Re: [Flightgear-devel] First time build
On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 21:29 -0500, Roberto Waltman wrote: On 11/28/2010 06:36 PM, Martin Spott wrote: Did you check if the download really maxes out your DSL link ? Yes. It did, but not all the time. I saw numbers ranging from 120 Kb/sec (the maximum I ever get,) down to 35 Kb/sec. Hi Roberto, Martin, You are LUCKY ;=)) I sometimes see just 20 Kb/sec, or less... a full clone is 'days'!, and only using --depth 1 saves my sanity... gitorious is _SLOW_ for me, most of the time, regardless of the clone size... On a mapserver clone I can see 200, or even 300+ Kb/sec, so this is what I use now... Thanks for this alternate... But also I would certainly welcome a re-opening of the split 'fgdata' repo discussion... I forget how it exactly ended, except no change was made... There seemed some good ideas in there... My --depth 1 clone is about 6GB, with Aircraft being abt 3.4GB. It seems to makes sense to have say a new 'fgair' repo of 2-3GB, reducing the present fgdata 'base' to 2-4GB? Nearly a split in 2... Maybe fgfs exe could be adjusted to look in $FG_ROOT/fgair, as well as $FG_ROOT/Aircraft, then 'aircraft' could be cloned, and updated into/inside the 'base' clone directory, like - data/Aircraft /fgair /AI /.git ... and base .gitignore adjusted to ignore this 'fgair'... and not to some 'separate' local directory, which would then involve copying, moving, etc... Anyway, glad to hear your first build went well overall... enjoy the flying... Geoff. -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] First time build
Geoff McLane wrote: On a mapserver clone I can see 200, or even 300+ Kb/sec, so this is what I use now... Thanks for this alternate... You're welcome . these wonderful ressources are not mine, I'm just maintaining the site ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] First time build
Roberto Waltman wrote: My long term interests are to build a multiple computer/multiple monitor system, (already have an X-Plane based system like that, want to try FlightGear) and to try to use/port/convert Microsoft's FS scenery with FlightGear. (Megascenery in particular) Depending on the format of this Megascenery, converting scenery might prove to be rather difficult. The technical part of converting file formats might be feasible, but the way of organizing scenery is probably a lot different. So, please be prepared to deal with a few surprises :-) The multi-monitor setup should be rather simple these days - you just have to buy the hardware https://photos-3.dropbox.com/i/o/k3FspFi0namcvTKhg_pUFqzu_NM83iumPvOgqkeVGec/7455889/1291129200/11c3e98 These are ten screens connected to one single machine running FlightGear. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] First time build
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Martin Spott wrote: Roberto Waltman wrote: My long term interests are to build a multiple computer/multiple monitor system, (already have an X-Plane based system like that, want to try FlightGear) and to try to use/port/convert Microsoft's FS scenery with FlightGear. (Megascenery in particular) Depending on the format of this Megascenery, converting scenery might prove to be rather difficult. The technical part of converting file formats might be feasible, but the way of organizing scenery is probably a lot different. So, please be prepared to deal with a few surprises :-) The multi-monitor setup should be rather simple these days - you just have to buy the hardware https://photos-3.dropbox.com/i/o/k3FspFi0namcvTKhg_pUFqzu_NM83iumPvOgqkeVGec/7455889/1291129200/11c3e98 These are ten screens connected to one single machine running FlightGear. Hi Roberto, Just for the record (and to echo Martin's suggestion) FlightGear supports a variety of multi-monitor configurations. 1. The old/expensive way is to have one PC for each display and then sync them together over the network (one master server + n clients that sync to the master.) We have supported this natively for many many years. 2. For the last 2+ (?) years we have supported multiple displays attached to a single PC. You can get motherboards with multiple PCI express slots for multiple video cards and typical nVidia graphics cards usually support 2 monitors each. I have played with a machine that had 4 video cards for a total of 8 monitors, and Martin and Torsten and the FSWeekend group had a machine with 5 video cards for a total of 10 displays. FlightGear is based on OSG which supports a highly threaded architecture, so you can run multiple displays on multiple CPU/core machines and have quite impressive results. 3. FlightGear also supports drawing a camera view to a portion of the display. This provides excellent support for devices like the Matrox Triple Head 2 Go box. Your computer thinks you have 1 large display, but you can divide that display into 3 separate camera views and set the view parameters for each camera. This allows you to account for the frame around each display so that straight lines in the scenery line up from one display to the next and you avoid stair stepping of the horizon in turns. 4. More recently, several of our developers have been looking at supporting curved displays ... like projecting onto a wrap around cylinder, or even a parabolic curved screen to produce a collimated display (infinite focus/3d) like the multimillion $$$ full motion sims use. This code is just being hashed out right now so it's not ready for prime time. At the moment we are building the hooks and Tim has a simple demo of a transform that would be appropriate for projecting inside a dome. This is all very exciting stuff, especially for those that are interested in home cockpit building and pushing the state of the art forward and mimicking what is done at the absolute top end of the simulation world. Best regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/curt/http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/personal/curt/ -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] First time build
A word of thanks and praise among the build problems posted periodically here. I just wanted to report that a first attempt to download and build FlightGear/SimGear/etc. following the instructions in the wiki went along without a hitch. Only (minor) problem was that the required package libungif4 is now part of giflib-tools instead a separate entity. (Ubuntu 10.10, 32bit) Another inconvenience was the time required to download fgdata. (Took more than a day with my low-end DSL connection, all the time crossing fingers for a power-glitch free session.) I am not familiar with git, but surely something can be done to create a smaller data set (with just a few airplanes and airports, for example) that will allow people to get up and running in a shorter time. (Will be glad to take a stab at this after I learn more about the system.) My long term interests are to build a multiple computer/multiple monitor system, (already have an X-Plane based system like that, want to try FlightGear) and to try to use/port/convert Microsoft's FS scenery with FlightGear. (Megascenery in particular) Any pointers to get started will be appreciated Again, thanks for making this project what it is. -- Roberto Waltman -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] First time build
Roberto Waltman wrote: Another inconvenience was the time required to download fgdata. (Took more than a day with my low-end DSL connection, all the time crossing fingers for a power-glitch free session.) Did you check if the download really maxes out your DSL link ? Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] First time build
On 11/28/2010 06:36 PM, Martin Spott wrote: Did you check if the download really maxes out your DSL link ? Yes. It did, but not all the time. I saw numbers ranging from 120 Kb/sec (the maximum I ever get,) down to 35 Kb/sec. -- Roberto Waltman -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
