Re: [Flightgear-devel] Programmatic control of AI traffic
Hi, On Tuesday 06 November 2007 07:56:22 Durk Talsma wrote: On Monday 05 November 2007 16:50, Csaba Halász wrote: Yeah! How about setting up an mp-server feeding in real traffic? Or even just AI? So that every client would see the same traffic. Note: This is moving into a slightly different topic, but still interesting enough to mention, I hope. I've been thinking about this idea for some time now; separate out the intelligent part of the AI code into a separate program, and run this as a dedicated standalone program that feeds aircraft positions into flightgear. This would solve many initialization problems, because the server could run completely independently of FlightGear itself. If somebody would care to assist in working out the details of the networking code, I'd be happy to investigate the possibilities of setting up a dedicated AI traffic server. I really think, setting up a mp-client which feeds traffic is the right way to go. That way it does not matter, if the traffic is real or artificial. And best of all, flightgear itself does not need any changes at all. In fact, that was the reason why I tried to introduce a new pseudo-FDM into flightgear (well, especially I wanted to turn the AI-Nimitz into a real MP-client). While the feeded vehicle is in the air, there are no problems at all. But when approaching ground, or the vehicle is bound to the ground, there is one obstacle: The used terrain. In order to have the vehicle exactly on ground, the client must have the same terrain data which flightgear has. Therefor I thought of flightgear itself as the feeder. If you somehow manage to get the terrain ripped of in some kind of library, it would be possible to build just any kind of feeder via the mp-protocoll. Just my 2cents, Oliver - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] More compile problems
Hello, After Curt kindly helping me to compile Terragear last Friday it was working lovely well until I tried to do a genapts, I did see on ./configure it said it needed newmats to generate airports so I read the README.newmats and got the correct packages and configured them and did another ./configure and it all worked but when I did a make I get the same error as here http://osdir.com/ml/games.flightgear.terragear.devel/2006-12/msg1.html But I am not sure I understand his solution could someone explain it in layman terms? Kind Regards, Will This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre on behalf of the Marshall Group of Companies. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Programmatic control of AI traffic
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oliver Schroeder wrote: Hi, On Tuesday 06 November 2007 07:56:22 Durk Talsma wrote: On Monday 05 November 2007 16:50, Csaba Halász wrote: Yeah! How about setting up an mp-server feeding in real traffic? Or even just AI? So that every client would see the same traffic. Note: This is moving into a slightly different topic, but still interesting enough to mention, I hope. I've been thinking about this idea for some time now; separate out the intelligent part of the AI code into a separate program, and run this as a dedicated standalone program that feeds aircraft positions into flightgear. This would solve many initialization problems, because the server could run completely independently of FlightGear itself. ... I really think, setting up a mp-client which feeds traffic is the right way to go. That way it does not matter, if the traffic is real or artificial. And best of all, flightgear itself does not need any changes at all. I'd be a bit concerned about the performance implications of this approach. If the intent is to run this program on the same machine as FlightGear, then there will need to be a fair amount of tuning to make sure that the real-time FlightGear performance isn't affected and that the AI program isn't starved at the same time. My impression is that the traffic manager is quite CPU intensive; perhaps that's skewed by initialization costs. It's still a good idea to have a separate program as an option, and many people have several computers laying around. But do think about the single machine case too, especially in the context of wanting to work well on three operating systems (Unix, Windows, OS X). Tim -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHMDbIeDhWHdXrDRURAonNAKC1K78zt9G3HWjVIQWQEGXn/p61WwCgpRYz tUq6gLO2SU55RYkzfRDyC1M= =7OoR -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Programmatic control of AI traffic
