting To: FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 1:00 PM On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Rudy Bakalov r_baka...@yahoo.com wrote: It appears that the logger can in fact re-program the antenna selection on the fly using the set of available CAT commands. But this is extremely inefficient as the logger will have to send all the CAT commands just to turn the TX on, before even sending the actual contest message. It is much better to extend the existing PowerSDR software with a SO2R mode where antenna and relay outputs are per VFO rather than band. What you have described, i.e. sending all the commands to change the antenna settings before initiating the transmit, is both necessary and sufficient to meet all cases, present and future. If your data link is fast there will be no appreciable delay. At 19200 bps a 20 byte command sequence is transmitted in 10.4 ms. If it is running on a virtual serial port where the speed is limited only by the context switching time and processing delay, it would be much faster. The only time it might be an issue is if someone is trying to run full QSK on CW and even then, not too much. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to r_baka...@yahoo.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to k0...@comcast.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered
Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting
I was also a long time user of Logic. Started back with Logic 1 or 2 (can't remember). I think Logic is an excellent logging program. If it were not for the issues ( I had) with interfacing the Flex with it, I would likely still be using it. Now that being said, because of the issues I gave DXLabs a try. I made the conversion about 3 years ago and have not looked back. All went smooth. I did lose some of my QSO notes from Logic in the transfer, but made no special effort to save them. There are some adif data massaging programs that could be used to maybe prevent that from happening. I made the transition knowing that I could always go back to Logic and put more effort into resolving the issue with the flex interfacing. When I first made the change to DxLabs I had a bit of switchers remorse, but that lasted about 2 days! Then I was hooked. The bottom line is that DX Labs is an amazing program. ( and it's free - with incredible product support) Regardless of what radio I was using, If I knew what I know now about this program I would have made the switch. I'm a happy camper Mark NU8Z -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of George Steube Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:28 AM To: K0DAN; dan edwards Cc: flex list Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Dan, The transfer was easy, the software is free, there is a ton of QSLing options that work. Just down load and try it. George W2GS -Original Message- From: K0DAN [mailto:k0...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:46 PM To: dan edwards; George Steube Cc: flex list Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting I've been running LOGic with hardware radios for a l-o-n-g time, pretty much trouble-free and frankly can't complain about the product or support. OK, so some have reported troubles interfacing with FLEX, others not. Those of you who have switched from LOGic to DXLab or something else, how bad was the data transfer, esp as regards reports, awards, QSLO info, eQSL, LOTW, etc., etc., all that background stuff which you have accumulated for years? Surely all this stuff doesn't just port overor does it 73 dan k0dan - Original Message - From: dan edwards w...@att.net To: George Steube a...@bellsouth.net Cc: flex list flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting i second that motion dxLab work GREAT dan, w5xz --- On Fri, 12/11/09, George Steube a...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: George Steube a...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting To: K0DAN k0...@comcast.net, FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 12:00 AM I did, but Logic8 kept locking up, I repeatedly tried to get the developer to fix the problem with no luck. I changed to DXLab suite and have not looked back. You will not get better support on any product than Dave provides with DXLab. George W2GS -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz]on Behalf Of K0DAN Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:35 PM To: FlexRadio reflector Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Speaking of logging software, have any FLEX users out there interfaced LOGic to their SDR radios? 73 dan k0dan - Original Message - From: Rudy Bakalov r_baka...@yahoo.com To: FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz; Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Fair enough. The issue with the logger is the ease of configuration. Many hams are intimidated by messing with CAT commands. Also, there is a much higher risk of an error compared to a visual interface that clearly defines the configuration. Rudy N2WQ --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com wrote: From: Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com Subject: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting To: FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 1:00 PM On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Rudy Bakalov r_baka...@yahoo.com wrote: It appears that the logger can in fact re-program the antenna selection on the fly using the set of available CAT commands. But this is extremely inefficient as the logger will have to send all the CAT commands just to turn the TX on, before even sending the actual contest message. It is much better to extend the existing PowerSDR software with a SO2R mode where antenna and relay outputs are per VFO rather than band. What you have described, i.e. sending all the commands to change the antenna settings before initiating the transmit, is both necessary and sufficient to meet all cases, present and future. If your data link is fast there will be no appreciable delay. At 19200 bps a 20 byte command sequence
Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting
I appreciate all the FLEX/LOGic/logger feedback. I may have failed to mention I am not yet a FLEX owner, kind of thinking the conversion will be sometime 1Q10, but I have been reading the reflectors the past few months and am getting a feel for what to expect. Am kinda hot to trot but also hoping for a simple implementation process, shack remodeling, and interface with existing subsystems, logging, etc. FLEX + LOGic users who have emailed me seem to be about 50/50 that LOGic did/didn't make the transition. My druthers are that I don't change but it is a reassuring to know that there's a bunch of people who found a workab le solution (and free!) to their problems. Thanks for the info folks...hope to be on the air with y'all soon! 73 dan k0dan - Original Message - From: NU8Z n...@comcast.net To: 'George Steube' a...@bellsouth.net; 'K0DAN' k0...@comcast.net; 'dan edwards' w...@att.net Cc: 'flex list' flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting I was also a long time user of Logic. Started back with Logic 1 or 2 (can't remember). I think Logic is an excellent logging program. If it were not for the issues ( I had) with interfacing the Flex with it, I would likely still be using it. Now that being said, because of the issues I gave DXLabs a try. I made the conversion about 3 years ago and have not looked back. All went smooth. I did lose some of my QSO notes from Logic in the transfer, but made no special effort to save them. There are some adif data massaging programs that could be used to maybe prevent that from happening. I made the transition knowing that I could always go back to Logic and put more effort into resolving the issue with the flex interfacing. When I first made the change to DxLabs I had a bit of switchers remorse, but that lasted about 2 days! Then I was hooked. The bottom line is that DX Labs is an amazing program. ( and it's free - with incredible product support) Regardless of what radio I was using, If I knew what I know now about this program I would have made the switch. I'm a happy camper Mark NU8Z -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of George Steube Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:28 AM To: K0DAN; dan edwards Cc: flex list Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Dan, The transfer was easy, the software is free, there is a ton of QSLing options that work. Just down load and try it. George W2GS -Original Message- From: K0DAN [mailto:k0...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:46 PM To: dan edwards; George Steube Cc: flex list Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting I've been running LOGic with hardware radios for a l-o-n-g time, pretty much trouble-free and frankly can't complain about the product or support. OK, so some have reported troubles interfacing with FLEX, others not. Those of you who have switched from LOGic to DXLab or something else, how bad was the data transfer, esp as regards reports, awards, QSLO info, eQSL, LOTW, etc., etc., all that background stuff which you have accumulated for years? Surely all this stuff doesn't just port overor does it 73 dan k0dan - Original Message - From: dan edwards w...@att.net To: George Steube a...@bellsouth.net Cc: flex list flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting i second that motion dxLab work GREAT dan, w5xz --- On Fri, 12/11/09, George Steube a...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: George Steube a...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting To: K0DAN k0...@comcast.net, FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 12:00 AM I did, but Logic8 kept locking up, I repeatedly tried to get the developer to fix the problem with no luck. I changed to DXLab suite and have not looked back. You will not get better support on any product than Dave provides with DXLab. George W2GS -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz]on Behalf Of K0DAN Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:35 PM To: FlexRadio reflector Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Speaking of logging software, have any FLEX users out there interfaced LOGic to their SDR radios? 73 dan k0dan - Original Message - From: Rudy Bakalov r_baka...@yahoo.com To: FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz; Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Fair enough. The issue with the logger is the ease of configuration. Many hams are intimidated by messing with CAT commands. Also, there is a much higher risk of an error compared to a visual interface that clearly defines the configuration. Rudy N2WQ
Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting
Excuse my shameless plug but as the owner of DXBase, I can guarantee you that DXBase will be 100% compatible with the expanded CAT cormmand set with the next major release which will be sometime next year. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:16 PM, K0DAN k0...@comcast.net wrote: I appreciate all the FLEX/LOGic/logger feedback. I may have failed to mention I am not yet a FLEX owner, kind of thinking the conversion will be sometime 1Q10, but I have been reading the reflectors the past few months and am getting a feel for what to expect. Am kinda hot to trot but also hoping for a simple implementation process, shack remodeling, and interface with existing subsystems, logging, etc. FLEX + LOGic users who have emailed me seem to be about 50/50 that LOGic did/didn't make the transition. My druthers are that I don't change but it is a reassuring to know that there's a bunch of people who found a workab le solution (and free!) to their problems. Thanks for the info folks...hope to be on the air with y'all soon! 73 dan k0dan - Original Message - From: NU8Z n...