Re: [Flightgear-devel] Key Bindings

2013-03-06 Thread Vic Marriott
>>> Vic, I think you missed a key line in my original email <<<

Guilty as charged M'lud.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Key Bindings

2013-03-04 Thread Erik Hofman

The discussion reminded me of a blog post I once read:

http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/content.php?11603-Is-The-Default-Keyboard-Layout-Still-Relevant

Might be worth reading, but also might be worth forgetting afterwards.
Sometimes it's good to read someone else’s experience though.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Key Bindings

2013-03-04 Thread James Turner

On 4 Mar 2013, at 07:43, Vic Marriott  wrote:

> Hi James,
> 
> Personally, I use 'ctrl' a lot when making my own shortcuts (outside FG). I'm 
> sure I can't be the only Mac user to do this. An example: If you were to 
> allocate 'ctrl+s' to a common FG function, using 'ctrl+s' sends my Mac to 
> 'Sleep' wether I am using an application or not. Perhaps it would be better 
> to go with the 'cmd' key on Macs.
> 
> I think removing old, out of date functions to make room for up to date ones 
> is a good idea though.

Vic, I think you missed a key line in my original email. To be fair, it was 
parenthesised.

On Mac, the relevant (system-wide, universally-accepted) modifier for the kind 
of shortcuts I'm discussing, it NOT *Ctrl* - it's the 'Command' key, formerly 
know as the 'Apple' key. I can take a strong bet you don't have lots of custom 
bindings on your Mac for 'Cmd-Q, Cmd-C, Cmd-Z' because you would find it quite 
hard to quit, copy or undo in 90% of applications you use, using the keyboard.

The Ctrl key-binding space on Linux / Windows, and the equivalent Cmd/Apple 
space on Mac, are assumed by pretty much everybody to drive application 
specific shortcuts for GUI items - what I'm proposing would be to attempt to 
align FlightGear with that behaviour. 

James


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Key Bindings

2013-03-03 Thread Vic Marriott
James said,

'What I'd like to see is the entire 'Ctrl' (Command on Mac) space reserved for 
GUI functions, like a normal application - Ctrl-Q for quit, Ctrl-M for map 
dialog, Ctrl-A for autopilot dialog, Ctrl-R for replay dialog (or radios dialog 
:)  - then have a complete discussion about which key-bindings make sense on 
the main keyboard. This is basically a usability discussion, so everyone will 
have strong opinions :)

Hi James,

Personally, I use 'ctrl' a lot when making my own shortcuts (outside FG). I'm 
sure I can't be the only Mac user to do this. An example: If you were to 
allocate 'ctrl+s' to a common FG function, using 'ctrl+s' sends my Mac to 
'Sleep' wether I am using an application or not. Perhaps it would be better to 
go with the 'cmd' key on Macs.

I think removing old, out of date functions to make room for up to date ones is 
a good idea though.

Cheers,
Vic
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