Re: best format for high speed printing

2008-06-02 Thread Jeremias Maerki
PCL is not very easy to post-process. It's possible but probably tedious.

I'd use FOP's intermediate format [1] to add your barcodes and then
normally render the processed intermediate format using the PS or PCL
renderers.

[1] http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/intermediate.html

On 01.06.2008 14:41:33 Martin Edge wrote:
 OK - A further bit of research suggests - the reason I'm going to PDF
 first, is I have to rewrite some barcode information which dictates the
 page numbering for an intelligent envelope inserter
 
 Can you edit text easily in a PCL page? I'm using .NET
 
snip/ 



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Re: best format for high speed printing

2008-06-02 Thread Jeremias Maerki
That page sequence itself doesn't have an effect on the PCL file (as it
doesn't have a concept of page groups). The tray selection extension
really just inserts the right PCL command at the beginning of each page
that the extension was specified for. If you omit the extension on one
page, no command will be inserted.

On 02.06.2008 11:19:05 Martin Edge wrote:
 Yeah - doing that now.. Sorry I meant to ask -
 
 What if the combination of Letterhead v Plain Paper tray changes per page 
 sequence ? (example below)
 
 areaTree
   pageSequence 
 pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P1 nr=1 formatted-nr=1 
 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
   page --- Tray 2
   /page
 /pageViewport
 pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P2 nr=2 formatted-nr=2 
 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
   page --- Tray 1
   /page
 /pageViewport
 pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P3 nr=3 formatted-nr=3 
 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
   page --- Tray 1
   /page
 /pageViewport
 pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P4 nr=4 formatted-nr=4 
 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
   page --- Tray 1
   /page
 /pageViewport
   /pageSequence
   pageSequence
 pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P5 nr=5 formatted-nr=5 
 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
   page --- Tray 1
   /page
 /pageViewport
 pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P6 nr=6 formatted-nr=6 
 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
   page --- Tray 1
   /page
 /pageViewport
 pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P7 nr=7 formatted-nr=7 
 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
   page --- Tray 2
   /page
 /pageViewport
 pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P8 nr=8 formatted-nr=8 
 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
   page --- Tray 2
   /page
 /pageViewport
   /pageSequence
 /areaTree
 
 (obviously duplexing I will have to test.. am downloading the FOP source 
 now.. (not that I'm a java programmer ;))
 
 I really do appreciate your help by the way - in the last few days I have 
 made heaps of progress thanks to your combined efforts - 
 
 Thanks again,
 Martin.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 7:10 PM
 To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
 Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
 
 The tray selection extension just results in a command in PCL. If that
 works with changing duplexing, I don't know. You'll have to do some
 experiments.
 
 On 02.06.2008 11:02:15 Martin Edge wrote:
  Would these extensions work if the duplexing can vary per PageSequence?
  
  Or should I see what is put in the intermediate format to define this and 
  override it in there?
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 6:45 PM
  To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
  Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
  
  Tray selection is available: 
  http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/output.html#pcl-extensions
  
  A Simplex/Duplex selection (ESCl#S) extension hasn't been implemented,
  yet, but should be easy to add if you take tray selection as a template.
  
  On 02.06.2008 10:16:38 Martin Edge wrote:
   Cool - I have converted to the intermediate format, and then happily got 
   it to translate that to PCL..
   
   Is there any additional functionality in the Intermediate format ?
   
   For instance, can I set tray selection and duplex selection per 
   PageSequence?
   
   (Otherwise I will just generate one PCL, split it and add each flag per 
   PCL)
   
   Thanks
   Martin.
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 4:44 PM
   To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
   Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
   
   PCL is not very easy to post-process. It's possible but probably tedious.
   
   I'd use FOP's intermediate format [1] to add your barcodes and then
   normally render the processed intermediate format using the PS or PCL
   renderers.
   
   [1] http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/intermediate.html
   
   On 01.06.2008 14:41:33 Martin Edge wrote:
OK - A further bit of research suggests - the reason I'm going to PDF
first, is I have to rewrite some barcode information which dictates the
page numbering for an intelligent envelope inserter

Can you edit text easily in a PCL page? I'm using .NET

   snip/ 
   
  




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RE: best format for high speed printing

2008-06-02 Thread Martin Edge
OK,

So far in PCLGenerator.java in src\java\org\apache\fop\render\pcl\ under line 
230 I have added:

/**
* Selects the duplexing type for the page. The parameter is usually 
printer-specific. 
* 1 means duplex 
* 0 means simplex
* @param selector the integer representing the duplexing status of the page
* @throws IOException In case of an I/O error
*/
public void selectDuplexType(int selector) throws IOException {
writeCommand(l + selector + S);
}

And in PCLRenderer.java in src\java\org\apache\fop\render\pcl\ under line 408 I 
have added:

// Is Page duplex?
String pageDuplex = page.getForeignAttributeValue( new 
QName(PCLElementMapping.NAMESPACE, null, page-is-duplex));
if (pageDuplex != null) {
gen.selectDuplexType(Integer.parseInt(pageDuplex));
}

Will give it a test and see how we go - I'm not familiar with the procedures 
and/or naming conventions with modifying Apache code.. what should I do? :)

Thanks
Martin.



-Original Message-
From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 7:35 PM
To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing

That page sequence itself doesn't have an effect on the PCL file (as it
doesn't have a concept of page groups). The tray selection extension
really just inserts the right PCL command at the beginning of each page
that the extension was specified for. If you omit the extension on one
page, no command will be inserted.

