Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
Le lundi 20 juin 2005 à 21:10 +0200, Erik Hofman a écrit : > Gerard Robin wrote: > > > Not so strange, we know now the data which are in LFPO.btg have > > differents values than these which are in the official apt.dat; > > we just have to update LFPO.btg. > > How can it be done ? > > By rebuilding it using TerraGear. > Perhaps it's best to wait for the next scenery build? > > Erik > OK, I can try, i have just to build terragear, i hope that it will not be an other difficulty. I remember in the "old past time" i tried, not successful, with many message error during building. thanks -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
Martin Spott wrote: > Gerard Robin wrote: > > >>Concerning LFPO: >>the aircraft stand by position (--lat --long) after launching FG >>is not the same than coordinate in apt.dat file , > > > Well, the runway endpoint does _never_ show up in the airports file. > You already hat a look at the spec - did you !? > But this is a different story. In fact Paris Orly seems to expose the > 'corner case' of an airport where there is no link between different > runways. The runways lie so much apart from each other that not even > the grass that surrounds the runways shares the same outline, > > Martin. A great way to fix this (which used to be a trick I used when I was and X-Plane user) is to define a circumference road. I used to put a 10' wide dirt taxiway all the way around the actual property limit of an airport to give it some extra added realism. Josh ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
Gerard Robin wrote: Not so strange, we know now the data which are in LFPO.btg have differents values than these which are in the official apt.dat; we just have to update LFPO.btg. How can it be done ? By rebuilding it using TerraGear. Perhaps it's best to wait for the next scenery build? Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
Le lundi 20 juin 2005 à 19:50 +0200, Erik Hofman a écrit : > Gerard Robin wrote: > > > Your proposal is the last solution, it will be rather crazy to see a > > B747 ready to take off on an extra taxiway on the side of that runway > > with its right wing half on the runway axis > > With UFO no problem. I will take off with UFO from Paris Orly :-) > > So you are actually positioned next to the runway rather than in front > off it. Thar would be strange since both the airport generator and the > positioning code use the same data. > > Erik > Not so strange, we know now the data which are in LFPO.btg have differents values than these which are in the official apt.dat; we just have to update LFPO.btg. How can it be done ? > -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
Gerard Robin wrote: Your proposal is the last solution, it will be rather crazy to see a B747 ready to take off on an extra taxiway on the side of that runway with its right wing half on the runway axis With UFO no problem. I will take off with UFO from Paris Orly :-) So you are actually positioned next to the runway rather than in front off it. Thar would be strange since both the airport generator and the positioning code use the same data. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
Le lundi 20 juin 2005 à 18:56 +0200, Erik Hofman a écrit : > Gerard Robin wrote: > > > You probably have the last, did you try on your side about LFPO ? > > I didn't test LFPO yet, but is there any chance this is caused by a > displaced threshold: > > http://www.jetphotos.net/images/l/lfpo_26.jpg.79618.jpg > > If so, the runway should be extended by a taxiway that has the same with > as the runway. > > Erik > > > > > If it impossible to update the .btg file, which is probably wrong, apt.dat being more accurate and detailed. Your proposal is the last solution, it will be rather crazy to see a B747 ready to take off on an extra taxiway on the side of that runway with its right wing half on the runway axis With UFO no problem. I will take off with UFO from Paris Orly :-) > -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
Gerard Robin wrote: You probably have the last, did you try on your side about LFPO ? I didn't test LFPO yet, but is there any chance this is caused by a displaced threshold: http://www.jetphotos.net/images/l/lfpo_26.jpg.79618.jpg If so, the runway should be extended by a taxiway that has the same with as the runway. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
Quoting Gerard Robin : > Using taxidraw on LFPO (LFPO.btg file), i can export with TaxiDraw a > file in X-plane format, i get LFPO.dat, which should give the same > coordinates than the ones which the official apt.dat. --> IT IS NOT Just curious : Taxidraw can read .btg files ? That's a big value as there is only raw triangles and fans in a .btg file, I am interested in knowing how it is possible to recreate runways and taxiways informations. -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
Le lundi 20 juin 2005 à 18:27 +0200, Frederic Bouvier a écrit : > > May be many others Airports have the same error. > > > > Thanks for the answer > > Do you have the scenery that was generated with that apt.dat. > In other words, do you get the latest version of the scenery ? ( if you > already > have the latest version of apt.dat that is in CVS ) > > -Fred > Yes it is supposed to be last (April ?). I can download it again (it takes time, the mails coming by pigeon :--) ) With apt.dat no problem i permanently update from CVS. You probably have the last, did you try on your side about LFPO ? -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
