Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft modeling idea/request: Piper Super Cub

2010-03-03 Thread Peter Brown
Gary,

Be careful what you undertake, there are a few variants to the Super 
CubFloats are the most popular,  but there are Tundra Tires, Banner Towing 
and more to be had.  But you are right, there is an abundance of information 
available, and a few thousand video's.

Looking forward to it.

Peter :)


On Mar 3, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Gary Neely wrote:

> The Cub was the first plane I ever flew in, before I'd even been in a
> commercial jet. A friend's father owned a Cub (probably a J-3, not a
> Super Cub-- pretty sure we didn't have flaps though that was 30 years
> ago and I'm not totally certain now), and we'd scrounge up some fuel
> money and take it out from time to time. When the Cub was down for
> maintenance or whatever, we'd reach deeper in our pre-college savings
> and rent an Aeronca Champ. So for some time now I've considered
> modeling the Super Cub (as the J-3 has been done) or the Champ.
> 
> For me, much depends on getting good plans with lots of detail and
> exact measurements, and a half-hour's searching shows sources are
> available without much effort. So-- Syd, if no one else steps up and
> you're busy, and no one is in a screaming hurry to have the model (I
> work pretty slow), I'd be interested in taking this on as a YASim
> project, otherwise I'll defer to you and consider the Champ again, no
> worries.
> 
> -Gary aka Buckaroo
> 
> http://ltts.crlt.indiana.edu/grn/flightgear
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:22 PM, syd adams  wrote:
>> Ive been considering  it ... unless someone beats me to it. I did some quick
>> browsing and Im guessing the desired aircraft is the PA-18 
>> I flew in one almost 30 years ago , and its amazing how small a sand bar in
>> the middle of a river you can land on :)
>> Cheers
>> 
>> P.S.
>> I could probably get a decent yasim FDM built , but someone  else would have
>> to do a JSB fdm , I still dont know what Im doing when it comes to jsbsim .
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft modeling idea/request: Piper Super Cub

2010-03-03 Thread Gary Neely
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:47 PM, syd adams  wrote:
>  So-- Syd, if no one else steps up and
>>
>> you're busy, and no one is in a screaming hurry to have the model (I
>> work pretty slow), I'd be interested in taking this on as a YASim
>> project, otherwise I'll defer to you and consider the Champ again, no
>> worries.
>>
>> -Gary aka Buckaroo
>>
>>
>
> Well I'm definately stepping aside now :) ,... and considering the quality
> and detail of your previous work , I cant wait to see the final results .
> Cheers


Thank you Syd!

I am interested in doing a classic Super Cub using one of the more
common engine variants to establish a baseline model, but a follow-on
version based on a CubCrafters design, perhaps the Carbon Cub, would
make a very interesting comparison within Flightgear.

Curt, I think it's early, but if you wanted to pursue that contact
with CubCrafters, I would be willing and excited to work with you on
such a project.

-Gary

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft modeling idea/request: Piper Super Cub

2010-03-03 Thread syd adams
 So-- Syd, if no one else steps up and

> you're busy, and no one is in a screaming hurry to have the model (I
> work pretty slow), I'd be interested in taking this on as a YASim
> project, otherwise I'll defer to you and consider the Champ again, no
> worries.
>
> -Gary aka Buckaroo
>
>
>
Well I'm definately stepping aside now :) ,... and considering the quality
and detail of your previous work , I cant wait to see the final results .
Cheers
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft modeling idea/request: Piper Super Cub

2010-03-03 Thread Gary Neely
The Cub was the first plane I ever flew in, before I'd even been in a
commercial jet. A friend's father owned a Cub (probably a J-3, not a
Super Cub-- pretty sure we didn't have flaps though that was 30 years
ago and I'm not totally certain now), and we'd scrounge up some fuel
money and take it out from time to time. When the Cub was down for
maintenance or whatever, we'd reach deeper in our pre-college savings
and rent an Aeronca Champ. So for some time now I've considered
modeling the Super Cub (as the J-3 has been done) or the Champ.

For me, much depends on getting good plans with lots of detail and
exact measurements, and a half-hour's searching shows sources are
available without much effort. So-- Syd, if no one else steps up and
you're busy, and no one is in a screaming hurry to have the model (I
work pretty slow), I'd be interested in taking this on as a YASim
project, otherwise I'll defer to you and consider the Champ again, no
worries.

-Gary aka Buckaroo

http://ltts.crlt.indiana.edu/grn/flightgear


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:22 PM, syd adams  wrote:
> Ive been considering  it ... unless someone beats me to it. I did some quick
> browsing and Im guessing the desired aircraft is the PA-18 
> I flew in one almost 30 years ago , and its amazing how small a sand bar in
> the middle of a river you can land on :)
> Cheers
>
> P.S.
> I could probably get a decent yasim FDM built , but someone  else would have
> to do a JSB fdm , I still dont know what Im doing when it comes to jsbsim .
>
>

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft modeling idea/request: Piper Super Cub

2010-03-03 Thread David Megginson
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:22 PM, syd adams  wrote:

> I could probably get a decent yasim FDM built , but someone  else would have
> to do a JSB fdm , I still dont know what Im doing when it comes to jsbsim .