On 02.06.2008 11:19:05 Martin Edge wrote:
 Yeah - doing that now.. Sorry I meant to ask -
 
 What if the combination of Letterhead v Plain Paper tray changes per page 
 sequence ? (example below)
 
 areaTree
   pageSequence 
 pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P1 nr=1 formatted-nr=1 
 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
   page --- Tray 2
   /page
 /pageViewport
 pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P2 nr=2 formatted-nr=2 
 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
   page --- Tray 1
   /page
 /pageViewport
 pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P3 nr=3 formatted-nr=3 
 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
   page --- Tray 1
   /page
 /pageViewport
 pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P4 nr=4 formatted-nr=4 
 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
   page --- Tray 1
   /page
 /pageViewport
   /pageSequence
   pageSequence
 pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P5 nr=5 formatted-nr=5 
 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
   page --- Tray 1
   /page
 /pageViewport
 pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P6 nr=6 formatted-nr=6 
 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
   page --- Tray 1
   /page
 /pageViewport
 pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P7 nr=7 formatted-nr=7 
 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
   page --- Tray 2
   /page
 /pageViewport
 pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P8 nr=8 formatted-nr=8 
 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
   page --- Tray 2
   /page
 /pageViewport
   /pageSequence
 /areaTree
 
 (obviously duplexing I will have to test.. am downloading the FOP source 
 now.. (not that I'm a java programmer ;))
 
 I really do appreciate your help by the way - in the last few days I have 
 made heaps of progress thanks to your combined efforts - 
 
 Thanks again,
 Martin.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 7:10 PM
 To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
 Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
 
 The tray selection extension just results in a command in PCL. If that
 works with changing duplexing, I don't know. You'll have to do some
 experiments.
 
 On 02.06.2008 11:02:15 Martin Edge wrote:
  Would these extensions work if the duplexing can vary per PageSequence?
  
  Or should I see what is put in the intermediate format to define this and 
  override it in there?
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 6:45 PM
  To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
  Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
  
  Tray selection is available: 
  http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/output.html#pcl-extensions
  
  A Simplex/Duplex selection (ESCl#S) extension hasn't been implemented,
  yet, but should be easy to add if you take tray selection as a template.
  
  On 02.06.2008 10:16:38 Martin Edge wrote:
   Cool - I have converted to the intermediate format, and then happily got 
   it to translate that to PCL..
   
   Is there any additional functionality in the Intermediate format ?
   
   For instance, can I set tray selection and duplex selection per 
   PageSequence?
   
   (Otherwise I will just generate one PCL, split it and add each flag per 
   PCL)
   
   Thanks
   Martin.
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 4:44 PM
   To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
   Subject: Re: best format

Re: best format for high speed printing

2008-06-02 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Make sure you are working on the latest FOP Trunk (downloaded from the
SVN repository), then create a patch file using your favourite SVN
client. Or with the command-line client:
svn up
svn diff  /path/to/patchfile.patch

Then follow the procedure here:
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/dev/index.html#patches

Conventions can be found here:
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/dev/conventions.html
(The most important part is to use spaces instead of tabs, otherwise
just try to mimic the existing code. We don't mind fixing minor
differences while reviewing the patch.)

BTW, the HP PCL reference lists the following valid values for the ESCl#S
command:
0 - Simplex
1 - Duplex, Long-Edge Binding
2 - Duplex, Short-Edge Binding
So that contrasts a little with your javadoc.

It would be great if you could also add some documentation for the
website. Otherwise, the new feature won't be much use for others. The
file that would need to be changed is the following:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/documentation/content/xdocs/trunk/output.xml?view=log


Good luck!

On 02.06.2008 12:30:52 Martin Edge wrote:
 OK,
 
 So far in PCLGenerator.java in src\java\org\apache\fop\render\pcl\ under line 
 230 I have added:
 
 /**
 * Selects the duplexing type for the page. The parameter is usually 
 printer-specific. 
 * 1 means duplex 
 * 0 means simplex
 * @param selector the integer representing the duplexing status of the page
 * @throws IOException In case of an I/O error
 */
 public void selectDuplexType(int selector) throws IOException {
   writeCommand(l + selector + S);
 }
 
 And in PCLRenderer.java in src\java\org\apache\fop\render\pcl\ under line 408 
 I have added:
 
 // Is Page duplex?
 String pageDuplex = page.getForeignAttributeValue( new 
 QName(PCLElementMapping.NAMESPACE, null, page-is-duplex));
 if (pageDuplex != null) {
   gen.selectDuplexType(Integer.parseInt(pageDuplex));
 }
 
 Will give it a test and see how we go - I'm not familiar with the procedures 
 and/or naming conventions with modifying Apache code.. what should I do? :)
 
 Thanks
 Martin.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 7:35 PM
 To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
 Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
 
 That page sequence itself doesn't have an effect on the PCL file (as it
 doesn't have a concept of page groups). The tray selection extension
 really just inserts the right PCL command at the beginning of each page
 that the extension was specified for. If you omit the extension on one
 page, no command will be inserted.
 
