Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim strangeness [was Taildragger takeoff and landing]

2004-07-29 Thread Matthew Law
David Megginson wrote:
Andy Ross wrote:
Uh... YASim doesn't model wash effects, so there really isn't any
process by which a pure control input would generate force.  Are you
sure you weren't just sitting in a stiff wind?  Can anyone else
replicate this?

I cannot reproduce it on my system:
  fgfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] --aircraft=j3cub
I put on the parking brake (who'd have thought the J3 Cub had a 
parking brake?) and tried moving all of the control surfaces.  They 
had no effect on the aircraft, either with the engine on or with the 
engine off. 
Then maybe wind has crept in there somehow...  I'll check tonight.
All the best,
Matthew
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[Flightgear-devel] Yasim strangeness [was Taildragger takeoff and landing]

2004-07-28 Thread Matthew Law
David Megginson wrote:
That shouldn't be from my change -- can you do it with other YASim 
planes? 

I see the same issue with elevator on the c172-3d-yasim but not 
aileron.  Again with the pa28-161 -looks to be about 5-10 deg judging by 
the attitude from inside the cockpit...

All the best,
Matthew
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim strangeness [was Taildragger takeoff and landing]

2004-07-28 Thread Matthew Law
 I see the same issue with elevator on the c172-3d-yasim but not 
aileron.  Again with the pa28-161 -looks to be about 5-10 deg judging by 
the attitude from inside the cockpit...

Also, try side slipping any of the cessnas or the pa28.  It seems that 
in this flight regime the rudder seems to lack authority, at least 
compared it to the 150's and 152's I've flown where you need quite a bit 
of aileron to counter the opposing roll of the rudder when the controls 
are 'well crossed'.  Is this the case or is side slipping a particularly 
tricky thing to get right in the FDM?

All the best,
Matthew.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim strangeness [was Taildragger takeoff and landing]

2004-07-28 Thread Andy Ross
Matthew Law wrote:
 David Megginson wrote:
  Matthew Law wrote:
   It seems much, much better to me.  However, I can sit at minimum
   power with the brakes on in nil wind and rock from one main wheel to
   the other using the ailerons.  I can also lift the tail off the
   ground at minimum power.  I'm not sure if that is a side effect of
   what you've done, but I'm sure that shouldn't be the case :-)
 
  That shouldn't be from my change -- can you do it with other YASim
  planes?

 I see the same issue with elevator on the c172-3d-yasim but not
 aileron.  Again with the pa28-161 -looks to be about 5-10 deg judging
 by the attitude from inside the cockpit...

Uh... YASim doesn't model wash effects, so there really isn't any
process by which a pure control input would generate force.  Are you
sure you weren't just sitting in a stiff wind?  Can anyone else
replicate this?

Andy


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Yasim strangeness [was Taildragger takeoff and landing]

2004-07-28 Thread David Megginson
Andy Ross wrote:
Uh... YASim doesn't model wash effects, so there really isn't any
process by which a pure control input would generate force.  Are you
sure you weren't just sitting in a stiff wind?  Can anyone else
replicate this?
I cannot reproduce it on my system:
  fgfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] --aircraft=j3cub
I put on the parking brake (who'd have thought the J3 Cub had a parking 
brake?) and tried moving all of the control surfaces.  They had no effect on 
the aircraft, either with the engine on or with the engine off.

All the best,
David
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