@comcast.net To: 'George Steube' a...@bellsouth.net; 'K0DAN' k0...@comcast.net; 'dan edwards' w...@att.net Cc: 'flex list' flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting I was also a long time user of Logic. Started back with Logic 1 or 2 (can't remember). I think Logic is an excellent logging program. If it were not for the issues ( I had) with interfacing the Flex with it, I would likely still be using it. Now that being said, because of the issues I gave DXLabs a try. I made the conversion about 3 years ago and have not looked back. All went smooth. I did lose some of my QSO notes from Logic in the transfer, but made no special effort to save them. There are some adif data massaging programs that could be used to maybe prevent that from happening. I made the transition knowing that I could always go back to Logic and put more effort into resolving the issue with the flex interfacing. When I first made the change to DxLabs I had a bit of switchers remorse, but that lasted about 2 days! Then I was hooked. The bottom line is that DX Labs is an amazing program. ( and it's free - with incredible product support) Regardless of what radio I was using, If I knew what I know now about this program I would have made the switch. I'm a happy camper Mark NU8Z -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of George Steube Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:28 AM To: K0DAN; dan edwards Cc: flex list Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Dan, The transfer was easy, the software is free, there is a ton of QSLing options that work. Just down load and try it. George W2GS -Original Message- From: K0DAN [mailto:k0...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:46 PM To: dan edwards; George Steube Cc: flex list Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting I've been running LOGic with hardware radios for a l-o-n-g time, pretty much trouble-free and frankly can't complain about the product or support. OK, so some have reported troubles interfacing with FLEX, others not. Those of you who have switched from LOGic to DXLab or something else, how bad was the data transfer, esp as regards reports, awards, QSLO info, eQSL, LOTW, etc., etc., all that background stuff which you have accumulated for years? Surely all this stuff doesn't just port overor does it 73 dan k0dan - Original Message - From: dan edwards w...@att.net To: George Steube a...@bellsouth.net Cc: flex list flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting i second that motion dxLab work GREAT dan, w5xz --- On Fri, 12/11/09, George Steube a...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: George Steube a...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting To: K0DAN k0...@comcast.net, FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 12:00 AM I did, but Logic8 kept locking up, I repeatedly tried to get the developer to fix the problem with no luck. I changed to DXLab suite and have not looked back. You will not get better support on any product than Dave provides with DXLab. George W2GS -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz]on Behalf Of K0DAN Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:35 PM To: FlexRadio reflector Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex
Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting
If only more developers would take the initiative to do the same. Thanks a lot, Neal! -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:30 PM To: K0DAN Cc: flex list Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Excuse my shameless plug but as the owner of DXBase, I can guarantee you that DXBase will be 100% compatible with the expanded CAT cormmand set with the next major release which will be sometime next year. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:16 PM, K0DAN k0...@comcast.net wrote: I appreciate all the FLEX/LOGic/logger feedback. I may have failed to mention I am not yet a FLEX owner, kind of thinking the conversion will be sometime 1Q10, but I have been reading the reflectors the past few months and am getting a feel for what to expect. Am kinda hot to trot but also hoping for a simple implementation process, shack remodeling, and interface with existing subsystems, logging, etc. FLEX + LOGic users who have emailed me seem to be about 50/50 that LOGic did/didn't make the transition. My druthers are that I don't change but it is a reassuring to know that there's a bunch of people who found a workab le solution (and free!) to their problems. Thanks for the info folks...hope to be on the air with y'all soon! 73 dan k0dan - Original Message - From: NU8Z n...@comcast.net To: 'George Steube' a...@bellsouth.net; 'K0DAN' k0...@comcast.net; 'dan edwards' w...@att.net Cc: 'flex list' flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting I was also a long time user of Logic. Started back with Logic 1 or 2 (can't remember). I think Logic is an excellent logging program. If it were not for the issues ( I had) with interfacing the Flex with it, I would likely still be using it. Now that being said, because of the issues I gave DXLabs a try. I made the conversion about 3 years ago and have not looked back. All went smooth. I did lose some of my QSO notes from Logic in the transfer, but made no special effort to save them. There are some adif data massaging programs that could be used to maybe prevent that from happening. I made the transition knowing that I could always go back to Logic and put more effort into resolving the issue with the flex interfacing. When I first made the change to DxLabs I had a bit of switchers remorse, but that lasted about 2 days! Then I was hooked. The bottom line is that DX Labs is an amazing program. ( and it's free - with incredible product support) Regardless of what radio I was using, If I knew what I know now about this program I would have made the switch. I'm a happy camper Mark NU8Z -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of George Steube Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:28 AM To: K0DAN; dan edwards Cc: flex list Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Dan, The transfer was easy, the software is free, there is a ton of QSLing options that work. Just down load and try it. George W2GS -Original Message- From: K0DAN [mailto:k0...