Re: [Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume
Alex Perry writes: I think they're talking prop light aircraft. It is especially severe with high wing aircraft, since you cannot simply look at the fuel filler ports and trivially inspect them. Fuel island staff often don't know how to put the caps on right, and pilots often leave them off to dip the tanks and get distracted, so forget and take off without replacing caps. I imagine that it would also be pretty nasty if the pilot left off only one cap. It cannot be easy to handle the plane with one wing tank full and one empty at circuit altitude -- one good gust could put you upside-down. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume
Does anyone have any objections to lowering the relative volume of the gear and flaps in the default cessna 172? Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
re: [Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume
It was a particularly nasty trick on a 172M, which uses an up/down toggle switch rather than a slider for flaps, but I caught on when the plane wouldn't climb at 70kt with full power. humor Next time, look to your left and a little bit up and to the rear. If there's a big honkin' chunk of metal blocking your view, check the flap switch. *huge grin* /humor g. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
re: [Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume
Gene Buckle writes: humor Next time, look to your left and a little bit up and to the rear. If there's a big honkin' chunk of metal blocking your view, check the flap switch. *huge grin* /humor The other one I've learned from real experience (as a passenger). If while you are looking a little up and to the rear to check flap status, if you also notice a big plume of something that looks a lot like smoke coming off one or both wings, land and check your fuel tank covers. (And extinguish your cigarettes.) :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
re: [Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume
Gene Buckle writes: humor Next time, look to your left and a little bit up and to the rear. If there's a big honkin' chunk of metal blocking your view, check the flap switch. *huge grin* /humor The other one I've learned from real experience (as a passenger). If while you are looking a little up and to the rear to check flap status, if you also notice a big plume of something that looks a lot like smoke coming off one or both wings, land and check your fuel tank covers. (And extinguish your cigarettes.) :-) Ye gods. That's why you pre-flight _after_ you've fueled up. Gas it, park it and then check it _all_. I'm amazed you made it back. It doesn't take long to suck those wing tanks dry. g. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
re: [Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume
Gene Buckle writes: It was a particularly nasty trick on a 172M, which uses an up/down toggle switch rather than a slider for flaps, but I caught on when the plane wouldn't climb at 70kt with full power. humor Next time, look to your left and a little bit up and to the rear. If there's a big honkin' chunk of metal blocking your view, check the flap switch. *huge grin* /humor lack-of-humour In the 172M, the rocker switch doesn't tell you anything (and the position indicator beside it was, of course, U/S). In the end, I did look out the window, which was a non-trivial bit of contortion with an instrument-training hood on. /lack-of-humour All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
re: [Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume
Curtis L. Olson writes: The other one I've learned from real experience (as a passenger). If while you are looking a little up and to the rear to check flap status, if you also notice a big plume of something that looks a lot like smoke coming off one or both wings, land and check your fuel tank covers. (And extinguish your cigarettes.) :-) Remember to jump up off the floor just before the plane hits the ground, and you'll be fine. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
re: [Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume
On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 14:04, Gene Buckle wrote: Gene Buckle writes: humor Next time, look to your left and a little bit up and to the rear. If there's a big honkin' chunk of metal blocking your view, check the flap switch. *huge grin* /humor The other one I've learned from real experience (as a passenger). If while you are looking a little up and to the rear to check flap status, if you also notice a big plume of something that looks a lot like smoke coming off one or both wings, land and check your fuel tank covers. (And extinguish your cigarettes.) :-) Ye gods. That's why you pre-flight _after_ you've fueled up. Gas it, park it and then check it _all_. I'm amazed you made it back. It doesn't take long to suck those wing tanks dry. Could have been plenty in the center tank ... I would think fuel spraying somewhere near the nacelles or exhaust plume would be a bigger worry. g. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Tony Peden [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know Linux is great ... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds. -- attributed to Linus Torvalds ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
re: [Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume
Gene Buckle writes: Gene Buckle writes: humor Next time, look to your left and a little bit up and to the rear. If there's a big honkin' chunk of metal blocking your view, check the flap switch. *huge grin* /humor The other one I've learned from real experience (as a passenger). If while you are looking a little up and to the rear to check flap status, if you also notice a big plume of something that looks a lot like smoke coming off one or both wings, land and check your fuel tank covers. (And extinguish your cigarettes.) :-) Ye gods. That's why you pre-flight _after_ you've fueled up. Gas it, park it and then check it _all_. I'm amazed you made it back. It doesn't take long to suck those wing tanks dry. That was when I was young and stupid. The pilot fueled back up, screwed on the fuel caps, and off we went again. I should have used that opportunity to exit the plane, but was too excited about the rare chance to go flying ... it was a wild ride though ... we flew up to northern AZ and were buzzing some poor rancher's cattle, or would that be some rancher's poor cattle. Anyway we were occasionally pretty close to 90 degree bank about 50' above the ground. In retrospect, yes, lucky to have made it back from both flights that day. That was the last time I went flying with that particular pilot. These days I give all my potential pilots a check ride in flightgear first before I'll go flying with them. :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] relative gear/flap sound volume
On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 14:04, Gene Buckle wrote: The other one I've learned from real experience (as a passenger). If while you are looking a little up and to the rear to check flap status, if you also notice a big plume of something that looks a lot like smoke coming off one or both wings, land and check your fuel tank covers. (And extinguish your cigarettes.) :-) Ye gods. That's why you pre-flight _after_ you've fueled up. Gas it, park it and then check it _all_. I'm amazed you made it back. It doesn't take long to suck those wing tanks dry. Could have been plenty in the center tank ... I would think fuel spraying somewhere near the nacelles or exhaust plume would be a bigger worry. I think they're talking prop light aircraft. It is especially severe with high wing aircraft, since you cannot simply look at the fuel filler ports and trivially inspect them. Fuel island staff often don't know how to put the caps on right, and pilots often leave them off to dip the tanks and get distracted, so forget and take off without replacing caps. The fuel starts to siphon off as soon as the wing generates lift, which is creating a low pressure above the wing surface, and I'm told you have about five minutes before that tank is completely emptied out. The fuel doesn't siphon out before the lift is generated, so there is often no indication on the ground (during runup) of a problem. Given that this corresponds to 7 miles at normal flight speeds and a normal empty traffic pattern can be as big as four miles around, it is imperative to declare an emergency immediately and get any other traffic out of the way. You cannot afford any delay at that point. Another fun trick is to leave off the oil cap. As you're rolling down the runway and advance the throttle to full power, about five seconds later you lose all forward visibility as the engine oil gets delivered all over the windshield (at 30 mph ground speed). No, I haven't done either of these. It's amazing what you learn when working as a safety counselor (grin). ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
