Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Docs/keyboard VERSION, NONE,

2004-02-03 Thread Ronny Standtke
Am Montag, 2. Februar 2004 23:38 schrieb Melchior FRANZ:
 Who? The Empress? She was actually called Sisi ...

http://dict.leo.org/?search=sissylang=de

 That a solution for non-US-keyboards is necessary was never argued about,
 and actually discussed a few times already. It's just that nobody found
 it annoying enough to fix it.

I'm quite new to this list so I missed this discission. What are the proposed 
solutions?

 That would mean that we had to consider the layout of every keyboard
 out there. And describing this in the documentation would be *the*
 horror...

That is what I already said...

  Hope to have sparked some discussion...
 Sorry, no. That was Martin's reminder and my keyboard overview.

Well, at least we both seem to discuss quite nicely, dont we :-)

Ciao

Ronny


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Docs/keyboard VERSION, NONE,

2004-02-02 Thread Ronny Standtke
Am Montag, 2. Februar 2004 11:51 schrieb Melchior FRANZ:
 Don't know. I'm Austrian.
 No, seriously: I can't stand German keyboards. Their layout is brain-dead,
 so I'm using an US-American one. I'd say that it's up to those who suffer
 the most to fix the unfortunate situation. (I use the compose key when
 I really need Umlauts or a 'sharp s'.  :-)

Being German myself I like German keyboards very much. It is nice to have all 
the letters of your language easily acessible e.g. when you write sentences 
like Falsches Üben von Xylophonmusik quält jeden größeren Zwerg.

What exactly do you despise about the layout of German kezboards :-)

Greetings

Live-CD Ronny


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Docs/keyboard VERSION, NONE,

2004-02-02 Thread Ronny Standtke
 The places where they put unimportant things like @, [, ], {, }, \,
 etc. Face it: German keyboards may be suitable for secretaries or poets,
 but they are a royal pain for technical stuff like programming.

If you look back in history (damn, I'm not that old) keyboards _have_ been 
designed first and foremost for typewriters and secretaries. Programming came 
ages later. But dont be a sissy, I am a developer myself 
(http://pauker.sourceforge.net/) and the German keyboard never troubled me 
while programming.

 But thats quite OT, because switching to a saner keyboard layout is not an
 option for fgfs users having problems to start engine no. 2.

It is not OT because different keyboard layouts are a problem for both 
FlightGear developers and users. Btw, every keyboard layout is more or less 
sane for the people in the respective countries.

The solution for FlightGear could be to interpret keystrokes instead of 
characters. This way you dont have the problem that suddenly the keys for 
controlling FlightGear are hard to reach. It always bugs me if a program 
tells me to use A  Z to control some velocity and I have to grab over 
the whole keyboard. The big plus you get (sane mapping of controls to 
keyboard) gets a small dent because in your user manual you have to decribe 
the position of the key instead of just saying use X...

Hope to have sparked some discussion...

Ronny


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