Re: [Foundation-l] A heads up
If I understand you correctly this is a term base with fixed terms used to describe the images. Such term bases are very common in archives, and often they are standardized. Often it is possible to translate between two sets of terms, that is some terms will match with our categories, but if this is not possible it is better to be able to search the terms as they are. If the terms are in Dutch they will not be available for searching in the language of choice for the most users. There will be a very moderate a mouth of work to run the term base through Google translate and manually check the result, and then make a script to translate the term base into alternate languages. This will greatly extend the availability of the images. It is not unlikely the term base already relates to some other public term base, perhaps it is a good idea to check it out. It would anyhow be interesting to make provisions to map term bases from Dublin Core and IPTC, probably also others, as an integral part of Commons. John Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, Why should the term base be translated ? Is it not more important to be gained by getting all this material in the public domain ?? I do however agree with you. All the material that is about Indonesia should be translated to Indonesian. For them it is very much the opening up of material that is part of their cultural history. Translating it into English does not make it easier for Indonesians to find this material. Thanks, GerardM 2009/7/15 John at Darkstar vac...@jeb.no At least the term base should be translated. John Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, I have been in discussion with the Tropenmuseum in Amsterdam about making their material available on Commons. The Tropenmuseum has an important collection on the colonial past of the Netherlands and contains a rich collection on Suriname and Indonesia. The initial talks are about 100.000 images. The annotations of this material is all in Dutch. It will come with unique identifiers back to the physical object in the Tropenmuseum and it will come with the termbase for the images; this termbase is as I understand it the equivalent of our categories. Some of the material has a partial translation in English and, this can be provided to us as well. The key issue I want to raise is that there are hundreds of museums in the Netherlands, Belgium and Suriname all using Dutch there are more museums in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Lichtenstein who speak German While we aim to improve our front end to allow for easy uploads, we do not provide language support. Language support will help people find pictures in their language and will help the matching of categories into other languages. Thanks, GerardM ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] A heads up
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Gerard Meijssengerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, OK, there are *many* pictures of a marc'h on Commons... Now pretend that you cannot find what this is in English. Try to find it on Commons. Noone disputes that this is a problem. And if we had an unlimited number of volunteers fluent in all languages adding descriptions to images, it would easily be fixed. But if that were the case, we wouldn't have this discussion in the first place. Image descriptions are, first and foremost, limited by the languages a user (who is willing to write these descriptions) speaks. Of all these languages, the user will (if he has time and ability to write one or two descriptions) chose maybe his native one, and the one that will be useful for most people - English. (And yes, more people speak Chinese, but few Commons editors do). Once again, ugly reality triumphs over wishful thinking. At least until we can get some 10K Indonesian-speaking editors. Magnus ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] A heads up
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Magnus Manskemagnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Gerard Meijssengerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, OK, there are *many* pictures of a marc'h on Commons... Now pretend that you cannot find what this is in English. Try to find it on Commons. Noone disputes that this is a problem. And if we had an unlimited number of volunteers fluent in all languages adding descriptions to images, it would easily be fixed. But if that were the case, we wouldn't have this discussion in the first place. Image descriptions are, first and foremost, limited by the languages a user (who is willing to write these descriptions) speaks. Of all these languages, the user will (if he has time and ability to write one or two descriptions) chose maybe his native one, and the one that will be useful for most people - English. (And yes, more people speak Chinese, but few Commons editors do). [snip] I have tried to advance the idea that some amount of description translations should be a requirement for featured/quality images on commons (also geocoding, as applicable and possible), with the notion that providing great metadata is part of what commons offers at it's best and that we'll get more translations if we make sure our high profile images have them (ModelBehavior). Sadly, no one else has seemed to like the idea. I've made sure that descriptions are provided in multiple languages on my own featured images, for example http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ferrofluid_large_spikes.jpg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Meadow Mari Wikipedia
I am glad to see that opening of Meadow Mari Wikipedia at right time matters: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMilloshdiff=1556460oldid=1540013 I'll ask Sai to write something about their event here. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Meadow Mari Wikipedia
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: First, I want to thank to Tim who created the project [1] today. Tomorrow is the main cultural event for Meadow Maris and they will have Wikipedia for that day. Because of that, I asked the Board and WMF tech staff to create the project more quickly than usually. [1] - http://mhr.wikipedia.org/ I don't want to spoil the fun, but I still get a Wiki does not exist message on that URL. -- André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Meadow Mari Wikipedia
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Andre Engelsandreeng...@gmail.com wrote: I don't want to spoil the fun, but I still get a Wiki does not exist message on that URL. Ah, bad Tim. He opened it just for me ;) I think that it is a DNS problem. It is working for me since Tim resolved the bug. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Meadow Mari Wikipedia
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Andre Engelsandreeng...@gmail.com wrote: I don't want to spoil the fun, but I still get a Wiki does not exist message on that URL. Ah, bad Tim. He opened it just for me ;) I think that it is a DNS problem. It is working for me since Tim resolved the bug. It is working for me now. No idea whether that is because something has changed in the meantime (DNS might well be the reason, it's not uncommon for that to take a few hours to settle) or because I am now using another internet connection. -- André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] A heads up
2009/7/16 Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com:
Making many languages available is a good thing, but formatting the
page to highlight a user declared preference would usually also be a
good thing.