Carroll Barry wrote: I don't have access to a live feed but I'm hoping to get a delayed one perhaps, in the same way as fboweb @ http://www.fboweb.com/ has. Aviation Data Systems (who produce fboweb.com) are listed as a Class 1 ASDI Direct subscriber on the ASDI website - so they have access to a direct real-time feed. I think that means they will have put their hardware in the FAA facility to receive the data stream, though I note that VPN access is now available for the data, which is more flexible. There are various restrictions on who can receive Class 1 data, including beign part of a professional aviation organization. I don't think we qualify as a Class 1 user, even if we could find someone to give us a free feed. Class 2 data is time-delayed by 5 minutes and has fewer restrictions. However, I note that the MOA on the website explicitly states that the FAA have the right to review any public accessible version of the information prior to availability. See section 7.1.6 of http://www.fly.faa.gov/ASDI/asdidocs/asdi_moa_01_jun06.pdf. I think that applies to our use of the data, so we'd need the FAAs OK on what we are doing. I'd strongly suggest that you secure access to the data first, and then look at how to add it to FlightGear. That probably means reading the various docs in detail, talking to the FAA, and then finally to a data provider. I know this is probably boring and not as exciting as doing the actual technical work, but I'd hate for you to put in huge amounts of effort into writing an MP client only to find you have no access to the feeds at the end of the process because the FAA won't allow it. I'd be interested in helping out - I have a small amount of familiarity with the MP code. I doubt I'll be able to help you in talking to the FAA, as I'm not a US citizen, nor based in the USA. I suspect an bonefide US taxpayer might get a better response :). I think it is a great idea, and if it works, would be a wonderful way to improve the traffic over the USA. Good luck! -Stuart ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Programmatic control of AI traffic
Hi Stuart, Thomas, Oliver Firstly thank-you to everyone so far, some good ideas have been put forward and It is seeming more likely that this might work. I don't have access to a live feed but I'm hoping to get a delayed one perhaps, in the same way as fboweb @ http://www.fboweb.com/ has. I'll be looking into either hacking the mp-server or developing a specialised mp-client as suggested. I have a feeling that the hacked server might be quicker to get going but the client would be the way to go in the longer term. Thanks again to everyone, I appreciate your help very much. Barry. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Programmatic control of AI traffic
Tim Moore wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oliver Schroeder wrote: I really think, setting up a mp-client which feeds traffic is the right way to go. That way it does not matter, if the traffic is real or artificial. And best of all, flightgear itself does not need any changes at all. I'd be a bit concerned about the performance implications of this approach. If the intent is to run this program on the same machine as FlightGear, then there will need to be a fair amount of tuning to make sure that the real-time FlightGear performance isn't affected and that the AI program isn't starved at the same time. My impression is that the traffic manager is quite CPU intensive; perhaps that's skewed by initialization costs. It's still a good idea to have a separate program as an option, and many people have several computers laying around. But do think about the single machine case too, especially in the context of wanting to work well on three operating systems (Unix, Windows, OS X). I would think that the big benefit of having an MP client feeding traffic is that we'd only need one traffic client for all the people connected to MP around the world. Personally, I think that out-weighs the performance implications for those people not connected to MP who want AI traffic and who have to run a client locally. Having a separate client for traffic also has the benefit of allowing the user to prioritize my own flying over that of the AI traffic. I'd rather have the AI traffic stutter than my own aircraft. -Stuart ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Material animation problem
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:51:40 + Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm having problems with the following seemingly simple bit of animation (running the cvs osg version): animation object-nameWarnLoVolt/object-name object-nameWarnGen/object-name object-nameWarnLoOil/object-name object-nameWarnFuel/object-name object-nameWarnStarter/object-name condition not propertyinstrumentation/warning-panel/test/property /not /condition typematerial/type emission red0.0/red green0.0/green blue0.0/blue factor-propinstrumentation/warning-panel/brightness/factor-prop /emission /animation animation object-nameWarnLoVolt/object-name object-nameWarnGen/object-name object-nameWarnLoOil/object-name object-nameWarnFuel/object-name object-nameWarnStarter/object-name condition propertyinstrumentation/warning-panel/test/property /condition typematerial/type emission red1.0/red green0.0/green blue0.0/blue factor-propinstrumentation/warning-panel/brightness/factor-prop /emission /animation It's supposed to light all the lamps on a warning panel when the test