Quoting Gerard Robin : > > I have found something: > > > Using taxidraw on LFPO (LFPO.btg file), i can export with TaxiDraw a > file in X-plane format, i get LFPO.dat, which should give the same > coordinates than the ones which the official apt.dat. --> IT IS NOT > > that explain the "beside" position of the Aircraft. > Two possibilities: > apt.dat is wrong --> we can modify it with a text editor > LFPO.btg is wrong --> how may we modify it ? > > May be many others Airports have the same error. > > Thanks for the answer Do you have the scenery that was generated with that apt.dat. In other words, do you get the latest version of the scenery ? ( if you already have the latest version of apt.dat that is in CVS ) -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
Le lundi 20 juin 2005 à 17:03 +0200, Gerard Robin a écrit : > Le lundi 20 juin 2005 à 08:51 +, Martin Spott a écrit : > > Gerard Robin wrote: > > > Le dimanche 19 juin 2005 à 22:10 +0200, Gerard Robin a écrit : > > > > >>I have the same request LFPO is wrong: --> take off point beside the > > >> runway > > > > > Oh yes i have tried with taxidraw, it seem only operate on the taxiway, > > > not the runway. I could not modify the runway start point > > > > There is no separate "runway start point", it is _always_ automagically > > placed at the beginning of the runway. The effect you probably see is > > sitting at the end of a grass runway that is being listed _before_ the > > expected asphalt runway. > > > > To edit runways please click "Edit -> Unlock Runways", to change the > > list order of an airfield simply employ your favourite text editor. If > > you like to change the order or simply understand the structure of the > > airport file, please have a look here: > > > > http://www.x-plane.org/home/robinp/Apt810.htm > > > > Martin. > Martin > > Concerning LFPO: > the aircraft stand by position (--lat --long) after launching FG > is not the same than coordinate in apt.dat file , it seem that it is > existing an other data which takes place in an other file and used by > FG during launching. > > Airport LFPO > Does anybody else could try it, to be sure..(i suppose that north > European people has downloaded the "France" scenery). > If it is wrong on your side, it will be an indication for searching what > is wrong. > > BTW: same error in my FG 9.8 > > Thanks I have found something: Using taxidraw on LFPO (LFPO.btg file), i can export with TaxiDraw a file in X-plane format, i get LFPO.dat, which should give the same coordinates than the ones which the official apt.dat. --> IT IS NOT that explain the "beside" position of the Aircraft. Two possibilities: apt.dat is wrong --> we can modify it with a text editor LFPO.btg is wrong --> how may we modify it ? May be many others Airports have the same error. Thanks for the answer -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
Gerard Robin wrote: > Concerning LFPO: > the aircraft stand by position (--lat --long) after launching FG > is not the same than coordinate in apt.dat file , Well, the runway endpoint does _never_ show up in the airports file. You already hat a look at the spec - did you !? But this is a different story. In fact Paris Orly seems to expose the 'corner case' of an airport where there is no link between different runways. The runways lie so much apart from each other that not even the grass that surrounds the runways shares the same outline, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
Le lundi 20 juin 2005 à 08:51 +, Martin Spott a écrit : > Gerard Robin wrote: > > Le dimanche 19 juin 2005 à 22:10 +0200, Gerard Robin a écrit : > > >>I have the same request LFPO is wrong: --> take off point beside the > >> runway > > > Oh yes i have tried with taxidraw, it seem only operate on the taxiway, > > not the runway. I could not modify the runway start point > > There is no separate "runway start point", it is _always_ automagically > placed at the beginning of the runway. The effect you probably see is > sitting at the end of a grass runway that is being listed _before_ the > expected asphalt runway. > > To edit runways please click "Edit -> Unlock Runways", to change the > list order of an airfield simply employ your favourite text editor. If > you like to change the order or simply understand the structure of the > airport file, please have a look here: > > http://www.x-plane.org/home/robinp/Apt810.htm > > Martin. Martin Concerning LFPO: the aircraft stand by position (--lat --long) after launching FG is not the same than coordinate in apt.dat file , it seem that it is existing an other data which takes place in an other file and used by FG during launching. Airport LFPO Does anybody else could try it, to be sure..(i suppose that north European people has downloaded the "France" scenery). If it is wrong on your side, it will be an indication for searching what is wrong. BTW: same error in my FG 9.8 Thanks -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
