[Foundation-l] Heads up: Usability test recruiting underway
One of the important components of the usability initiative is to conduct multiple rounds of usability tests. The plan is to conduct at least three rounds of tests for qualitative usability evaluation over the span of twelve months, i) the initial evaluation, ii) the progress evaluation, and iii) the final evaluation. The initial usability test is scheduled on March 24, 25th and 26th. In-person lab tests are conducted in San Francisco at the first two days, and remote tests will be conducted on the third day. As a preparation for the initial usability test, we incorporated the recruiting tool into English Wikipedia's site notice. You might have encountered site notice inviting for the participation. The target audience of testers are Wikipedia readers who have little or no experience in editing the Wikipedia articles. The banner is displayed within the range of 1:400 to 1:100 page views, and it will continue till early next week. We look forward to learning from the usability tests and sharing the result with you. Thanks. Naoko ... on behalf of the usability team. -- Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -- Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Request for your input: biographies of living people
Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > My English is considered to be quite good. I have not learned any new words > and I do not mind to have an occassional word. For me this was excessive and > it stopped my reading and my interest. > Thanks, > Gerard > > PS David, what was you first language again ? > > > David was not the one to introduce the words into the discussion; that was done by a native Finnish speaker, a language more distantly removed from English than Dutch. Since that person was responding to my comments, I was up to the challenge. I even confess that I had to look up the one with two plurals just to make sure I understood it correctly Ec ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Request for your input: biographies of living people
This line of reasoning will end now. I am sick of seeing rants, tirades, and personal attacks in my inbox. We have to improve our BLP policies, your sniping is not helping that. From: Anthony To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 7:48:42 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Request for your input: biographies of living people I think we need to ban anyone with "Gerard" in their (first or last) name. I certainly wish it were possible to filter out such emails without deleting them completely. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, John at Darkstar wrote: > Please stop this. > John > > Gerard Meijssen skrev: > > Hoi, > > My English is considered to be quite good. I have not learned any new > words > > and I do not mind to have an occassional word. For me this was excessive > and > > it stopped my reading and my interest. > > Thanks, > > Gerard > > > > PS David, what was you first language again ? > > > > > > 2009/3/5 David Gerard > > > >> 2009/3/5 Gerard Meijssen : > >> > >>> It is not that I am not able to look up words in a dictionary.. When an > >>> excess of dificult word is used, the message is lost. > >> > >> None of these were excessively difficult, and now you know more English > >> words. > >> > >> > >> - d. > >> > >> ___ > >> foundation-l mailing list > >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > >> > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Academic article review
Pharos wrote: > In contrast, Wikipedia's coverage of the humanities is often inferior > to the better print encyclopedias, and even with very basic subjects. > This is perhaps because the humanities lend themselves less to easy > summary, as there is usually a great variety of scholarly opinion on > basic subjects, unlike in science. > > The Tribe article is here typical: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe > Not that I necessarily disagree with your conclusions, but I wouldn't cite "Tribe" as a "typical" subject in the humanities, as it's more in the realm of the social sciences. --Michael Snow ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Request for your input: biographies of living people
I think we need to ban anyone with "Gerard" in their (first or last) name. I certainly wish it were possible to filter out such emails without deleting them completely. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, John at Darkstar wrote: > Please stop this. > John > > Gerard Meijssen skrev: > > Hoi, > > My English is considered to be quite good. I have not learned any new > words > > and I do not mind to have an occassional word. For me this was excessive > and > > it stopped my reading and my interest. > > Thanks, > > Gerard > > > > PS David, what was you first language again ? > > > > > > 2009/3/5 David Gerard > > > >> 2009/3/5 Gerard Meijssen : > >> > >>> It is not that I am not able to look up words in a dictionary.. When an > >>> excess of dificult word is used, the message is lost. > >> > >> None of these were excessively difficult, and now you know more English > >> words. > >> > >> > >> - d. > >> > >> ___ > >> foundation-l mailing list > >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > >> > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Request for your input: biographies of living people
Please stop this. John Gerard Meijssen skrev: > Hoi, > My English is considered to be quite good. I have not learned any new words > and I do not mind to have an occassional word. For me this was excessive and > it stopped my reading and my interest. > Thanks, > Gerard > > PS David, what was you first language again ? > > > 2009/3/5 David Gerard > >> 2009/3/5 Gerard Meijssen : >> >>> It is not that I am not able to look up words in a dictionary.. When an >>> excess of dificult word is used, the message is lost. >> >> None of these were excessively difficult, and now you know more English >> words. >> >> >> - d. >> >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Request for your input: biographies of living people
2009/3/5 Gerard Meijssen : > My English is considered to be quite good. I have not learned any new words > and I do not mind to have an occassional word. For me this was excessive and > it stopped my reading and my interest. You didn't notice your original response was to someone whose first language wasn't English either? - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Academic article review