button is pressed. If used as shown, the lamps never light. Switching the order of the 2 animation blocks results in the lamps lighting when the test switch is pressed - but they remain on when it is released (the controlling property value in the browser does change). With the lamps lit if the brightness is changed and the test button pressed again the brightness of the lamps changes - so the first animation can still be triggered - it appears that the second is always ignored though. Have I done something silly, or have I discovered a bug? IMHO, it's a bug. Sequence of material animation of one object work wrong. Suppopse, we have this code: animation typematerial/type object-namelamp/object-name emissive red1.0/red green1.0/green blue1.0/blue factor-propmycraft/lamp-flag/factor-prop /emissive /animation animation typematerial/type object-namelamp/object-name emissive red1.0/red green1.0/green blue1.0/blue factor-propmycraft/another-lamp-flag/factor-prop /emissive /animation Now, second animation not work at all. But some times ago (around half of year), such code work properly - object has control of last animation . I don't know - may be, rules of multiply animations of one objects was changed. It's appear only in OSG version, old PLIB branch work correct. -- Wbr, Yurik - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] More compile problems
Well I have sorted most of it out! But I am not sure how to sort out the following - apt_surface.cxx:345: error: âSum_Squareâ was not declared in this scope apt_surface.cxx:359: error: âResVarâ was not declared in this scope apt_surface.cxx:363: error: âclass Matrixâ has no member named âcolumnsâ apt_surface.cxx:363: error: âclass DiagonalMatrixâ has no member named âas_columnâ /usr/local/include/newmat/newmat.h: In member function âvoid TGAptSurface::fit()â: /usr/local/include/newmat/newmat.h:420: error: âint GeneralMatrix::nrowsâ is protected apt_surface.cxx:438: error: within this context apt_surface.cxx:438: error: â((TGAptSurface*)this)-TGAptSurface::surface_coefficients.ColumnVector::anonymous.Matrix::anonymous.GeneralMatrix::nrowsâ cannot be used as a function make[3]: *** [apt_surface.o] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/user/flightgear/terragear/src/Airports/GenAirports' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/user/flightgear/terragear/src/Airports' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/user/flightgear/terragear/src' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 Any pointers appreciated! Kind Regards, Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/06/07 09:10am Hello, After Curt kindly helping me to compile Terragear last Friday it was working lovely well until I tried to do a genapts, I did see on ./configure it said it needed newmats to generate airports so I read the README.newmats and got the correct packages and configured them and did another ./configure and it all worked but when I did a make I get the same error as here http://osdir.com/ml/games.flightgear.terragear.devel/2006-12/msg1.html But I am not sure I understand his solution could someone explain it in layman terms? Kind Regards, Will This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre on behalf of the Marshall Group of Companies. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre on behalf of the Marshall Group of Companies. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Backtrace dump
If I manage to provoke fg to go down, I get a rather good backtracedump - but i havnt been able to see how you make it happen. I often refer to the gdb batrace function when i want to have the information - but its kinda problematic when errors doesnt always appear...(and i dont want to have a core.dump file flying around...) How is it done? -- Yours kindly Tobias Nielsen - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Material animation problem
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 10:30:29 Yurik V. Nikiforoff wrote: Now, second animation not work at all. But some times ago (around half of year), such code work properly - object has control of last animation . I don't know - may be, rules of multiply animations of one objects was changed. It's appear only in OSG version, old PLIB branch work correct. Correct depends on your point of view ;-) To me, the above XML doesn't really make logical sense; at best it's confusing. The object should be controlled by one factor property, or (if you need extreme control) you can have a separate property to control each colour/alpha etc. The most straightforward thing to do wherever multiple factors control the lighting or brightness of an object is to use nasal. All the various permutations can be easily handled, and one clearly defined output property created. That way the animation XML should be very simple and very clear, and it will always work as expected. If one has written the nasal part correctly of course :-) Just my opinion, which counts for nothing... Cheers, AJ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] More compile problems
