Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear and VoiceOver

2013-09-09 Thread Sandi Jazmin Kruse
hi, actually he will not need voiceover inside of flight gear,
And his french language should most definitely be installed by
default, if not it is pretty easy to do.
The way it works if he is blind and is on a mac, can also work on
linux is to take all of the variables and pass the numbers along too a
synth, and he will get his information that way.
Installing it so it works is a little hairy but i can write a short
how to if needed :)


best






Sandi

On 9/9/13, Olivier  wrote:
> Hi Elise,
>
>
>
> 
>  De : Élise Carvalho 
> À : "flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net"
> 
> Envoyé le : Lundi 9 septembre 2013 14h23
> Objet : [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear and VoiceOver
>
>
>> VoiceOver can read menues but not submenues. Will it be repared in the new
>> release coming soon?
>> ( I'm sorry for my english but it's not easy for me to explain this
>> problem ( i'm french ), as i don't use yet flightgear,
>
> This is surely due to the fact that the main menu items are translated into
> French but not the submenus, at least not yet - it's the same for all
> languages. So as they are in English, the voice recognition systems probably
> doesn't get them right. He probably has to install some kind of English
> language data.
>
> Glad to hear some more French users over here.
> Olivier
>

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft - impressions on a new PC

2013-09-09 Thread Michael
Git never worked easily for me...any simple instructions somewhere? Thanks





 From: Renk Thorsten 
To: FlightGear developers discussions  
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft - impressions on a new 
PC
 

> Did a fresh install and needed all day to get ~7GB of aircrafts only to  
> find that my most loved the IAR 80 has gone.-
>
> Who was ridden by hell to remove the best airplane?

The author himself. But you've downloaded 7 GB of GIT repository, not 7 GB of 
aircraft, and the GIT repository contains all the commit history, so you can 
restore the IAR 80 from there if you like.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft - impressions on a new PC

2013-09-09 Thread Renk Thorsten
> Did a fresh install and needed all day to get ~7GB of aircrafts only to  
> find that my most loved the IAR 80 has gone.-
>
> Who was ridden by hell to remove the best airplane?

The author himself. But you've downloaded 7 GB of GIT repository, not 7 GB of 
aircraft, and the GIT repository contains all the commit history, so you can 
restore the IAR 80 from there if you like.

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[Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft - impressions on a new PC

2013-09-09 Thread Michael
+1 Thanks.

Did a fresh install and needed all day to get ~7GB of aircrafts only to find 
that my most loved the IAR 80 has gone.-

Who was ridden by hell to remove the best airplane? 90% off all aircrafts could 
be moved to inactive as they didn't see 
more than a added gauge for the last years.- GPL doesn't need to be removed but 
rather we need a category "inactive" or so.
Also a search by name, as I needed scrolling aircrafts for 10 minutes.

Even on my new Haswell with a GTX 770 I only get 9FPS on a deserted airport.- 
But with that machine I can even 
max out FSX.

Also no 850 apt.dat integration and I didn't use fgfs for a year or so.

Cheers Michael







On 09/03/2013 03:28 PM, James Turner wrote:
> For 3.0 I will be making FGData significantly smaller, since the size of
> the Git repo is indeed a big problem.

A huge +1 with my packager's hat on.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters

2013-09-09 Thread Alan Teeder
Torsten

Have you any more thoughts on this? 

Alan

From: Alan Teeder 
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 2:21 PM
To: FlightGear developers discussions 
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters

Torsten

Thanks for looking at my code.

Yes – there is already an integrator in the PI and PID filters. But the same 
can be said for derivative and gain. Min/max clamping via u-max and u-min 
appears to be working correctly in my integrator. Having a specific integrator 
filter makes the resultant XML file easier to read than hiding it inside a PI 
filter. It is also possible to make a washout filter from the existing gain and 
exponential filters.

I see nothing wrong with extending the exponential filter, if that improves the 
code. High-pass and low pass-are just different flavours of the same thing. I 
coded the high-pass filter separately as it seemed the easiest way for me to 
implement such a filter.

The aliases reflect the names that are in common usage. Lag and washout are 
used colloquially in control engineering, whilst high-pass and low-pass are 
rather more formal. The existing exponential filter name is too vague, and 
should be deprecated. It is true that a rate-limit can be used as a noise-spike 
filter, but there are other ways to remove spikes, so noise-spike should also 
be deprecated.

My overall intention is to make available the same building blocks which were 
used in analogue and early digital autopilots, and to use the same terminology.

For completeness, there may be a case for adding band-pass and band-stop 
filters, but these have very few applications in autopilots.

Alan



From: Torsten Dreyer 
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 12:31 PM
To: FlightGear developers discussions 
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters

Hi Alan,

thank you for your patch. I have a few, probably dumb questions:

* Isn't the your new integrator filter the same as a pi-simple-controller with 
Kp=1 and no min/max clamping?
* What would you think about extending the exponential filter to make it behave 
like a high-pass or low-pass like
low-pass or high-pass. That would not double existing 
code.
* What is the purpose for adding alias names for existing filters? 