 On 02.06.2008 11:19:05 Martin Edge wrote:
  Yeah - doing that now.. Sorry I meant to ask -
  
  What if the combination of Letterhead v Plain Paper tray changes per page 
  sequence ? (example below)
  
  areaTree
pageSequence 
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P1 nr=1 
  formatted-nr=1 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 2
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P2 nr=2 
  formatted-nr=2 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P3 nr=3 
  formatted-nr=3 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P4 nr=4 
  formatted-nr=4 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
/pageSequence
pageSequence
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P5 nr=5 
  formatted-nr=5 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P6 nr=6 
  formatted-nr=6 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P7 nr=7 
  formatted-nr=7 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 2
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P8 nr=8 
  formatted-nr=8 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 2
/page
  /pageViewport
/pageSequence
  /areaTree
  
  (obviously duplexing I will have to test.. am downloading the FOP source 
  now.. (not that I'm a java programmer ;))
  
  I really do appreciate your help by the way - in the last few days I have 
  made heaps of progress thanks to your combined efforts - 
  
  Thanks again,
  Martin.
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 7:10 PM
  To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
  Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
  
  The tray selection extension just results in a command in PCL. If that
  works with changing duplexing, I don't know. You'll have to do some
  experiments.
  
  On 02.06.2008 11:02:15 Martin Edge wrote:
   Would

RE: best format for high speed printing

2008-06-02 Thread Martin Edge
Looks like the easiest approach for me is to modify the Intermediate Format and 
override the default selection for paper tray.

I added the extension in as suggested, and each ViewPort now has 
pcl:paper-source=2 xmlns:pcl=blah blah 

areaTree
  pageSequence
pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P1 nr=1 formatted-nr=1 
simple-page-master-name=basicPage pcl:paper-source=2 
xmlns:pcl=http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/extensions/pcl;
  page
  /page
/pageViewport
pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P2 nr=2 formatted-nr=2 
simple-page-master-name=basicPage pcl:paper-source=2 
xmlns:pcl=http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/extensions/pcl;
  page
  /page
/pageViewport

So I can just iterate over that set and adjust as required. Will investigate 
the duplexing side now - will let you know how I go.

Thanks
Martin.



-Original Message-
From: Martin Edge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 7:19 PM
To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
Subject: RE: best format for high speed printing

Yeah - doing that now.. Sorry I meant to ask -

What if the combination of Letterhead v Plain Paper tray changes per page 
sequence ? (example below)

areaTree
  pageSequence 
pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P1 nr=1 formatted-nr=1 
simple-page-master-name=basicPage
  page --- Tray 2
  /page
/pageViewport
pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P2 nr=2 formatted-nr=2 
simple-page-master-name=basicPage
  page --- Tray 1
  /page
/pageViewport
pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P3 nr=3 formatted-nr=3 
simple-page-master-name=basicPage
  page --- Tray 1
  /page
/pageViewport
pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P4 nr=4 formatted-nr=4 
simple-page-master-name=basicPage
  page --- Tray 1
  /page
/pageViewport
  /pageSequence
  pageSequence
pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P5 nr=5 formatted-nr=5 
simple-page-master-name=basicPage
  page --- Tray 1
  /page
/pageViewport
pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P6 nr=6 formatted-nr=6 
simple-page-master-name=basicPage
  page --- Tray 1
  /page
/pageViewport
pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P7 nr=7 formatted-nr=7 
simple-page-master-name=basicPage
  page --- Tray 2
  /page
/pageViewport
pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P8 nr=8 formatted-nr=8 
simple-page-master-name=basicPage
  page --- Tray 2
  /page
/pageViewport
  /pageSequence
/areaTree

(obviously duplexing I will have to test.. am downloading the FOP source now.. 
(not that I'm a java programmer ;))

I really do appreciate your help by the way - in the last few days I have made 
heaps of progress thanks to your combined efforts - 

Thanks again,
Martin.


-Original Message-
From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 7:10 PM
To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing

The tray selection extension just results in a command in PCL. If that
works with changing duplexing, I don't know. You'll have to do some
experiments.

On 02.06.2008 11:02:15 Martin Edge wrote:
 Would these extensions work if the duplexing can vary per PageSequence?
 
 Or should I see what is put in the intermediate format to define this and 
 override it in there?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 6:45 PM
 To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
 Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
 
 Tray selection is available: 
 http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/output.html#pcl-extensions
 
 A Simplex/Duplex selection (ESCl#S) extension hasn't been implemented,
 yet, but should be easy to add if you take tray selection as a template.
 
 On 02.06.2008 10:16:38 Martin Edge wrote:
  Cool - I have converted to the intermediate format, and then happily got it 
  to translate that to PCL..
  
  Is there any additional functionality in the Intermediate format ?
  
  For instance, can I set tray selection and duplex selection per 
  PageSequence?
  
  (Otherwise I will just generate one PCL, split it and add each flag per PCL)
  
  Thanks
  Martin.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 4:44 PM
  To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
  Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
  
  PCL is not very easy to post-process. It's possible but probably tedious.
  
  I'd use FOP's intermediate format [1] to add your barcodes and then
  normally render the processed intermediate format using the PS or PCL
  renderers.
  
  [1] http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/intermediate.html
  
  On 01.06.2008 14:41:33 Martin Edge wrote:
   OK - A further bit of research suggests - the reason I'm going to PDF
   first, is I have to rewrite some barcode information which dictates the
   page numbering for an intelligent envelope

RE: best format for high speed printing

2008-06-02 Thread Martin Edge
No problem - will make the necessary adjustments and have a go at committing 
it.. ( I have the latest trunk..)

