[Flightgear-devel] Bugs: starship
## Heading Bug Selecting a new heading caused a "violent" roll. ## Altitute Hold Selecting a new altitude causes the aircraft to bounce a few times before settling. ## NAV1 - VOR Selecting a new VOR/Course cause the aircraft to roll violently ## NAV1 - Localiser When a approaching the runway, the aircraft seems to turn too late, and overshoots. It them osicillates to the left and right of runway a few times befor crash landing. The glideslope seems to be behaving properly regards pete -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Bugs: beech99-yasim
## Startup message > Cannot find image file "/home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/FOO" ## Heading Bug Selecting a new heading causes the aircraft to oscillate wildly as it turns. (broken) The autopilot overshoots the required heading by around 5 degree, before moving slowly back to its required course correctly ## Autothrottle The "speed with throttle" change seems too fast and unrealistic on small changes eg 140 to 1500 knots, or it that how this aircraft behaves. ## Altitude hold Selecing a new altitiude causes the aircraft to "bounce" violently , particular at 160knots+ -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bugs: A320
syd adams wrote: > Looks like your biggest problems are autopilot... what kind of > framerate do you normally get ? Yes, my area of focus is the autopilot, navaids. I'm getting generally around 20+, but sometimes as low as 15 on this olde box. Does the frame rate really mess up the autopilot that much ?? > Have you tried tuning them yourself ? > The autopilots behave pretty well for me at 20-30 fps , except for a > few issues with some of mine that I haven't tuned up yet. > > This is unrealistic behaviour. > > > Is this opinion from real world experience ? If so , maybe an > explanation of how it should work would be more productive... In a lot of instances, the oscillation is totally unrealistic, and in my opinion if the scenario were real world, flying would not be a pleasent experience. I have tried tuning them myself, but it seems a long process, and am still trying to understand how it works instead of just hitting random figures to see if it improves. > NAV ARM doesn't immediately go to NAV HOLD until you are within a > certain distance from the course offset... it will remain on the > current setting until that happens. Am confused by what you mean? With flying around london and all it VOR's considered within range at 3000 ft, it still does not goto NAV HOLD. regards Pete > > And glideslope will not capture unless the localizer has been first. > > > -- > Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the > world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference > attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through > interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev > > > ___ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Bugs: Citation-II
## Startup error Nasal error: could not read script file /home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/Citation/Nasal/Electrical.nas into module annunciator ## Autopilot Broken Following startup error Failed to load autopilot configuration: /home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/Citation/Autopilot.xml:Failed to open file Am curious why this is in the Citation directory and not Citation-II ? regards Pete -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bugs: A320
Looks like your biggest problems are autopilot... what kind of framerate do you normally get ? Have you tried tuning them yourself ? The autopilots behave pretty well for me at 20-30 fps , except for a few issues with some of mine that I haven't tuned up yet. This is unrealistic behaviour. Is this opinion from real world experience ? If so , maybe an explanation of how it should work would be more productive... While I haven't looked at it yet , the ADF needle should be pointing at relative 90 degrees until a valid signal is in range. NAV ARM doesn't immediately go to NAV HOLD until you are within a certain distance from the course offset... it will remain on the current setting until that happens. And glideslope will not capture unless the localizer has been first. -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Bugs: MD11
## Model Broken The engine cowling looks like propellers and are rottating on all the engines in an offset strange way. ## Panel error On startup there is output Error reading panel: Failed to open file at /home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/737/Panels/737-ifr-panel.xml Error reading new panel from Aircraft/737/Panels/737-ifr-panel.xml ## Autopilot - broken The autopilot does not work , as startup reports the error malformed autopilot definition - unrecognized node:target in section True Heading Hold (DG based) Stage 1 Failed to load autopilot configuration: /home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/MD11/MD11-autopilot.xml:XMLAuto: unrecognized component node:target regards Pete -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Bugs: A380
## Startup and recurring errors. There are numerous start up error/warnings, and "Error drawing more current than available!" that is constantly ouptut till fg is terminated. See bottom below for full listing. ## Autopilot The autopilot is broken with malformed autopilot definition - unrecognized node:target in section True Heading Hold (DG based) Stage 1 Failed to load autopilot configuration: /home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/A380/A380-autopilot.xml:XMLAuto: Startup (snipped in places) fgfs --aircraft=A280 osgDB ac3d reader: detected surface with less than 3 vertices! texture->name=ENDPLATE.rgb, _directory=/home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/A380/XML/Wings/../../Models/Wings texture->name=ENDPLATE.rgb, _directory=/home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/A380/XML/Wings/../../Models/Wings texture 'ENDPLATE.rgb' not found texture->name=CONE.RGB, _directory=/home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/A380/Engines/XML/../Models texture->name=CONE.RGB, _directory=/home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/A380/Engines/XML/../Models texture->name=COWLING.RGB, _directory=/home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/A380/XML/Wings/../../Models/Wings texture->name=COWLING.RGB, _directory=/home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/A380/XML/Wings/../../Models/Wings texture 'COWLING.RGB' not found texture->name=BYPASS.RGB, _directory=/home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/A380/XML/Wings/../../Models/Wings texture->name=BYPASS.RGB, _directory=/home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/A380/XML/Wings/../../Models/Wings texture 'BYPASS.RGB' not found Could not find at least one of the following objects for animation: alfa_minus Could not find at least one of the following objects for animation: alfa_minus1 Could not find at least one of the following objects for animation: alfa.001 Could not find at least one of the following objects for animation: alfa.001 Could not find at least one of the following objects for animation: alfa.002 Could not find at least one of the following objects for animation: alfa.003 texture->name=white.rgb, _directory=/home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/A380/XML/FlightDeck/Overhead/../../../Models/FlightDeck/Overhead texture->name=white.rgb, _directory=/home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/A380/XML/FlightDeck/Overhead/../../../Models/FlightDeck/Overhead texture->name=flap.rgb, _directory=/home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/A380/XML/FlightDeck/Pedestal/../../../Models/FlightDeck/Pedestal texture->name=flap.rgb, _directory=/home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/A380/XML/FlightDeck/Pedestal/../../../Models/FlightDeck/Pedestal texture->name=flap.rgb, _directory=/home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/A380/XML/FlightDeck/Pedestal/../../../Models/FlightDeck/Pedestal texture->name=flap.rgb, _directory=/home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/A380/XML/FlightDeck/Pedestal/../../../Models/FlightDeck/Pedestal malformed autopilot definition - unrecognized node:target in section True Heading Hold (DG based) Stage 1 Failed to load autopilot configuration: /home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/A380/A380-autopilot.xml:XMLAuto: unrecognized component node:target loading scenario 'nimitz_demo' creating 3D noise texture... DONE Initial
[Flightgear-devel] Bugs: A320
## Autopilot - Heading bug When selecting a new heading, the the aircraft moved violently left right for a few moments, before settling into the bank angle. --- The autopilot overshoots its new heading, before very slowly moving back to the correct heading, although it always seems to be out by a few degrees?? ## Altitude Hold When selecting a new altitude, eg 2000 to 1500, then the aircraft dips down suddenly, and then bounces up and downa few times, before settling into new angle. This is unrealistic behaviour. ## NAV1 CD Course tracking VOR Selecting/engaging the NAV hold, causes the aircraft to move violently for a few moments, till settling into new bank angle. -- The course correction is to fine and it seems to take a long track, the last 2 degree of correction takes a looong time, until being correct at VOR station. - Passing over a NAV/VOR station caused the aircraft to jerk violently, followed by some wobble over the next 30 seconds or so. ## NAV1 Approach localiser The aircraft turns violently on selection, until settling into a steady turn --- The aircraft oscillators left to right on approach, trying to correct even more and more until it crashes. -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bugs: CitationX
On Fri, 2010-01-22 at 04:59 +, Pete Morgan wrote: > This is another cool plane, but the autopilot is also a bit confused. > *** Nav Hold - VOR track *** > Passing over a NAV/VOR station causes the aircraft to violently wobble > for a few moments. > --- > Intermittently, the aircraft will enter a wobble/ossilation for a new > moments, then continue as normal. >From what I've read in autopilot manuals this is fairly common real-world behavior... The manual (can't recall which one atm) suggested switching to heading hold for station passage. > *** Minor Bugs *** > When the autopilot dialog is first presented, the HDG BUG value has no > value (not even zero, blank). Expected would be the current aircraft > heading. HDG BUG should probably be what the last pilot left it set to as opposed to current aircraft heading? My $ 0.02 Ron -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Bugs: 747-400
