Re: [Flightgear-devel] mpserver08 has trouble accepting messages
I've received nothing on Tuesday or Thursday - maybe a new exercise routine; i.e., MWF, no TT. :) -Original Message- From: Arnt Karlsen [mailto:a...@c2i.net] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 8:43 AM To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] mpserver08 has trouble accepting messages On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:10:17 +0100, Roland wrote in message <1299845417.22463.27.camel@quix0r>: > Sorry that I need to send over the public devel mailing list. But my > mails to Oliver's email account got rejected: Cannot side if local or > remote. ..if it helps, I can confirm this is the first post I've seen here in 2 days. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sinking feeling - c172 on gravel runway
I don't know about y'all, and even though I am not a developer, y'all deserve a tremendous vote of thanks and appreciation for all you've done for this community. And, as I said that I'm not a developer, I have learned a lot in the short time I've monitored the conversations. Y'all have a great team. Regards, D. A. Andre CDR, USN (ret) -Original Message- From: Gene Buckle [mailto:ge...@deltasoft.com] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:02 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sinking feeling - c172 on gravel runway On Fri, 11 Feb 2011, Jon S. Berndt wrote: >> I think ya'll just need to hang this one up and let it alone. >> >> g. > > I know. What a love-fest, eh? ;-) > Indeed. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sinking feeling - c172 on gravel runway
I've not met a programmer/developer yet who was a shrinking violet. It keeps everyone energized. Regards, Duane -Original Message- From: Alasdair [mailto:ali...@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:46 AM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sinking feeling - c172 on gravel runway xOn Fri, 2011-02-11 at 20:43 -0500, Duane Andre wrote: > I don't know about y'all, and even though I am not a developer, y'all > deserve a tremendous vote of thanks and appreciation for all you've > done for this community. And, as I said that I'm not a developer, I > have learned a lot in the short time I've monitored the conversations. > Y'all have a great team. > > Regards, > D. A. Andre > CDR, USN (ret) > > -Original Message- > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:ge...@deltasoft.com] > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:02 PM > To: FlightGear developers discussions > Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sinking feeling - c172 on gravel > runway > > On Fri, 11 Feb 2011, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > > >> I think ya'll just need to hang this one up and let it alone. > >> > >> g. > > > > I know. What a love-fest, eh? ;-) > > > Indeed. > > g. > Welcome to this space Commander. Here you will find self-opionated bastards such as as I, cool, calm and collected presidents-to-be like Curt, private owners of multi-million super-jet airframes like Gene (well, maybe not so many of them), hard-working and solid contributers like James, brilliant theorists and marvellous pragmatists. The list is far too long to enummerate, and I am sure I will be forgiven for not mentioning them all at this point. You might even bump into some odd fellows who substitude insult for argument and vitriol for wit. They may need and sometimes deserve our sympathy, but never command our audience. Well, not mine, anyroads. Here we are, the Good, the Bad and even the extremely Ugly. Glad to have you on board for what promises to be a bumpy ride (Sick bags are obligatory but must be provided at your own expense). Instrument Landing Systems tricky at best, Air Traffic Control Sytems horrible at worst and getting more inaudible with every step toward improvement. But you wouldn't really love her if she were perfect, would you? Who else could you growl at in the cold light of dawn? -- Kind regards, Alasdair -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] .."IP" and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request
Re: Red Bull. One could ask for forgiveness rather than permission. But, another approach might be to go directly to Red Bull for permission to use their trademark in return for free advertising for them. I don't know how several RC aircraft makers 'solved' this issue. There are several RC aircraft with the Red Bull livery in addition to several other trademarked liveries. However, one never really knows how lawyers will react on a case by case basis. Regards, Duane -Original Message- From: Reagan Thomas [mailto:thomas...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:12 AM To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] .."IP" and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request On 2/15/2011 8:27 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:50:36 -0800, Jack wrote in message > <72e5b800-d213-466d-bf46-c3d33d4ae...