Of curiosity - can you send me the link to the HP PCL Reference material?



-Original Message-
From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 9:41 PM
To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing

Make sure you are working on the latest FOP Trunk (downloaded from the
SVN repository), then create a patch file using your favourite SVN
client. Or with the command-line client:
svn up
svn diff  /path/to/patchfile.patch

Then follow the procedure here:
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/dev/index.html#patches

Conventions can be found here:
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/dev/conventions.html
(The most important part is to use spaces instead of tabs, otherwise
just try to mimic the existing code. We don't mind fixing minor
differences while reviewing the patch.)

BTW, the HP PCL reference lists the following valid values for the ESCl#S
command:
0 - Simplex
1 - Duplex, Long-Edge Binding
2 - Duplex, Short-Edge Binding
So that contrasts a little with your javadoc.

It would be great if you could also add some documentation for the
website. Otherwise, the new feature won't be much use for others. The
file that would need to be changed is the following:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/documentation/content/xdocs/trunk/output.xml?view=log


Good luck!

On 02.06.2008 12:30:52 Martin Edge wrote:
 OK,
 
 So far in PCLGenerator.java in src\java\org\apache\fop\render\pcl\ under line 
 230 I have added:
 
 /**
 * Selects the duplexing type for the page. The parameter is usually 
 printer-specific. 
 * 1 means duplex 
 * 0 means simplex
 * @param selector the integer representing the duplexing status of the page
 * @throws IOException In case of an I/O error
 */
 public void selectDuplexType(int selector) throws IOException {
   writeCommand(l + selector + S);
 }
 
 And in PCLRenderer.java in src\java\org\apache\fop\render\pcl\ under line 408 
 I have added:
 
 // Is Page duplex?
 String pageDuplex = page.getForeignAttributeValue( new 
 QName(PCLElementMapping.NAMESPACE, null, page-is-duplex));
 if (pageDuplex != null) {
   gen.selectDuplexType(Integer.parseInt(pageDuplex));
 }
 
 Will give it a test and see how we go - I'm not familiar with the procedures 
 and/or naming conventions with modifying Apache code.. what should I do? :)
 
 Thanks
 Martin.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 7:35 PM
 To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
 Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
 
 That page sequence itself doesn't have an effect on the PCL file (as it
 doesn't have a concept of page groups). The tray selection extension
 really just inserts the right PCL command at the beginning of each page
 that the extension was specified for. If you omit the extension on one
 page, no command will be inserted.
 
 On 02.06.2008 11:19:05 Martin Edge wrote:
  Yeah - doing that now.. Sorry I meant to ask -
  
  What if the combination of Letterhead v Plain Paper tray changes per page 
  sequence ? (example below)
  
  areaTree
pageSequence 
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P1 nr=1 
  formatted-nr=1 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 2
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P2 nr=2 
  formatted-nr=2 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P3 nr=3 
  formatted-nr=3 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P4 nr=4 
  formatted-nr=4 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
/pageSequence
pageSequence
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P5 nr=5 
  formatted-nr=5 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P6 nr=6 
  formatted-nr=6 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P7 nr=7 
  formatted-nr=7 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 2
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P8 nr=8 
  formatted-nr=8 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 2
/page
  /pageViewport
/pageSequence
  /areaTree
  
  (obviously duplexing I will have to test.. am downloading the FOP source 
  now.. (not that I'm a java programmer ;))
  
  I really do appreciate your help by the way - in the last few days I have 
  made heaps of progress thanks to your combined efforts - 
  
  Thanks again,
  Martin.
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From

Re: best format for high speed printing

2008-06-02 Thread Jeremias Maerki
The tray selection extension just results in a command in PCL. If that
works with changing duplexing, I don't know. You'll have to do some
experiments.

On 02.06.2008 11:02:15 Martin Edge wrote:
 Would these extensions work if the duplexing can vary per PageSequence?
 
 Or should I see what is put in the intermediate format to define this and 
 override it in there?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 6:45 PM
 To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
 Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
 
 Tray selection is available: 
 http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/output.html#pcl-extensions
 
 A Simplex/Duplex selection (ESCl#S) extension hasn't been implemented,
 yet, but should be easy to add if you take tray selection as a template.
 
 On 02.06.2008 10:16:38 Martin Edge wrote:
  Cool - I have converted to the intermediate format, and then happily got it 
  to translate that to PCL..
  
  Is there any additional functionality in the Intermediate format ?
  
  For instance, can I set tray selection and duplex selection per 
  PageSequence?
  
  (Otherwise I will just generate one PCL, split it and add each flag per PCL)
  
  Thanks
  Martin.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 4:44 PM
  To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
  Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
  
  PCL is not very easy to post-process. It's possible but probably tedious.
  
  I'd use FOP's intermediate format [1] to add your barcodes and then
  normally render the processed intermediate format using the PS or PCL
  renderers.
  
