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on the article. Sorry about the missent comment. Sometimes the reply button is better than typing in the address, especially when one can't seem to keep the sources straight. Apologies to all. AK
FLUXLIST: Interview with Yael Kanarek
T. Whid interviews Yael Kanarek. Yael Kanarek's World of Awe (http://www.worldofawe.net) is the documentation of a fictional 'traveler' exploring a magical landscape in search of a "lost treasure." We encounter the traveler through an interface, which is both magical and mundane. It looks suspiciously like a Mac or Windows desktop, there are icons on the desktop and pull-down menus at the top of the screen. But click an icon or choose a pull-down option and you'll be instantly transported to the world of the traveler. The World of Awe. Yael builds World of Awe through images of desert landscape, descriptions of the traveler's tools, pages from the traveler's journal, and love letters that the traveler sends to a lover left behind. All these elements are seamlessly integrated through the interface, which is a wonderful technical use of dynamic HTML, much of it written by programmer Luis Perez. +++ Twhid: Yael, why did you choose to use the utilitarian GUI (graphical user interface) standards as the guidelines to build your interface for the magical environment described in World of Awe? As if World of Awe is an application running on a desktop? Yael: I think of an application as a private environment to execute ideas. Working in an application is usually a solitary experience and therefore seemed appropriate for a journal containing the particular narrative I have been developing. Also, I was hoping to increase usability, as visitors are familiar with standard navigation system and by that guide them directly into the narrative. But I don't really think it worked out that way. Instead of becoming transparent the interface becomes very apparent and as a result of re-purposing conventional functionality it ends up revisiting the language that is used in GUI. For example, words such as NEW and SAVE in an application indicate certain actions, but their usage in language is wider and in the context of WOA we are reminded of that. In that respect the interface becomes part function, part fiction. Another reason for using GUI stems from the narrative. In [the chapter] Silicon Canyon the traveler is rebuilding a laptop from old hardware and software. What we are seeing as the website is a mirror of the content restored from the laptop. Twhid: Do you want people to think that the interface is from the traveler's laptop? Yael: Yes, but it's not critical. Though this idea serve well as a link between the fantastical narrative and reality. The website becomes a player in the narrative allowing the story to spill beyond its original territory. Twhid: There has been talk in the net art community about going 'beyond the browser', Jodi (http://www.jodi.org) created SOD, there's Netomat, and other artists' applications are being developed that aren't browser-based. Why did you choose to create a browser-based application rather than a downloadable application? Yael: The web has proven to be a great environment for exploring the blurry borders of fact and fiction. The McCoys do it in Airwold, you have been playing with it in MTEWW. Also, the web is a more impressionable environment for a project that is constantly developing. I can easily update and I like that. Luis and I are working on another environment that will expand the visual experience of World of Awe. That one is being built on a game engine and will be a downloadable application. [At this point, there is some convoluted conversation prompted by t.whid's vague and ill-formed questions. The one interesting point that arises from this part of the conversation is that the edges of the story of the traveler are meant to be 'open ended, the gender of the traveler isn't defined, whether or not it's even human isn't defined.'] Twhid: Why do you want to keep the edges of the story ambiguous? Yael: It's right in line with the reader-generated interactivity that the web encourages. So in addition to the conscious decisions the readers make when choosing a link I create space for some subconscious ones such as whether the traveler is male or female. Twhid: So a real plot isn't that important? Yael: I don't think that keeping the edges of the story ambiguous negates a plot. Twhid: It seems like plot is less important than in a traditional story because of the hypertext nature of the web, you can enter the story from an arbitrary place. Yael: True. Find a link and enter. I preferred if visitors read pages from beginning to end though because the humor and the twists are in the details. For that reason I restricted the use of hypertext by excluding links from the body of the narrative so once you open a page you are actually exposed to a mini plot. Twhid: What does the Lost Treasure mean to you Yael? Yael: Wow. Now we're sliding right into an ambiguous edge. What does it mean to you? T.Whid is one half of MTAA (M. River & T. Whid Art Associates), a Brooklyn-based conceptual and net art collaboration. Recent exhibitions include: 'The Art Entertai
Re: FLUXLIST: produce
PK Great photos, I love the idea behind it. I would have loved to seen them displayed in their crates. disco >From: Patricia > >The googleguys put some work of mine in the googlegallery. > >http://www.googleplex.com/googleplex/gallery/index.html > >They encourage outside submissions and are thinking of setting up an >additional gallery with a variety of work, so, go for it!! > >Best, >PK > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Heiko! sorry I hadn't taken offence, i was grateful for any comment. i just thought it was funny(ish) please dont take offence, as non was intended. thank you to all who offered help, it IS appreciated alan
FLUXLIST: produce
The googleguys put some work of mine in the googlegallery. http://www.googleplex.com/googleplex/gallery/index.html They encourage outside submissions and are thinking of setting up an additional gallery with a variety of work, so, go for it!! Best, PK
Re: FLUXLIST: re maybe
Dear Ann, I think I sent it to the other list, where we discussed Rachel
etc (from Bladerunner), but mmaybe somebody wants to translate it here
too. Background is a "cyberspace" campaign in the other paper from
Frankfurt, full of rather ridiculous stuff of Bill Joy, Mr Lanier etc..,
to wake people up, so they say...