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:46 PM To: dan edwards; George Steube Cc: flex list Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting I've been running LOGic with hardware radios for a l-o-n-g time, pretty much trouble-free and frankly can't complain about the product or support. OK, so some have reported troubles interfacing with FLEX, others not. Those of you who have switched from LOGic to DXLab or something else, how bad was the data transfer, esp as regards reports, awards, QSLO info, eQSL, LOTW, etc., etc., all that background stuff which you have accumulated for years? Surely all this stuff doesn't just port overor does it 73 dan k0dan - Original Message - From: dan edwards w...@att.net To: George Steube a...@bellsouth.net Cc: flex list flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting i second that motion dxLab work GREAT dan, w5xz --- On Fri, 12/11/09, George Steube a...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: George Steube a...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting To: K0DAN k0...@comcast.net, FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 12:00 AM I did, but Logic8 kept locking up, I repeatedly tried to get the developer to fix the problem with no luck. I
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I also guarantee that N4PY software will always be 100% compatible with the latest version of powerSDR. Carl Moreschi N4PY 121 Little Bell Drive Hays, NC 28635 www.n4py.com - Original Message - From: Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com To: Neal Campbell nealk...@gmail.com; K0DAN k0...@comcast.net Cc: flex list flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting If only more developers would take the initiative to do the same. Thanks a lot, Neal! -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:30 PM To: K0DAN Cc: flex list Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Excuse my shameless plug but as the owner of DXBase, I can guarantee you that DXBase will be 100% compatible with the expanded CAT cormmand set with the next major release which will be sometime next year. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:16 PM, K0DAN k0...@comcast.net wrote: I appreciate all the FLEX/LOGic/logger feedback. I may have failed to mention I am not yet a FLEX owner, kind of thinking the conversion will be sometime 1Q10, but I have been reading the reflectors the past few months and am getting a feel for what to expect. Am kinda hot to trot but also hoping for a simple implementation process, shack remodeling, and interface with existing subsystems, logging, etc. FLEX + LOGic users who have emailed me seem to be about 50/50 that LOGic did/didn't make the transition. My druthers are that I don't change but it is a reassuring to know that there's a bunch of people who found a workab le solution (and free!) to their problems. Thanks for the info folks...hope to be on the air with y'all soon! 73 dan k0dan - Original Message - From: NU8Z n...@comcast.net To: 'George Steube' a...@bellsouth.net; 'K0DAN' k0...@comcast.net; 'dan edwards' w...@att.net Cc: 'flex list' flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting I was also a long time user of Logic. Started back with Logic 1 or 2 (can't remember). I think Logic is an excellent logging program. If it were not for the issues ( I had) with interfacing the Flex with it, I would likely still be using it. Now that being said, because of the issues I gave DXLabs a try. I made the conversion about 3 years ago and have not looked back. All went smooth. I did lose some of my QSO notes from Logic in the transfer, but made no special effort to save them. There are some adif data massaging programs that could be used to maybe prevent that from happening. I made the transition knowing that I could always go back to Logic and put more effort into resolving the issue with the flex interfacing. When I first made the change to DxLabs I had a bit of switchers remorse, but that lasted about 2 days! Then I was hooked. The bottom line is that DX Labs is an amazing program. ( and it's free - with incredible product support) Regardless of what radio I was using, If I knew what I know now about this program I would have made the switch. I'm a happy camper Mark NU8Z -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of George Steube Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:28 AM To: K0DAN; dan edwards Cc: flex list Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Dan, The transfer was easy, the software is free, there is a ton of QSLing options that work. Just down load and try it. George W2GS -Original Message- From: K0DAN [mailto:k0...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:46 PM To: dan edwards; George Steube Cc: flex list Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting I've been running LOGic with hardware radios for a l-o-n-g time, pretty much trouble-free and frankly can't complain about the product or support. OK, so some have reported troubles interfacing with FLEX, others not. Those of you who have switched from LOGic to DXLab or something else, how bad was the data transfer, esp as regards reports, awards, QSLO info, eQSL, LOTW, etc., etc., all that background stuff which you have accumulated for years? Surely all this stuff doesn't just port overor does it 73 dan k0dan - Original Message - From: dan edwards w...@att.net To: George Steube a...@bellsouth.net Cc: flex list flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting i second that motion dxLab work GREAT dan, w5xz --- On Fri, 12/11/09, George Steube