JSBSim works best when you already have aircraft data (derivatives,
etc.) and want to stick the numbers into a flight model, though you
can also start with an existing one and try to tweak it for a slightly
different aircraft.  YASim works best when you have only the
(easily-obtainable) performance numbers and want to work backwards
from them.  So unless you have PA-18 testing data, YASim is probably
the way to go anyway.


All the best,


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft modeling idea/request: Piper Super Cub

2010-03-03 Thread syd adams
Ive been considering  it ... unless someone beats me to it. I did some quick
browsing and Im guessing the desired aircraft is the PA-18 
I flew in one almost 30 years ago , and its amazing how small a sand bar in
the middle of a river you can land on :)
Cheers

P.S.
I could probably get a decent yasim FDM built , but someone  else would have
to do a JSB fdm , I still dont know what Im doing when it comes to jsbsim .
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Patch to protect terrasync SVN from ^C

2010-03-03 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Hi Jari,

- "Jari Häkkinen" a écrit :

> Great, I haven't had an opportunity to run the new version yet. I took
> time to compile though, and there is a problem compiling terrasync.cxx
> on mac because of Apples typedef of the signal handler. I attached a 
> small fix.

Your mail remind me I had a fix to commit. Your patch and the fix for the
naming problem are commited now

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Patch to protect terrasync SVN from ^C

2010-03-03 Thread Jari Häkkinen
Great, I haven't had an opportunity to run the new version yet. I took 
time to compile though, and there is a problem compiling terrasync.cxx 
on mac because of Apples typedef of the signal handler. I attached a 
small fix.



Jari



On 2/28/10 5:51 PM, Alex Perry wrote:

Attached patch replaces the stream with a single direct call to
write() inside the signal handler; someone Windows based might want to
give it a look before committing.  I also removed references to std::
which are they're superfluous after "using namespace" directive at the
top.

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Alex Perry  wrote:

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 3:59 AM, Tim Moore  wrote:

Whoops, I'm a bit late with my comments, but all the same...

You can't safely use C++ stream functions in a signal handler.


Drat, true.  A simple write() would be fine, given what I'm using it for.


Why does terrasync need to be protected from interruption like this? Does
the SVN update really get corrupted if it is interrupted?


Yep.  If we think the individual update could take a long time, we
could go to the extra effort and use the svn internal interruption
handlers.



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Index: terrasync.cxx
===
RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/utils/TerraSync/terrasync.cxx,v
retrieving revision 1.30
@@ -276,6 +276,9 @@ void sync_tree(const char* dir) {
 #ifdef _MSC_VER
 typedef void (__cdecl * sighandler_t)(int);
 #endif
+#if defined( __APPLE__ )
+typedef sig_t sighandler_t;
+#endif
 
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 sighandler_t prior_signal_handlers[32];
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Password SOMETIMES required

2010-03-03 Thread Jari Häkkinen
On 3/3/10 5:16 PM, Curtis Olson wrote:
> Proftpd has the ability to limit the number of connections from any single
> host.  Otherwise one person often ends up grabbing all the available
> download slots.  Anyone want to look into a torrent?  Is there an easy
> recipe for setting one up?  What's the bandwidth required to seed it?

I am no expert on this at all, I haven't even created a seed yet. I 
suppose I am a leech but I browsed the web for a short while and came up 
with these suggestions:

1) Urgently, someone who has a decent upload speed and has his computer 
on-line 24/7 could seed the packages and publish them on fg web site and 
torrent tracker sites ... after reasonable time there would be enough 
copies available. Assuming that there are not too many leeches I don't 
think bandwidth is an issue.

2) Maybe web seeding could solve the problem? 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_%28protocol%29#Web_seeding

3) Or maybe one of the current ftp site maintainers could utilize 
http://www.torrentflux.com/ which may help?

4) There are seed boxes that can be used for a cost, 
http://filesharefreak.com/2009/01/15/10-really-cheap-seedboxes-that-anyone-can-afford/

As I understand the problem for fg is that we cannot rely on someone 
seeding just to be nice, it must be a more central source. Naively I 
think this is accomplished by setting up a tracker for the fg torrents 
only (or use a public tracker) and providing a seed that is always 
online. This would guarantee the availability (avoid the swarm to die 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_%28protocol%29#The_leech_problem) of 
the packages but benefit from other peers during peak traffic. I think 
this is something that should be set up by the current bandwidth 
providers. They would benefit from the set up also.

Surely, there must be someone among the list readers who knows more 
about these things?


Jari

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page

2010-03-03 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis Olson wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:02 AM, YOSHIMATSU Toshihide  wrote:

>> PDF version is good, but html version
>> (http://www.flightgear.org/Docs/FGShortRef.html) is very old.
>>
> 
> If someone sends me a new version I can update the web page.

  already in CVS (HTML plus CSS),

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page

2010-03-03 Thread Martin Spott
YOSHIMATSU Toshihide wrote:

> PDF version is good, but html version
> (http://www.flightgear.org/Docs/FGShortRef.html) is very old.
> 
> Can anyone correct makeshortref.sh to generate FGShortRef.html from
> FGShortRef.tex?

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page

2010-03-03 Thread Curtis Olson
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:02 AM, YOSHIMATSU Toshihide  wrote:

> Current manual of PDF version has 218 pages.
>

I will fix the page count.


> PDF version is good, but html version
> (http://www.flightgear.org/Docs/FGShortRef.html) is very old.
>

If someone sends me a new version I can update the web page.

