Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenStreetMap Open Database License
Hi Rob, Rob Oates wrote: Why not simply ship scenery compiled with the osm data under a different license? A lot of what ends up in our Scenery is covered by the GPL and personally I don't feel like having our own license debate about how to deal with this stuff. This alone is, from my perspective, a reason strong enough not to even think about changing the license under which we're going to ship the Scenery aside from the simple fact that I'm not inclined to change _our_ license because _others_ didn't manage to get it right. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenStreetMap Open Database License
Tim Moore wrote: Obviously you've been following this more closely than I, but doesn't the proposed license specifically allow the use of OSM data in applications like flight simulators, with a fairly liberal license? I originally added the use case - it's been tweaked slightly since then, and is currently awaiting a response from the lawyer. Not really much to do until that decision materialises. Jon -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenStreetMap Open Database License
Jon Stockill wrote: Tim Moore wrote: Obviously you've been following this more closely than I, but doesn't the proposed license specifically allow the use of OSM data in applications like flight simulators, with a fairly liberal license? I originally added the use case - it's been tweaked slightly since then, and is currently awaiting a response from the lawyer. Not really much to do until that decision materialises. Well, neither the former nor the current wording of the computer game use case actually reflect the process of extracting road data from the OSM planet dump via 'osm2pgsql', compiling this into FlightGear Scenery and to distribute the result under the GPL (as we've been doing for ages). At least this is my understanding, therefore I still do sense the need for clarification. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenStreetMap Open Database License
Why not simply ship scenery compiled with the osm data under a different license? On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.netwrote: Jon Stockill wrote: Tim Moore wrote: Obviously you've been following this more closely than I, but doesn't the proposed license specifically allow the use of OSM data in applications like flight simulators, with a fairly liberal license? I originally added the use case - it's been tweaked slightly since then, and is currently awaiting a response from the lawyer. Not really much to do until that decision materialises. Well, neither the former nor the current wording of the computer game use case actually reflect the process of extracting road data from the OSM planet dump via 'osm2pgsql', compiling this into FlightGear Scenery and to distribute the result under the GPL (as we've been doing for ages). At least this is my understanding, therefore I still do sense the need for clarification. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenStreetMap Open Database License
Martin Spott wrote: OSM are currently discussing a draft of their to be expected future license for their road database. If you're interesed in having OSM roads show up one day in some future releases of the FlightGear World Scenery, then feel free to reserve some time, start at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License Until now I didn't notice any of those who feel like caring for FlightGear's future actually getting involved into the process. From my very personal perspective this is fine, BUT, we should be aware of the fact that we probably don't get OSM roads into FlightGear Scenery for free. So, if people are looking forward into having FlightGear Scenery releases basing upon OSM roads (one day), they should deal with the OSM re-licensing process and raise their voices there. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] OpenStreetMap Open Database License
OSM are currently discussing a draft of their to be expected future license for their road database. If you're interesed in having OSM roads show up one day in some future releases of the FlightGear World Scenery, then feel free to reserve some time, start at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License and to read through their legal stuff. Don't miss the Use Cases. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenStreetMap Open Database License
Martin Spott wrote: OSM are currently discussing a draft of their to be expected future license for their road database. If you're interesed in having OSM roads show up one day in some future releases of the FlightGear World Scenery, then feel free to reserve some time, start at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License and to read through their legal stuff. Don't miss the Use Cases. In particular 8. Using OSM data in a computer game together with other commercial data Which is the most relevant to us - I think it got extended from my original question about use with other free data. Jon -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenStreetMap Open Database License
Jon Stockill wrote: Martin Spott wrote: and to read through their legal stuff. Don't miss the Use Cases. In particular 8. Using OSM data in a computer game together with other commercial data Which is the most relevant to us - I think it got extended from my original question about use with other free data. Last time I checked the use cases, just a few days ago, the case was describing a setup where pure OSM data is getting pulled by the user !! and merging the data, compiling the Scenery would take place at the users place. With FlightGear Scenery instead, we're distributing precompiled Scenery, which is a lot different well, this procedure might change some day :-) Personally I'm not inclined to get into discussions with people who mostly behave as if they invented the wheel, but I fear we'll have to face it sooner or later once we consider OSM coverage at least to be equal to VMap0 ;-) Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