### Model Broken The model is broken, the captain is sitting with no left panel, just runway below. There are a lot of startup error probably causing this (see bottom ### Wing leveler The yoke oscillates from side to side nicely at around 60bpm, however over a very long period of time eg 5 minutes +++ it does eventually settle down to very little oscillation. ### Heading Bug The heading bug is broken and needs tuning as during a turn it oscillates. ### Altitude hold. When changing the altitude, eg from 1000, to 2000, then the autopilot osciallates, even in the ascent/descent eg picth up+3, then +5 then +2 then + etc At the top/bottom of a change, it them osilattes with over/under shooting, and eventually settles after a couple of minutes ### Navaids I cannot see how to present the navaide, VOR, ADF etc on the glass cockpit as there are no switches I can activate (or I'm missing something) regards Pete --- >> fgfs --aircraft=747-400 osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture "overhead_panel_orig.png" Could not find at least one of the following objects for animation: wlg_right_door.1 Could not find at least one of the following objects for animation: wlg_right_door.2 Could not find at least one of the following objects for animation: wlg_right_door.2 Could not find at least one of the following objects for animation: wlg_left_door.1 Could not find at least one of the following objects for animation: wlg_left_door.2 Could not find at least one of the following objects for animation: wlg_left_door.2 Failed to load file: "Aircraft/747-400/Models/Effects/smoke.xml" Failed to load file: "Aircraft/747-400/Models/Effects/smoke.xml" Failed to load file: "Aircraft/747-400/Models/Effects/smoke.xml" Failed to load file: "Aircraft/747-400/Models/Effects/smoke.xml" Initializing Doors -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bugs: Bravo
Rob Shearman, Jr. wrote:
> Pete Morgan:
> > "{re: http://tinypic.com/r/dndoip/6} The Path in Orange is the path the
> > NAV hold took roughly to approach Barkway, indeed at the screenshot
> > time it was still out. The yellow line is the path I would have
> expected.
> > Ie the correction is not agressive enough, and the final fine correction
> > seem to take a lot of track."
>
> I'm not an expert, but is the "coarse course correction" really
> supposed to be at almost a 90-degree angle as the yellow line
> predicts? I always felt that the max course correction angle was
> closer to 30 degrees at full deflection -- meaning that the orange
> line is not too far off from what I would have expected. I could be
> wrong, but a 90-degree correction just seems extreme. I guess someone
> who knows more about the workings of the Primus1000 can comment for sure?
>
max course correction angle is 10 degree at the moment I think. That
line was a guestimate.
30 would be more sensible. I cannot quite figure out where that value is
within the XML. This is new terittory.
pete
> Cheers,
> -R.
>
> Robert M. Shearman, Jr.
> Transit Operations Supervisor,
> University of Maryland Department of Transportation
> also known as rm...@umd.edu
>
>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bugs: Bravo
Pete Morgan:
> "{re: http://tinypic.com/r/dndoip/6} The Path in Orange is the path the
> NAV hold took roughly to approach Barkway, indeed at the screenshot
> time it was still out. The yellow line is the path I would have expected.
> Ie the correction is not agressive enough, and the final fine correction
> seem to take a lot of track."
I'm not an expert, but is the "coarse course correction" really supposed to be
at almost a 90-degree angle as the yellow line predicts? I always felt that
the max course correction angle was closer to 30 degrees at full deflection --
meaning that the orange line is not too far off from what I would have
expected. I could be wrong, but a 90-degree correction just seems extreme. I
guess someone who knows more about the workings of the Primus1000 can comment
for sure?
Cheers,
-R.
Robert M. Shearman, Jr.
Transit Operations Supervisor,
University of Maryland Department of Transportation
also known as rm...@umd.edu
From: Pete Morgan
To: FlightGear developers discussions
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 10:51:50 PM
Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Bugs: Bravo
Bravo is one of my favourite aircraft, however the autopilot has a few
bugs. I've tried hacking some of this, but am not experienced in what to
change. So I will be following any changes or fixes below with a keen
interest.
*** Heading Hold is "wobbly" ***
At higher speeds, eg 220+ knots the Heading Hold starts to "wobble"
slightly, and sometimes gets into a "full osscialtion". When in an
osscialtion" a new heading, makes the aircraft turn smothly and cancel
ossilation.
