[Bug 679030] [freetype] uneven rendering quality when bytecode is enabled
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[Bug 679030] [freetype] uneven rendering quality when bytecode is enabled
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679030 Fedora End Of Life endofl...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |CLOSED Resolution|--- |WONTFIX Last Closed||2012-08-07 13:23:12 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fonts-bugs http://fonts.fedoraproject.org/
[Bug 679030] [freetype] uneven rendering quality when bytecode is enabled
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679030 --- Comment #12 from Joachim Namislow jfrie...@hotmail.com 2011-02-24 03:25:21 EST --- Created attachment 480684 -- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=480684 Screenshot of liberation font with bytecode interpreter Part of a web page rendered by firefox. No fonts other than the system default fonts have been installed. Note that the character u differs significantly from the other ones. The font seems to belong to the Liberation font family. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fonts-bugs http://fonts.fedoraproject.org/
[Bug 679030] [freetype] uneven rendering quality when bytecode is enabled
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679030 --- Comment #13 from Kevin Kofler ke...@tigcc.ticalc.org 2011-02-24 10:10:13 EST --- This one looks like a font bug, it should probably be filed against liberation-fonts. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fonts-bugs http://fonts.fedoraproject.org/
[Bug 679030] [freetype] uneven rendering quality when bytecode is enabled
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679030 --- Comment #11 from Joachim Namislow jfrie...@hotmail.com 2011-02-23 05:07:48 EST --- Created attachment 480400 -- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=480400 Screenshot of http://www.bbc.co.uk rendered by IE8 (Windows XP) (In reply to comment #10) None of the screenshots is showing how Verdana was designed to look like. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fonts-bugs http://fonts.fedoraproject.org/
[Bug 679030] [freetype] uneven rendering quality when bytecode is enabled
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679030 Ben Laenen bl.b...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||bl.b...@gmail.com --- Comment #8 from Ben Laenen bl.b...@gmail.com 2011-02-22 07:17:48 EST --- I don't think that first screenshot really shows the body text with the bytecode interpreter enabled. It's rendered exactly the same as the third screenshot. Anyway, there are many different ways to handle hinting, and if people claim about bad rendering of Verdana with BCI enabled, it's because Verdana was hinted without anti-aliasing in mind. With anti-aliasing some artifacts are shown, especially in the diagonals which can sometimes even become almost invisible. In DejaVu we have hinting designed for anti-aliasing (DejaVu will in its turn be rendered worse if you disable anti-aliasing). Next, there's also a minimum font size (defined in the tables in the font itself) that says below which no more hinting should be applied at all (this is usually a number like 8 or 9 ppem). The reason why we from DejaVu recommend the bytecode interpreter is because we can actually control that. We get a large amount of bugs reported which are caused by the autohinter, and each time we have to say sorry, there's nothing we can do to fix this (it's actually the first thing I look at if bad rendering is reported: does this user use the autohinter?). And an autohinter will always be worse than BCI hinting because the autohinter is unable to keep everything consistent, and I'd say consistency is a feature you really want to have in a font... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fonts-bugs http://fonts.fedoraproject.org/
[Bug 679030] [freetype] uneven rendering quality when bytecode is enabled
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679030 --- Comment #9 from Joachim Namislow jfrie...@hotmail.com 2011-02-22 08:17:21 EST --- (In reply to comment #8) I don't think that first screenshot really shows the body text with the bytecode interpreter enabled. It's rendered exactly the same as the third screenshot. Maybe you have a second look and convince yourself first that there exist 2 x 2 = 4 combinations (with and w/o BCI; with and w/o web core fonts) which correspond to the 4 (different (!)) attached screenshots. If you wonder that the text body of screenshots 1 and 3 look the same then you should also look at the URL bar which undeniably shows a clear difference in the way the default sans serif text is rendered. I can hardly imagine that while BCI is used for rendering GTK widgets it is not by Xulrunner. As a matter of fact, button labels in case 3 without active bytecode interpreter looks clearly better (in my opinion). Case 1 reminds me of older Ubuntu releases which always suffered from too skinny characters. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fonts-bugs http://fonts.fedoraproject.org/
[Bug 679030] [freetype] uneven rendering quality when bytecode is enabled