Thanks,

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page

2010-03-03 Thread YOSHIMATSU Toshihide
Hi all,

From: stefan riemens 
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 17:32:56 +0100

> On a related note, I miss the link to the base-package... It is
> available on the mirrors, but hard to find.

I could find a link to the base package at
http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/source.shtml.


By the way, can I write some minor issues about web page?

http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/binary.shtml
> FlightGear ships with an extensive 109 page manual. We encourage
> people to at least take a glance through it, especially if they have
> questions or problems. 

Current manual of PDF version has 218 pages.

http://www.flightgear.org/docs.html
>* FlightGear Short Reference  (Adobe PDF)
>* FlightGear Short Reference (html) 

PDF version is good, but html version
(http://www.flightgear.org/Docs/FGShortRef.html) is very old.

Can anyone correct makeshortref.sh to generate FGShortRef.html from
FGShortRef.tex?

makeshortref.sh 
http://cvs.flightgear.org/viewvc/docs/getstart/bin/makeshortref.sh

FGShortRef.tex
http://cvs.flightgear.org/viewvc/docs/getstart/source/FGShortRef.tex

Cheers,
Toshi

From: stefan riemens 
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 17:32:56 +0100

> On a related note, I miss the link to the base-package... It is
> available on the mirrors, but hard to find.
> 
> Thanks,
> Stefan
> 
> 2010/3/3, Curtis Olson :
>> Hi Toshi,
>>
>> The latest web page for downloading aircraft should reference the
>> Aircraft-2.0.0/ directory  argh! and I see that it does not.  That's a
>> stupid mistake on my part.  What a mess.  Ok, it is now fixed so the links
>> should point in the correct place.  Thank you for reporting this and
>> bringing it to my attention.
>>
>> Curt.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:18 AM, YOSHIMATSU Toshihide
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Curt,
>>>
>>> Some of users in forum report that they can't download aircraft files
>>> from the aircraft download page, and I also confirmed this issue.
>>>
>>> Example of c172p:
>>>
>>> ftp://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip
>>>
>>> ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip
>>> ftp://ftp.de.flightgear.org/pub/fgfs/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip
>>>
>>> I guess you need to change (or request?) the symbolic link of Aircraft
>>> directory in ftp mirrors from Aircraft-1.9.1 to Aircraft-2.0.0.
>>>
>>> The following is a current directory list of
>>> mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp.
>>>
>>> ftp> dir
>>> 200 PORT command successful
>>> 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 AirNav
>>> lrwxrwxrwx   1 (?)  users  14 Feb 28 12:52 Aircraft ->
>>> Aircraft-1.9.
>>> 1
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  users   12288 Feb  5 21:47 Aircraft-1.9.1
>>> drwxrwxr-x   2 (?)  users   16384 Mar  2 13:26 Aircraft-2.0.0
>>> drwxrwxr-x   2 (?)  users4096 Mar  1 14:47 Aircraft-new
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  8192 Sep 19  2000 AirportsOverlay
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Oct 14  2004 CD-Images
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec  5  2002 Devel
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 25 15:29 Docs
>>> drwxr-xr-x   5 (?)  users4096 Dec 11  2002 Everything-0.0-0.6
>>> drwxr-xr-x   5 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec 11  2002 Everything-0.7
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Oct 19  2004 FC2
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Apr 26  2006 Fedora
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec 19  2006 MacOS
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 Misc
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 Promotional
>>> drwxr-xr-x   7 (?)  (?)  4096 Nov 22  2000 RawData
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Apr 12  2004 RedHat
>>> lrwxrwxrwx   1 (?)  users  13 Feb 27 22:21 Scenery ->
>>> Scenery-1.0.1
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?) 20480 Feb 27 22:22 Scenery-1.0.0
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?) 20480 Nov  3  2008 Scenery-1.0.1
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Jan 25  2006 Scenery-Airspace
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec  5  2001 Scenery.Photo
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 25 19:14 Shared
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Jul  1  2003 Solaris
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 17 21:02 Source
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 26 00:11 Win32
>>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 30  2000 tmp
>>> drwxr-xr-x  32 (?)  (?)  4096 Mar  7  2008 www
>>> 226 Transfer complete
>>> ftp: 1941 bytes received in 0.13Seconds 15.53Kbytes/sec.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>> From: Curtis Olson 
>>> Subject: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page
>>> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:14:47 -0600
>>>
>>> > I just updated the aircraft download page with al

Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page

2010-03-03 Thread Curtis Olson
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:32 AM, stefan riemens wrote:

> On a related note, I miss the link to the base-package... It is
> available on the mirrors, but hard to find.
>

The logic is that people who are downloading the software and compiling it
themselves are the ones that need to download the data package.  People that
are just downloading the windows or mac precompiled packages already have
that data included.

So with that in mind, the link to the data package is included on the source
download page:

http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/source.shtml

Regards,

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft modeling idea/request: Piper Super Cub

2010-03-03 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi,
> 
> Wow...a Super Cub! That sounds great!
> 
> I have a bit of time flying a Super Cub with a 150 hp
> Lycoming O-320 engine, but there were various engine
> configurations available. I know of everything from a 90 hp
> Continental, to a 180 hp Lycoming. But I think the 150 hp
> model was very popular. I also believe that there was a
> popular model with a 125 or 135hp Lycoming O-290, although I
> never flew one of those.
> 
> I can see a significant benefit for having a
> high-performance tail-dragger like this in FG. If the model
> is good, this could be a trainer for floats or skis, for
> instance. I know we don't yet model differing surfaces, but
> maybe that will come one day.
> 
> So if you decide to develop some sort of PA-18 Heiko, and
> you want some help researching the data or validating the
> FDM or something--just let me know. I'll help you in any way
> I can.
> 
I won't model this aircraft. I'm already to busy with my still running 
projects, and of course Real-Life. 

