[Flightgear-devel] RFD: default weather
We currently have the ability to sync with real METAR weather reports as we fly. I would like to propose that we set the default weather to zero winds, zero turbulence, and maybe (?) zero clouds. Those that want interesting weather by default can use the METAR fetching feature, and those that are trying out FG for the first time will have fewer surprises. What do you think? Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: default weather
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 19:55, Curtis L. Olson wrote: We currently have the ability to sync with real METAR weather reports as we fly. I would like to propose that we set the default weather to zero winds, zero turbulence, and maybe (?) zero clouds. Those that want interesting weather by default can use the METAR fetching feature, and those that are trying out FG for the first time will have fewer surprises. What do you think? Curt. I mentioned once that I was seeing some strange jumps in the wind and visibility when I take off (from near 0ft alt airfields) and not using METAR weather - I wonder if some of the problems that some newbies experience might also be due to this. For example, sometimes I'm getting 6kt winds at ground level, when they should be 3kt and then quite often they're up to 30kt by the time I'm up to around 800ft agl. It doesn't seem to happen consistently but I'd guess it occurs about 50% of the time. Re-applying the weather settings via the gui will eventually sort it out but frequently, after re-applying the settings by clicking the 'Apply' button, and then clicking 'OK', the weather reverts back to the incorrect settings. Sometime clicking the 'Apply' button has no immediate effect and I have to click it many times before a change occurs and even then, it's not always to the correct settings. Just to confirm, I've been checking the settings in /environment via the property browser and I can see there that the settings are incorrect. If this were to occur to a newbie I can easily imagine them having trouble keeping the C-172 level as they transition from 6kt winds in one direction to 30kt winds from a different direction, and when it does occur the transition is pretty sharp. Apart from some modifications to the visibility ranges I'm using the current default weather settings. I haven't tried zeroing all the settings yet, to see what effect that would have. Re the clouds, I think it would be a good idea to keep the high-level cirrus - that's unlikely to cause any problems with a first time user and does break up the sky a bit. LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: default weather
Curtis L. Olson wrote: We currently have the ability to sync with real METAR weather reports as we fly. I would like to propose that we set the default weather to zero winds, zero turbulence, and maybe (?) zero clouds. Those that want interesting weather by default can use the METAR fetching feature, and those that are trying out FG for the first time will have fewer surprises. What do you think? Curt. I like this idea. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: default weather
I've never heard of Lee's problems, but I think it's a good idea to keep the high-level clouds because they prove that we can do them, and they make the sky look vaguely realistic (how often do you get clear skies in San Fransisco? Simply off the geography, I'd guess not too frequently, but I've never been within 5000 miles, so I don't know) Giles Robertson -Original Message- From: Lee Elliott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 June 2004 20:12 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: default weather On Tuesday 15 June 2004 19:55, Curtis L. Olson wrote: We currently have the ability to sync with real METAR weather reports as we fly. I would like to propose that we set the default weather to zero winds, zero turbulence, and maybe (?) zero clouds. Those that want interesting weather by default can use the METAR fetching feature, and those that are trying out FG for the first time will have fewer surprises. What do you think? Curt. I mentioned once that I was seeing some strange jumps in the wind and visibility when I take off (from near 0ft alt airfields) and not using METAR weather - I wonder if some of the problems that some newbies experience might also be due to this. For example, sometimes I'm getting 6kt winds at ground level, when they should be 3kt and then quite often they're up to 30kt by the time I'm up to around 800ft agl. It doesn't seem to happen consistently but I'd guess it occurs about 50% of the time. Re-applying the weather settings via the gui will eventually sort it out but frequently, after re-applying the settings by clicking the 'Apply' button, and then clicking 'OK', the weather reverts back to the incorrect settings. Sometime clicking the 'Apply' button has no immediate effect and I have to click it many times before a change occurs and even then, it's not always to the correct settings. Just to confirm, I've been checking the settings in /environment via the property browser and I can see there that the settings are incorrect. If this were to occur to a newbie I can easily imagine them having trouble keeping the C-172 level as they transition from 6kt winds in one direction to 30kt winds from a different direction, and when it does occur the transition is pretty sharp. Apart from some modifications to the visibility ranges I'm using the current default weather settings. I haven't tried zeroing all the settings yet, to see what effect that would have. Re the clouds, I think it would be a good idea to keep the high-level cirrus - that's unlikely to cause any problems with a first time user and does break up the sky a bit. LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: default weather
Curtis L. Olson said: We currently have the ability to sync with real METAR weather reports as we fly. I would like to propose that we set the default weather to zero winds, zero turbulence, and maybe (?) zero clouds. Those that want interesting weather by default can use the METAR fetching feature, and those that are trying out FG for the first time will have fewer surprises. What do you think? Sounds ok. Then Denver won't be in the clouds all the time. Maybe a pui dialog option(s) that offered a non-metar weather scenario or two or three would be good. Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: default weather
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:47:47 - Jim Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis L. Olson said: We currently have the ability to sync with real METAR weather reports as we fly. I would like to propose that we set the default weather to zero winds, zero turbulence, and maybe (?) zero clouds. Those that want interesting weather by default can use the METAR fetching feature, and those that are trying out FG for the first time will have fewer surprises. What do you think? Sounds ok. Then Denver won't be in the clouds all the time. Maybe a pui dialog option(s) that offered a non-metar weather scenario or two or three would be good. I ditto this. In addition to no weather and METAR extracted, having a scenario or two would be nice. But I think having a default of nothing (except for maybe some high-altitude stuff for scenery) is good. -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgpR0ASExz5yU.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