  [1] http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/intermediate.html
  
  On 01.06.2008 14:41:33 Martin Edge wrote:
   OK - A further bit of research suggests - the reason I'm going to PDF
   first, is I have to rewrite some barcode information which dictates the
   page numbering for an intelligent envelope inserter
   
   Can you edit text easily in a PCL page? I'm using .NET
   
  snip/ 
  
 



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RE: best format for high speed printing

2008-06-02 Thread Martin Edge
Yeah - doing that now.. Sorry I meant to ask -

What if the combination of Letterhead v Plain Paper tray changes per page 
sequence ? (example below)

areaTree
  pageSequence 
pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P1 nr=1 formatted-nr=1 
simple-page-master-name=basicPage
  page --- Tray 2
  /page
/pageViewport
pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P2 nr=2 formatted-nr=2 
simple-page-master-name=basicPage
  page --- Tray 1
  /page
/pageViewport
pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P3 nr=3 formatted-nr=3 
simple-page-master-name=basicPage
  page --- Tray 1
  /page
/pageViewport
pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P4 nr=4 formatted-nr=4 
simple-page-master-name=basicPage
  page --- Tray 1
  /page
/pageViewport
  /pageSequence
  pageSequence
pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P5 nr=5 formatted-nr=5 
simple-page-master-name=basicPage
  page --- Tray 1
  /page
/pageViewport
pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P6 nr=6 formatted-nr=6 
simple-page-master-name=basicPage
  page --- Tray 1
  /page
/pageViewport
pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P7 nr=7 formatted-nr=7 
simple-page-master-name=basicPage
  page --- Tray 2
  /page
/pageViewport
pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P8 nr=8 formatted-nr=8 
simple-page-master-name=basicPage
  page --- Tray 2
  /page
/pageViewport
  /pageSequence
/areaTree

(obviously duplexing I will have to test.. am downloading the FOP source now.. 
(not that I'm a java programmer ;))

I really do appreciate your help by the way - in the last few days I have made 
heaps of progress thanks to your combined efforts - 

Thanks again,
Martin.


-Original Message-
From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 7:10 PM
To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing

The tray selection extension just results in a command in PCL. If that
works with changing duplexing, I don't know. You'll have to do some
experiments.

On 02.06.2008 11:02:15 Martin Edge wrote:
 Would these extensions work if the duplexing can vary per PageSequence?
 
 Or should I see what is put in the intermediate format to define this and 
 override it in there?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 6:45 PM
 To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
 Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
 
 Tray selection is available: 
 http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/output.html#pcl-extensions
 
 A Simplex/Duplex selection (ESCl#S) extension hasn't been implemented,
 yet, but should be easy to add if you take tray selection as a template.
 
 On 02.06.2008 10:16:38 Martin Edge wrote:
  Cool - I have converted to the intermediate format, and then happily got it 
  to translate that to PCL..
  
  Is there any additional functionality in the Intermediate format ?
  
  For instance, can I set tray selection and duplex selection per 
  PageSequence?
  
  (Otherwise I will just generate one PCL, split it and add each flag per PCL)
  
  Thanks
  Martin.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 4:44 PM
  To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
  Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
  
  PCL is not very easy to post-process. It's possible but probably tedious.
  
  I'd use FOP's intermediate format [1] to add your barcodes and then
  normally render the processed intermediate format using the PS or PCL
  renderers.
  
  [1] http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/intermediate.html
  
  On 01.06.2008 14:41:33 Martin Edge wrote:
   OK - A further bit of research suggests - the reason I'm going to PDF
   first, is I have to rewrite some barcode information which dictates the
   page numbering for an intelligent envelope inserter
   
   Can you edit text easily in a PCL page? I'm using .NET
   
  snip/ 
  
 



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RE: best format for high speed printing

2008-06-02 Thread Martin Edge
Would these extensions work if the duplexing can vary per PageSequence?

Or should I see what is put in the intermediate format to define this and 
override it in there?

-Original Message-
From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 6:45 PM
To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing

Tray selection is available: 
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/output.html#pcl-extensions

A Simplex/Duplex selection (ESCl#S) extension hasn't been implemented,
yet, but should be easy to add if you take tray selection as a template.

On 02.06.2008 10:16:38 Martin Edge wrote:
 Cool - I have converted to the intermediate format, and then happily got it 
 to translate that to PCL..
 
 Is there any additional functionality in the Intermediate format ?
 
 For instance, can I set tray selection and duplex selection per PageSequence?
 
 (Otherwise I will just generate one PCL, split it and add each flag per PCL)
 
 Thanks
 Martin.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 4:44 PM
 To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
 Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
 
 PCL is not very easy to post-process. It's possible but probably tedious.
 
 I'd use FOP's intermediate format [1] to add your barcodes and then
 normally render the processed intermediate format using the PS or PCL
 renderers.
 
 [1] http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/intermediate.html
 
 On 01.06.2008 14:41:33 Martin Edge wrote:
  OK - A further bit of research suggests - the reason I'm going to PDF
  first, is I have to rewrite some barcode information which dictates the
  page numbering for an intelligent envelope inserter
  
  Can you edit text easily in a PCL page? I'm using .NET
  
 snip/ 
 




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RE: best format for high speed printing

2008-06-02 Thread Martin Edge
Never mind - I see the link in the output.xml 

-Original Message-
From: Martin Edge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 9:44 PM
To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
Subject: RE: best format for high speed printing

No problem - will make the necessary adjustments and have a go at committing 
it.. ( I have the latest trunk..)

Of curiosity - can you send me the link to the HP PCL Reference material?