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679030 --- Comment #10 from Ben Laenen bl.b...@gmail.com 2011-02-22 14:14:07 EST --- (In reply to comment #9) Maybe you have a second look and convince yourself first that there exist 2 x 2 = 4 combinations (with and w/o BCI; with and w/o web core fonts) which correspond to the 4 (different (!)) attached screenshots. I didn't argue that. I just said that the body text in #1 clearly does not show a font which is using the BCI, for whatever reason that may be. I'm just clearing this out since it's 90% of the screenshot. If you wonder that the text body of screenshots 1 and 3 look the same then you should also look at the URL bar which undeniably shows a clear difference in the way the default sans serif text is rendered. I also did not argue that. I can hardly imagine that while BCI is used for rendering GTK widgets it is not by Xulrunner. It's much harder to imagine that the autohinter would come up with exactly the same rendering for a font as when it's using the BCI. My guess is that with all the fallback rules the font chosen to render the body is FreeSans, which has no hinting instructions at all, so freetype falls back to autohinting in screenshot 1. As a matter of fact, button labels in case 3 without active bytecode interpreter looks clearly better (in my opinion). Case 1 reminds me of older Ubuntu releases which always suffered from too skinny characters. Well, the keyword in that is in my opinion. Let me tell you that the GUI font in #1 (DejaVu) is how font developers designed it to look like. None of the screenshots is showing how Verdana was designed to look like. How you want your fonts to look on your screen is totally up to you to decide (I cannot stand bitmapped fonts so I chose to have Verdana anti-aliased myself). I'm only giving the facts here about what the rendering should look like if you want it like the font designers designed it. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fonts-bugs http://fonts.fedoraproject.org/
[Bug 679030] [freetype] uneven rendering quality when bytecode is enabled
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679030 --- Comment #3 from Joachim Namislow jfrie...@hotmail.com 2011-02-21 05:56:31 EST --- Created attachment 479870 -- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=479870 creenshot of http://www.bbc.co.uk with system fonts and -no- bytecode interpreter -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fonts-bugs http://fonts.fedoraproject.org/
[Bug 679030] [freetype] uneven rendering quality when bytecode is enabled
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679030 --- Comment #1 from Joachim Namislow jfrie...@hotmail.com 2011-02-21 05:54:48 EST --- Created attachment 479866 -- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=479866 Screenshot of http://www.bbc.co.uk with system fonts and bytecode interpreter -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fonts-bugs http://fonts.fedoraproject.org/
[Bug 679030] [freetype] uneven rendering quality when bytecode is enabled
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679030 --- Comment #4 from Joachim Namislow jfrie...@hotmail.com 2011-02-21 05:57:16 EST --- Created attachment 479871 -- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=479871 Screenshot of http://www.bbc.co.uk with web core fonts and -no- bytecode interpreter -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fonts-bugs http://fonts.fedoraproject.org/
[Bug 679030] [freetype] uneven rendering quality when bytecode is enabled
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679030 --- Comment #2 from Joachim Namislow jfrie...@hotmail.com 2011-02-21 05:55:38 EST --- Created attachment 479869 -- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=479869 Screenshot of http://www.bbc.co.uk with web core fonts and bytecode interpreter -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fonts-bugs http://fonts.fedoraproject.org/
[Bug 679030] [freetype] uneven rendering quality when bytecode is enabled
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679030 --- Comment #5 from Kevin Kofler ke...@tigcc.ticalc.org 2011-02-21 09:29:37 EST --- Hmmm, are you sure you aren't mixing up the system fonts vs. web core fonts screenshots? So we have 2 separate issues there: * re DejaVu, I know that the font looks very different with and without the hinting bytecode. As a long-time maintainer of freetype-freeworld, I'm well aware of this problem. The thing is, some people, and that includes the upstream developers of DejaVu, actually LIKE the rendering with the bytecode, and in fact DejaVu upstream recommends enabling the BCI for their fonts. I used to disable the BCI for the DejaVu family in my freetype-freeworld packaging because of complaints such as yours, but then I got complaints about it being disabled (see e.g. https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198). Then I reenabled it and got at least one complaint about it being enabled. You just cannot please everyone… It is possible for you as a user to disable the BCI for DejaVu using a config file like this: http://cvs.rpmfusion.org/viewvc/rpms/freetype-freeworld/F-12/99-DejaVu-autohinter-only.conf?revision=1.1root=freeview=markup There have been complaints to DejaVu upstream about the discrepancy, but they say this is all by design. * re Verdana, I think we need to figure out whether the rendering is as intended by the font designers (as in Deja Vu's case) or whether there's a bug. (It might be that freetype uses hinting bytecode even at sizes so small that the font wants to be rendered without antialiasing issue which is already reported somewhere.) It can be worked around with a per-font policy using a config file similar to the above, but really, we want the BCI fixed instead. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fonts-bugs http://fonts.fedoraproject.org/
[Bug 679030] [freetype] uneven rendering quality when bytecode is enabled
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679030 --- Comment #7 from Joachim Namislow jfrie...@hotmail.com 2011-02-21 11:15:23 EST --- (In reply to comment #5) No, the screenshots are labeled correctly. In attachment 479866 and in attachment 479870, the text body is rendered using a rather ugly font, some DejaVu variant, I guess. Note the (Fedora) font used in the address bar which is very slim when the bytecode interpreter is enabled. Unfortunately, the new user interface does not allow in a straightforward manner to change hinting between slight and medium which could be used to improve the rendering. Freetype rendering of web core and Luxi fonts is sort of an eternal story as underlined by bug 198082 which I reported back in 2006. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ fonts-bugs mailing list fonts-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fonts-bugs http://fonts.fedoraproject.org/