On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, ann klefstad wrote:
> Interesting piece, Heiko, though doubtless I'm missing some nuances, my
> German is not so hot. The double valence of the mouth was nice,
> though and of course as he says that's an old story. Language itself
> is a technology.
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Gastmahl apokalyptischer Wiederka:uer Wenn junge Amis schwadronieren:
Statt der Bibel sollten sie mehr Alan Turing lesen
Von Peter Bexte
Als Nicholas Negroponte eines Abends im Media Lab des M.I.T. Daten
einspeiste, befiel ihn Hunger. Seufzend wa:hlte er aus dem
Computer-Menu sein E-mail-Programm und schickte folgenden Text ab:
"Pizza please". Kurz darauf spuckte der Drucker ein Fax aus, u:ber
welchem quer in riesigen Lettern das Wort "PIZZA" stand. Negroponte
nahm das Blatt und ass es auf.
Wir wissen nicht, ob unser Mann davon satt geworden ist. Aus seinem
Buch being digital erfahren wir jedoch, dass wirkliche Pizzen ihm
eigentlich lieber seien. Der Autor dru:ckt ein gewisses Bedauern aus,
wie lange man noch warten mu:sse, bis Nahrungsatome endgu:ltig in Bits
verwandelt seien ("It will take a long time till we can convert them
into bits"). Diese etwas vage Zeitangabe la:sst sich allerdings
pra:zisieren, ja sogar auf den Tag genau angeben: Die endgu:ltige
Konvertierung von Atomen in Bits wird stattfinden am Tag des Ju:ngsten
Gerichts. An diesem Tag wird man Bu:cher essen, wie es im 10. Buch der
Apokalypse des Johannes geschrieben steht: "Und ich nahm das Bu:chlein
von der Hand des Engels und verschlangs und es war su:ss in meinem
Munde wie Honig. Und da ichs gegessen hatte, krimmets mich im Bauch."
(Offenbarung 10,10)
Albrecht Du:rer hat die Szene in Holz gestochen. Man sieht den Engel,
dessen Fu:sse Feuerpfeiler sind, die Land und Meer beherrschen. Er
ha:lt das Buch zur Speisung hin, und der kniende Johannes beisst so
selbstversta:ndlich hinein, als ob er sich in einem Media Lab befinde.
Wo Bu:cher gegessen werden, sind Leiber als Papiermaschinen definiert.
Hier wird das Gastmahl vorbereitet, in dem das fleischgewordene Wort
erneut zu Schriftlichkeit gerinnen soll. Wo der Geist nicht mehr u:ber
dem Wasser schwebt, weil beide nur die Zeichen "Geist" und "Wasser"
sind. Wo Bu:cher gegessen werden, sind geheime Offenbarungen nicht
fern.
Sie erreichen uns mit Vorliebe aus den USA, insbesondere aus dem
M.I.T. oder dem Magazin Wired. Seit Norbert Wiener 1949 die
Mo:glichkeit ero:rterte, materielle und also auch menschliche Ko:rper
zu faxen, wird eben diese Vorstellung periodisch neu entdeckt. Nichts
ist schlechter u:ber seine eigene Geschichte informiert als das
Informationszeitalter. So tra:umen seine Propheten alle Jahre wieder
denselben Traum: Ko:rper zu faxen und Schrift zu verspeisen. Sie
begnu:gen sich fu:r letzteres nicht mit russischem Brot oder
Buchstabennudeln, sondern sie tun dies in apokalyptischen Worten, von
deren Herkunft sie nichts mehr zu wissen scheinen. Es braucht
tatsa:chlich theologische Besinnung, um zu begreifen, woher die
apokalyptischen To:ne in den Prophezeiungen fu:rs Computerzeitalter
kommen.
