Re: [fossil-users] autosetup build issues

2012-02-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On 20/02/2012, at 11:16 AM, Jan Danielsson wrote:

> On 02/20/12 01:24, Richard Hipp wrote:
> [---]
>>>   The dynamic linking works, but unfortunately on these particular
>>> [Solaris]
>>> systems I want static linking. :)
>> 
>> I agree that static linking is nice.  Unfortunately, the Solaris developers
>> of Sun and now Oracle disagree.
> [---]
> 
>   It seems I'm in an uphill struggle; even more so than I initially
> thought. I won't put any more work into the static linking then, as I
> suspect I'm a corner case.
> 
>   Anywho, my primary concern was getting OpenSSL statically linked into
> fossil -- and using a slightly modified version of the final link
> command line I got what I wanted. And if anyone else needs/wants it, the
> information is easily found via a web search.

That works for me. I don't think it is worth it to try to make this work
out of the box.

Cheers,
Steve

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Re: [fossil-users] autosetup build issues

2012-02-19 Thread Jan Danielsson
On 02/20/12 01:24, Richard Hipp wrote:
[---]
>>The dynamic linking works, but unfortunately on these particular
>> [Solaris]
>> systems I want static linking. :)
> 
> I agree that static linking is nice.  Unfortunately, the Solaris developers
> of Sun and now Oracle disagree.
[---]

   It seems I'm in an uphill struggle; even more so than I initially
thought. I won't put any more work into the static linking then, as I
suspect I'm a corner case.

   Anywho, my primary concern was getting OpenSSL statically linked into
fossil -- and using a slightly modified version of the final link
command line I got what I wanted. And if anyone else needs/wants it, the
information is easily found via a web search.

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Kind regards,
Jan Danielsson

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Re: [fossil-users] autosetup build issues

2012-02-19 Thread Richard Hipp
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Jan Danielsson
wrote:

>
> > Can we address the dynamic configure/build issues, and then possibly
> > revisit static linking?
>
>The dynamic linking works, but unfortunately on these particular
> [Solaris]
> systems I want static linking. :)
>


I agree that static linking is nice.  Unfortunately, the Solaris developers
of Sun and now Oracle disagree.

Hal Pomeranz at http://www.deer-run.com/~hal/sol-static.txt writes
that "Solaris
has historically made it difficult to statically compile "interesting"
binaries."

Beginning with Solaris 10, static linking is not just difficult, it has
become impossible.  See
https://blogs.oracle.com/rie/entry/static_linking_where_did_it for details.


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Re: [fossil-users] autosetup build issues

2012-02-19 Thread Jan Danielsson
On 02/19/12 23:28, Steve Bennett wrote:
>>   For the record (in case someone finds this via a web search): I think
>> there's something odd about the openssl detection. I had built openssl
>> without the "shared" option (so I only had the shared libraries). But
> 
> Building without "shared" meant you only had the shared libraries??

   Oops; I meant I only had "static" libraries. Sorry for the confusion.

>> even with "configure --static" (in fossil), I ran into linking problems.
>> Building openssl with the "shared" option made those problems go away. I
>> haven't looked into it more closely, as the workaround is trivial, and I
>> think most people will have the shared libraries laying around anyway.
> With the fix I sent earlier, does openssl detection work properly?

   It started working once I had built the dynamic OpenSSL libraries.
That's what I thought felt odd -- the detection seemed to fail to find
the OpenSSL static libs, even though "--static" was passed.

[---]
> How about forget about static linking and just use dynamic linking?

   Oh, I got dynamic linking working yesterday; that's not a problem --
but as I wrote in my other mail, I'm specifically looking to dynamically
link (more specifically: with OpenSSL).

   (I stress that this is not something I'm doing to torture myself, I'm
using a network of several Solaris systems, and I want to be able to
build one fossil binary and move it around; so there's a practical
reason for my battle with static builds on Solaris).

> Can we address the dynamic configure/build issues, and then possibly
> revisit static linking?

   The dynamic linking works, but unfortunately on these particular
systems I want static linking. :)

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Re: [fossil-users] autosetup build issues

2012-02-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On 19/02/2012, at 1:44 PM, Jan Danielsson wrote:

> Hello,
> 
>   I've been trying to get fossil to build using the auto-configurator
> on Solaris/sparc 9, and have encountered some minor bumps in the road.
> 
>   For the record (in case someone finds this via a web search): I think
> there's something odd about the openssl detection. I had built openssl
> without the "shared" option (so I only had the shared libraries). But

Building without "shared" meant you only had the shared libraries??

> even with "configure --static" (in fossil), I ran into linking problems.
> Building openssl with the "shared" option made those problems go away. I
> haven't looked into it more closely, as the workaround is trivial, and I
> think most people will have the shared libraries laying around anyway.

With the fix I sent earlier, does openssl detection work properly?

> 
>   Now there are just two issues remaining, and unfortunately I'm not
> quite sure what to do about them.
> 
>   1) The SunStudio compiler doesn't support -static; it uses -Bstatic
> and -Bdynamic.
> 
>   2) While zlib is a system library on Solaris 9, it doesn't appear to
> have libz.a (only libz.so). This means that the final link line needs to
> look something like this:
> 
>   [...] -Bdynamic -L/opt/openssl-1.0.0g/lib -lz -ldl -Bstatic -lssl
> -lcrypto -lnsl -lsocket
> 
> 
>   My Tcl-Fu is painfully limited and hence I understand near-zero of
> autosetup, but as far as I can gather the current autosetup/auto.def
> isn't really designed to handle compiler differences and mix static and
> dynamic linking?
> 
>   What I would like to do:
> 
>   1) Add compiler detection (In this case: find sunstudio, default to
> whatever gcc does)
> 
>   2) Set dynamic/static link flags (-static vs -Bstatic, etc) depending
> on compiler
> 
>   3) Introduce a DLIBS which will unconditionally be dynamically
> linked, regardless of whether --static is used or not.

How about forget about static linking and just use dynamic linking?
Even on Linux, static linking is a bit of a minefield.

Can we address the dynamic configure/build issues, and then possibly
revisit static linking?

Cheers,
Steve

> 
>   I realize there's something conceptually very wrong about dynamically
> linking when it was explicitly requested by the users that static
> linking be used. At the same time, the way I look at it, the project
> should build and run on standard OS installations, with as few separate
> dependencies as possible.
> 
>   Input is welcome.
> 
> -- 
> Kind regards,
> Jan Danielsson
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