Creating the wobble on demand is difficult as the problem seems
intermittent, however, a change in direction, or a change in speed can
"trigger" the effect. Likewise, just leaving the aircraft fly along and
after a few minutes the wobble can appear, maybe caused by turbulence.
*** Nav Hold VOR ***
The Nav Hold also has some "wobble", mostly when turning, although must
less than Heading Hold and sometimes gets into ossilation, sometimes
just a short burst.
--
When passing over a VOR station, the aircraft wobbles violently.
I'm a bit confused, as the change into a new course takes a long time
to correct. My experiment was over London, and as I cant explain this in
words, I 've made a link to this image below.
http://tinypic.com/r/dndoip/6
The intention was to approach daventry 116.4 at 90, then at deventry,
set course to Barkway 116.25 at 90
The first part in green shown the aircraft on a Heading Hold of 180, I
switched to Nav hold, and the aircraft then continued at 180, then
turned into the Daventry 90 degree as expected indicated by the purple line.
The Path in Orange is the path the NAV hold took roughly to approach
Barkway, indeed at the screenshot time it was still out. The yellow line
is the path I would have expected.
Ie the correction is not agressive enough, and the final fine correction
seem to take a lot of track.
*** Nav Hold - Localizer ***
Localizer- A NAV on a locliser, seems to turn and behave as expected.
This is what above needs to do ;-)
-
When approaching ILS localiser, the navigation wobbles slightly. It
also can sometimes oscillate to the left and right of the approach.
---
Just following the localiser, ie NOT the glideslope, eg at 1000ft, then
the aircraft will fly along runway. Once over the localiser, I would
expect the aircraft to continue on the same heading but instead, it goes
off all sorts of places.
eg Alt at 1000ft with localiser to Heathrow 27L, it approached ok, near
the end of the runway it turned right 20 degree, then immedeatley left
until heading at 90, parallel to runway, then for some reason, a while
later turned south heading 180. I would have expected it to just
continue at 270.
-*** Glide Slope ***
Glide Slope - Am unsure how to engage the glideslope, clicking VNAV has
no effect until APPR has been pressed, etc..
-
When the glideslope is engaged, then the aircraft nose ossilates up and
down from 0 to -4 and makes me feel sick.
*** Altitude hold ***
When changing altitude then there is a bounce.
eg changing from 2000 to 1000 cause the aircraft to immedeately tip
down, then bounce up and down a few times before settling on descent angle.
*** ADF ***
The ADF pointer, selected left of the PFD does not point correctly,
indeed I'm not sure where its pointing at ?. Its not NAV1?
Regards
Pete
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Many updates to the pa24-250
Gijs de Rooy: > "One small thing seems to be missing though, the payload does not change when > baggage is loaded. ;)" Dave Perry: > "Yeah, I have not figured out how to change that." Torsten Dreyer: > "Just write the weight in lbs to /sim/weight[4]/weight-lb. I wonder, what's > in those suitcases..." Dave Perry: > "That works! It will be in my next patch. BTW, 122 lbs of pixels." It reminds me of the old adage: "Which weighs more; a pound of bricks, or a pound of pixels?" ;-) Cheers, -R. Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Bug: 747
--aircraft=747 The autopilot xml has a bug, so autopilot does not work.. At the command line it shows >> malformed autopilot definition - unrecognized node:target in section True Heading Hold (DG based) Stage 1 Failed to load autopilot configuration: /home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/747/747-autopilot.xml:XMLAuto: unrecognized component node:target regards Pete -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Bugs: CitationX