But I hope also that someone will catch it up, so we will have one in FGFS!

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Password SOMETIMES required

2010-03-03 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis Olson wrote:

> Proftpd has the ability to limit the number of connections from any single
> host.

Yup, "MaxClientsPerHost" works pretty well as a 'general' rule, but
still doesn't yield the desired effect because the client hostname/IP
verification calls _after_ the initial connection has been accepted. In
consequence, download managers are quickly catching free connections,
thus filling the pool of allowed connections _before_ getting thrown
out.

Thus, limiting the number of connections per client indeed permits to
restrict the number of FTP data connections but unfortunately doesn't
result in a beneficial management of the allowed number of connections.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page

2010-03-03 Thread stefan riemens
On a related note, I miss the link to the base-package... It is
available on the mirrors, but hard to find.

Thanks,
Stefan

2010/3/3, Curtis Olson :
> Hi Toshi,
>
> The latest web page for downloading aircraft should reference the
> Aircraft-2.0.0/ directory  argh! and I see that it does not.  That's a
> stupid mistake on my part.  What a mess.  Ok, it is now fixed so the links
> should point in the correct place.  Thank you for reporting this and
> bringing it to my attention.
>
> Curt.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:18 AM, YOSHIMATSU Toshihide
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Curt,
>>
>> Some of users in forum report that they can't download aircraft files
>> from the aircraft download page, and I also confirmed this issue.
>>
>> Example of c172p:
>>
>> ftp://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip
>>
>> ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip
>> ftp://ftp.de.flightgear.org/pub/fgfs/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip
>>
>> I guess you need to change (or request?) the symbolic link of Aircraft
>> directory in ftp mirrors from Aircraft-1.9.1 to Aircraft-2.0.0.
>>
>> The following is a current directory list of
>> mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp.
>>
>> ftp> dir
>> 200 PORT command successful
>> 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 AirNav
>> lrwxrwxrwx   1 (?)  users  14 Feb 28 12:52 Aircraft ->
>> Aircraft-1.9.
>> 1
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  users   12288 Feb  5 21:47 Aircraft-1.9.1
>> drwxrwxr-x   2 (?)  users   16384 Mar  2 13:26 Aircraft-2.0.0
>> drwxrwxr-x   2 (?)  users4096 Mar  1 14:47 Aircraft-new
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  8192 Sep 19  2000 AirportsOverlay
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Oct 14  2004 CD-Images
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec  5  2002 Devel
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 25 15:29 Docs
>> drwxr-xr-x   5 (?)  users4096 Dec 11  2002 Everything-0.0-0.6
>> drwxr-xr-x   5 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec 11  2002 Everything-0.7
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Oct 19  2004 FC2
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Apr 26  2006 Fedora
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec 19  2006 MacOS
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 Misc
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 Promotional
>> drwxr-xr-x   7 (?)  (?)  4096 Nov 22  2000 RawData
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Apr 12  2004 RedHat
>> lrwxrwxrwx   1 (?)  users  13 Feb 27 22:21 Scenery ->
>> Scenery-1.0.1
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?) 20480 Feb 27 22:22 Scenery-1.0.0
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?) 20480 Nov  3  2008 Scenery-1.0.1
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Jan 25  2006 Scenery-Airspace
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec  5  2001 Scenery.Photo
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 25 19:14 Shared
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Jul  1  2003 Solaris
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 17 21:02 Source
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 26 00:11 Win32
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 30  2000 tmp
>> drwxr-xr-x  32 (?)  (?)  4096 Mar  7  2008 www
>> 226 Transfer complete
>> ftp: 1941 bytes received in 0.13Seconds 15.53Kbytes/sec.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Toshi
>>
>> From: Curtis Olson 
>> Subject: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page
>> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:14:47 -0600
>>
>> > I just updated the aircraft download page with all the latest aircraft
>> > updates to match FlightGear v2.0
>> >
>> > http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/aircraft-2.0.0/
>> >
>> > I notice that many of the new aircraft are missing thumbnails, and
>> perhaps a
>> > few of the older aircraft could use updated thumbnails.  If we have a
>> > thumbnail update party here today and get new thumbnails added to the
>> > aircraft packages I can then regenerate the aircraft download page.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Curt.
>> > --
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>>
>>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page

2010-03-03 Thread YOSHIMATSU Toshihide
OK, Curt.

Now I can download aircraft files correctly.

Thanks a lot for your quick work.