Cheers,
Torsten


Am 27.07.2013 10:27, schrieb Alan Teeder:



  From: Torsten Dreyer 
  Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:47 AM
  To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net 
  Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters

  Post a diff or the modified files or a link to a tarball here and I'll have a 
look.
  Probably a good start for me to get back into the loop after almost two years 
of absence...

  Torsten


  

  Thanks Torsten.

  The files are zipped at 
http://v-twin.dynip.sapo.pt/alan/FG/digitalfilter.zip. (10kb)

  At some time I will need to add a means of initialising the Integral filter 
to a  .

  Alan







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[Flightgear-devel] Heads up: A-10, B-52F, AN-2225 and MiG-15 and users of moving-average filter

2013-09-09 Thread Torsten Dreyer
Hi all,

the implementation of the autopilot filter "moving-average" has changed.
Actually, the previous implementation gave incorrect results and this 
bug has now been fixed in the next branch.

A quick grep through the Aircraft folder came up with
A-10, B-52F, AN-2225 and MiG-15 using the moving-average filter in their 
A/P config files.

Please check, if those aircraft still work as expected.

Greetings,
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[Flightgear-devel] fgelev

2013-09-09 Thread Thomas Albrecht
Hi,

can someone (Mathias?) please enlighten me about fgelev usage? Skimming through 
the source, I understand that I need to provide --fg-root and --fg-scenery, but 
how do I specify which location to probe? 

fgelev --fg-root $FG_ROOT --fg-scenery $FG_SCENERY << EOF
13.0 
51.0
EOF

doesn't seem to work.

Tom

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear and VoiceOver

2013-09-09 Thread Olivier
Hi Elise,




 De : Élise Carvalho 
À : "flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net" 
 
Envoyé le : Lundi 9 septembre 2013 14h23
Objet : [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear and VoiceOver
 

> VoiceOver can read menues but not submenues. Will it be repared in the new 
> release coming soon?
> ( I'm sorry for my english but it's not easy for me to explain this problem ( 
> i'm french ), as i don't use yet flightgear,

This is surely due to the fact that the main menu items are translated into 
French but not the submenus, at least not yet - it's the same for all 
languages. So as they are in English, the voice recognition systems probably 
doesn't get them right. He probably has to install some kind of English 
language data.

Glad to hear some more French users over here.
Olivier
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[Flightgear-devel] Flightgear and VoiceOver

2013-09-09 Thread Élise Carvalho
Hello,
I contact you for a friend of mine. He asked me to do it. He is blind and uses 
flightgear but he told me about a problem with VoiceOver and flightgear. 
VoiceOver can read menues but not submenues. Will it be repared in the new 
release coming soon? ( I'm sorry for my english but it's not easy for me to 
explain this problem ( i'm french ), as i don't use yet flightgear, and my 
friend told me the problem he encountered but he can't speak english so i 
relate what he told me. I can try to explain better.  
Thank you for your help.


Elise Carvalho



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Performance and 3d cloud switch

2013-09-09 Thread Erik Hofman
On 09/09/2013 12:59 PM, Renk Thorsten wrote:
>
> A report of performance dramatically improving for advanced weather when 3d 
> clouds are switched off in the rendering menu (you still get to see 3d clouds)
>
> http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=16630&start=30#p189983
>
> I've played around with this, and I can't reproduce any significant framerate 
> difference. It is true that the cloud effect file doesn't condition on the 3d 
> cloud switch at all, so Advanced Weather generates 3d clouds no matter what 
> you select here (it can't do 2d clouds at all) - which may be a little 
> confusing, but I have no good idea how to handle this gracefully. Maybe the 
> switch should go away from rendering to the Basic Weather GUI? But that's a 
> side issue.
>
> I have no idea where any performance increase might be coming from though - 
> as far as I know, the shaders are completely unaware of this. Can anyone 
> reproduce the finding? Stuart, any idea where this could come from?

I was testing anyhow so I did a quick test. I don't see any improvement 
either. What (I think) can happen is that older (fgrun) config files 
could cause bad behaviour, especially when properties change function 
between FlightGear versions (for instance the effects level slider).

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[Flightgear-devel] Performance and 3d cloud switch

2013-09-09 Thread Renk Thorsten

A report of performance dramatically improving for advanced weather when 3d 
clouds are switched off in the rendering menu (you still get to see 3d clouds) 

http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=16630&start=30#p189983

I've played around with this, and I can't reproduce any significant framerate 
difference. It is true that the cloud effect file doesn't condition on the 3d 
cloud switch at all, so Advanced Weather generates 3d clouds no matter what you 
select here (it can't do 2d clouds at all) - which may be a little confusing, 
but I have no good idea how to handle this gracefully. Maybe the switch should 
go away from rendering to the Basic Weather GUI? But that's a side issue.

I have no idea where any performance increase might be coming from though - as 
far as I know, the shaders are completely unaware of this. Can anyone reproduce 
the finding? Stuart, any idea where this could come from?

* Thorsten
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