[Flightgear-devel] How are light singles parked?
Some of the photos of Massachusetts from Norman's link yesterday clearly show light singles parked in a back-to-back pattern, as so: |_ | _| | |_ | _| | |_ | _| | |_ | There doesn't look to be enough room to squeeze forward through the other rank, so how are they parked? Do they go in forward and then pivot round on one wheel powered, or are they manually pushed back? Cheers - Dave ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
re: [Flightgear-devel] How are light singles parked?
David Luff writes: Some of the photos of Massachusetts from Norman's link yesterday clearly show light singles parked in a back-to-back pattern, as so: |_ | _| | |_ | _| | |_ | _| | |_ | There doesn't look to be enough room to squeeze forward through the other rank, so how are they parked? Do they go in forward and then pivot round on one wheel powered, or are they manually pushed back? Most larger line operations have a tractor (the size of a personal lawn-mowing tractor) to tow light planes around. There are also motorized towbars and other such gizmos for personal use, and in the worst case, there's the little steel towbar that most planes have (mine is about 8 inches too short and has a tendency to throw my back out). At the Ottawa Flying Club, the tractor is always buzzing around towing planes in and out of the hangar, from the field to the pumps or back again, from the field to the apron or back again, and so on -- that's the life of a line guy (the tractor is roughly equivalent to a switcher locomotive in a railyard). The way that you saw the planes in the picture, they'd probably be towed back out again before startup to avoid spraying the other planes behind them. Pivoting on one wheel is evil, because it wears off the very expensive rubber on one of the tires; it also tends to require higher propeller RPMs, so that it sprays dirt, sand, snow, salt, or gravel on any other person or plane nearby. You should spend a Saturday afternoon at your local flying club and watch the operations. The dispatch desk would probably be happy to tune in tower or ground on their radio as well, so that you can listen to what's going on. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How are light singles parked?
David Luff writes: Some of the photos of Massachusetts from Norman's link yesterday clearly show light singles parked in a back-to-back pattern, as so: David could you translate 'light singles' into 'american' :-) Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How are light singles parked?
Norman Vine writes: David Luff writes: Some of the photos of Massachusetts from Norman's link yesterday clearly show light singles parked in a back-to-back pattern, as so: David could you translate 'light singles' into 'american' :-) You guys aren't talking about cheese are you? Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How are light singles parked?
Norman Vine writes: could you translate 'light singles' into 'american' :-) I don't get the joke without seeing the picture -- are the planes David's referring to bigger than light singles? All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How are light singles parked?
Norman Vine writes: could you translate 'light singles' into 'american' :-) I don't get the joke without seeing the picture -- are the planes David's referring to bigger than light singles? AFAIK, it's just a bad cheese joke and has nothing to do with airplanes. :) g. (who actually likes the occasionaly cheesy joke) ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How are light singles parked?
On 1/23/03 at 1:37 PM David Megginson wrote: Norman Vine writes: could you translate 'light singles' into 'american' :-) I don't get the joke without seeing the picture -- are the planes David's referring to bigger than light singles? I think we're talking cheese. I guess no American would ever eat anything with 'light' in it's name! I've put close-ups of the parking up anyway at http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/~eazdluf/Southbridge.jpg and http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/~eazdluf/apt2.jpg If light singles (of the aviation variety) are commonly tractored in and out of parking spots like these then it makes AI ground movements much more tricky. Whats the normal procedure? Do you stop in front of your favoured (US: favored ;-)) parking space and wait for the tractor, or do you park up in an easier space and have the plane moved later? Cheers - Dave ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] How are light singles parked?
I think we're talking cheese. I guess no American would ever eat anything with 'light' in it's name! That's because here anything with light in the name tastes like crap. If it's different in the U.K., I'm moving! ;-) smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How are light singles parked? [OT]
I think we're talking cheese. I guess no American would ever eat anything with 'light' in it's name! That's because here anything with light in the name tastes like crap. If it's different in the U.K., I'm moving! ;-) You're very welcome! Light doesn't mean much these days, simply because you can hardly find anything else (in fact, they often invent some new words for it just to attract customers). In the UK, light stuff is OK, the only thing I wouldn't touch is skimmed milk (or even semi-skimmed milk), it's just opaque water. Go to a cafe and order a big breakfast -- you'll know what the opposite of US light is. Oh, and you can buy infinite quantities of Cadbury's chocolate (good stuff), and Haribo's, and lots of really healthy things... Andras === Major Andras e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www:http://andras.webhop.org/ === ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How are light singles parked?
David Luff writes: If light singles (of the aviation variety) are commonly tractored in and out of parking spots like these then it makes AI ground movements much more tricky. Whats the normal procedure? Do you stop in front of your favoured (US: favored ;-)) parking space and wait for the tractor, or do you park up in an easier space and have the plane moved later? I always like to leave the plane with full tanks to keep water out of the fuel system (no air == no condensation). After landing, I generally taxi straight up to the pumps and shut down. The line guy fills up the plane then tows it out to the field, where I tie it down and put on the covers. Taxiing to the pumps on arrival is probably probably as realistic as anything else. You have to shut down to refill, and no one wants to start the engine again if they can help it. That said, there there is room to taxi to parking on our field. The planes are parked in rows facing into the prevailing wind (west), with an empty aisle between each row for taxiing. There's no reason that you cannot just leave your AI planes on the apron, as if the line guy has already towed them there out of the hangar or off the field. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How are light singles parked?
On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 15:27, David Megginson wrote: I always like to leave the plane with full tanks to keep water out of the fuel system (no air == no condensation). After landing, I generally taxi straight up to the pumps and shut down. The line guy fills up the plane then tows it out to the field, where I tie it down and put on the covers. Taxiing to the pumps on arrival is probably probably as realistic as anything else. You have to shut down to refill, and no one wants to start the engine again if they can help it. At my field (KPSK), everyone just taxies to the tiedown or their T-hanger. But, it's a small field and the tiedowns aren't very crowded. The folks in the T-hangars usually move the plane in and out of their hanger by a human-powered towbar. The only aircraft that I've ever seen moved by tractor are the ones in the big shared hangers. They keep a King Air and some assorted single and twin engine piston aircraft in there. Fuel can be had either by pulling up to the pump, or by fuel truck. The two rental C-172 trainers that I fly are almost always filled by the fuel truck. But, in my humble opinion, people probably aren't going to sit on the ramp and watch the traffic all day. Something simple and believable should work - a C-172 in the pattern doing touch-and-goes, and a King Air opping at the pumps for gas every once in a while would be plenty believable. Just so long as the ground movement isn't blatantly wrong and there's stuff in the air that flies the pattern and/or the instrument approaches, it's good enough for me. That said, it would be a good idea to have the AI planes complain (profanely? ./fgfs --disable-adult-language) on the CTAF or tower frequency if you get too close. :-) -Luke ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] How are light singles parked?
Luke Scharf writes: That said, it would be a good idea to have the AI planes complain (profanely? ./fgfs --disable-adult-language) on the CTAF or tower frequency if you get too close. :-) At a controlled airport, it should be ATC yelling: Alfa Bravo Charlie, TURN RIGHT NOW! EXPEDITE! I heard a controller yell once, when I was still about ten miles away from Waterloo airport. Someone had started flying the wrong way in the circuit and had not seemed to understand ATC's instructions, and eventually there was a conflict. It's a sickening feeling to hear the normally calm voice suddenly rise in volume and pitch and shout immediate left turn to [[heading]]. TURN NOW! followed by a long silence; fortunately, everything was OK that time, and the controller eventually managed to coax the plane out of her zone without hitting anyone. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