Well, one has to adopt a relative perspective. My experience has been that, although certainly there is room for expansion in scientific articles on specialty topics, Wikipedia already has much better coverage of science than any print encyclopedias, and most basic scientific subjects are treated fairly completely. The Evolution article is here typical: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution In contrast, Wikipedia's coverage of the humanities is often inferior to the better print encyclopedias, and even with very basic subjects. This is perhaps because the humanities lend themselves less to easy summary, as there is usually a great variety of scholarly opinion on basic subjects, unlike in science. The Tribe article is here typical: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe So I think particularly for basic humanities subjects (which are very important to many of our readers), a pure review process by academic experts would be of great value, and help to indirectly guide the contributors to such articles along more productive paths. Thanks, Pharos On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: >> But I do not believe that experts should have any special powers in >> the editing of articles. >> >> Rather, I think they should be encouraged to act in a pure review >> capacity, assessing the existing work of Wikipedians, and making >> recommendations for improvement. This might also be partially >> implemented through flagged revs, and I could also envision a type of >> button at the top of articles that says "see last version assessed by >> an expert". >> > > My point is actually that for majority of articles on science-ralated (and > possibly some article on humanity-related, here I understand the situation > less) there is nothing to review - they are either stubs or non-existent. > Somebody needs to write them. You can consider this as a kind of review if > you wish. > > Cheers > Yaroslav > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Difficult words. was: Re: Request for your input: biographies of living people
David, please consider that English is not the native language of everybody. I took a lot of effort to learn your language, it would be appropriate if you would try from your side to make it more easy for non natives to understand you. Instead of mocking about GerardM's English, please do the following: - use a common word instead of a difficult one, if it exists - make no jokes or ironic references that require a specific national background to understand - be as short as possible to express your message Nothing that cannot be asked from a good Wikipedian, isn't it? :-) Ziko 2009/3/5 David Gerard > 2009/3/5 Gerard Meijssen : > > > It is not that I am not able to look up words in a dictionary.. When an > > excess of dificult word is used, the message is lost. > > > None of these were excessively difficult, and now you know more English > words. > > > - d. > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- Ziko van Dijk NL-Silvolde ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Request for your input: biographies of living people
> 2009/3/5 Gerard Meijssen : > >> It is not that I am not able to look up words in a dictionary.. When an >> excess of dificult word is used, the message is lost. on 3/5/09 6:02 AM, David Gerard at dger...@gmail.com wrote: > > None of these were excessively difficult, Yes, perhaps they were, David - to him. > and now you know more English words. C'mon, David :-( Marc Riddell ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Request for your input: biographies of living people
Hoi, My English is considered to be quite good. I have not learned any new words and I do not mind to have an occassional word. For me this was excessive and it stopped my reading and my interest. Thanks, Gerard PS David, what was you first language again ? 2009/3/5 David Gerard > 2009/3/5 Gerard Meijssen : > > > It is not that I am not able to look up words in a dictionary.. When an > > excess of dificult word is used, the message is lost. > > > None of these were excessively difficult, and now you know more English > words. > > > - d. > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Request for your input: biographies of living people
2009/3/5 Gerard Meijssen : > It is not that I am not able to look up words in a dictionary.. When an > excess of dificult word is used, the message is lost. None of these were excessively difficult, and now you know more English words. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Request for your input: biographies of living people
Hoi, It is not that I am not able to look up words in a dictionary.. When an excess of dificult word is used, the message is lost. Thanks, GerardM 2009/3/4 quiddity > http://www.onelook.com/?w=encomium "a formal expression of praise" > http://www.onelook.com/?w=hagiography "a biography that idealizes or > idolizes the person (especially a person who is a saint)" > http://www.onelook.com/?w=saccharine "overly sweet" > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: > > Hoi, > > What is: > > * encomium > > * hagiographical > > * saccharine sentiment > > > > PS You lost me. > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > 2009/3/3 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen > > > >> > >> While I find it impossible to disagree with your characterization > >> of the current situation in any depth, and for sentimental reasons > >> don't wish to engage teh view expressed by Jimmy Wales above > >> your reply; I am bound to note that this state of affairs does > >> present a certain historical irony, in that "Criticism and controversy" > >> sections did not originate as a way of "starting" a biasing against > >> a person whom the article was about, but as a way of keeping the > >> main body of the biographical wholly hagiographical, and all the > >> seamy sides being able to be rebutted in the "controversy" section, > >> with none of the encomiums and even the worst saccharine > >> sentiments in the hagiographical portion challenged at all > >> by even the gentlest critical glance. "Yes, we won't be removing > >> that sourced information, just moving it out of the way of the main > >> flow of our sweet article about this wonderful person." > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