Cheers,
Toshi

From: Curtis Olson 
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:22:22 -0600

> Hi Toshi,
> 
> The latest web page for downloading aircraft should reference the
> Aircraft-2.0.0/ directory  argh! and I see that it does not.  That's a
> stupid mistake on my part.  What a mess.  Ok, it is now fixed so the links
> should point in the correct place.  Thank you for reporting this and
> bringing it to my attention.
> 
> Curt.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:18 AM, YOSHIMATSU Toshihide
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Curt,
>>
>> Some of users in forum report that they can't download aircraft files
>> from the aircraft download page, and I also confirmed this issue.
>>
>> Example of c172p:
>>
>> ftp://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip
>>
>> ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip
>> ftp://ftp.de.flightgear.org/pub/fgfs/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip
>>
>> I guess you need to change (or request?) the symbolic link of Aircraft
>> directory in ftp mirrors from Aircraft-1.9.1 to Aircraft-2.0.0.
>>
>> The following is a current directory list of
>> mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp.
>>
>> ftp> dir
>> 200 PORT command successful
>> 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 AirNav
>> lrwxrwxrwx   1 (?)  users  14 Feb 28 12:52 Aircraft ->
>> Aircraft-1.9.
>> 1
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  users   12288 Feb  5 21:47 Aircraft-1.9.1
>> drwxrwxr-x   2 (?)  users   16384 Mar  2 13:26 Aircraft-2.0.0
>> drwxrwxr-x   2 (?)  users4096 Mar  1 14:47 Aircraft-new
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  8192 Sep 19  2000 AirportsOverlay
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Oct 14  2004 CD-Images
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec  5  2002 Devel
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 25 15:29 Docs
>> drwxr-xr-x   5 (?)  users4096 Dec 11  2002 Everything-0.0-0.6
>> drwxr-xr-x   5 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec 11  2002 Everything-0.7
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Oct 19  2004 FC2
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Apr 26  2006 Fedora
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec 19  2006 MacOS
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 Misc
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 Promotional
>> drwxr-xr-x   7 (?)  (?)  4096 Nov 22  2000 RawData
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Apr 12  2004 RedHat
>> lrwxrwxrwx   1 (?)  users  13 Feb 27 22:21 Scenery ->
>> Scenery-1.0.1
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?) 20480 Feb 27 22:22 Scenery-1.0.0
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?) 20480 Nov  3  2008 Scenery-1.0.1
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Jan 25  2006 Scenery-Airspace
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec  5  2001 Scenery.Photo
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 25 19:14 Shared
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Jul  1  2003 Solaris
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 17 21:02 Source
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 26 00:11 Win32
>> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 30  2000 tmp
>> drwxr-xr-x  32 (?)  (?)  4096 Mar  7  2008 www
>> 226 Transfer complete
>> ftp: 1941 bytes received in 0.13Seconds 15.53Kbytes/sec.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Toshi
>>
>> From: Curtis Olson 
>> Subject: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page
>> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:14:47 -0600
>>
>> > I just updated the aircraft download page with all the latest aircraft
>> > updates to match FlightGear v2.0
>> >
>> > http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/aircraft-2.0.0/
>> >
>> > I notice that many of the new aircraft are missing thumbnails, and
>> perhaps a
>> > few of the older aircraft could use updated thumbnails.  If we have a
>> > thumbnail update party here today and get new thumbnails added to the
>> > aircraft packages I can then regenerate the aircraft download page.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Curt.
>> > --
>> > Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/
>>
>>
>> --
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page

2010-03-03 Thread Curtis Olson
Hi Toshi,

The latest web page for downloading aircraft should reference the
Aircraft-2.0.0/ directory  argh! and I see that it does not.  That's a
stupid mistake on my part.  What a mess.  Ok, it is now fixed so the links
should point in the correct place.  Thank you for reporting this and
bringing it to my attention.

Curt.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:18 AM, YOSHIMATSU Toshihide
wrote:

> Hi Curt,
>
> Some of users in forum report that they can't download aircraft files
> from the aircraft download page, and I also confirmed this issue.
>
> Example of c172p:
>
> ftp://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip
>
> ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip
> ftp://ftp.de.flightgear.org/pub/fgfs/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip
>
> I guess you need to change (or request?) the symbolic link of Aircraft
> directory in ftp mirrors from Aircraft-1.9.1 to Aircraft-2.0.0.
>
> The following is a current directory list of
> mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp.
>
> ftp> dir
> 200 PORT command successful
> 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 AirNav
> lrwxrwxrwx   1 (?)  users  14 Feb 28 12:52 Aircraft ->
> Aircraft-1.9.
> 1
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  users   12288 Feb  5 21:47 Aircraft-1.9.1
> drwxrwxr-x   2 (?)  users   16384 Mar  2 13:26 Aircraft-2.0.0
> drwxrwxr-x   2 (?)  users4096 Mar  1 14:47 Aircraft-new
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  8192 Sep 19  2000 AirportsOverlay
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Oct 14  2004 CD-Images
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec  5  2002 Devel
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 25 15:29 Docs
> drwxr-xr-x   5 (?)  users4096 Dec 11  2002 Everything-0.0-0.6
> drwxr-xr-x   5 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec 11  2002 Everything-0.7
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Oct 19  2004 FC2
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Apr 26  2006 Fedora
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec 19  2006 MacOS
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 Misc
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 Promotional
> drwxr-xr-x   7 (?)  (?)  4096 Nov 22  2000 RawData
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Apr 12  2004 RedHat
> lrwxrwxrwx   1 (?)  users  13 Feb 27 22:21 Scenery ->
> Scenery-1.0.1
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?) 20480 Feb 27 22:22 Scenery-1.0.0
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?) 20480 Nov  3  2008 Scenery-1.0.1
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Jan 25  2006 Scenery-Airspace
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec  5  2001 Scenery.Photo
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 25 19:14 Shared
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Jul  1  2003 Solaris
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 17 21:02 Source
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 26 00:11 Win32
> drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 30  2000 tmp
> drwxr-xr-x  32 (?)  (?)  4096 Mar  7  2008 www
> 226 Transfer complete
> ftp: 1941 bytes received in 0.13Seconds 15.53Kbytes/sec.
>
> Cheers,
> Toshi
>
> From: Curtis Olson 
> Subject: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page
> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:14:47 -0600
>
> > I just updated the aircraft download page with all the latest aircraft
> > updates to match FlightGear v2.0
> >
> > http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/aircraft-2.0.0/
> >
> > I notice that many of the new aircraft are missing thumbnails, and
> perhaps a
> > few of the older aircraft could use updated thumbnails.  If we have a
> > thumbnail update party here today and get new thumbnails added to the
> > aircraft packages I can then regenerate the aircraft download page.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Curt.
> > --
> > Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/
>
>
> --
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Password SOMETIMES required