This is another cool plane, but the autopilot is also a bit confused. *** IAS BUG SPD *** Speed hold has no effect and is inoperative. *** Altitude Hold *** When selecting a new altitude, eg 1000 to 1100 then the aircraft tip up/down almost immediately, indeed each click causes the "aim" to change. This is unrealistic behaviour. On the other side, ie nearing the requested altitude (eg a change from 1000 to 2000), then the last 100 feet or so takes a long gentle time, maybe too long, but it feels realistic. *** Heading Hold *** Wobbles intermittently above 350 knots, 400 knots + and it can crash the aircraft. *** Nav Button *** When clicking the NAV button on the autopilot dialog, sometimes it show "NAV-ARM" and flies of on HDG bug instead. From this stage its difficult to re-engage NAV HOLD, although some "combination" of NAV/HDG etc will make NAV-ARM go away. *** Nav Hold - VOR track *** Passing over a NAV/VOR station causes the aircraft to violently wobble for a few moments. --- Intermittently, the aircraft will enter a wobble/ossilation for a new moments, then continue as normal. *** ADF *** Selecting ADF above the PFD, causes the needle to point somewhere. That somewhere is not an ADF station or VOR, not sure what it pointing at? *** APPR/Glideslope *** I cannot engage the VNAV/APPR to follow a glide slope. With LOC-ARM and approaching the localiser, all sorts of stuff happens that I cannot explain, the aicraft goes nuts and generally crashes the aircraft. *** Minor Bugs *** When the autopilot dialog is first presented, the HDG BUG value has no value (not even zero, blank). Expected would be the current aircraft heading. Regards Pete -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Bugs: Bravo
Bravo is one of my favourite aircraft, however the autopilot has a few bugs. I've tried hacking some of this, but am not experienced in what to change. So I will be following any changes or fixes below with a keen interest. *** Heading Hold is "wobbly" *** At higher speeds, eg 220+ knots the Heading Hold starts to "wobble" slightly, and sometimes gets into a "full osscialtion". When in an osscialtion" a new heading, makes the aircraft turn smothly and cancel ossilation. Creating the wobble on demand is difficult as the problem seems intermittent, however, a change in direction, or a change in speed can "trigger" the effect. Likewise, just leaving the aircraft fly along and after a few minutes the wobble can appear, maybe caused by turbulence. *** Nav Hold VOR *** The Nav Hold also has some "wobble", mostly when turning, although must less than Heading Hold and sometimes gets into ossilation, sometimes just a short burst. -- When passing over a VOR station, the aircraft wobbles violently. I'm a bit confused, as the change into a new course takes a long time to correct. My experiment was over London, and as I cant explain this in words, I 've made a link to this image below. http://tinypic.com/r/dndoip/6 The intention was to approach daventry 116.4 at 90, then at deventry, set course to Barkway 116.25 at 90 The first part in green shown the aircraft on a Heading Hold of 180, I switched to Nav hold, and the aircraft then continued at 180, then turned into the Daventry 90 degree as expected indicated by the purple line. The Path in Orange is the path the NAV hold took roughly to approach Barkway, indeed at the screenshot time it was still out. The yellow line is the path I would have expected. Ie the correction is not agressive enough, and the final fine correction seem to take a lot of track. *** Nav Hold - Localizer *** Localizer- A NAV on a locliser, seems to turn and behave as expected. This is what above needs to do ;-) - When approaching ILS localiser, the navigation wobbles slightly. It also can sometimes oscillate to the left and right of the approach. --- Just following the localiser, ie NOT the glideslope, eg at 1000ft, then the aircraft will fly along runway. Once over the localiser, I would expect the aircraft to continue on the same heading but instead, it goes off all sorts of places. eg Alt at 1000ft with localiser to Heathrow 27L, it approached ok, near the end of the runway it turned right 20 degree, then immedeatley left until heading at 90, parallel to runway, then for some reason, a while later turned south heading 180. I would have expected it to just continue at 270. -*** Glide Slope *** Glide Slope - Am unsure how to engage the glideslope, clicking VNAV has no effect until APPR has been pressed, etc.. - When the glideslope is engaged, then the aircraft nose ossilates up and down from 0 to -4 and makes me feel sick. *** Altitude hold *** When changing altitude then there is a bounce. eg changing from 2000 to 1000 cause the aircraft to immedeately tip down, then bounce up and down a few times before settling on descent angle. *** ADF *** The ADF pointer, selected left of the PFD does not point correctly, indeed I'm not sure where its pointing at ?. Its not NAV1? Regards Pete -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] External FDM and Multiplayer simultaneously?