Any pointers appreciated! Try newmat11 instead of newmat10 Torsten - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] More compile problems
Hello, Thanks for that that has solved must of the errors, I am have configured 11 but I am getting the following error - apt_surface.cxx:359: error: 'ResVar' was not declared in this scope Is there something I need to adjust? Kind Regards, Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/06/07 13:32 PM Any pointers appreciated! Try newmat11 instead of newmat10 Torsten - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre on behalf of the Marshall Group of Companies. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] More compile problems
Am Dienstag, 6. November 2007 16:50 schrieb will Pink: Thanks for that that has solved must of the errors, I am have configured 11 but I am getting the following error - apt_surface.cxx:359: error: 'ResVar' was not declared in this scope Is there something I need to adjust? This is strange, since ResVar is declared in the very same method as a local variable, just 14 lines above. Does your apt_surface.cxx look like this, starting at line 343? ColumnVector A = U.i() * M; ColumnVector Fitted = X * A; Real ResVar = sum_square(Y1) / (nobs-npred1); // get variances of estimates U = U.i(); DiagonalMatrix D; D U * U.t(); Torsten - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] More compile problems
Yeap exacty like it ColumnVector A = U.i() * M; ColumnVector Fitted = X * A; Real resVar = sum_square(Y1) / (nobs-npred1); // get variances of estimates U = U.i(); DiagonalMatrix D; D U * U.t(); Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/06/07 04:13pm Am Dienstag, 6. November 2007 16:50 schrieb will Pink: Thanks for that that has solved must of the errors, I am have configured 11 but I am getting the following error - apt_surface.cxx:359: error: 'ResVar' was not declared in this scope Is there something I need to adjust? This is strange, since ResVar is declared in the very same method as a local variable, just 14 lines above. Does your apt_surface.cxx look like this, starting at line 343? ColumnVector A = U.i() * M; ColumnVector Fitted = X * A; Real ResVar = sum_square(Y1) / (nobs-npred1); // get variances of estimates U = U.i(); DiagonalMatrix D; D U * U.t(); Torsten - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre on behalf of the Marshall Group of Companies. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] More compile problems
Am Dienstag, 6. November 2007 18:03 schrieb will Pink: Yeap exacty like it ColumnVector A = U.i() * M; ColumnVector Fitted = X * A; Real resVar = sum_square(Y1) / (nobs-npred1); Nope! your resVar is lowercase and the compiler is complaining about an undeclared uppercase ResVar. I just checked that ResVar is declared as uppercase in CVS and yours is lowercase. Maybe you have modified the file? Try to checkout a fresh copy and try again. Good luck, Torsten - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] More compile problems
Thank you for both your efforts! It has now successfully compiled out of interest why are they the wrong characterers? Manuel Massing [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/06/07 05:18pm hi, ColumnVector A = U.i() * M; ColumnVector Fitted = X * A; Real resVar = sum_square(Y1) / (nobs-npred1); note the lower-case r in resVar. bye, Manuel This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre on behalf of the Marshall Group of Companies. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] minor view change: x y axes swapped in lookat mode
View definitions are supposed to follow these rules for positive values: x - right y - up z - back/aft but long ago (2003/02/06) a patch was committed, which swapped the meaning of x and y axis in lookat mode (that is: chase views and the aircraft following look from the tower). lookfrom remained correct. This change is now reverted and both lookat and lookfrom use the same coordinate system again. Some aircraft got used to the broken version, and I changed all of them, except R22/R22-set.xml Sikorsky-76C/s76c-base.xml ec135/ec135-set.xml because these seemed already to be (almost :-) correct. m. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Compilng flightgear on FC5
Hi, Has anyone successfully compiled flightgear on FC5. I need to do some development work on COMMS but I can't even get it to run on my FC5 box. The error it gives is something about an ALUT state when it is still initializing the subsystem. Nick - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compilng flightgear on FC5
I just did it on FC 6, but I haven't tried FC 5. Lee Nick Othieno wrote: Hi, Has anyone successfully compiled flightgear on FC5. I need to do some development work on COMMS but I can't even get it to run on my FC5 box. The error it gives is something about an ALUT state when it is still initializing the subsystem. Nick - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compilng flightgear on FC5
