Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.12 is branched

[Pat]

> 
> If we are going to slip the release, we should only do so once :)
> 
> -Stuart
> 

One reschedule is a good idea.  Would an indefinite delay, with a
promise republishing the schedule by a given date be appropriate or
desirable?

For example

"Due to constraints on our developers' available time, we are
rescheduling the release of the next version of our highly successful
"All in One Integrated Development Environment and Espresso Machine*" 

We expect to have a revised schedule by the second Tuesday of next week"


-Pat

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.12 is branched

[Stuart Buchanan]

On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Torsten Dreyer wrote:
> Permission granted ;-)
>
> As everybody seems to be caught in some real life trouble, I can't see a
> better way to get the release out than delaying it for a while.
>
> Would two weeks be enough for everybody? That will get us to the weekend
> Aug, 31/Sep 1.

I propose pushing out the release by a month. I've got a bit more time available
for FG right now, but not as much as I did 12 months ago, and it sounds like
James and Thorsten R are similarly time limited.  I think it will take
longer than usual to address any issues found in the RCs.

If we are going to slip the release, we should only do so once :)

-Stuart

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.12 is branched

[Torsten Dreyer]

Permission granted ;-)

As everybody seems to be caught in some real life trouble, I can't see a 
better way to get the release out than delaying it for a while.


Would two weeks be enough for everybody? That will get us to the weekend 
Aug, 31/Sep 1.


Torsten

Am 13.08.2013 16:56, schrieb Curtis Olson:
We would need permission from Torsten D, our release manager, but I 
would also second Thorsten R's proposal to defer the 2.12 release by a 
week or two.  I have been spread very thin this summer with my day job 
projects and will be out of town myself on the 16-18 of August.


I think we should at minimum get the Mac and Windows build slaves 
going, generate release candidates for both platforms, and push those 
out in the wild for a week (and address any major issues that surface) 
before finalizing the actual release.


I apologize for not being more out in front of this ... this has been 
the summer from hell (work-wise) for me.


Regards,

Curt.


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:24 AM, James Turner > wrote:



On 13 Aug 2013, at 12:58, Renk Thorsten mailto:thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi>> wrote:


On the risk of making myself really unpopular, but would now be a
good time to defer the release? It seems James is caught in the
middle of moving, Stuart indicated some other private things
piling up, I have the maddest travelling schedule I've ever had
in my life this fall, and I haven't seen a number of other folks
around for a while, we don't have release candidates out which
will have impacts on bugfixes, assuming there'd be anyone around
capable of doing bugfixes,...

It seems we've hit a fluctuation where pretty much everyone is
occupied with something else at the moment (?) - if that's the
case, should we still go ahead?


That's possibly a fair suggestion. I am scheduled to get my new
broadband connection up and running tomorrow (Wednesday) so the
Mac build slave will be available at that time (with decent
upstream bandwidth again). However my time is a bit fragmented and
likely to remain so for a few weeks - I'm happy to merge patches
or anything else anyone explicitly requests, but I'm not focused
enough to start chasing other people to get things done :)

Once the Mac build slave is back, the biggest obstacle to an RC is
getting the Windows build slaves to behave; if anyone on Windows
could look at the Jenkins logs and shed any light, it would help.

Kind regards,
James



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.12 is branched

[Curtis Olson]

We would need permission from Torsten D, our release manager, but I would
also second Thorsten R's proposal to defer the 2.12 release by a week or
two.  I have been spread very thin this summer with my day job projects and
will be out of town myself on the 16-18 of August.

I think we should at minimum get the Mac and Windows build slaves going,
generate release candidates for both platforms, and push those out in the
wild for a week (and address any major issues that surface) before
finalizing the actual release.

I apologize for not being more out in front of this ... this has been the
summer from hell (work-wise) for me.

Regards,

Curt.


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:24 AM, James Turner  wrote:

>
> On 13 Aug 2013, at 12:58, Renk Thorsten  wrote:
>
> On the risk of making myself really unpopular, but would now be a good
> time to defer the release? It seems James is caught in the middle of
> moving, Stuart indicated some other private things piling up, I have the
> maddest travelling schedule I've ever had in my life this fall, and I
> haven't seen a number of other folks around for a while, we don't have
> release candidates out which will have impacts on bugfixes, assuming
> there'd be anyone around capable of doing bugfixes,...
>
> It seems we've hit a fluctuation where pretty much everyone is occupied
> with something else at the moment (?) - if that's the case, should we still
> go ahead?
>
>
> That's possibly a fair suggestion. I am scheduled to get my new broadband
> connection up and running tomorrow (Wednesday) so the Mac build slave will
> be available at that time (with decent upstream bandwidth again). However
> my time is a bit fragmented and likely to remain so for a few weeks - I'm
> happy to merge patches or anything else anyone explicitly requests, but I'm
> not focused enough to start chasing other people to get things done :)
>
> Once the Mac build slave is back, the biggest obstacle to an RC is getting
> the Windows build slaves to behave; if anyone on Windows could look at the
> Jenkins logs and shed any light, it would help.
>
> Kind regards,
> James
>
>
>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.12 is branched

[James Turner]

On 13 Aug 2013, at 12:58, Renk Thorsten  wrote:

> On the risk of making myself really unpopular, but would now be a good time 
> to defer the release? It seems James is caught in the middle of moving, 
> Stuart indicated some other private things piling up, I have the maddest 
> travelling schedule I've ever had in my life this fall, and I haven't seen a 
> number of other folks around for a while, we don't have release candidates 
> out which will have impacts on bugfixes, assuming there'd be anyone around 
> capable of doing bugfixes,...
> 
> It seems we've hit a fluctuation where pretty much everyone is occupied with 
> something else at the moment (?) - if that's the case, should we still go 
> ahead?

That's possibly a fair suggestion. I am scheduled to get my new broadband 
connection up and running tomorrow (Wednesday) so the Mac build slave will be 
available at that time (with decent upstream bandwidth again). However my time 
is a bit fragmented and likely to remain so for a few weeks - I'm happy to 
merge patches or anything else anyone explicitly requests, but I'm not focused 
enough to start chasing other people to get things done :)

Once the Mac build slave is back, the biggest obstacle to an RC is getting the 
Windows build slaves to behave; if anyone on Windows could look at the Jenkins 
logs and shed any light, it would help.

Kind regards,
James

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.12 is branched

[Renk Thorsten]

On the risk of making myself really unpopular, but would now be a good time to 
defer the release? It seems James is caught in the middle of moving, Stuart 
indicated some other private things piling up, I have the maddest travelling 
schedule I've ever had in my life this fall, and I haven't seen a number of 
other folks around for a while, we don't have release candidates out which will 
have impacts on bugfixes, assuming there'd be anyone around capable of doing 
bugfixes,...

It seems we've hit a fluctuation where pretty much everyone is occupied with 
something else at the moment (?) - if that's the case, should we still go ahead?

* Thorsten 
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