Re: [Flightgear-devel] AI and Traffic Manager
Hi John The traffic you see a KSFO is mine the Air Canada aircraft are in the AI folder under traffic/A/ACA and the Cathay are under traffic/C/CPA almost at the end.They are supposed to move but there are so few of them that you need to be lucky to see them move.I think there is a KLM or two of Durk's too.When I was doing the traffic for KSFO there were other things going on so I never got anywhere near finishing the traffic files. Cheers Innis > > Could someone tell me if the AI and traffic manager are active? Looking > at the source, seems a lot of code is commented out. Haven't tried to > walk thru the code just yet to figure out logic and flow and data > structures. > > When starting at KSFO the "default" seems to be four 737's from Air > Canada and two 747s at the south end of the terminal, but can't locate > the xml file or comand option that stipulates this start condition. > > are those active AI models or just static objects placed as eye-candy? > > Any hints would be appreciated ;-) > > John W. _ Need a new place to live? Find it on Domain.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/-- The Palm PDK Hot Apps Program offers developers who use the Plug-In Development Kit to bring their C/C++ apps to Palm for a share of $1 Million in cash or HP Products. Visit us here for more details: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;226879339;13503038;l? http://clk.atdmt.com/CRS/go/247765532/direct/01/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Flightgear Debian Package
Hello Flightgear Developers, I am looking at improving the Debian packages and support for your wonderfull program and associated programs. I have nearly finished packaging fgrun and am just working on upgrading and improving the other packages. I have a couple of questions I was hoping you could help me answer. I am trying to properly split the base package apart separating the scenery and aircraft in to separate packages and identify anything that can be provided by another Debian package. The fonts directory includes a number of fonts that I assume from the readme are quite specific to FlightGear but the Liberation fonts are provided by a Debian package ttf-liberation and it places the font files in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-liberation/ . How are these Liberation fonts used by FlightGear? If I leave them out of the package and pull them in as a dependency do I have to change anything else for FlightGear to work as normal? What does the Aircraft/UIUC folder contain, the link for info in the readme is broken. When I looked at the readme's further down the directory tree, for instance the README.orni.html it references files apparently in the base package but they are not present. When running flightgear with this aircraft you get a "Cannot find specified aircraft: ornithopter-uiuc" error. Where are the missing files? Thanks, Chris -- The Palm PDK Hot Apps Program offers developers who use the Plug-In Development Kit to bring their C/C++ apps to Palm for a share of $1 Million in cash or HP Products. Visit us here for more details: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;226879339;13503038;l? http://clk.atdmt.com/CRS/go/247765532/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] AI and Traffic Manager
Thanks Durk, I was looking at the wiki page and that was helpful. Still trying to decipher what launches the traffic. Is it a case where the traffic manager is instantiated and automagically searches and creates AI objects? That being the case, then the demo xml files in the AI directory while still functional are NOT the way to create a scenario. It wasn't clear on the wiki page how that all ties together; i.e. will the traffic manager create and position AI aircraft on the ramp if KSFO is specified as the departure airport. Is there some time span prior to departure that the specified aircraft object will be created, start and taxi to meet the departure time. In the real world, arriving aircraft taxi to the gate, passengers deplane, and the bird is serviced and scheduled for the next flight. While that would be an awesome feature, I gather that is not how the AI world works. Intriguing idea though, don't you think? Create a list of available equipment by carrier at a particular airport that is depleted as aircraft are scheduled/assigned and replenished as aircraft arrive with some delta time to represent service time. Wow, that's a lot of work and data you created for the AI world! I'll take a look at EHAM. Are the old demo files still available? Thanks for the info John On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 07:16 +0200, Durk Talsma wrote: > Hi John, > > > On Monday, July 26, 2010 06:06:14 am John Wojnaroski wrote: > > Could someone tell me if the AI and traffic manager are active? Looking > > at the source, seems a lot of code is commented out. Haven't tried to > > walk thru the code just yet to figure out logic and flow and data > > structures. > > Yep, it's still active. :-) The code's undergone substantial revision about > two years ago, which is why there are still a few chunks commented out. > > Re, the Air Canada 737s, my memory of their origin is a bit rusty to me. > Originally, we had a fairly dense demo arond KSFO (thanks to Innis > Cunnigham), > but after the revision, I build a new demo, highlighting the lastest > features, > that was centered around my then hometown of Amsterdam, NL. Try for example > fgfs --airport=EHAM --runway=24 --com1=121.7 and wait a few seconds for > traffic to initialize. > > For additional information on building traffic files yourself, please have a > look at: > > http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=8612 > > or > > http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Interactive_Traffic#Tools > > or, more generally: > > http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Interactive_Traffic > > > Cheers, > Durk > > -- > The Palm PDK Hot Apps Program offers developers who use the > Plug-In Development Kit to bring their C/C++ apps to Palm for a share > of $1 Million in cash or HP Products. Visit us here for more details: > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;226879339;13503038;l? > http://clk.atdmt.com/CRS/go/247765532/direct/01/ > ___ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > -- The Palm PDK Hot Apps Program offers developers who use the Plug-In Development Kit to bring their C/C++ apps to Palm for a share of $1 Million in cash or HP Products. Visit us here for more details: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;226879339;13503038;l? http://clk.atdmt.com/CRS/go/247765532/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] AI and Traffic Manager