Thanks,. If all goes bad I'll just upgrade to FC6 or FC7. Do you know anyone who has tried it on FC7 and got it working. On Nov 6, 2007 9:17 PM, Lee Duke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did it on FC 6, but I haven't tried FC 5. Lee Nick Othieno wrote: Hi, Has anyone successfully compiled flightgear on FC5. I need to do some development work on COMMS but I can't even get it to run on my FC5 box. The error it gives is something about an ALUT state when it is still initializing the subsystem. Nick - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compilng flightgear on FC5
I just did it on FC 6, but I haven't tried FC 5. Lee Nick Othieno wrote: Hi, Has anyone successfully compiled flightgear on FC5. I need to do some development work on COMMS but I can't even get it to run on my FC5 box. The error it gives is something about an ALUT state when it is still initializing the subsystem. Nick - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compilng flightgear on FC5
Nah. I've been putting it off myself. It's always such a painful excursion into computer hell. Lee Nick Othieno wrote: Thanks,. If all goes bad I'll just upgrade to FC6 or FC7. Do you know anyone who has tried it on FC7 and got it working. On Nov 6, 2007 9:17 PM, Lee Duke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did it on FC 6, but I haven't tried FC 5. Lee Nick Othieno wrote: Hi, Has anyone successfully compiled flightgear on FC5. I need to do some development work on COMMS but I can't even get it to run on my FC5 box. The error it gives is something about an ALUT state when it is still initializing the subsystem. Nick - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Programmatic control of AI traffic
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 09:25, Oliver Schroeder wrote: I really think, setting up a mp-client which feeds traffic is the right way to go. That way it does not matter, if the traffic is real or artificial. And best of all, flightgear itself does not need any changes at all. In fact, that was the reason why I tried to introduce a new pseudo-FDM into flightgear (well, especially I wanted to turn the AI-Nimitz into a real MP-client). I fully agree. To FlightGear it would be visible as multiplayer aircraft, coming in over the network. There would be some special cases to consider, but the general infrastructure of the multiplayer server could serve as a template for an AI server as well. While the feeded vehicle is in the air, there are no problems at all. But when approaching ground, or the vehicle is bound to the ground, there is one obstacle: The used terrain. In order to have the vehicle exactly on ground, the client must have the same terrain data which flightgear has. Therefor I thought of flightgear itself as the feeder. If you somehow manage to get the terrain ripped of in some kind of library, it would be possible to build just any kind of feeder via the mp-protocoll. Assuming that AI aircraft behave in a reasonably sane fashion, you'd only need to take care of elevation points across the runways and taxiways. These data could be sampled straight from the flightgear scenery, and perhaps stored locally on the server machine. Cheers, Durk - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Programmatic control of AI traffic
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 10:41, Tim Moore wrote: I'd be a bit concerned about the performance implications of this approach. If the intent is to run this program on the same machine as FlightGear, then there will need to be a fair amount of tuning to make sure that the real-time FlightGear performance isn't affected and that the AI program isn't starved at the same time. My impression is that the traffic manager is quite CPU intensive; perhaps that's skewed by initialization costs. The traffic manager subsystem itself not so much as the AIModels system that eventually drives it. In this respect, there is still a lot of room for optimization. A particular problem with the integrated solution is that both the traffic manager and the AI models code occasionally need peaks of CPU activity, in particular during flightplan creation. Although it would be possible to spread the load across multiple frames, doing so is a lot harder within flightgear than doing this as a separate program. It's still a good idea to have a separate program as an option, and many people have several computers laying around. But do think about the single machine case too, especially in the context of wanting to work well on three operating systems (Unix, Windows, OS X). Agreed. I don't think that the integrated version will disappear soon. :-) Cheers, Durk - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Programmatic control of AI traffic