@gmail.com>: > >> Hi, >> >> The Red Bull livery has been removed from this release. >> >> Download: http://jackmermod.bplaced.net/Files/cobra21511.zip >> >> I find it ridiculous and a bit immature how Oliver people whine about >> a simple logo. >> >> If Oliver really cared about preventing fictitious lawsuits as he >> claims to, he would concentrate his efforts on the several red bull >> logos that are already in our database. > .._where_? > >> If this thread is further interfered with, I will be forced to result >> to more forceful methods of having my work committed, or I may very >> well change the license back to the CC license and our community will >> have missed out on a very high quality aircraft. >> >> Regards, >>Jack > > ..now, imagine where _we_ would have been if tSCOG _had_ a case > against Big Blue. You would have had to pay tSCOG US $1499 (or > whatever it was) for every thread in your cpu. They were targeting > GPL code, and the GPL itself, as anti-American. > > ..even as we celebrate the approaching conclusion of: > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110215183557939 in > http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20040319041857760 > it is _just_ a side show. http://groklaw.net/ has waaay more. > Jack, You know who takes trademark law seriously? Trademark owners. An owner must protect their trademarks from being used in ways that decrease the value to them. This tends to be two areas, one very specific and the other kind of broad. The first thing they must protect against is their trademark becoming generic; if everyone refers to an adhesive bandage as a "Band-Aid", then Johnson and Johnson, who owns that trademark, runs the risk of losing the exclusive use of it. In fact, they made their advertising jingle many years ago to include "stuck on Band-Aid brand" as a very public way of asserting their ownership of the brand. Did you know Otis Elevator company came up with and trademarked the name "escalator"? They did not actively (enough) assert their ownership of that trademark and have lost any rights of exclusivity to it. It is now a generic term that any company can use to refer to stairs that move or anything else, for that matter. In these cases, it is an *urgent* obligation of the trademark owner to sue the pants off of any infringer. The remaining broad category is your trademark being used in any other way that decreases its value to you. This can be using it to refer to products or things it isn't intended to be associated with, removing the focus from the owner's product(s). Worse are cases where a trademark is used in ways that are harmful to the image of the owner or the owner's products. A hopefully imaginary example here might be the questionable marketing practices of certain people who are selling FlightGear to the public. Hell, even *we* don't want to be associated with them... why would Red Bull (tm) like it any better? They have much more to lose, in terms of gross dollars, than anyone here does if their trademarks were to become associated with misbehavior. So, you might say, let them go after ProSimFraud if they are misbehaving. The ProFraudSimulator people would simply point to FlightGear and say, "hey this is Open Source and *they* did it!" This topic has come up here before and I even checked with American Airlines about use of their logos/trademarks. Their answer was dense legal talk that I roughly translated to mean "we realize we can't stop everybody from using our logos, but boy howdy, we have the right to kick your ass in court if you do it and tick us off!" How is open source Red Hat Enterprise different from open source CentOS? Trademarks. The words "Red Hat" and any logos owned by them are completely removed by the CentOS group, leaving the only encumbrances those obligations covered by the GPL. It's kind of neat that you can take a Red Hat installation, point it to a CentOS repository instead of the Red Hat network and have it install updates. When the updates are complete, Ta dah! You now have a CentOS branded installation. Back on p
Re: [Flightgear-devel] .."IP" and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request
Although Flight Gear is a 'not for profit', there are at least a couple of 'businesses' (ProFlightSimulator & FlightProSimulator) that use FGS's software as their core including aircraft and world map. And, since those companies are in the 'for profit' realm, certain companies that are really serious about trademark infringement might consider going after them and, by association, come after FGS precisely because FGS software is the core of their product(s). Just a thought. Regards, Duane -Original Message- From: Stuart Buchanan [mailto:stuar...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:29 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Cc: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] .."IP" and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request Curt wrote: > So why aren't we *removing* all our existing uses of the redbull logo ... or at least the ones that I can find in 2 seconds? None of the people who are saying Jack can't submit his helicopter with a redbull livery are saying anything about the 2 aircraft and several scenery database models that clearly also use the redbull logo and have existed in our sim for years. IMO we should do just that (and they shouldn't have been included in the first place). I had forgotten about them when I wrote my first email on this subject, otherwise I would have suggested they be removed as well. We should be consistent. However given that there us such disagreement on this subject I'm not going to unilaterally remove them. I think by far the best option is to wait to see what comes out of the request that someone on the forums made to RB. Assuming they reply that will provide clarification one way or the other. > This smells strongly of a case where we like our policy better when it's applied to others and not ourselves. I'm not saying there isn't some logical explanation that I'm totally missing, I'm just saying what it smells like to me. Yes, you've said so twice. I think I've answered why I do not think that is the case and given an explicit example where the same standards have been applied to my own work. I'd like to think that you had a slightly higher opinion of my motives :) I have a policy of always assuming the best of intentions in others, even if I disagree with them. It's a great way to avoid getting worked up about things. -Stuart -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