2010-03-03 Thread Curtis Olson
Proftpd has the ability to limit the number of connections from any single
host.  Otherwise one person often ends up grabbing all the available
download slots.  Anyone want to look into a torrent?  Is there an easy
recipe for setting one up?  What's the bandwidth required to seed it?

Curt.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Martin Spott wrote:

> Gijs de Rooy wrote:
> >> j...@kingmont.com wrote:
>
> >> Just wanted to let folks know that SOMETIMES you will get a message
> requiring
> >> a user name and password when attempting to access the mirror site at
> >> http://kingmont.com.
> >
> > The other two (official) mirrors have the same behaviour. Already for
> three days...
>
> Blame those idiots who are using "download managers" to create multiple
> connections to a single host (for a single file)
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] New GUI Font

2010-03-03 Thread Alan Teeder
LCD is essentially a memory mapped array.
Each element is addressed by row and column, so in effect it can also be 
visualised as a raster display.
To draw a vector on such a display you have to calculate which row/column 
elements need to be illuminated.

With a vector display the hardware had a start and end X-Y positions defined 
for each vector. The spot was turned on by changing the potential at the CRT 
control grid and then X and Y were ramped to the end point before turning 
the spot off. It worked much like an analogue X-Y plotter.

This was very efficient for simple cartoon like graphics , and also gave a 
display with considerably higher contrast and brightness than the 
alternative raster displays of the time.
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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 1:56 PM
To: "FlightGear developers discussions" 

Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] New GUI Font

> On Tuesday 02 Mar 2010, HB-GRAL wrote:
>> Melchior FRANZ schrieb:
>> > * HB-GRAL -- Tuesday 02 March 2010:
>> >> Melchior FRANZ schrieb:
>> >>> Helvetica is the default font used in HUDs (e.g. in the F16).
>> >>> While not perfect for that (there are MIL standards for
>> >>> this),
>> >>
>> >> Do you mean in real HUDs?
>> >
>> > Real HUDs use a MIL standard font. Ours use Helvetica. I even
>> > tuned that for the use in HUDs, as the prior version didn't
>> > look good in tapes. I don't say that yours is worse, just that
>> > it can't be swapped without checking. And a MIL spec compliant
>> > font should be the ultimate goal, anyway.
>>
>> Yes, I see that I misunderstood your comment about f-16.
>>
>> As I started to work for a 'all-in-one FG-Font' I had the HUD in
>> mind and also signage because the original and OFL-Allerta is
>> exactly for this purpose (there are some equal requirements for
>> fonts in a display and for signage I think). Now the real
>> standard numbers like yours(?) in the sign textures are miles
>> better then anywhere and this standard is also used in some real
>> HUDs. I think now it is better to separate all this things and
>> not to work for a 'all-in-one'.
>>
>> Thanks- Yves
>
> Does anyone know if raster displays are used in modern HUDs?  The
> early first generation huds were all vector displays, of course,
> but Wikipedia says that second generation HUDs use an LCD screen to
> modulate the light from an LED.  However, it's still not clear to
> me whether this counts as a raster display (although it does
> suggest a raster mask).
>
> That all the HUD images I've ever seen, including modern ones, are
> still monochrome suggests that they're still essentially vector
> displays, for if the imagery is produced using an LCD then I'd
> expect to see different colours on the HUD, instead of the
> ubiquitous green (although red/orange has been used on some
> automobiles).
>
> If anyone can find some high-res pictures of _real_ HUD displays
> (and not ones from flight sims, as they're obviously going to be
> produced via a raster display) it should be possible to see the
> LCD 'dots' (unless they LCD screen uses a ridiculously high
> resolution, which doesn't really chime with the requirements for
> size and ruggedisation).
>
> Anyway, a vector type font should be used on older first generation
> HUDs for authenticity.
>
> LeeE
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Password SOMETIMES required

2010-03-03 Thread Martin Spott
Gijs de Rooy wrote:
>> j...@kingmont.com wrote:

>> Just wanted to let folks know that SOMETIMES you will get a message 
>> requiring 
>> a user name and password when attempting to access the mirror site at 
>> http://kingmont.com.
> 
> The other two (official) mirrors have the same behaviour. Already for three 
> days...