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Hi Dan, I am using Logic 8 and the F3K with out any problems. My Icoms would loose connection all the time, but never has with the F3K. I am using the Kenwood 2000 driver in logic. GL Rick AK3E K0DAN wrote: Speaking of logging software, have any FLEX users out there interfaced LOGic to their SDR radios? 73 dan k0dan - Original Message - From: Rudy Bakalov r_baka...@yahoo.com To: FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz; Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Fair enough. The issue with the logger is the ease of configuration. Many hams are intimidated by messing with CAT commands. Also, there is a much higher risk of an error compared to a visual interface that clearly defines the configuration. Rudy N2WQ --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com wrote: From: Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com Subject: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting To: FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 1:00 PM On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Rudy Bakalov r_baka...@yahoo.com wrote: It appears that the logger can in fact re-program the antenna selection on the fly using the set of available CAT commands. But this is extremely inefficient as the logger will have to send all the CAT commands just to turn the TX on, before even sending the actual contest message. It is much better to extend the existing PowerSDR software with a SO2R mode where antenna and relay outputs are per VFO rather than band. What you have described, i.e. sending all the commands to change the antenna settings before initiating the transmit, is both necessary and sufficient to meet all cases, present and future. If your data link is fast there will be no appreciable delay. At 19200 bps a 20 byte command sequence is transmitted in 10.4 ms. If it is running on a virtual serial port where the speed is limited only by the context switching time and processing delay, it would be much faster. The only time it might be an issue is if someone is trying to run full QSK on CW and even then, not too much. ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Fair enough. The issue with the logger is the ease of configuration. Many hams are intimidated by messing with CAT commands. Also, there is a much higher risk of an error compared to a visual interface that clearly defines the configuration. Rudy N2WQ --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com wrote: From: Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com Subject: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting To: FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 1:00 PM On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Rudy Bakalov r_baka...@yahoo.com wrote: It appears that the logger can in fact re-program the antenna selection on the fly using the set of available CAT commands. But this is extremely inefficient as the logger will have to send all the CAT commands just to turn the TX on, before even sending the actual contest message. It is much better to extend the existing PowerSDR software with a SO2R mode where antenna and relay outputs are per VFO rather than band. What you have described, i.e. sending all the commands to change the antenna settings before initiating the transmit, is both necessary and sufficient to meet all cases, present and future. If your data link is fast there will be no appreciable delay. At 19200 bps a 20 byte command sequence is transmitted in 10.4 ms. If it is running on a virtual serial port where the speed is limited only by the context switching time and processing delay, it would be much faster. The only time it might be an issue is if someone is trying to run full QSK on CW and even then, not too much. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to r_baka...@yahoo.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Rudy Bakalov r_baka...@yahoo.com wrote: Fair enough. The issue with the logger is the ease of configuration. Many hams are intimidated by messing with CAT commands. I don't expect most hams to mess with the CAT commands. I do expect that they are the way that an external program can control the basic radio functions. (And even then I am not sure that CAT commands are the right way to do it.) Also, there is a much higher risk of an error compared to a visual interface that clearly defines the configuration. They are not mutually exclusive. The logical method is to produce a function-specific GUI that then sends appropriate messages to the radio back-end. This presumes that there is a proper control language to allow setting of all functions in the radio back-end. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Speaking of logging software, have any FLEX users out there interfaced LOGic to their SDR radios? 73 dan k0dan - Original Message - From: Rudy Bakalov r_baka...@yahoo.com To: FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz; Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Fair enough. The issue with the logger is the ease of configuration. Many hams are intimidated by messing with CAT commands. Also, there is a much higher risk of an error compared to a visual interface that clearly defines the configuration. Rudy N2WQ --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com wrote: From: Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com Subject: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting To: FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 1:00 PM On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Rudy Bakalov r_baka...