-Original Message-
From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 9:41 PM
To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing

Make sure you are working on the latest FOP Trunk (downloaded from the
SVN repository), then create a patch file using your favourite SVN
client. Or with the command-line client:
svn up
svn diff  /path/to/patchfile.patch

Then follow the procedure here:
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/dev/index.html#patches

Conventions can be found here:
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/dev/conventions.html
(The most important part is to use spaces instead of tabs, otherwise
just try to mimic the existing code. We don't mind fixing minor
differences while reviewing the patch.)

BTW, the HP PCL reference lists the following valid values for the ESCl#S
command:
0 - Simplex
1 - Duplex, Long-Edge Binding
2 - Duplex, Short-Edge Binding
So that contrasts a little with your javadoc.

It would be great if you could also add some documentation for the
website. Otherwise, the new feature won't be much use for others. The
file that would need to be changed is the following:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/documentation/content/xdocs/trunk/output.xml?view=log


Good luck!

On 02.06.2008 12:30:52 Martin Edge wrote:
 OK,
 
 So far in PCLGenerator.java in src\java\org\apache\fop\render\pcl\ under line 
 230 I have added:
 
 /**
 * Selects the duplexing type for the page. The parameter is usually 
 printer-specific. 
 * 1 means duplex 
 * 0 means simplex
 * @param selector the integer representing the duplexing status of the page
 * @throws IOException In case of an I/O error
 */
 public void selectDuplexType(int selector) throws IOException {
   writeCommand(l + selector + S);
 }
 
 And in PCLRenderer.java in src\java\org\apache\fop\render\pcl\ under line 408 
 I have added:
 
 // Is Page duplex?
 String pageDuplex = page.getForeignAttributeValue( new 
 QName(PCLElementMapping.NAMESPACE, null, page-is-duplex));
 if (pageDuplex != null) {
   gen.selectDuplexType(Integer.parseInt(pageDuplex));
 }
 
 Will give it a test and see how we go - I'm not familiar with the procedures 
 and/or naming conventions with modifying Apache code.. what should I do? :)
 
 Thanks
 Martin.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 7:35 PM
 To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
 Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
 
 That page sequence itself doesn't have an effect on the PCL file (as it
 doesn't have a concept of page groups). The tray selection extension
 really just inserts the right PCL command at the beginning of each page
 that the extension was specified for. If you omit the extension on one
 page, no command will be inserted.
 
 On 02.06.2008 11:19:05 Martin Edge wrote:
  Yeah - doing that now.. Sorry I meant to ask -
  
  What if the combination of Letterhead v Plain Paper tray changes per page 
  sequence ? (example below)
  
  areaTree
pageSequence 
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P1 nr=1 
  formatted-nr=1 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 2
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P2 nr=2 
  formatted-nr=2 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P3 nr=3 
  formatted-nr=3 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P4 nr=4 
  formatted-nr=4 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
/pageSequence
pageSequence
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P5 nr=5 
  formatted-nr=5 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P6 nr=6 
  formatted-nr=6 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P7 nr=7 
  formatted-nr=7 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 2
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P8 nr=8 
  formatted-nr=8 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 2
/page
  /pageViewport
/pageSequence
  /areaTree
  
  (obviously duplexing I will have to test.. am downloading the FOP source 
  now.. (not that I'm

Re: best format for high speed printing

2008-06-02 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Tray selection is available: 
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/output.html#pcl-extensions

A Simplex/Duplex selection (ESCl#S) extension hasn't been implemented,
yet, but should be easy to add if you take tray selection as a template.

On 02.06.2008 10:16:38 Martin Edge wrote:
 Cool - I have converted to the intermediate format, and then happily got it 
 to translate that to PCL..
 
 Is there any additional functionality in the Intermediate format ?
 
 For instance, can I set tray selection and duplex selection per PageSequence?
 
 (Otherwise I will just generate one PCL, split it and add each flag per PCL)
 
 Thanks
 Martin.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 4:44 PM
 To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
 Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
 
 PCL is not very easy to post-process. It's possible but probably tedious.
 
 I'd use FOP's intermediate format [1] to add your barcodes and then
 normally render the processed intermediate format using the PS or PCL
 renderers.
 
 [1] http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/intermediate.html
 
 On 01.06.2008 14:41:33 Martin Edge wrote:
  OK - A further bit of research suggests - the reason I'm going to PDF
  first, is I have to rewrite some barcode information which dictates the
  page numbering for an intelligent envelope inserter
  
  Can you edit text easily in a PCL page? I'm using .NET
  
 snip/ 
 




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RE: best format for high speed printing

2008-06-02 Thread Martin Edge
All done - lets see if my first patch gets approved! :-)

Thanks 
Martin.


-Original Message-
From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 9:41 PM
To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing

Make sure you are working on the latest FOP Trunk (downloaded from the
SVN repository), then create a patch file using your favourite SVN
client. Or with the command-line client:
svn up
svn diff  /path/to/patchfile.patch

Then follow the procedure here:
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/dev/index.html#patches

Conventions can be found here:
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/dev/conventions.html
(The most important part is to use spaces instead of tabs, otherwise
just try to mimic the existing code. We don't mind fixing minor
differences while reviewing the patch.)

BTW, the HP PCL reference lists the following valid values for the ESCl#S
command:
0 - Simplex
1 - Duplex, Long-Edge Binding
2 - Duplex, Short-Edge Binding
So that contrasts a little with your javadoc.

It would be great if you could also add some documentation for the
website. Otherwise, the new feature won't be much use for others. The
file that would need to be changed is the following:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/documentation/content/xdocs/trunk/output.xml?view=log


Good luck!