Am Sonntag 19 Juni 2005 22:36 schrieb Ampere K. Hardraade: > On June 19, 2005 04:10 pm, Gerard Robin wrote: > > I have the same request LFPO is wrong: --> take off point beside the > > runway > > > > Thanks > > -- > > Gerard > > For me, it is the LFBO. 14L/32R is a dirt runway, and there is no taxiway > connected to the ends of 14R/32L. =/ Taxiways are completely user submitted. A default taxiway layout is generated for airports without a database entry (taxiway parallel to runway, connected at both ends and the center to runway, apron in center). It maybe this applies only to asphalt and concrete runways. Best option is to take Taxidraw, layout a nice taxiway network (preferably the "real" one) an submit your changes to David Luff. It will be incorporated into the next scenery release. Thomas ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
Am Montag 20 Juni 2005 10:51 schrieb Martin Spott: > Gerard Robin wrote: > > Le dimanche 19 juin 2005 à 22:10 +0200, Gerard Robin a écrit : > >>I have the same request LFPO is wrong: --> take off point beside the > >> runway > > > > Oh yes i have tried with taxidraw, it seem only operate on the taxiway, > > not the runway. I could not modify the runway start point > > There is no separate "runway start point", it is _always_ automagically > placed at the beginning of the runway. The effect you probably see is > sitting at the end of a grass runway that is being listed _before_ the > expected asphalt runway. > > To edit runways please click "Edit -> Unlock Runways", to change the > list order of an airfield simply employ your favourite text editor. If > you like to change the order or simply understand the structure of the > airport file, please have a look here: Please not that changing runways is strongly discouraged, because they are mostly automatically derived from the DAFIF data. Usually the runway layout is not way off. Just giving the right runway on the commandline on startup should suffice. Eventually the most realistic option is to startup on the apron (data for that should already be in apt.dat.gz). But thats a different story... Thomas ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
Gerard Robin wrote: > Le dimanche 19 juin 2005 à 22:10 +0200, Gerard Robin a écrit : >>I have the same request LFPO is wrong: --> take off point beside the >> runway > Oh yes i have tried with taxidraw, it seem only operate on the taxiway, > not the runway. I could not modify the runway start point There is no separate "runway start point", it is _always_ automagically placed at the beginning of the runway. The effect you probably see is sitting at the end of a grass runway that is being listed _before_ the expected asphalt runway. To edit runways please click "Edit -> Unlock Runways", to change the list order of an airfield simply employ your favourite text editor. If you like to change the order or simply understand the structure of the airport file, please have a look here: http://www.x-plane.org/home/robinp/Apt810.htm Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
Le dimanche 19 juin 2005 à 22:10 +0200, Gerard Robin a écrit : > Le dimanche 19 juin 2005 à 15:32 -0400, Ampere K. Hardraade a écrit : > > If I found a lot of inaccuracies in an airport and want to get them fixed, > > who > > should I talk to? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Ampere > > >I have the same request LFPO is wrong: --> take off point beside the > runway > > Thanks >Please get TaxiDraw from: > http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/~eazdluf/taxidraw.html >and adjust the mentioned airport. Then submit the respective project >file to David Luff for inclusion into his collection, >Martin. Oh yes i have tried with taxidraw, it seem only operate on the taxiway, not the runway. I could not modify the runway start point -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
On June 19, 2005 04:10 pm, Gerard Robin wrote: > I have the same request LFPO is wrong: --> take off point beside the > runway > > Thanks > -- > Gerard For me, it is the LFBO. 14L/32R is a dirt runway, and there is no taxiway connected to the ends of 14R/32L. =/ I notice another airport around the area that also have a dirt runway. Seems like there are quite a few problems with airports in France. Ampere ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
Le dimanche 19 juin 2005 à 15:32 -0400, Ampere K. Hardraade a écrit : > If I found a lot of inaccuracies in an airport and want to get them fixed, > who > should I talk to? > > Thanks in advance, > Ampere > I have the same request LFPO is wrong: --> take off point beside the runway Thanks -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
"Ampere K. Hardraade" wrote: > If I found a lot of inaccuracies in an airport and want to get them fixed, > who > should I talk to? Please get TaxiDraw from: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/~eazdluf/taxidraw.html and adjust the mentioned airport. Then submit the respective project file to David Luff for inclusion into his collection, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Getting an airport fixed
If I found a lot of inaccuracies in an airport and want to get them fixed, who should I talk to? Thanks in advance, Ampere ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