@yahoo.com wrote: It appears that the logger can in fact re-program the antenna selection on the fly using the set of available CAT commands. But this is extremely inefficient as the logger will have to send all the CAT commands just to turn the TX on, before even sending the actual contest message. It is much better to extend the existing PowerSDR software with a SO2R mode where antenna and relay outputs are per VFO rather than band. What you have described, i.e. sending all the commands to change the antenna settings before initiating the transmit, is both necessary and sufficient to meet all cases, present and future. If your data link is fast there will be no appreciable delay. At 19200 bps a 20 byte command sequence is transmitted in 10.4 ms. If it is running on a virtual serial port where the speed is limited only by the context switching time and processing delay, it would be much faster. The only time it might be an issue is if someone is trying to run full QSK on CW and even then, not too much. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to r_baka...@yahoo.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to k0...@comcast.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Nobody so far has talked about timing and delay issues in the case of doing all the antenna and PTT selection by the logger via CAT commands. I hope someone with deeper knowledge of the F5K can answer the following questions: 1) How long does it actually take for the radio to select antenna and PTT lines? The delay may turn out to be much too long to answer someone in a pileup with good timing. 2) Can the F5K accept all CAT commands as one string? The Kenwood CAT protocol uses a 150ms pacing. So, if 2 seperate commands (select ANT and PTT line) are sent before TX there would be at least a 300ms and maybe as much as 450ms delay. The polling runs all the time so depending when the polling occurs, a string of commands before TX could be delayed further. Then you would add the relay hardware delay on top of this. This delay isn't attractive. If the F5K could accept all commands as one string, that would reduce the TX command delay up to 150ms. 3) What would provide the delay between the RF relay switching and RF being applied? Seems that there would be a chance for some relay damage. The N1MM Logger program sends radio commands and never looks for a confirmation. Unless there are ways of addressing the delays listed above, right now I believe the radio needs to take care of itself. That is, switch the relay, PTT, and antenna when the CAT command is received to select VFO A or B; relying on the logger to do all this and do it quickly is likely not feasible. Rudy N2WQ --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com wrote: From: Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting To: Rudy Bakalov r_baka...@yahoo.com Cc: FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 1:44 PM On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Rudy Bakalov r_baka...@yahoo.com wrote: Fair enough. The issue with the logger is the ease of configuration. Many hams are intimidated by messing with CAT commands. I don't expect most hams to mess with the CAT commands. I do expect that they are the way that an external program can control the basic radio functions. (And even then I am not sure that CAT commands are the right way to do it.) Also, there is a much higher risk of an error compared to a visual interface that clearly defines the configuration. They are not mutually exclusive. The logical method is to produce a function-specific GUI that then sends appropriate messages to the radio back-end. This presumes that there is a proper control language to allow setting of all functions in the radio back-end. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I did, but Logic8 kept locking up, I repeatedly tried to get the developer to fix the problem with no luck. I changed to DXLab suite and have not looked back. You will not get better support on any product than Dave provides with DXLab. George W2GS -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz]on Behalf Of K0DAN Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:35 PM To: FlexRadio reflector Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Speaking of logging software, have any FLEX users out there interfaced LOGic to their SDR radios? 73 dan k0dan - Original Message - From: Rudy Bakalov r_baka...@yahoo.com To: FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz; Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Fair enough. The issue with the logger is the ease of configuration. Many hams are intimidated by messing with CAT commands. Also, there is a much higher risk of an error compared to a visual interface that clearly defines the configuration. Rudy N2WQ --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com wrote: From: Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com Subject: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting To: FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 1:00 PM On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Rudy Bakalov r_baka...@yahoo.com wrote: It appears that the logger can in fact re-program the antenna selection on the fly using the set of available CAT commands. But this is extremely inefficient as the logger will have to send all the CAT commands just to turn the TX on, before even sending the actual contest message. It is much better to extend the existing PowerSDR software with a SO2R mode where antenna and relay outputs are per VFO rather than band. What you have described, i.e. sending all the commands to change the antenna settings before initiating the transmit, is both necessary and sufficient to meet all cases, present and future. If your data link is fast there will be no appreciable delay. At 19200 bps a 20 byte command sequence is transmitted in 10.4 ms. If it is running on a virtual serial port where the speed is limited only by the context switching time and processing delay, it would be much faster. The only time it might be an issue is if someone is trying to run full QSK on CW and even then, not too much. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to r_baka...@yahoo.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to k0...@comcast.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to a...@bellsouth.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Rudy asked: 2) Can the F5K accept all CAT commands as one string? The Kenwood CAT protocol uses a 150ms pacing. So, if 2 seperate commands (select ANT and PTT line) are sent before TX there would be at least a 300ms and maybe as much as 450ms delay. The polling runs all the time so depending when the polling occurs, a string of commands before TX could be delayed further. Then you would add the relay hardware delay on top of this. This delay isn't attractive. If the F5K could accept all commands as one string, that would reduce the TX command delay up to 150ms. The CAT program buffers incoming commands and processes them in a FIFO manner. The program is, in essence, processing the commands in one string. There are no built-in internal delays other than the time it takes to process a command and return an answer (if required), which is very short compared to the polling period. Incoming commands that switch a function (like MOX) go straight to the PowerSDR property concerned and effect the change without returning an answer I'm not privy to the code in the external logging programs but I would think that a command initiated by the logger, like PTT, would not be subject to the polling interval but sent immediately. Only command that are requesting status update are polled. That is what I see when monitoring the serial data between third party programs and PowerSDR. I can furnish code snippets from the CAT code if you're interested. Bob Tracy, K5KDN ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I've been running LOGic with hardware radios for a l-o-n-g time, pretty much trouble-free and frankly can't complain about the product or support. OK, so some have reported troubles interfacing with FLEX, others not. Those of you who have switched from LOGic to DXLab or something else, how bad was the data transfer, esp as regards reports, awards, QSLO info, eQSL, LOTW, etc., etc., all that background stuff which you have accumulated for years? Surely all this stuff doesn't just port overor does it 73 dan k0dan - Original Message - From: dan edwards w...@att.net To: George Steube a...@bellsouth.net Cc: flex list flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting i second that motion dxLab work GREAT dan, w5xz --- On Fri, 12/11/09, George Steube a...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: George Steube a...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting To: K0DAN k0...@comcast.net, FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 12:00 AM I did, but Logic8 kept locking up, I repeatedly tried to get the developer to fix the problem with no luck. I changed to DXLab suite and have not looked back. You will not get better support on any product than Dave provides with DXLab. George W2GS -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz]on Behalf Of K0DAN Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:35 PM To: FlexRadio reflector Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Speaking of logging software, have any FLEX users out there interfaced LOGic to their SDR radios? 73 dan k0dan - Original Message - From: Rudy Bakalov r_baka...@yahoo.com To: FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz; Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting Fair enough. The issue with the logger is the ease of configuration. Many hams are intimidated by messing with CAT commands. Also, there is a much higher risk of an error compared to a visual interface that clearly defines the configuration. Rudy N2WQ --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com wrote: From: Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com Subject: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting To: FlexRadio reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 1:00 PM On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Rudy Bakalov r_baka...@yahoo.com wrote: It appears that the logger can in fact re-program the antenna selection on the fly using the set of available CAT commands. But this is extremely inefficient as the logger will have to send all the CAT commands just to turn the TX on, before even sending the actual contest message. It is much better to extend the existing PowerSDR software with a SO2R mode where antenna and relay outputs are per VFO rather than band. What you have described, i.e. sending all the commands to change the antenna settings before initiating the transmit, is both necessary and sufficient to meet all cases, present and future. If your data link is fast there will be no appreciable delay. At 19200 bps a 20 byte command sequence is transmitted in 10.4 ms. If it is running on a virtual serial port where the speed is limited only by the context switching time and processing delay, it would be much faster. The only time it might be an issue is if someone is trying to run full QSK on CW and even then, not too much. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to r_baka...@yahoo.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to k0...@comcast.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to a...@bellsouth.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message