On 02.06.2008 12:30:52 Martin Edge wrote:
 OK,
 
 So far in PCLGenerator.java in src\java\org\apache\fop\render\pcl\ under line 
 230 I have added:
 
 /**
 * Selects the duplexing type for the page. The parameter is usually 
 printer-specific. 
 * 1 means duplex 
 * 0 means simplex
 * @param selector the integer representing the duplexing status of the page
 * @throws IOException In case of an I/O error
 */
 public void selectDuplexType(int selector) throws IOException {
   writeCommand(l + selector + S);
 }
 
 And in PCLRenderer.java in src\java\org\apache\fop\render\pcl\ under line 408 
 I have added:
 
 // Is Page duplex?
 String pageDuplex = page.getForeignAttributeValue( new 
 QName(PCLElementMapping.NAMESPACE, null, page-is-duplex));
 if (pageDuplex != null) {
   gen.selectDuplexType(Integer.parseInt(pageDuplex));
 }
 
 Will give it a test and see how we go - I'm not familiar with the procedures 
 and/or naming conventions with modifying Apache code.. what should I do? :)
 
 Thanks
 Martin.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 7:35 PM
 To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
 Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
 
 That page sequence itself doesn't have an effect on the PCL file (as it
 doesn't have a concept of page groups). The tray selection extension
 really just inserts the right PCL command at the beginning of each page
 that the extension was specified for. If you omit the extension on one
 page, no command will be inserted.
 
 On 02.06.2008 11:19:05 Martin Edge wrote:
  Yeah - doing that now.. Sorry I meant to ask -
  
  What if the combination of Letterhead v Plain Paper tray changes per page 
  sequence ? (example below)
  
  areaTree
pageSequence 
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P1 nr=1 
  formatted-nr=1 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 2
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P2 nr=2 
  formatted-nr=2 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P3 nr=3 
  formatted-nr=3 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P4 nr=4 
  formatted-nr=4 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
/pageSequence
pageSequence
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P5 nr=5 
  formatted-nr=5 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P6 nr=6 
  formatted-nr=6 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 1
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P7 nr=7 
  formatted-nr=7 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 2
/page
  /pageViewport
  pageViewport bounds=0 0 595275 841889 key=P8 nr=8 
  formatted-nr=8 simple-page-master-name=basicPage
page --- Tray 2
/page
  /pageViewport
/pageSequence
  /areaTree
  
  (obviously duplexing I will have to test.. am downloading the FOP source 
  now.. (not that I'm a java programmer ;))
  
  I really do appreciate your help by the way - in the last few days I have 
  made heaps of progress thanks to your combined efforts - 
  
  Thanks again,
  Martin.
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 7:10 PM
  To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org

Re: best format for high speed printing

2008-06-01 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Huh? You convert PDF to PCL? Why don't you use the PCL renderer? That
removes the seemingly time-consuming conversion from PDF to PCL. Or
rather, if you can choose, I'd go for PostScript output. PDF is not the
only output format FOP supports directly:
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/output.html#pcl

On 01.06.2008 05:03:52 Martin Edge wrote:
 Hey Guys (my emails were tidier but apache's spam protection is ridiculous 
 :)),
 
 But anyway ... 
 
 Fair enough on your response kindaian... – thanks for your answer (and you 
 too Jeremy!)
 
 Perhaps the software I am using to do the conversion from PDF to PCL could be 
 improved.. I tried postscript, but so far I have been processing for 21hrs.. 
 My 79Mb PDF file is now a 94 Gig Postscript file! (that can’t be real, 
 surely??).
 
 PCL takes about 6hrs for 20,000 pages (5333 recipient * four pages) with 
 every 4th and 5th recipient in duplexing mode and the 1st page taking from 
 the letterhead tray, the rest from the plain paper tray. The current process 
 would create 20,000 files and add them to one larger file (this process is 
 fast) marking duplexing and paper requirements whilst it aggregates them.
 
 As it seems my format options are somewhat limited PCL/PS/AFP [we call the 
 AFP the coppers over here ☺] –
 
 The XSLT - FO and FO - PDF processes work quickly. It’s simply the PDF - 
 PCL/AFP/PS stage which is killing me.
 
 I’m using ghostscript for this purpose. Just their standard PDF2PS.bat script 
 (and a slightly hacked one for PCL).
 
 Can you recommend a better software for this purpose, or is the conversion to 
 PDF first potentially hazardous in performance to my desired printing type 
 (PCL or PS).
 
 Like, maybe XSL - FO - SOMETHING - PCL or XSL - FO - PCL?
 
 Thanks guys your help is most appreciated!
 Martin.
 
 ---
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2008 11:11 PM
 To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
 Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
 
 
 Is there an efficient file format available that is much faster, and still
 allows me to control duplexing and tray selection per page?
 
 
   
 Some high end printers have special markings and language (with barcodes) 
 that you can use outside the printing area to control the way the printing on 
 that page is handled.
 
 I've seen it used in conjugation with printing-folding and enveloping systems 
 (but can't be more precise because never used one, only watched the systems 
 working on expos).
 
 As for optimization, one thing that i noticed is if you have loads of 
 citation references, the document production takes an huge time more to be 
 produced. And I'm only referring to fo-pdf production mind.
 