Mitteilungen von dieser Art erreichen die Menschheit in einer
eigentu:mlich ambivalenten Mischung aus Jubel einerseits: "Nun wird
die Welt in Daten aufgelo:st!" und aus Entsetzten andererseits: "Wird
man Mensch und Maschine danach noch unterscheiden ko:nnen?" Letztere
Frage ist leicht zu beantworten: Natu:rlich nicht! Sofern man beide,
Mensch und Maschine, auf Datenverarbeitung reduziert, sind sie
selbstredend nicht mehr auseinanderzuhalten. Die naive Verwunderung,
dass Unterscheidungen, die man vorher abgeschafft hat, anschliessend
nicht mehr greifen, mag nicht sonderlich philosophisch sein.
Jedoch hat sie eben deshalb umso gro:sseren publizistischen Erfolg.
Jahrelang wurden in dem Cyberspace-Magazin Wired folgende Sa:tze
diskutiert: "The central event of the 20th century is the overthrow of
matter. The powers of mind are every-where ascendant over the brute
force of things." Um Missversta:ndnisse zu vermeiden: Diese Sa:tze von
der U:berwindung der Materie und von dem Aufschwung in den reinen
Geist entstammten weder einem adventistischen Grundsatzpapier noch
einer gnostischen Sektenschulung. Sie fanden sich auch in keinem
dadaistischen Manifest, sondern sie bildeten die Pra:ambel zur so
genannten Magna Charta of the Knowledge Age von 1994. Woher aber kamen
deren theologische Verfasser?
Sie rekrutiert
FLUXLIST: Programs of today
Just to give you an example, what great and simple stuff is out there. If you have a text, lets call it abc.txt, usage is: text2gif < abc.txt > abc.gif Voila: Go to index page. text2gif A program to generate GIF images out of regular text. Text can be one line or multi-line, and is converted using 8 by 8 fixed font. Usage: text2gif [-q] [-s ClrMapSize] [-f FGClr] [-c R G B] [-t "Text"] [-h] This program reads stdin if no text is provided on the command line (-t), and will dump the created GIF file to stdout. Memory required: Line. Options: [-q] Quiet mode. Defaults off on MSDOS, on under UNIX. Controls printout of running scan lines. Use -q- to invert. [-s ClrMapSize] Explicitly defines the size of the color map of the resulting gif image. Usually the image will be bicolor with fg as color 1, unless [-f] is explicitly given in case the color map size will be big enough to hold it. However it is sometimes convenient to set the color map size to certain size while the fg color is small mainly so this image may be merged with another (images must match color map size). [-f FG] Select foreground index (background is always 0). By default it is one and therefore the image result is bicolored. if FG is set to n then color map will be created with 2^k entries where 2^k > n for minimum k, assuming k <= 8. This color map will be all zeros except this forground index. This option is useful if this text image should be integrated into other image colormap using their colors. [-c R G B] The color to use as the foreground color. White by default. [-t "Text"] One line of text can be provided on the command line. Note you must encapsulate the Text within quotes if it has spaces (The quotes themselves are not treated as part of the text). If no -t option is provided, stdin is read until end of file. [-h] Print one line command line help, similar to Usage above. Notes: There is a hardcoded limit of 100 the number of lines. Author: Gershon Elber _ Eric S. Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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RANDOM RETINAL IMAGERY (((VISUAL HEADLINES FROM E-COMMMERCE SITES))) 7.19.00 2000
Re: FLUXLIST: written thingy
The Dave is you, you should have known because you are the only King of Natural Lime Flavoring. Anyother Dave is just a Dave. Which is not to say that they are not special, but you have limeness- you know, being the king and all. So, I guess get it, change it and send it. disco >From: David Baptiste Chirot > > as a good ole boy tending the lime pit--is the dave refered to > "me" > or some "other"? > > if 'tis indeed "I", shall be sure to pass on to next > "alterer" > > "Je est une autre": "I is an other"--Rimbaud > > --one of many daves > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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what a guy! >From: "Alex Cook" > >As a world leading potting shed salesman, I understand how these things >happen. No sweat, Dave, just send it on to me after applying your special >lime flavor to the mix. > >Thanks, >Alex > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
FLUXLIST: re maybe
Interesting piece, Heiko, though doubtless I'm missing some nuances, my German is not so hot. The double valence of the mouth was nice, though and of course as he says that's an old story. Language itself is a technology. AK
Re: FLUXLIST: written thingy
