Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATIS upgrades
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:17 AM, John Denker wrote: I just now pushed a couple more ATIS upgrades to http://gitorious.org/~jsd/fg/sport-model/commits/atishttp://gitorious.org/%7Ejsd/fg/sport-model/commits/atis One of them will, alas, require rebuilding the voice snippet data. http://www.av8n.com/festival/ Mostly this is to improve the internationalization. Hi John, These are committed, thanks! There was one significant change in behaviour which I've reverted for now. Previously, inches were used globally by default, unless /sim/atc/use-millibars was set in which case millibars were used in the UK. Your patch rightly removed the UK-centric nature of the code and expanded millibar usage to all non-US or Canada countries, but also set millibars to be used regardless of that property, with that property forcing millibar usage for the US and Canada as well when set true. I've reverted to the previous behaviour for that property, which means that inches are used globally by default, and if the user sets that property then millibars are used everywhere except US and Canada. I realise that that means that the incorrect units are used in most countries by default, whereas your code used the correct units in most countries by default, but as far as I can tell FG's altimeter setting dialog and most (all?) of the knollsman windows only have inches, regardless of worldwide location of the airplane, so I didn't want to upset the current behaviour so close to a release. If I'm wrong, and FG's aircraft do have millibar support for altimeters, I'll put it back. I'll put it back after the release anyway, to encourage millibar/hectapascal support :-) Cheers - Dave -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATIS upgrades
On 01/04/2011 05:51 PM, Dave L wrote: I've reverted to the previous behaviour for that property, which means that inches are used globally by default, and if the user sets that property then millibars are used everywhere except US and Canada. I realise that that means that the incorrect units are used in most countries by default, whereas your code used the correct units in most countries by default, but as far as I can tell FG's altimeter setting dialog and most (all?) of the knollsman windows only have inches, regardless of worldwide location of the airplane, so I didn't want to upset the current behaviour so close to a release. I agree with all that. I apologize for not thinking enough about the compatibility issues. I'll put it back after the release anyway, to encourage millibar/hectapascal support :-) How about this for an idea: We define a new property /sim/atc/use-inhg to exist alongside /sim/atc/use-millibars with the following specification: -- You always get the native format for your locale. -- You always get the format called for by the properties mentioned above. -- If this means you get *both* the altimeter setting (inHg) *and* the QNH (millibars), so be it. That's a feature. I further suggest that if we make /sim/atc/use-inhg true by default, at least for now, then we can code it this way before the release. There is an upside and no downside. The idea of having ATIS speak *both* formats (when requested) means instrument designers are _able_ to switch without being _required_ to switch, which is the way I like to do things. Or ... does somebody have a better suggestion? -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATIS upgrades
-Original Message- From: John Denker [mailto:j...@av8n.com] Sent: 03 January 2011 02:03 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATIS upgrades Hi -- On 01/02/2011 06:37 PM, you wrote: Can I just clarify whether you are happy to have your scripts committed to flightgear/utils in addition to being available from your website? Yes, happy. Public domain, not GPL. If so, I'll add them ASAP. Er ... not GPL. That would be a show-stopper then? Vivian -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATIS upgrades
Hi Vivian, public domain is less restrictive than the GPL so it's GPL compatible. Where we run into trouble is with licenses that are more restrictive than the GPL and explicitly disallow something the GPL allows. Regards, Curt. On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Vivian Meazza wrote: -Original Message- From: John Denker [mailto:j...@av8n.com] Sent: 03 January 2011 02:03 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATIS upgrades Hi -- On 01/02/2011 06:37 PM, you wrote: Can I just clarify whether you are happy to have your scripts committed to flightgear/utils in addition to being available from your website? Yes, happy. Public domain, not GPL. If so, I'll add them ASAP. Er ... not GPL. That would be a show-stopper then? Vivian -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/curt/http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/personal/curt/ -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATIS upgrades
I just now pushed a couple more ATIS upgrades to http://gitorious.org/~jsd/fg/sport-model/commits/atis One of them will, alas, require rebuilding the voice snippet data. http://www.av8n.com/festival/ Mostly this is to improve the internationalization. -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] ATIS upgrades (was: New release)
On 01/02/2011 09:21 AM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: - Romeo is being pronounced Romo. Might be a typo in the transcript? It's not a typo, just lousy pronunciation by the synthesizer (festival). Note that if you are worried about typos, you can check for yourself by looking at the property tree http://localhost:5400/instrumentation/comm http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=241 Some small fixes to the code are at http://gitorious.org/~jsd/fg/sport-model/commits/atis On the data side of things, upgraded .vce and .wav files are at http://www.av8n.com/festival/ Finally, would it be worth checking the script into flightgear/utils ? In order for things to be truly open, i.e. open in spirit and open in practice (not just GPLed in some legalistic sense), I support making the scripts available. The various scripts for building and testing the ATIS/voice stuff can be found at http://www.av8n.com/festival/ Note that there is a voice.pl script that allows you to test a lot of stuff with relative convenience and flexibility; you don't even need to fire up FG. -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATIS upgrades (was: New release)
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:53 PM, John Denker wrote: On 01/02/2011 09:21 AM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=241 Some small fixes to the code are at http://gitorious.org/~jsd/fg/sport-model/commits/atishttp://gitorious.org/%7Ejsd/fg/sport-model/commits/atis On the data side of things, upgraded .vce and .wav files are at http://www.av8n.com/festival/ Thanks John, these have been committed now. Stuart - I think you can safely close that bug already :-) Finally, would it be worth checking the script into flightgear/utils ? In order for things to be truly open, i.e. open in spirit and open in practice (not just GPLed in some legalistic sense), I support making the scripts available. The various scripts for building and testing the ATIS/voice stuff can be found at http://www.av8n.com/festival/ Can I just clarify whether you are happy to have your scripts committed to flightgear/utils in addition to being available from your website? If so, I'll add them ASAP. Cheers - Dave -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATIS upgrades
Hi -- On 01/02/2011 06:37 PM, you wrote: Can I just clarify whether you are happy to have your scripts committed to flightgear/utils in addition to being available from your website? Yes, happy. Public domain, not GPL. If so, I'll add them ASAP. Thanks! -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