All - I have read what I could on this, but I'm stuck... I can see multiplayer input that I send as long as I don't use an external FDM, and I can see the external FDM whenever I turn it on, but I don't see the multiplayer when I am using external FDM. For the external FDM only, I start Flightgear with: fgfs.exe --aircraft= Dragonfly --fdm=external --native-fdm=socket,in,25,,25505,udp (and I see the flight of the fdm packets I send on UDP port 25505) For multiplayer only, I start Flightgear with: fgfs.exe --aircraft=Dragonfly --airport=KDTS --runway=14 --bpp=32 --callsign=Biff --multiplay=in,10,biff,5000 (and I see the flight of the MP packets I send on UDP port 5000 while the internal fdm airplane sits at the end of the runway) For both together, I start Flightgear with: fgfs.exe --aircraft=Dragonfly --airport=KDTS --runway=14 --fdm=external --bpp=32 --callsign=Biff --multiplay=in,10,biff,5000 --native-fdm=socket,in,25,,25505,udp (and I only see the flight of the fdm packets I send on UDP port 25505, but the MP aircraft does not appear at all) In all three cases, I use the same program to send the UDP data to Flightgear. Am I starting it wrong, or does Flightgear not want to use MP and external FDM at the same time? It acts like it doesn't even try MP with external FDM turned on... Regards, - Gary -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bugs: 787
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:18 AM, Pete Morgan wrote: > Something has changed recently as I now get these bugs which crash when > starting the 787 > > YASim SOLUTION FAILURE: > Zero length fuselage I have reported this error a year ago. (http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg20272.html) That was actually the reason for creating the error message. Unfortunately the model hasn't been fixed. -- Csaba/Jester -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Remember Window positions
Would it be possible to make the "dialogs" eg Autopilot (F11), Comms (F12) remember their positions. For example, I tend to move the Autopilot dialog bottom right, but wish then the next time I press f11 to reopen the dialog, it opens in the last position. regards Pete -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Bugs: 787
Something has changed recently as I now get these bugs which crash when starting the 787 >> ./787.sh malformed autopilot definition - unrecognized node:target in section True Heading Hold (DG based) Stage 1 Failed to load autopilot configuration: /home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/787/787-autopilot.xml:XMLAuto: unrecognized component node:target loading scenario 'nimitz_demo' creating 3D noise texture... DONE YASim SOLUTION FAILURE: Zero length fuselage >> Regards Pete -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Bugs: 777-200ER
With today's cvs On startup I get error, which explains maybe why autp[ilot doesnt work Failed to load autopilot configuration: /home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/777-200/Systems/777-autopilot.xml:not well-formed loading scenario 'nimitz_demo' Also as some point as I start takeoff roll I get Nasal error AFDS System ... check Program's vertex attrib binding 10, usrAttr1 Program's vertex attrib binding 11, usrAttr2 Nasal runtime error: floating point error in math.sqrt() at /home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Nasal/math.nas, line 12 called from: /home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/777-200/Nasal/AFDS.nas, line 121 called from: /home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data/Aircraft/777-200/Nasal/AFDS.nas, line 215 Reagards Pete The startup script is fgfs \ --fg-root=/home/flight-sim/flight-gear-9/data \ --aircraft=777-200ER \ --callsign=NE555 \ --airport=EGFF --runway=12 --nav1=110.15 --adf=414 \ --enable-auto-coordination \ --timeofday=noon \ --multiplay=out,4,mpserver01.flightgear.org,5000 \ --multiplay=in,4,192.168.5.250,5000 \ --disable-hud --enable-ai-models \ --atlas=socket,out,1,192.168.5.250,5500,udp \ --fg-scenery=/home/flight-sim/terra_sink -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Many updates to the pa24-250
On 01/21/2010 06:35 AM, Torsten Dreyer wrote: >> On 01/21/2010 01:12 AM, Gijs de Rooy wrote: >> Dave Perry wrote: I have just submitted the last update from a "hit list" I started >>> for the pa24 over the holidays. >>> >>> Very nice updates! One small thing seems to be missing though, the >>> payload does not change >>> when baggage is loaded. ;) >>> >> Yeah, I have not figured out how to change that. >> >> > Just write the weight in lbs to /sim/weight[4]/weight-lb. > I wonder, what's in those suitcases... > > That works! It will be in my next patch. BTW, 122 lbs of pixels. Dave P. -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] ATC messages dialog box