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 20:22, Durk Talsma wrote: Assuming that AI aircraft behave in a reasonably sane fashion, you'd only need to take care of elevation points across the runways and taxiways. These data could be sampled straight from the flightgear scenery, and perhaps stored locally on the server machine. Oh, one thing I did forget to mention: One thing that a traffic server would require is metar parsing, so that AI traffic would make sensible runway selections. Cheers, Durk - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Programmatic control of AI traffic
On Nov 6, 2007 8:22 PM, Durk Talsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assuming that AI aircraft behave in a reasonably sane fashion, you'd only need to take care of elevation points across the runways and taxiways. These data could be sampled straight from the flightgear scenery, and perhaps stored locally on the server machine. Actually when I worked on the ground radar I was puzzled why this is not part of apt.dat.gz. -- Csaba/Jester - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Programmatic control of AI traffic
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 06:56, Durk Talsma wrote: On Monday 05 November 2007 16:50, Csaba Halász wrote: On 11/5/07, Heiko Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Though I can't help you, it sounds for me like a very good feature for FlightGear! Real weather - real traffic - would be great! Yeah! How about setting up an mp-server feeding in real traffic? Or even just AI? So that every client would see the same traffic. Note: This is moving into a slightly different topic, but still interesting enough to mention, I hope. I've been thinking about this idea for some time now; separate out the intelligent part of the AI code into a separate program, and run this as a dedicated standalone program that feeds aircraft positions into flightgear. This would solve many initialization problems, because the server could run completely independently of FlightGear itself. If somebody would care to assist in working out the details of the networking code, I'd be happy to investigate the possibilities of setting up a dedicated AI traffic server. Cheers, Durk FWIW, I think that separating out as many FG subsystems as possible would be a very good way to go, especially in view of how CPU development is now solidly focussed on multiple core CPUs rather than ramping processing speeds, as was inevitable in the longer term. Re this particular subsystem, it might be worth also thinking about handling some of the weather stuff i.e. 3d clouds, storms and thermals, so these are also consistant over MP. LeeE - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compilng flightgear on FC5
Flightgear works like a charm on Fedora 7. Wim On 11/6/07, Nick Othieno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks,. If all goes bad I'll just upgrade to FC6 or FC7. Do you know anyone who has tried it on FC7 and got it working. On Nov 6, 2007 9:17 PM, Lee Duke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did it on FC 6, but I haven't tried FC 5. Lee Nick Othieno wrote: Hi, Has anyone successfully compiled flightgear on FC5. I need to do some development work on COMMS but I can't even get it to run on my FC5 box. The error it gives is something about an ALUT state when it is still initializing the subsystem. Nick - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Avoid hangovers - stay drunk! - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Programmatic control of AI traffic
hmmm... good idea for mp and network. But it still costs money to have internet and maybe some flightschools, which want to use FGFS don't want this because. I think there should be still a possibility to have this all on one pc without network. HHS --- leee [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Tuesday 06 November 2007 06:56, Durk Talsma wrote: On Monday 05 November 2007 16:50, Csaba Halász wrote: On 11/5/07, Heiko Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Though I can't help you, it sounds for me like a very good feature for FlightGear! Real weather - real traffic - would be great! Yeah! How about setting up an mp-server feeding in real traffic? Or even just AI? So that every client would see the same traffic. Note: This is moving into a slightly different topic, but still interesting enough to mention, I hope. I've been thinking about this idea for some time now; separate out the intelligent part of the AI code into a separate program, and run this as a dedicated standalone program that feeds aircraft positions into flightgear. This would solve many initialization problems, because the server could run completely independently of FlightGear itself. If somebody would care to assist in working out the details of the networking code, I'd be happy to investigate the possibilities of setting up a dedicated AI traffic server. Cheers, Durk FWIW, I think that separating out as many FG subsystems as possible would be a very good way to go, especially in view of how CPU development is now solidly focussed on multiple core CPUs rather than ramping processing speeds, as was inevitable in the longer term. Re this particular subsystem, it might be worth also thinking about handling some of the weather stuff i.e. 3d clouds, storms and thermals, so these are also consistant over MP. LeeE - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel __ Ihr erstes Fernweh? Wo gibt es den schönsten Strand? www.yahoo.de/clever - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Programmatic control of AI traffic
