Re: [Flightgear-devel] x++ The World's First XML-Based ProgrammingLanguage

2002-07-08 Thread Tony Peden

On Mon, 2002-07-08 at 20:52, Norman Vine wrote:
> FYI
>  http://xplusplus.sourceforge.net/index.htm

Bring on the significant whitespace!

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] x++ The World's First XML-Based ProgrammingLanguage

2002-07-09 Thread Andy Ross

Jonathan Polley wrote:
> Jon Berndt wrote:
> > Just because something *can* be done doesn't mean it *should* be!
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> Actually, I was going to say that it was another solution in search of
> a problem.

I honestly thought it was a joke, but the website looks serious enough
to believe.  Good grief.

But it's not the first -- XSLT is a full XML-based programming
language, thankfully tailored to a much smaller problem area.  And
XSLT is still a horrific monster, IMHO.

I still remain dumbfounded at the number of otherwise bright people in
this world that believe that needlessly gluing together two useful
technologies results in improvement.  What happened to encapsulation?
It's not just for programs anymore. :)

Andy

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] x++ The World's First XML-Based ProgrammingLanguage

2002-07-09 Thread Curtis L. Olson

Andy Ross writes:
> Jonathan Polley wrote:
> > Jon Berndt wrote:
> > > Just because something *can* be done doesn't mean it *should* be!
> >
> > Actually, I was going to say that it was another solution in search of
> > a problem.
> 
> I honestly thought it was a joke, but the website looks serious enough
> to believe.  Good grief.
> 
> But it's not the first -- XSLT is a full XML-based programming
> language, thankfully tailored to a much smaller problem area.  And
> XSLT is still a horrific monster, IMHO.
> 
> I still remain dumbfounded at the number of otherwise bright people in
> this world that believe that needlessly gluing together two useful
> technologies results in improvement.  What happened to encapsulation?
> It's not just for programs anymore. :)

The only thing I can possibly see is that they want to have some sort
of gui point and click graphical visual programming thingy and then
they can dump out the actual result as xml, but the developer would
rarely if ever actually look at the xml  Of course, that's just me
trying to make sense of it. :-)

Curt.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] x++ The World's First XML-Based ProgrammingLanguage

2002-07-09 Thread David Megginson

Andy Ross writes:

 > I honestly thought it was a joke, but the website looks serious
 > enough to believe.  Good grief.

People have been proposing this kind of thing right from the start.

 > But it's not the first -- XSLT is a full XML-based programming
 > language, thankfully tailored to a much smaller problem area.  And
 > XSLT is still a horrific monster, IMHO.

Yes, but at least XSLT is mostly declarative, so it's in XML's problem
area.  Basically my rule is that markup languages are nouns and
adjectives, while programming languages are verbs and adverbs.  You
use a markup language to describe information and programming languages to
act on it.

Note, however, that the excess has often gone the other way.  Far too
many programmers use code to define large amounts of data (consider
especially the early AI work in LISP).


All the best,


David

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