Thanks Innis, Think that answers my earlier question, in that all the airport activity can be created via the AI traffic manager and the tools on the wiki page. Then how would one create ramp activity for vehicles other that aircraft (tows, fuelers, baggage, etc) or is that just some wild raving idea on my part and not in the current build ;-) I'll examine the traffic files and correlate that with the action at KSFO Thanks again John On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 15:24 +0800, Innis Cunningham wrote: > Hi John > The traffic you see a KSFO is mine the Air Canada aircraft are in the > AI > folder under traffic/A/ACA and the Cathay are under traffic/C/CPA > almost > at the end.They are supposed to move but there are so few of them > that > you need to be lucky to see them move.I think there is a KLM or two > of Durk's too.When I was doing the traffic for KSFO there were other > things going on so I never got anywhere near finishing the traffic > files. > > Cheers > Innis > > > > > Could someone tell me if the AI and traffic manager are active? > Looking > > at the source, seems a lot of code is commented out. Haven't tried > to > > walk thru the code just yet to figure out logic and flow and data > > structures. > > > > When starting at KSFO the "default" seems to be four 737's from Air > > Canada and two 747s at the south end of the terminal, but can't > locate > > the xml file or comand option that stipulates this start condition. > > > > are those active AI models or just static objects placed as > eye-candy? > > > > Any hints would be appreciated ;-) > > > > John W. > > > > __ > Find it on Domain.com.au Need a new place to live? > -- > The Palm PDK Hot Apps Program offers developers who use the > Plug-In Development Kit to bring their C/C++ apps to Palm for a share > of $1 Million in cash or HP Products. Visit us here for more details: > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;226879339;13503038;l? > http://clk.atdmt.com/CRS/go/247765532/direct/01/ > ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list > Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- The Palm PDK Hot Apps Program offers developers who use the Plug-In Development Kit to bring their C/C++ apps to Palm for a share of $1 Million in cash or HP Products. Visit us here for more details: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;226879339;13503038;l? http://clk.atdmt.com/CRS/go/247765532/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Startup problem
On Sunday 25 July 2010 10:29:02 pm fiers...@zonnet.nl wrote: > Op 26-07-10 07:14, fiers...@zonnet.nl schreef: > > Op 25-07-10 19:19, Stefan Seifert schreef: > >> On the other hand, I'm running a system with 100% free software thanks > >> to AMD's releasing of documentation for driver writers for ATI cards. > >> And my ATI card with its free drivers allowed me for the first time in > >> many years not only to run FlightGear but also good video performance, > >> desktop effects in KDE and usable performance with anti aliased fonts > >> which is something NVidia never managed to do for me (some known > >> problems with their drivers which never got fixed). > >> > >> Times change. > > > > True. But remember how many years it took for AMD to come to this > > insight... > > AIT not AMD. Sorry. It took ATI many years, and being purchased by AMD, > probably. > It took about 6 months from the merger date for AMD to change these policies (IE. support open source...) and it was only another month or two before we started see the release of hardware documentation. In large mergers like this is takes about 6 months to a year for things to start settling and for long term directions to be set. AMD did this about as fast as can be expected after the merger and it is clear to me based on my own experience working at companies that had mergers that they intended to do this right from the beginning otherwise it would have taken longer. ATI was a bad actor but they are under new management and that new management has changed directions. AMD is clearly doing the right things here and we should give them credit and encouragement for their efforts.I don't think that ATI would have made this change if the AMD merger had not happened at least not any time soon. As a side note I have read that internally AMD credits much of their success with the Athon 64/Opteron to the open source community. After all it was only months after the hardware was released that users started running Athlon 64 based open source systems and it was fairly clear that the adoption of this hardware in the open source community was much more pervasive than in the Windows world at least in the first few years. Additionally AMD (like Intel I might add) is active in open source efforts and has teams that work on things like GCC and the Linux kernel among other things. AMD and Intel sell hardware and the open source community is a fairly significant segment of that market. Both companies are trying to support that market segment and it benefits all of us that they do. I wish their attitude were more pervasive among other hardware companies. Hal -- The Palm PDK Hot Apps Program offers developers who use the Plug-In Development Kit to bring their C/C++ apps to Palm for a share of $1 Million in cash or HP Products. Visit us here for more details: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;226879339;13503038;l? http://clk.atdmt.com/CRS/go/247765532/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] AI and Traffic Manager
Hi John I have never tried to impliment ramp activity but I think it is done by using the scenario code like was used for the tanker that used to fly in a circle over KSFO. I maybe wrong and people who know may chip in. Cheers Innis > Thanks Innis, > > Think that answers my earlier question, in that all the airport activity > can be created via the AI traffic manager and the tools on the wiki > page. Then how would one create ramp activity for vehicles other that > aircraft (tows, fuelers, baggage, etc) or is that just some wild raving > idea on my part and not in the current build ;-) > > I'll examine the traffic files and correlate that with the action at > KSFO > > Thanks again > John _ New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private? Find it at CarPoint.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/206222968/direct/01/-- The Palm PDK Hot Apps Program offers developers who use the Plug-In Development Kit to bring their C/C++ apps to Palm for a share of $1 Million in cash or HP Products. Visit us here for more details: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;226879339;13503038;l? http://clk.atdmt.com/CRS/go/247765532/direct/01/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