Blame those idiots who are using "download managers" to create multiple
connections to a single host (for a single file)

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Setting OBS on command line/.fgfsrc

2010-03-03 Thread James Turner

On 3 Mar 2010, at 15:07, Alasdair wrote:

> Thanks for the prompt reply, John. That fixes the proplem for me, which
> exists in FG-2.0 as well. Don't know what it will do to the GPS code,
> though.

Ack, this is my fault, apologies.

The problem is the support for the FMS/GPS driving the selected course (on a 
CDI or similar indicator) - the fix John gave disables that, and as you 
guessed, this will make some FMS modes behave rather strangely. 

I'll investigate this evening, and see if I can find a better fix, that still 
keeps the desired FMS-can-drive-the-CDI behaviour. 

Regards,
James



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Setting OBS on command line/.fgfsrc

2010-03-03 Thread Alasdair
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 07:22 -0700, John Denker wrote:
> On 03/03/2010 06:13 AM, Alasdair wrote:
> > I am using FG cvs and have recently noticed that commands such as:
> > fgfs --prop:/instrumentation/nav/radials/selected-deg=63
> > no longer have any effect.
> > 
> > --prop:/instrumentation/nav/frequencies/selected-mhz=108.90
> > works fine.
> 
> I observe the same bug here.  Only nav[0] is affected.
> 
> It's a bug in gps.cxx.  Or maybe multiple bugs.
> 
> Why the gps.cxx code has a compiled-in reference to
> /instrumentation/nav[0]/radials/selected-deg is a
> mystery to me.
> 
> Why the gps.cxx code thinks it can reach over and set 
> the OBS on a KI-209 or similar indicator head is a 
> mystery to me.
> 
> Why the gps.cxx code runs at all in aircraft that don't 
> have a gps receiver installed is also a mystery to me.
> 
> The following workaround is something Mr. Spock would 
> describe as "crude but effective":
> 
> diff --git a/src/Instrumentation/gps.cxx b/src/Instrumentation/gps.cxx
> index 2f7455b..9bca740 100644
> --- a/src/Instrumentation/gps.cxx
> +++ b/src/Instrumentation/gps.cxx
> @@ -250,6 +250,7 @@ GPS::Config::getExternalCourse() const
>  void
>  GPS::Config::setExternalCourse(double aCourseDeg)
>  {
> +  return;
>if (!_extCourseSource) {
>  return;
>}

Thanks for the prompt reply, John. That fixes the proplem for me, which
exists in FG-2.0 as well. Don't know what it will do to the GPS code,
though.

Kind regards,
Alasdair
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page

2010-03-03 Thread YOSHIMATSU Toshihide
Hi Curt,

Some of users in forum report that they can't download aircraft files
from the aircraft download page, and I also confirmed this issue.

Example of c172p:
ftp://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip
ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip
ftp://ftp.de.flightgear.org/pub/fgfs/Aircraft/c172p_20091229.zip

I guess you need to change (or request?) the symbolic link of Aircraft
directory in ftp mirrors from Aircraft-1.9.1 to Aircraft-2.0.0.

The following is a current directory list of
mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/flightgear/ftp.

ftp> dir
200 PORT command successful
150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 AirNav
lrwxrwxrwx   1 (?)  users  14 Feb 28 12:52 Aircraft -> Aircraft-1.9.
1
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  users   12288 Feb  5 21:47 Aircraft-1.9.1
drwxrwxr-x   2 (?)  users   16384 Mar  2 13:26 Aircraft-2.0.0
drwxrwxr-x   2 (?)  users4096 Mar  1 14:47 Aircraft-new
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  8192 Sep 19  2000 AirportsOverlay
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Oct 14  2004 CD-Images
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec  5  2002 Devel
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 25 15:29 Docs
drwxr-xr-x   5 (?)  users4096 Dec 11  2002 Everything-0.0-0.6
drwxr-xr-x   5 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec 11  2002 Everything-0.7
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Oct 19  2004 FC2
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Apr 26  2006 Fedora
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec 19  2006 MacOS
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 Misc
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 25  2002 Promotional
drwxr-xr-x   7 (?)  (?)  4096 Nov 22  2000 RawData
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Apr 12  2004 RedHat
lrwxrwxrwx   1 (?)  users  13 Feb 27 22:21 Scenery -> Scenery-1.0.1
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?) 20480 Feb 27 22:22 Scenery-1.0.0
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?) 20480 Nov  3  2008 Scenery-1.0.1
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Jan 25  2006 Scenery-Airspace
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Dec  5  2001 Scenery.Photo
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 25 19:14 Shared
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Jul  1  2003 Solaris
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 17 21:02 Source
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Feb 26 00:11 Win32
drwxr-xr-x   2 (?)  (?)  4096 Sep 30  2000 tmp
drwxr-xr-x  32 (?)  (?)  4096 Mar  7  2008 www
226 Transfer complete
ftp: 1941 bytes received in 0.13Seconds 15.53Kbytes/sec.