Agreed. I have recently prepared a simple JS script to hide other
languages in the {{Picture of the day}} template. (You can test it at
e.g.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Neutrophil_with_anthrax_copy.jpgwithJS=MediaWiki:Collapse-Potd.js
– I plan to move it to Common.js soon, if no problems are reported.) I
believe similar behavior should be introduced to many other templates.
Obviously, in a perfect world, this would be a built-in behaviour of
MediaWiki, but unfortunately, I don’t think it is really feasible in a
foreseeable future…
-- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]]
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Re: [Foundation-l] A heads up
Hoi, The most important part of the multi lingual problem is not in the description but is in finding a picture of a subject. It means that we have to have a functional and searchable termbase. The key to enabling the use of Commons is help in finding pictures on a subject. This does not need much translation effort because you need to add the word Pferd only once. Thanks, GerardM 2009/7/16 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Gerard Meijssengerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, OK, there are *many* pictures of a marc'h on Commons... Now pretend that you cannot find what this is in English. Try to find it on Commons. Noone disputes that this is a problem. And if we had an unlimited number of volunteers fluent in all languages adding descriptions to images, it would easily be fixed. But if that were the case, we wouldn't have this discussion in the first place. Image descriptions are, first and foremost, limited by the languages a user (who is willing to write these descriptions) speaks. Of all these languages, the user will (if he has time and ability to write one or two descriptions) chose maybe his native one, and the one that will be useful for most people - English. (And yes, more people speak Chinese, but few Commons editors do). Once again, ugly reality triumphs over wishful thinking. At least until we can get some 10K Indonesian-speaking editors. Magnus ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] flagged revisions
Hi all,
It's been almost a month since the last post in this 'flagged revisions'
thread (sincere apologies if I've failed to find discussion which has no
doubt been occurring on lists and wikis everywhere!) - I wanted to ask for
an update from the folk at the coalface working on getting flagged revisions
ready for the english wikipedia.
There's a growing perception over at the english wiki that there is
technical programming work still outstanding in order for the flagged
revisions extension to be enabled - this is somewhat at odds with my
previous understanding that in fact, the code was ready. I think it is
becoming rather important for us to be very clear about the status quo.
(for example see jimbo's comments;
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Advisory_Council_on_Project_Development/Forumdiff=prevoldid=302095508and
ensuing discussion about whether or not more programmers would be
helpful :-)
It would be great from my perspective to answer the following questions;
- Who will 'make the call' to switch flagged revisions on for the english
wikipedia - Brion? another developer? foundation staff?
- Is there any more technical programming outstanding to complete the
extension?
- Does the team / person responsible for completing this work feel
adequetely resourced? - is there any more the community or foundation can do
to expedite?
If foundation staff, and not the technical team, are delaying the activation
of this extention, perhaps for PR reasons to co-incide WIkimania and Flagged
Revisions, then to a degree I understand - I do however feel that the
english community would appreciate this information - in many ways it's a
volatile time amongst the en editors ('ain't it always!), so openess and
transparency become even more important!
best regards,
Peter,
PM.
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