as a good ole boy tending the lime pit--is the dave refered to "me" or some "other"? if 'tis indeed "I", shall be sure to pass on to next "alterer" "Je est une autre": "I is an other"--Rimbaud --one of many daves On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Alex Cook wrote: > As a world leading potting shed salesman, I understand how these things > happen. No sweat, Dave, just send it on to me after applying your special > lime flavor to the mix. > > Thanks, > Alex > > > >From: "Devon Paulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: written thingy > >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:45:58 PDT > > > >I just relized that it was supposed to go to Alex, I am so sorry. > >Please don't beat me with a pogo stick again, I have learned my lesson- > >Alex > >the potting shed salesman, not David the king of natural lime flavoring. > >I am sorry. > >Dave how about a forward? Huh, big guy? > > > >disco > > > > > >>From: Patricia Devon: > >> > >>Just so nonstampcontributores don't feel left out, and I wish I had the > >>bucks to > >>send them to all, I had a few sheets left over for mail art, so included > >>some to > >>you, Devon. The stamps sent to contributors became, essentially a kind of > >>book > >>- an editioned set. More stuff included in them than stamps. > >> > >>Ummm, the letter was supposed to go to Alex Cook...David could forward?? > >> > >>Best,PK > >> > >>Best, > >>PK > >> > > > > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >
Re: FLUXLIST: written thingy
sure, I can send it to you after me, unless there was someone else that piped in. I think we said it should go back to Josh at the end. Thanks, Alex >From: Carol Starr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: written thingy >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:13:00 -0600 (MDT) > >may i queue up for this ? it is probably getting very interesting by now. >thanks, c :) > >p.o. box 2472 >taos, nm 87571 > >carol starr >taos, new mexico, usa >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Alex Cook wrote: > > > As a world leading potting shed salesman, I understand how these things > > happen. No sweat, Dave, just send it on to me after applying your >special > > lime flavor to the mix. > > > > Thanks, > > Alex > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: FLUXLIST: written thingy
may i queue up for this ? it is probably getting very interesting by now. thanks, c :) p.o. box 2472 taos, nm 87571 carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Alex Cook wrote: > As a world leading potting shed salesman, I understand how these things > happen. No sweat, Dave, just send it on to me after applying your special > lime flavor to the mix. > > Thanks, > Alex >
Re: FLUXLIST: written thingy
As a world leading potting shed salesman, I understand how these things happen. No sweat, Dave, just send it on to me after applying your special lime flavor to the mix. Thanks, Alex >From: "Devon Paulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: written thingy >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:45:58 PDT > >I just relized that it was supposed to go to Alex, I am so sorry. >Please don't beat me with a pogo stick again, I have learned my lesson- >Alex >the potting shed salesman, not David the king of natural lime flavoring. >I am sorry. >Dave how about a forward? Huh, big guy? > >disco > > >>From: Patricia Devon: >> >>Just so nonstampcontributores don't feel left out, and I wish I had the >>bucks to >>send them to all, I had a few sheets left over for mail art, so included >>some to >>you, Devon. The stamps sent to contributors became, essentially a kind of >>book >>- an editioned set. More stuff included in them than stamps. >> >>Ummm, the letter was supposed to go to Alex Cook...David could forward?? >> >>Best,PK >> >>Best, >>PK >> > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: FLUXLIST: FLUXSTAMP Project
hi patricia, what fun! my FLUXSTAMPS are here! thank you for all the goodies and hard work you put into this project. best regards, carol :) carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FLUXLIST: back to the drawing board
> FFFO - perhaps a simpler program with all the drag'n'drop stuff and that may > be better) Maybe a simpler program *without* all the drag'n'drop stuff ? ;-) What you cant do with a text editor, forget it..
FLUXLIST: Re: your mail
Hi Alan, this wasnt a critique of *your* site, just a general opinion.. My html things are full of such decorations and I dont care about filesize. But I like browsing with lynx, its so fast, and when I have to decide to revisit it with netscape... On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, alan bowman wrote: > But I see animations etc only as a decoration. > > Shit!! I did something right!! >