There's no reason why it shouldn't run on the same box as FG - it could communicate via loopback or localhost. Ideally, FG would automatically start a local process to use if a net or lan server isn't specified. LeeE On Tuesday 06 November 2007 20:17, Heiko Schulz wrote: hmmm... good idea for mp and network. But it still costs money to have internet and maybe some flightschools, which want to use FGFS don't want this because. I think there should be still a possibility to have this all on one pc without network. HHS --- leee [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Tuesday 06 November 2007 06:56, Durk Talsma wrote: On Monday 05 November 2007 16:50, Csaba Halász wrote: On 11/5/07, Heiko Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Though I can't help you, it sounds for me like a very good feature for FlightGear! Real weather - real traffic - would be great! Yeah! How about setting up an mp-server feeding in real traffic? Or even just AI? So that every client would see the same traffic. Note: This is moving into a slightly different topic, but still interesting enough to mention, I hope. I've been thinking about this idea for some time now; separate out the intelligent part of the AI code into a separate program, and run this as a dedicated standalone program that feeds aircraft positions into flightgear. This would solve many initialization problems, because the server could run completely independently of FlightGear itself. If somebody would care to assist in working out the details of the networking code, I'd be happy to investigate the possibilities of setting up a dedicated AI traffic server. Cheers, Durk FWIW, I think that separating out as many FG subsystems as possible would be a very good way to go, especially in view of how CPU development is now solidly focussed on multiple core CPUs rather than ramping processing speeds, as was inevitable in the longer term. Re this particular subsystem, it might be worth also thinking about handling some of the weather stuff i.e. 3d clouds, storms and thermals, so these are also consistant over MP. LeeE - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel __ Ihr erstes Fernweh? Wo gibt es den schönsten Strand? www.yahoo.de/clever - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Programmatic control of AI traffic
I'm not so keen on computing and programming - so if this works good, I don't see any problems! --- LeeE [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: There's no reason why it shouldn't run on the same box as FG - it could communicate via loopback or localhost. Ideally, FG would automatically start a local process to use if a net or lan server isn't specified. LeeE On Tuesday 06 November 2007 20:17, Heiko Schulz wrote: hmmm... good idea for mp and network. But it still costs money to have internet and maybe some flightschools, which want to use FGFS don't want this because. I think there should be still a possibility to have this all on one pc without network. HHS --- leee [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Tuesday 06 November 2007 06:56, Durk Talsma wrote: On Monday 05 November 2007 16:50, Csaba Halász wrote: On 11/5/07, Heiko Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Though I can't help you, it sounds for me like a very good feature for FlightGear! Real weather - real traffic - would be great! Yeah! How about setting up an mp-server feeding in real traffic? Or even just AI? So that every client would see the same traffic. Note: This is moving into a slightly different topic, but still interesting enough to mention, I hope. I've been thinking about this idea for some time now; separate out the intelligent part of the AI code into a separate program, and run this as a dedicated standalone program that feeds aircraft positions into flightgear. This would solve many initialization problems, because the server could run completely independently of FlightGear itself. If somebody would care to assist in working out the details of the networking code, I'd be happy to investigate the possibilities of setting up a dedicated AI traffic server. Cheers, Durk FWIW, I think that separating out as many FG subsystems as possible would be a very good way to go, especially in view of how CPU development is now solidly focussed on multiple core CPUs rather than ramping processing speeds, as was inevitable in the longer term. Re this particular subsystem, it might be worth also thinking about handling some of the weather stuff i.e. 3d clouds, storms and thermals, so these are also consistant over MP. LeeE - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel __ Ihr erstes Fernweh? Wo gibt es den schönsten Strand? www.yahoo.de/clever - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel __ Ihr erstes Baby? Holen Sie sich Tipps von anderen Eltern. www.yahoo.de/clever - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main main.cxx, 1.246, 1.247
