[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
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[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #40 from Pierre Ossman --- That's hopeful. Fedora 39 has WebKitGTK 2.44. Does Fedora 40 have the new version? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 Report this comment as SPAM: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Bugzilla=report-spam_desc=Report%20of%20Bug%201999078%23c40 -- ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #39 from Michael Catanzaro --- Note that in WebKitGTK 2.45/2.46 the font rendering backend has changed from cairo to skia, so this bug report will no longer be relevant, and also not reproducible unless you can find a way to trigger it without using WebKitGTK. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 Report this comment as SPAM: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Bugzilla=report-spam_desc=Report%20of%20Bug%201999078%23c39 -- ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 Pierre Ossman changed: What|Removed |Added Version|38 |39 --- Comment #38 from Pierre Ossman --- Still broken, unfortunately. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 Report this comment as SPAM: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Bugzilla=report-spam_desc=Report%20of%20Bug%201999078%23c38 -- ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
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[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 Fedora Admin user for bugzilla script actions changed: What|Removed |Added Assignee|o...@redhat.com |klem...@redhat.com --- Comment #36 from Fedora Admin user for bugzilla script actions --- This package has changed maintainer in Fedora. Reassigning to the new maintainer of this component. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 Report this comment as SPAM: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Bugzilla=report-spam_desc=Report%20of%20Bug%201999078%23c36 -- ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 Pierre Ossman changed: What|Removed |Added Status|CLOSED |NEW Version|36 |38 Resolution|EOL |--- Keywords||Reopened --- Comment #35 from Pierre Ossman --- The issue remains, unfortunately. I've moved the discussion upstream, though, so let's continue there: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=260196 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 Report this comment as SPAM: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Bugzilla=report-spam_desc=Report%20of%20Bug%201999078%23c35 ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
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[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
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[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 Pierre Ossman changed: What|Removed |Added Version|34 |36 --- Comment #32 from Pierre Ossman --- I'm afraid this issue remains. Tested with: epiphany-42.2-1.fc36.x86_64 cairo-1.17.6-1.fc36.x86_64 webkit2gtk3-2.36.1-1.fc36.x86_64 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
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[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #30 from Pierre Ossman --- Sure, filed here: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/cairo/cairo/-/issues/511 And as noted, vertical hinting also seems to be affected so this should be a general issue. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #29 from Michael Catanzaro --- I doubt you'll get any response from the package maintainer here. You'll probably need to take this to upstream. That said, be prepared to be told that subpixel antialiasing is the new hotness, and horizontal hinting (as performed by the v35 interpreter) is just going to look bad. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 Marek Kašík changed: What|Removed |Added CC||o...@redhat.com Component|webkit2gtk3 |cairo Assignee|mcata...@redhat.com |o...@redhat.com --- Comment #28 from Marek Kašík --- Thank you for the confirmation. I'm reassigning this to cairo for their consideration. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #27 from Pierre Ossman --- Never mind, that was some oddity with DejaVu. Installing Bitstream got more consistent behaviour. I tried that special build of Cairo, and it does indeed seem to be it. With that applied I'm getting correct rendering in both Epiphany and GNOME software. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #26 from Pierre Ossman --- Created attachment 1823810 --> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=1823810=edit screenshot of gnome software -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #25 from Pierre Ossman --- Sorry for the delay here. I'm trying to set up a VM so I can play around more freely with things. However I'm having trouble getting epiphany to respect the settings properly. It's still not doing full hinting, even with the modifications from comment 6. So there must be something else I've done to my workstation. Everything else is fully hinted, just not Epiphany. Marek, were you able to get Epiphany to render things the way I'm seeing? And if so, with what changes? On the plus side, I'm seeing something similar in GNOME Software, which supports the idea that this is not specific to Epiphany. However it doesn't have the per-character behaviour, but rather per paragraph. It is also misplacing things vertically, rather than horizontally. But wouldn't that cause issues with "modern" hinting as well, as that still hints vertically? If so, then it is perhaps a general bug rather than incompatibility with full hinting. I'll attach a screenshot of what I'm seeing with GNOME software. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #24 from Marek Kašík --- Hi, I had a look at where the subpixel positioning comes from. I've found out that the subpixel positioning was added to cairo 1.17.4 and indeed reverting it shows the result Pierre expects. It was added in these commits: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/cairo/cairo/-/commit/ea9329215d3431ded51a71b724baf0edc25ad633 https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/cairo/cairo/-/commit/6fd4222ab00c3b93f038172a8c9d48375c5f86f0 https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/cairo/cairo/-/commit/e4a79db0108be6a2b06dfce51a44bcbdead66ebd https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/cairo/cairo/-/commit/52a7c79fd4ff96bb5fac175f0199819b0f8c18fc Pierre, could you test this scratch build of cairo, whether it shows what you expect? https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=75665713 I would like to point out that reverting it is not a fix, I've created the scratch build just to confirm that we see the same issue. I'll reassign it to cairo if the answer is "yes". Regards -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #23 from Michael Catanzaro --- (In reply to Pierre Ossman from comment #22) > If this is something that everyone else is doing, then it seems very odd > that I'm only seeing the issue in Epiphany? It seems to me that either > everyone else has a workaround for this case, or are doing positioning in a > way that doesn't cause this issue. My guess: something in WebKit's font rendering code doesn't work well with the font settings you've configured. WebKit either does this something worse, or just differently than other software that you use. But I really have no way to know what that something is. There are no Linux font experts working on WebKit who I can pass this issue to, which is why I haven't moved this bug to WebKit Bugzilla. > Can I do some test to pinpoint if this is a general webkit2gtk3 issue, or > specific to Epiphany? Epiphany doesn't have much control over fonts or web content, so no point in pursuing that angle. ;) All it can do is change the the default fonts and font sizes that get passed to WebKit, if you modify the settings in the Appearance settings panel. But I doubt that's that's relevant to your issue. > Is it worth exploring the regression angle, since this worked in Fedora 33? > And if so, how? I've tried downgrading the obvious offenders. Yeah sure, if you can find this is caused by some package update, that would be very interesting. That said, the version of WebKitGTK available in F33 and F34 should be identical. I see you've already tried downgrading FreeType and WebKitGTK. Next I would try, in order of most likely culprit to least-likely: cario, harfbuzz, and Fontconfig. If it's not due to any of those, then I don't know. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #22 from Pierre Ossman --- If this is something that everyone else is doing, then it seems very odd that I'm only seeing the issue in Epiphany? It seems to me that either everyone else has a workaround for this case, or are doing positioning in a way that doesn't cause this issue. Can I do some test to pinpoint if this is a general webkit2gtk3 issue, or specific to Epiphany? Is it worth exploring the regression angle, since this worked in Fedora 33? And if so, how? I've tried downgrading the obvious offenders. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #21 from Michael Catanzaro --- (Oh, also as I mentioned in comment #10: even if we *were* doing subpixel positioning and I *did* know how to disable that, it seems that's what everyone else is moving to nowadays, so I don't think we would *want* to.) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #20 from Michael Catanzaro --- You could try hunting down a font expert to suggest specific code changes in WebKit. We're unlikely to change anything unless somebody suggests a very specific change, and explains exactly why it makes sense to make the change. So far it has been suggested that we disable subpixel positioning, but I don't think we do any subpixel positioning, and I wouldn't have any clue how to go about disabling it anyway. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #19 from Pierre Ossman --- Anything I can do in my end to help this progress? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #18 from Michael Catanzaro --- (In reply to Nikolaus Waxweiler from comment #17) > Linear metrics are advance widths that are the same regardless of pixel > size. Before, hinting or just rounding of advance widths would force you to > recompute metrics for text after every size (or zoom level) change. It's a > simplification you can do when you have subpixel positioning. Isn't it done > by Skia? I have no clue. WebKit doesn't use Skia anyway. It uses harfbuzz, cairo, FreeType, and Fontconfig. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #17 from Nikolaus Waxweiler --- Linear metrics are advance widths that are the same regardless of pixel size. Before, hinting or just rounding of advance widths would force you to recompute metrics for text after every size (or zoom level) change. It's a simplification you can do when you have subpixel positioning. Isn't it done by Skia? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #13 from Pierre Ossman --- I tried to pinpoint what in the upgrade caused this, but I'm having problems doing so. Suggestions welcome. I tried downgrading epiphany to epiphany-3.38.3-1.fc33.x86_64.rpm, but it didn't have any effect. I then downloaded freetype-2.10.4-1.fc33.x86_64.rpm and webkit2gtk3-2.32.3-1.fc33.x86_64.rpm, unpacked them in a temporary directory and redirected epiphany there using LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but the problem still remains. Even tried pango-1.48.4-1.fc33.x86_64.rpm as well just to make sure. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #12 from Pierre Ossman --- Created attachment 1819931 --> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=1819931=edit screenshot of chromium My bad. It was just that Chrome was using other fonts. By overriding the CSS a bit I can get the same font as Epiphany. And the issue does not appear in either Chrome or chromium-91.0.4472.164-1.fc34.x86_64. I've also attached a screenshot in case it is helpful. So this does seem to be very specific Epiphany or webkit2gtk3 issue. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #11 from Pierre Ossman --- (In reply to Marek Kašík from comment #8) > > There is nothing I can do with this in freetype. Default interpreter is v40 > now and it supports subpixel hinting (although I see that you prefer the old > one). > Thinking a bit more about this, are you sure this isn't a freetype issue? Epiphany/WebKit must be getting its coordinates from Freetype on how wide glyphs are? And if subpixel hinting isn't done, then those coordinates should be integers? It's also configured for greyscale antialiasing, not subpixel, which also should mean integer positioning? > > To clarify: you want me to turn *off* subpixel positioning, if it is > currently enabled? I think the answer is "no" because all other browsers are > doing subpixel positioning nowadays, and so is GTK 4. This implies that at > least horizontal hinting must not be performed, since subpixel positioning > and horizontal hinting are incompatible. And that further implies that using > the v35 interpreter is self-sabotage, since that version of the interpreter > does horizontal hinting. Yes? > I'm not seeing this in Firefox, nor gedit, which it sounds like I should in that case. Can't really test Chrome since it seems to ignore all font settings and does its own thing... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 Michael Catanzaro changed: What|Removed |Added Component|epiphany|webkit2gtk3 CC||er...@redhat.com --- Comment #10 from Michael Catanzaro --- Epiphany doesn't have anything to do with font rendering on web pages. This is 100% handled by WebKit and its dependencies, FreeType, harfbuzz, and Fontconfig. So I'm going to go ahead and reassign this to WebKit I suppose. (In reply to Pierre Ossman from comment #9) > Thanks for investigating. > > Shouldn't this affect more users of Pango in that case? I'm not seeing this > in any other application so far, and I figured Pango is widely used? > > (And the v40 engine explicitly doesn't do full hinting horizontally, > otherwise I would be fine using that) Pango is not involved here at all. That's only used by the GTK user interface portions of the browser, not used by WebKit. (In reply to Marek Kašík from comment #8) > I'm reassigning this bug to Epiphany with question whether there is a > possibility to turn of sub-pixel positioning of glyphs? To clarify: you want me to turn *off* subpixel positioning, if it is currently enabled? I think the answer is "no" because all other browsers are doing subpixel positioning nowadays, and so is GTK 4. This implies that at least horizontal hinting must not be performed, since subpixel positioning and horizontal hinting are incompatible. And that further implies that using the v35 interpreter is self-sabotage, since that version of the interpreter does horizontal hinting. Yes? That said, I'm not actually sure whether WebKit really does subpixel positioning or not. I guess maybe? Most of the relevant code is under Source/WebCore/platform/graphics/freetype or Source/WebCore/platform/graphics/harfbuzz. I have no clue what to look for to find out. Desktop font hinting and antialiasing settings get merged in FontCacheFreeType.cpp using cairo_ft_font_options_substitute(), but of course we have no settings to control subpixel positioning, so I'm not sure whether that happens at all. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #9 from Pierre Ossman --- Thanks for investigating. Shouldn't this affect more users of Pango in that case? I'm not seeing this in any other application so far, and I figured Pango is widely used? (And the v40 engine explicitly doesn't do full hinting horizontally, otherwise I would be fine using that) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 Marek Kašík changed: What|Removed |Added Assignee|mka...@redhat.com |mcata...@redhat.com Component|freetype|epiphany CC||gecko-bugs-nobody@fedorapro ||ject.org, ||jho...@redhat.com, ||mcata...@redhat.com, ||pe...@hatina.eu, ||tpop...@redhat.com --- Comment #8 from Marek Kašík --- Hi Pierre, after some testing I am able to reproduce the issue to some extent with pango-view. The reproducer looks like this: FREETYPE_PROPERTIES=truetype:interpreter-version=35 pango-view --dpi 72 --text="ThinLinc is a software" --font="dejavu sans book 14" --antialias=gray --hinting=full --subpixel-positions --backend=cairo The important part of that is "--subpixel-positions", it enables pango to position glyphs on non-integral positions. Epiphany seems to do the same (but differently). Since v35 interpreter does not support subpixel hinting the glyphs looks blurry at some parts of the text. There is nothing I can do with this in freetype. Default interpreter is v40 now and it supports subpixel hinting (although I see that you prefer the old one). I'm reassigning this bug to Epiphany with question whether there is a possibility to turn of sub-pixel positioning of glyphs? Regards -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #7 from Pierre Ossman --- Also note that this still doesn't achieve full hinting for OTF/CFF fonts (bug 1545149), so if Epiphany is choosing such fonts on your system, for some reason, then you might not see the issue. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #6 from Pierre Ossman --- Unfortunately every upgrade of the font system tends to disable more and more hinting, so I have quite a few settings in place. I have not checked which are relevant here and which aren't. The modifications I've done are: * In GNOME Tweaks, configure the Fonts section to "Hinting: Full" and "Antialiasing: Standard (greyscale)" * In .bashrc I have "export FREETYPE_PROPERTIES=truetype:interpreter-version=35" * I've added a fontconfig override as ~/.config/fontconfig/conf.d/99-hinting-full.conf: > > > > > hintfull > > -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #5 from Marek Kašík --- Thank you for the info. Unfortunately, I still can not reproduce this. How do you set the full hinting? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078
--- Comment #3 from Pierre Ossman ---
I noticed it in Slack, which is what I primarily use Epiphany for since it has
the best "Web App" functionality. However I can also see it on our company
page: https://www.cendio.com/
This is with the following custom stylesheet:
> * {
> font-family: sans-serif;
> }
>
> pre {
> font-family: monospace !important;
> }
>
> pre * {
> font-family: monospace;
> }
Without that it picks some other fonts that are poorly hinted so it's difficult
to tell what works from what doesn't.
The "Use custom fonts" setting has no effect on the page for me, but in case it
is relevant for you I have the following settings with it enabled:
* Sans serif font: Sans Regular 12
* Serif font: Serif Regular 12
* Monospace font: Monospace Regular 12
I'll attach a screenshot with how that page renders for me.
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[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 --- Comment #4 from Pierre Ossman --- Created attachment 1819109 --> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=1819109=edit screenshot of https://www.cendio.com Note the section on the left where "ThinLinc is..." starts properly hinted and then goes blurry. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 Marek Kašík changed: What|Removed |Added Doc Type|--- |If docs needed, set a value --- Comment #2 from Marek Kašík --- Hi, could you point me to a specific web page where you see the issue? What size of the font do you have set? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[Bug 1999078] Hinting strangely broken in Epiphany
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1999078 Pierre Ossman changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|Hinting broken for |Hinting strangely broken in |Bitstream Vera/DejaVu in|Epiphany |Epiphany| --- Comment #1 from Pierre Ossman --- Doesn't seem to be font specific. I tried a few variants of Ubuntu's font as well, and see similar problems there. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list -- fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to fonts-bugs-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
