Re: [Fonts] libfreetype-xtt2 bench

2003-10-21 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
DD If you personally choose not to meet their needs (which is
DD entirely up to you, and entirely reasonable), someone else might.

David,

What exactly are you arguing with ?

I'm saying that this code deserves being read, that nobody has
appeared to do so until now (or if they did, they didn't CC the list
with their opinion), and that I am busy, but will do so as soon as
I've got the time.

I've also been sidetracked into spelling out my opinion on core fonts,
which is no secret for anyone.

If you (or somebody else) has the time to read and understand
Chisato's code right now, please do.

Juliusz
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Re: [Fonts] libfreetype-xtt2 bench

2003-10-21 Thread David Dawes
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 04:33:47PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
DD If you personally choose not to meet their needs (which is
DD entirely up to you, and entirely reasonable), someone else might.

David,

What exactly are you arguing with ?

The notion you expressed that adding features to the freetype backend
goes against a goal of encouraging application developers to move to
client side fonts, and with the corollary that perhaps such code should
be excluded for that reason.  Nothing more and nothing less.

If you (or somebody else) has the time to read and understand
Chisato's code right now, please do.

I have read the code enough to see that the changes are consistent with
the changelog that accompanied them.  I don't claim to understand all
of the finer points (and a more detailed review is certainly welcome).
I'm encouraged by the fact that the After X-TT Project has been working
on and fixing a number of stability problems, and eliminating the need
for two truetype backends for the XFree86 server.

The code has been committed, and needs testing.  If no significant
problems are found, it can remain for the 4.4 release.

David
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Founder/committer/developer The XFree86 Project
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Re: [Fonts] libfreetype-xtt2 bench

2003-10-21 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
 What exactly are you arguing with ?

DD The notion you expressed that adding features to the freetype backend
DD goes against a goal of encouraging application developers to move to
DD client side fonts,

I never said such a thing.  I said that adding features to the
freetype backend goes against a goal of putting core fonts into
maintenance-only mode.

DD The code has been committed, and needs testing.  If no significant
DD problems are found, it can remain for the 4.4 release.

Good.

Juliusz
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[Fonts] Re: libfreetype-xtt2 bench

2003-10-21 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:

Date: 21 Oct 2003 18:41:54 +0200
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 What exactly are you arguing with ?

DD The notion you expressed that adding features to the freetype backend
DD goes against a goal of encouraging application developers to move to
DD client side fonts,

I never said such a thing.  I said that adding features to the
freetype backend goes against a goal of putting core fonts into
maintenance-only mode.

IMHO, if xtt's functionality can be obsoleted by including the 
same functionality into the freetype module, then there is a lot 
less code to have to care about, and xtt can be removed.  The 
resulting code will be less to have to maintain, and if it is the 
only codepath to have to care about, all users will be using it.

In that case, presumeably if there are problems, the people who 
contributed the new changes will be interested in fixing them for 
their own benefit, and contributing those fixes for future 
releases.

I agree with you that core fonts is something that preferably all 
developers will move away from, and that that is to be 
encouraged.  I don't think it is fair however to encourage this 
by throwing away useful work that someone has done, or to ignore 
potential improvements in the code that someone else is 
interested and/or willing to do.  X core fonts may be getting 
obsolete but they'll be around with us for years to come yet.

Best not to be short sighted.  ;o)


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Mike A. Harris

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