Hello all, I posted a message about this on the forums and since the next Flight Gear release is near, I wanted to contact developers directly to see if you can do something. Its about the ATC message dialog box. When the Enable ATC option is checked, I get the tower frequency (120.50 at KSFO for example), I set my COM1 to it, there is the "Not currently tuned to any ATC service" message when I hit the ' key. I tried that with many airports tower frequency, the dialog box which contains the preset messages never appear. Apparently, Im not the only one with that issue, so I guess its not a problem on my end. I got the latest Freds binaries from January 17th with the matching CVS data. Im using Windows XP SP3. Maybe this can be fixed for the upcoming release? Thanks, Etienne Bourque -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] SoundSystem ALC error
Hi Erik, Erik Hofman wrote: > Ok, I've committed a work around that silently catches any error prior > to calling alutLoadWAVFile(). Should be good enough for the next release. > That is better. No alut/ALC errors remain. Thank you, Stewart -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] material animation still breaks pick highlights
Hi, I just added a pick object to a material animation so it would be illuminated when cockpit lighting is turned on. This pick object was highlighted as expected via ctrl-C before adding it to the material animation, but now even with the cockpit lighting off, the pick highlight no longer works. This is with yesterday's cvs. Dave P. -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] MPserver 05 downtime
MPserver 05 is back up and active -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Many updates to the pa24-250
> On 01/21/2010 01:12 AM, Gijs de Rooy wrote: > > > Dave Perry wrote: > > > > > > I have just submitted the last update from a "hit list" I started > > > > for the pa24 over the holidays. > > > > Very nice updates! One small thing seems to be missing though, the > > payload does not change > > when baggage is loaded. ;) > > Yeah, I have not figured out how to change that. > Just write the weight in lbs to /sim/weight[4]/weight-lb. I wonder, what's in those suitcases... Torsten -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Many updates to the pa24-250
On 01/21/2010 01:12 AM, Gijs de Rooy wrote: > Dave Perry wrote: > I have just submitted the last update from a "hit list" I started for the pa24 over the holidays. Very nice updates! One small thing seems to be missing though, the payload does not change when baggage is loaded. ;) Yeah, I have not figured out how to change that. -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] LinuxTag 2010 - program track
On 21 Jan 2010, at 08:14, Torsten Dreyer wrote: >> http://www.linuxtag.org/2010/en/program/call-for-papers.html >> >> Has anyone submitted a FGFS centric response to the CfP? If not, should I? > I was thinking about doing so myself after Martin sent a reminder some time > ago. I decided, that preparing and holding a speech is just to time consuming > and my resources are just to limited at the moment for that. So I dropped > that idea. > I'd love to see a FlightGear session at LinuxTag seconding our usually very > popular boot - we just need a good topic and a volunteer... I'd consider giving a presentation (in English, my German ist nicht sehr gut) - I've done similar things before for other open-source projects I've been involved with. (And, obviously I'm hoping to make it to LinuxTag this year). Topic is the key - I'm not sure if LT will accept a general 'talk about FG' presentation. In the past I've focused on a specific technology or architecture, when the talk is aimed at developers, but from the CfP it seems they'd prefer talks aimed at end-users. Regards, James -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] LinuxTag 2010 - program track
Am 21.01.2010 um 06:03 schrieb Alex Perry: > http://www.linuxtag.org/2010/en/program/call-for-papers.html > > Has anyone submitted a FGFS centric response to the CfP? If not, should I? I was thinking about doing so myself after Martin sent a reminder some time ago. I decided, that preparing and holding a speech is just to time consuming and my resources are just to limited at the moment for that. So I dropped that idea. I'd love to see a FlightGear session at LinuxTag seconding our usually very popular boot - we just need a good topic and a volunteer... Greetings, Torsten -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Many updates to the pa24-250
> Dave Perry wrote: > I have just submitted the last update from a "hit list" I started for the > pa24 over the holidays. Very nice updates! One small thing seems to be missing though, the payload does not change when baggage is loaded. ;) Thanks! Gijs _ Alles over Windows http://www.windows.nl/About.aspx-- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] SoundSystem on MacOS
James Turner wrote: > On 20 Jan 2010, at 14:28, James Turner wrote: > >> This is especially the case when I switch the tower location from my >> departure airport to my arrival airport. I *think* fly-by views are okay, >> but I'll double-check that now. > > Fly-by views are *not* okay for me, but I must point out (before Erik gets > annoyed) that I am running a few days behind CVS due to hacking on other > areas of the code. I'll pull now and report back. You're trying to get me a heart attack, don't you? :-) Erik -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
