Re: [fossil-users] disabled due to excessive bounces (again?)

2016-10-16 Thread K. Fossil user 
Hi,
1/a) "It is possible that Yahoo is
blocking the e-mails due to much mail"
May be. I've received many mails from other website but nothing like that.
b) "It is also possible that Yahoo is refusing some kinds of attachments"
May be, however i do receive any kind of attachments.
c) "I
would suggest you go to your subscription settings for the mailing list
and disable attachments"
Something I won't do : attachments have got nice info sometimes especially 
patches... and sometimes signatures.At least do what you can as you've said and 
think.Then we will see if a change could be done.
2/"You should not attribute mail server communication issues as malice. If
the administrators wanted you gone they could outright ban and block
your e-mail address"
:-D
a) Nothing seems to show us that there is any malice, at least here nothing I 
point out that it should not occur: it is bad for the Fossil future.However I 
agree that it is necessary for you to inform people about this e.g. your talk 
about malice.b) People could be banned, and I know someone in another website 
that was banned.It's something I never recommend unless there is a serious 
jeopardy such as illegal way of conduct or something that may tend to that.c) 
Honestly people here are really respectful, may be some of them are not but 
that doesn't bother me.d) And I dare to say that Fossil team does a nice job in 
general, however they act like stupid people when it comes to something outside 
the computer reality...(A geeky attitude i suppose ?)

3/ Try to see if it is because Fossil send something that is supposed to be 
from Yahoo ?They would like to avoid phishing issue for example ?

4/ BTW thank you for your advice and your job.I don't think that you can do 
anything but who knows...

Best Regards

K.

  De : Steven Gawroriski 
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 Envoyé le : Dimanche 16 octobre 2016 12h08
 Objet : Re: [fossil-users] disabled due to excessive bounces (again?)
   
On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 03:27:02 + (UTC)
"K. Fossil user"  wrote:

> Hi again,
> Ah I forgot something like this :
> "Your membership in the mailing list fossil-users has been disabled
> due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
> 16-Oct-2016.  You will not get any more messages from this list until
> you re-enable your membership.  You will receive 3 more reminders like
> this before your membership in the list is deleted.
> "

I would check all of the e-mails you have received and compare them
with the archive on the mailing list site. It is possible that Yahoo is
blocking the e-mails due to much mail (anyone from a Yahoo address
will get a copy of the mails).

It is also possible that Yahoo is refusing some kinds of attachments,
which do appear in the mailing list, and is blocking those e-mails. If
none of your e-mails from the mailing list have attachments then I
would suggest you go to your subscription settings for the mailing list
and disable attachments.

> When it comes to mailman... not astonished.
> The message one could read could be "Hey you hurt us !".Now I
> understand that the issue the other day is not fixed. The same in
> fact.

You should not attribute mail server communication issues as malice. If
the administrators wanted you gone they could outright ban and block
your e-mail address. That would be far more effective and more
efficient than recompiling the mail server to create fake bounce
notices on your account.
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Re: [fossil-users] disabled due to excessive bounces (again?)

2016-10-16 Thread K. Fossil user 
Hi,
Hostile ? You don't know what it is hostility then...Someone who is a bit 
hostile won't write here unless he is a bit moronic in his mind...And of course 
he won't give any advice.
Of course he would tell everyone that Fossil is a very bad Team with a very bad 
product.May be you would like me to say that around ? Yes I can, but I may 
not.I am angry because Fossil knows nothing about marketing which is bad for 
any project...
I must admit it : I was wrong when I taught that Fossil have basic knowledge of 
marketing.
And yes sir, it will be hard to try to convince people to use Fossil after what 
I've read.We both agree at least that you haven't read/didn't understand what 
I've said in my previous thread, have you ?
Serious people don't like pessimistic message, but I, like many serious people, 
prefer Truth even if it is said with very brutal and rude way.I guess what I've 
wrote is really brutal for you...

Of course, if you've got nice advice to all of us, at least for me, share it.

I've got an advice for you : because I am so wrong why don't you try to ask 
your friends in real life (not here) about this :"What do you think guys about 
a project who knows nothing about marketing ?"Or at least if you do think that 
it is untrue (let me laugh) ask:"What do you think guys about a project who 
knows blatantly about marketing ?"
And because you are SO honest then ask this :"Is the guy who have noticed that 
wrong or not ?"
Are you still honest with us ? Yes ? Then share it here...
Remember what I've said ? Everyone prefer the Truth.
To sum up what I've said in previous thread :Because there is no reason for 
people to use Fossil, then it is necessary to have a better marketing 
approach.A poll is a beginning of a marketing approach. Everyone seem to 
disagree with the poll I've asked.
Then I've given some good reasons why polls should occur, such as a compilation 
issue I've never seen before. And WE ALL see that there were few days ago some 
compilation issue with the Windows OS realm. Which is a shame in my point of 
view.

Would you dare to say what I've sum up above ? I do recommend not, but it's up 
to you sir.

Best Regards

K.

  De : Joerg Sonnenberger 
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 Envoyé le : Dimanche 16 octobre 2016 14h27
 Objet : Re: [fossil-users] disabled due to excessive bounces (again?)
   
On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 03:27:02AM +, K. Fossil user wrote:
> Try to convince people to use Fossil after that : very hard.