Cheers,
Toshi

From: Curtis Olson 
Subject: [Flightgear-devel] v2.0 Aircraft Download Page
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:14:47 -0600

> I just updated the aircraft download page with all the latest aircraft
> updates to match FlightGear v2.0
> 
> http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/aircraft-2.0.0/
> 
> I notice that many of the new aircraft are missing thumbnails, and perhaps a
> few of the older aircraft could use updated thumbnails.  If we have a
> thumbnail update party here today and get new thumbnails added to the
> aircraft packages I can then regenerate the aircraft download page.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Curt.
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> Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] New GUI Font

2010-03-03 Thread leee
On Tuesday 02 Mar 2010, HB-GRAL wrote:
> Melchior FRANZ schrieb:
> > * HB-GRAL -- Tuesday 02 March 2010:
> >> Melchior FRANZ schrieb:
> >>> Helvetica is the default font used in HUDs (e.g. in the F16).
> >>> While not perfect for that (there are MIL standards for
> >>> this),
> >>
> >> Do you mean in real HUDs?
> >
> > Real HUDs use a MIL standard font. Ours use Helvetica. I even
> > tuned that for the use in HUDs, as the prior version didn't
> > look good in tapes. I don't say that yours is worse, just that
> > it can't be swapped without checking. And a MIL spec compliant
> > font should be the ultimate goal, anyway.
>
> Yes, I see that I misunderstood your comment about f-16.
>
> As I started to work for a 'all-in-one FG-Font' I had the HUD in
> mind and also signage because the original and OFL-Allerta is
> exactly for this purpose (there are some equal requirements for
> fonts in a display and for signage I think). Now the real
> standard numbers like yours(?) in the sign textures are miles
> better then anywhere and this standard is also used in some real
> HUDs. I think now it is better to separate all this things and
> not to work for a 'all-in-one'.
>
> Thanks- Yves

Does anyone know if raster displays are used in modern HUDs?  The 
early first generation huds were all vector displays, of course, 
but Wikipedia says that second generation HUDs use an LCD screen to 
modulate the light from an LED.  However, it's still not clear to 
me whether this counts as a raster display (although it does 
suggest a raster mask).

That all the HUD images I've ever seen, including modern ones, are 
still monochrome suggests that they're still essentially vector 
displays, for if the imagery is produced using an LCD then I'd 
expect to see different colours on the HUD, instead of the 
ubiquitous green (although red/orange has been used on some 
automobiles).

If anyone can find some high-res pictures of _real_ HUD displays 
(and not ones from flight sims, as they're obviously going to be 
produced via a raster display) it should be possible to see the 
LCD 'dots' (unless they LCD screen uses a ridiculously high 
resolution, which doesn't really chime with the requirements for 
size and ruggedisation).

Anyway, a vector type font should be used on older first generation 
HUDs for authenticity.

LeeE

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Setting OBS on command line/.fgfsrc

2010-03-03 Thread John Denker
On 03/03/2010 06:13 AM, Alasdair wrote:
> I am using FG cvs and have recently noticed that commands such as:
> fgfs --prop:/instrumentation/nav/radials/selected-deg=63
> no longer have any effect.
> 
> --prop:/instrumentation/nav/frequencies/selected-mhz=108.90
> works fine.

I observe the same bug here.  Only nav[0] is affected.

It's a bug in gps.cxx.  Or maybe multiple bugs.

Why the gps.cxx code has a compiled-in reference to
/instrumentation/nav[0]/radials/selected-deg is a
mystery to me.

Why the gps.cxx code thinks it can reach over and set 
the OBS on a KI-209 or similar indicator head is a 
mystery to me.

Why the gps.cxx code runs at all in aircraft that don't 
have a gps receiver installed is also a mystery to me.

The following workaround is something Mr. Spock would 
describe as "crude but effective":

diff --git a/src/Instrumentation/gps.cxx b/src/Instrumentation/gps.cxx
index 2f7455b..9bca740 100644
--- a/src/Instrumentation/gps.cxx
+++ b/src/Instrumentation/gps.cxx
@@ -250,6 +250,7 @@ GPS::Config::getExternalCourse() const
 void
 GPS::Config::setExternalCourse(double aCourseDeg)
 {
+  return;
   if (!_extCourseSource) {
 return;
   }

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[Flightgear-devel] Setting OBS on command line/.fgfsrc

2010-03-03 Thread Alasdair
I am using FG cvs and have recently noticed that commands such as:
fgfs --prop:/instrumentation/nav/radials/selected-deg=63
no longer have any effect.

--prop:/instrumentation/nav/frequencies/selected-mhz=108.90
works fine.

Any ideas?

Alasdair


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft modeling idea/request: Piper Super Cub

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Betka

Wow...a Super Cub! That sounds great!

I have a bit of time flying a Super Cub with a 150 hp Lycoming O-320 engine, 
but there were various engine configurations available. I know of everything 
from a 90 hp Continental, to a 180 hp Lycoming. But I think the 150 hp model 
was very popular. I also believe that there was a popular model with a 125 or 
135hp Lycoming O-290, although I never flew one of those.

I can see a significant benefit for having a high-performance tail-dragger like 
this in FG. If the model is good, this could be a trainer for floats or skis, 
for instance. I know we don't yet model differing surfaces, but maybe that will 
come one day.

So if you decide to develop some sort of PA-18 Heiko, and you want some help 
researching the data or validating the FDM or something--just let me know. I'll 
help you in any way I can.

TB
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3d clouds rendering order

2010-03-03 Thread Erik Hofman
Lauri Peltonen wrote:
> Hello again.
> 
> Please forget the last patch I sent, since it was a huge black hole in
> my head I think :)
> 
> This one does the same but is much simpler, just pushes all 3d clouds
> into CLOUDS_BIN which is depth sorted from back to front, and all 3d
> clouds render nicely.

Thanks! This solves a number of alpha-sorting problems I had with the 3d 
clouds. It's committed.

Erik

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