* Melchior Franz -- Tuesday 06 November 2007: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/Main In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv15887/src/Main Modified Files: main.cxx Log Message: Merge branch 'master' of ../.fg.osg Whoops, this was an accident with my git-cvs gateway, sorry. :-) Message is meanwhile fixed in cvs. It should have been: move event_mgr and view_mgr bundle right before the requestRedraw() This fixes the last jitter problems with views attached to MP/AI objects, and doesn't seem to cause any new ones. m. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Programmatic control of AI traffic
I'm not so keen on computing and programming - so if this works good, I don't see any problems! --- LeeE [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: There's no reason why it shouldn't run on the same box as FG - it could communicate via loopback or localhost. Ideally, FG would automatically start a local process to use if a net or lan server isn't specified. LeeE On Tuesday 06 November 2007 20:17, Heiko Schulz wrote: hmmm... good idea for mp and network. But it still costs money to have internet and maybe some flightschools, which want to use FGFS don't want this because. I think there should be still a possibility to have this all on one pc without network. HHS --- leee [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Tuesday 06 November 2007 06:56, Durk Talsma wrote: On Monday 05 November 2007 16:50, Csaba Halász wrote: On 11/5/07, Heiko Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Though I can't help you, it sounds for me like a very good feature for FlightGear! Real weather - real traffic - would be great! Yeah! How about setting up an mp-server feeding in real traffic? Or even just AI? So that every client would see the same traffic. Note: This is moving into a slightly different topic, but still interesting enough to mention, I hope. I've been thinking about this idea for some time now; separate out the intelligent part of the AI code into a separate program, and run this as a dedicated standalone program that feeds aircraft positions into flightgear. This would solve many initialization problems, because the server could run completely independently of FlightGear itself. If somebody would care to assist in working out the details of the networking code, I'd be happy to investigate the possibilities of setting up a dedicated AI traffic server. Cheers, Durk FWIW, I think that separating out as many FG subsystems as possible would be a very good way to go, especially in view of how CPU development is now solidly focussed on multiple core CPUs rather than ramping processing speeds, as was inevitable in the longer term. Re this particular subsystem, it might be worth also thinking about handling some of the weather stuff i.e. 3d clouds, storms and thermals, so these are also consistant over MP. LeeE - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel __ Ihr erstes Fernweh? Wo gibt es den schönsten Strand? www.yahoo.de/clever - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wagen? Versuchen Sie´s mit dem neuen Yahoo! Mail. www.yahoo.de/mail - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Strange sound performance with recent cvs update
I just did a cvs up -dP for SimGear, fgfs, and data and then compiled both for the plib branch. There is a strange worble in the sound that gets worse at high angles of attach. This was not there after a similar update last weekend. I have only checked the pa24 for this so far. Sounds on the ground seem normal. Dave Perry - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Strange sound performance with recent cvs update
dave perry wrote: I just did a cvs up -dP for SimGear, fgfs, and data and then compiled both for the plib branch. There is a strange worble in the sound that gets worse at high angles of attach. This was not there after a similar update last weekend. I have only checked the pa24 for this so far. Sounds on the ground seem normal. (Should have been angle of attack) Just checked the SenecaII and the pa28. The SenecaII seemed not to have this and the pa28 did have it. It is especially noticeable with the stall warning for the pa28 and pa24, put also with the flap sound and gear sound for the pa24. You can hear it in the background noise as you approach an accelerated stall even before the stall warning comes on. Has the wind sound been changed recently? Is anyone else experiencing this? Dave Perry - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Strange sound performance with recent cvs update
* dave perry -- Wednesday 07 November 2007: Is anyone else experiencing this? Yes. Must have been one the two subsystem re-ordering changes. I'll look into it. m. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
