Re: [VOTE:RESULT] Luca Furini for Committer

2004-09-24 Thread pbwest
Quoting Chris Bowditch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Jeremias Maerki wrote:
> 
> > Looks like we don't get any more votes. Let's see:
> > 
> > +1 from:
> > Simon Pepping, Clay Leeds, Jeremias Maerki, Oleg Tkachenko, Finn Bock,
> > Glen Mazza, Christian Geisert, Joerg Pietschmann, Bertrand Delacrétaz. 
> > (9 votes)
> 
> cough, cough. I did vote too. Sorry to be picky, but I want to make it clear
> 
> that I think Luca really deserves committership. Congratulations, Luca.

I seem to recall voting +1 on this very early on, but I could be mistaken.  If so, +1.

Peter



Re: How much work is left before we can release HEAD?

2004-09-24 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Chris,

thank you doing this. I think it's important to have a good instrument
to determine our progress towards an initial release. I was a bit
shocked when I summed up only the points you've marked as high priority:
20 weeks. It got me thinking and running all the example files again
that I haven't run since early this year. Some still don't work, some
don't work anymore. Some look surprisingly good.

To your task list: Do you propose that all listed tasks should be
completed prior to an initial release? I think that there is a number of
tasks that are not really necessary for an 0.3, ex. floats, writing
mode/BIDI, last page. It would be great if we could break down the
things that need to be done into milestones. That may make it easier to
communicate to the outside world what our progress is. And we would also
know where we stand, because that's one of the biggest problem we
currently have.

Those who currently work on layout, how do you choose your work area?

One big problem I currently see is testing properly. We don't have a
good set of tests that we can simply run. The example document are all a
big mess demonstrating several features at once. Sometimes I don't even
understand how it should (!) look. Personally, I'd add one important,
high priority task to the list: (Finally) creating a good test/QS
environment along with several simple documents each training a single
feature. Attached to this task should/could be the Java2D renderer which
we can used to easily create comparable bitmaps. I don't believe in MD5
checking of PDF at this stage. That may be good as soon as we're in the
maintenance phase again.

Every now and then we get asked when there will be a next release. We
need to have some kind of answer for them. A good answer may even make
some company boss invest into FOP because he sees the end of the tunnel.
I think we will never get there if we target the full feature set for
the initial release. We can't but break down the whole thing into
manageable parts.

Food for flamesas usual.

On 22.09.2004 16:35:51 Chris Bowditch wrote:
> Team,
> 
> I have been trying to work out what is left to do be done before we can do an 
> initial release of HEAD, 0.3, say. I know some of you will prefer to aim for a 
> 1.0 and get everything right first time, but please bear with me.
> 
> I have consolidated the layout issues from [1] and [2] The infrastructure 
> items listed in [1] I feel are good enough for a 0.3 release. This is largely 
> thanks to work from Glen, Finn, Simon, Luca, Peter, Jeremias and the other 
> committers. Sorry if Ive missed anyone.
> 
> Anyway, i have created a wiki containing the work items along with my opinion 
> of priority and a finger in the air time estimates:
> 
> http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?FOPWorkEstimates
> 
> I would very much appreciate some feedback.
> 
> Chris
> 
> [1] http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?FOPProjectTasks
> 
> [2] http://xml.apache.org/fop/design/layout.html#status-todo



Jeremias Maerki



Re: [VOTE:RESULT] Luca Furini for Committer

2004-09-24 Thread Chris Bowditch
Jeremias Maerki wrote:
Sorry, Chris, I don't have your vote on my radar [1]. Must have gone
lost somewhere.
Thats Ok, I cant find it in the archives either, but it is in my sent items - 
odd really.

Chris


Re: XML Graphics: board concerns

2004-09-24 Thread pbwest
Quoting Glen Mazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> > The board hasn't
> > approved the creation of the XML Graphics project
> > due to the following
> > concern: They didn't recognize any names on the PMC
> > list. 
> 
> Jeremias, this is just not plausible.  How could they
> not recognize Jeremias Maerki, Joerg Pietschmann, or
> Thomas DeWeese?  (Or even me?  I've had several emails
> with Dirk and Ted, etc. over the past year.)  Please
> explain further.

Glen,

No, it is not plausible.  But that's what Greg Stein has told the pmc@ list (I think) 
in response to questions 
at to why the Xalan project was having problems getting off the ground.  Not only is 
it implausible, it's 
downright outrageous, and a very fine example of a degree of incompetence in the 
current Board that 
asymptotically approaches totality.  I've asked Jeremias how long this startling 
display took to get back 
from the Board.

Peter


Re: [VOTE:RESULT] Luca Furini for Committer

2004-09-24 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Sorry, Chris, I don't have your vote on my radar [1]. Must have gone
lost somewhere.

[1] http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&by=thread&from=883154

On 24.09.2004 10:04:49 Chris Bowditch wrote:
> Jeremias Maerki wrote:
> 
> > Looks like we don't get any more votes. Let's see:
> > 
> > +1 from:
> > Simon Pepping, Clay Leeds, Jeremias Maerki, Oleg Tkachenko, Finn Bock,
> > Glen Mazza, Christian Geisert, Joerg Pietschmann, Bertrand Delacrétaz. 
> > (9 votes)
> 
> cough, cough. I did vote too. Sorry to be picky, but I want to make it clear 
> that I think Luca really deserves committership. Congratulations, Luca.
> 
> Chris



Jeremias Maerki



Re: [VOTE:RESULT] Luca Furini for Committer

2004-09-24 Thread Chris Bowditch
Jeremias Maerki wrote:
Looks like we don't get any more votes. Let's see:
+1 from:
Simon Pepping, Clay Leeds, Jeremias Maerki, Oleg Tkachenko, Finn Bock,
Glen Mazza, Christian Geisert, Joerg Pietschmann, Bertrand Delacrétaz. 
(9 votes)
cough, cough. I did vote too. Sorry to be picky, but I want to make it clear 
that I think Luca really deserves committership. Congratulations, Luca.

Chris


[VOTE:RESULT] Luca Furini for Committer

2004-09-24 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Looks like we don't get any more votes. Let's see:

+1 from:
Simon Pepping, Clay Leeds, Jeremias Maerki, Oleg Tkachenko, Finn Bock,
Glen Mazza, Christian Geisert, Joerg Pietschmann, Bertrand Delacrétaz. 
(9 votes)

No other votes.

Luca, you are now a FOP committer. Now, some paper work. I need from
you:

Full name:Luca Furini

Preferred userid: ___
(unix account name)

Forwarding email address: _

Then you need to sign and send in the "Contributor License Agreement
(CLA)" found here: http://www.apache.org/licenses/#clas. Only after the
receipt of the signed CLA will your unix account be created, so you
should do that quickly. Tell me when you've sent it away so I can then
send the account request.

http://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html


Jeremias Maerki