Can you please take your negative and hostile attitude somewhere else?
It seems clear now that you have a number of problems on your side.
>From a mail server that doesn't work properly for whatever reason, over
a build environment you don't want tell us about to whatever random FUD
you are repeating based on unnamed coworkers. I'd kindly request you to
follow basic rules of productive communication. If you have a problem
and you don't want it solved, don't bother telling us about it. If you
do want it to be improved, it doesn't help if you don't tell us what it
actually is.

Joerg
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Re: [fossil-users] autosetup: hidden autoconf/automake compatibility

2016-10-16 Thread Steve Bennett 

> On 15 Oct 2016, at 2:01 PM, Osamu Aoki  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Here is FYI suggestion to make compatibility of autosetup to support the
> system expecting typical autoconf/automake options while not killing
> nice option checking feature of autosetup via --disable-option-checking.
> 
> As I see output of "./configure --help" on autoconf/automake based code,
> I see the following:
> 
>  --enable-silent-rules   less verbose build output (undo: "make V=1")
>  --disable-silent-rules  verbose build output (undo: "make V=0")
> 
> Also I see in autosetup/system.tcl already supports many *hidden*
> options for autoconf/automake compatibility.  Why not add one more
> hidden option support for "silent-rules"?
> 
> Regards,

autosetup can't implement silent-rules since it doesn't write your Makefile.
But you can add it to your project (fossil) in auto.def, either as a dummy 
option
or also add support in the Makefile.

Cheers,
Steve
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Re: [fossil-users] disabled due to excessive bounces (again?)

2016-10-16 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger 
On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 03:27:02AM +, K. Fossil user wrote:
> Try to convince people to use Fossil after that : very hard.

Can you please take your negative and hostile attitude somewhere else?
It seems clear now that you have a number of problems on your side.
From a mail server that doesn't work properly for whatever reason, over
a build environment you don't want tell us about to whatever random FUD
you are repeating based on unnamed coworkers. I'd kindly request you to
follow basic rules of productive communication. If you have a problem
and you don't want it solved, don't bother telling us about it. If you
do want it to be improved, it doesn't help if you don't tell us what it
actually is.

Joerg
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Re: [fossil-users] disabled due to excessive bounces (again?)

2016-10-16 Thread Steven Gawroriski 
On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 03:27:02 + (UTC)
"K. Fossil user"  wrote:

> Hi again,
> Ah I forgot something like this :
> "Your membership in the mailing list fossil-users has been disabled
> due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
> 16-Oct-2016.  You will not get any more messages from this list until
> you re-enable your membership.  You will receive 3 more reminders like
> this before your membership in the list is deleted.
> "

I would check all of the e-mails you have received and compare them
with the archive on the mailing list site. It is possible that Yahoo is
blocking the e-mails due to much mail (anyone from a Yahoo address
will get a copy of the mails).

It is also possible that Yahoo is refusing some kinds of attachments,
which do appear in the mailing list, and is blocking those e-mails. If
none of your e-mails from the mailing list have attachments then I
would suggest you go to your subscription settings for the mailing list
and disable attachments.

> When it comes to mailman... not astonished.
> The message one could read could be "Hey you hurt us !".Now I
> understand that the issue the other day is not fixed. The same in
> fact.

You should not attribute mail server communication issues as malice. If
the administrators wanted you gone they could outright ban and block
your e-mail address. That would be far more effective and more
efficient than recompiling the mail server to create fake bounce
notices on your account.
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Re: [fossil-users] www.fossil-scm.org down?

2016-10-16 Thread Johan Kuuse 
On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Richard Hipp  wrote:
> On 10/16/16, Johan Kuuse  wrote:
>> El 16 oct. 2016 11:08, "Johan Kuuse"  escribió:
>>
>>> Are you running any supervisor process for xinetd?
>>>
>>> I used to run "daemontools" in the passed, worked quite well, but
>>> nowadays, "runit" seems to be a common alternative.
>>>
>>> Or maybe you could just run a cron job for alerts, to keep the downtime
>>> to
>>> a minimum.
>
> xinetd has never given trouble before...


If it is a one-time problem, maybe it's not worth the effort to deal
with a supervisor/watchdog for xinetd.
Anyway, using a simple monitor for the website would never harm.
Here is an example of a one-liner which could be run as a cron job.

perl -MLWP::Simple -e 'unless (head("http://www.fossil-scm.org;))
{print "ALERT ME!\n;"}'

Best Regards,
Johan

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Re: [fossil-users] www.fossil-scm.org down?

2016-10-16 Thread Richard Hipp 
On 10/16/16, Johan Kuuse  wrote:
> El 16 oct. 2016 11:08, "Johan Kuuse"  escribió:
>
>> Are you running any supervisor process for xinetd?
>>
>> I used to run "daemontools" in the passed, worked quite well, but
>> nowadays, "runit" seems to be a common alternative.
>>
>> Or maybe you could just run a cron job for alerts, to keep the downtime
>> to
>> a minimum.

xinetd has never given trouble before...
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Re: [fossil-users] www.fossil-scm.org down?

2016-10-16 Thread Johan Kuuse 
El 16 oct. 2016 11:08, "Johan Kuuse"  escribió:

> Are you running any supervisor process for xinetd?
>
> I used to run "daemontools" in the passed, worked quite well, but
> nowadays, "runit" seems to be a common alternative.
>
> Or maybe you could just run a cron job for alerts, to keep the downtime to
> a minimum.
>
> BR,
> Johan
>
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