 For further optimization you can also decouple the xml-xslt-fo and 
 fo-output production. Passing from a 32bit to full flagged 64bit environment 
 may also allow further improvements (and break the Java limitation on the 
 memory allocation that happens in all 32bit applications). In 32bit 
 environment with 4gb ram on the machine, I wasn't able to use more then 1.2Gb 
 ram in Java.
 
 The project I was involved is a book with more then 5k pages with extensive 
 use of page references to produce automatically indexes. To be able to 
 render the book it was needed to split the book in chapters and produce an 
 index for each of the chapter. Not a nice hack, but it worked.
 
 Hope to have been of help,
 
 Cheers,
 Luís Ferro
 
 
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RE: best format for high speed printing

2008-06-01 Thread Martin Edge
OK - A further bit of research suggests - the reason I'm going to PDF first, is 
I have to rewrite some barcode information which dictates the page numbering 
for an intelligent envelope inserter

Can you edit text easily in a PCL page? I'm using .NET





-Original Message-
From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, 1 June 2008 5:00 PM
To: fop-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org
Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing

Huh? You convert PDF to PCL? Why don't you use the PCL renderer? That
removes the seemingly time-consuming conversion from PDF to PCL. Or
rather, if you can choose, I'd go for PostScript output. PDF is not the
only output format FOP supports directly:
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.95/output.html#pcl

On 01.06.2008 05:03:52 Martin Edge wrote:
 Hey Guys (my emails were tidier but apache's spam protection is ridiculous 
 :)),
 
 But anyway ... 
 
 Fair enough on your response kindaian... – thanks for your answer (and you 
 too Jeremy!)
 
 Perhaps the software I am using to do the conversion from PDF to PCL could be 
 improved.. I tried postscript, but so far I have been processing for 21hrs.. 
 My 79Mb PDF file is now a 94 Gig Postscript file! (that can’t be real, 
 surely??).
 
 PCL takes about 6hrs for 20,000 pages (5333 recipient * four pages) with 
 every 4th and 5th recipient in duplexing mode and the 1st page taking from 
 the letterhead tray, the rest from the plain paper tray. The current process 
 would create 20,000 files and add them to one larger file (this process is 
 fast) marking duplexing and paper requirements whilst it aggregates them.
 
 As it seems my format options are somewhat limited PCL/PS/AFP [we call the 
 AFP the coppers over here ☺] –
 
 The XSLT - FO and FO - PDF processes work quickly. It’s simply the PDF - 
 PCL/AFP/PS stage which is killing me.
 
 I’m using ghostscript for this purpose. Just their standard PDF2PS.bat script 
 (and a slightly hacked one for PCL).
 
 Can you recommend a better software for this purpose, or is the conversion to 
 PDF first potentially hazardous in performance to my desired printing type 
 (PCL or PS).
 
 Like, maybe XSL - FO - SOMETHING - PCL or XSL - FO - PCL?
 
 Thanks guys your help is most appreciated!
 Martin.
 
 ---
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2008 11:11 PM
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 Subject: Re: best format for high speed printing
 
 
 Is there an efficient file format available that is much faster, and still
 allows me to control duplexing and tray selection per page?
 
 
   
 Some high end printers have special markings and language (with barcodes) 
 that you can use outside the printing area to control the way the printing on 
 that page is handled.
 
 I've seen it used in conjugation with printing-folding and enveloping systems 
 (but can't be more precise because never used one, only watched the systems 
 working on expos).
 
 As for optimization, one thing that i noticed is if you have loads of 
 citation references, the document production takes an huge time more to be 
 produced. And I'm only referring to fo-pdf production mind.
 
 For further optimization you can also decouple the xml-xslt-fo and 
 fo-output production. Passing from a 32bit to full flagged 64bit environment 
 may also allow further improvements (and break the Java limitation on the 
 memory allocation that happens in all 32bit applications). In 32bit 
 environment with 4gb ram on the machine, I wasn't able to use more then 1.2Gb 
 ram in Java.
 
 The project I was involved is a book with more then 5k pages with extensive 
 use of page references to produce automatically indexes. To be able to 
 render the book it was needed to split the book in chapters and produce an 
 index for each of the chapter. Not a nice hack, but it worked.
 
 Hope to have been of help,
 
 Cheers,
 Luís Ferro
 
 
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Re: best format for high speed printing

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Is there an efficient file format available that is much faster, and still
allows me to control duplexing and tray selection per page?



  
Some high end printers have special markings and language (with 
barcodes) that you can use outside the printing area to control the way 
the printing on that page is handled.


I've seen it used in conjugation with printing-folding and enveloping 
systems (but can't be more precise because never used one, only watched 
the systems working on expos).


As for optimization, one thing that i noticed is if you have loads of 
citation references, the document production takes an huge time more to 
be produced. And I'm only referring to fo-pdf production mind.


For further optimization you can also decouple the xml-xslt-fo and 
fo-output production. Passing from a 32bit to full flagged 64bit 
environment may also allow further improvements (and break the Java 
limitation on the memory allocation that happens in all 32bit 
applications). In 32bit environment with 4gb ram on the machine, I 
wasn't able to use more then 1.2Gb ram in Java.


The project I was involved is a book with more then 5k pages with 
extensive use of page references to produce automatically indexes. To be 
able to render the book it was needed to split the book in chapters 
and produce an index for each of the chapter. Not a nice hack, but it 
worked.


Hope to have been of help,

Cheers,
Luís Ferro