[Foundation-l] Board elections email adding insult to injury
I have just received an email that I am elligable to vote in the board elections. While I am inelligeble as I am blocked on the nl.wikipedia since 3 months already. This ads insult to injury. As I was blocked on request of a sockpupeteer whom is now blocked himself together with multiple other accounts. As 3 months ago the arbcom said it accepted the case regarding my block. The blocking mod did it without community consensus and is a part of the arbcom himself (which explains why it is taking them 3 months already) In every case the Dutch arbcom emails the person and asks them for their side of the story. In 3 months NO member of the Dutch arbcom has even bothered to mail me. They have only asked their blocking fellow arbcom member for a statement!! How do you mean this is rigging things? My block was doubled because when checking another account it was claimed it was me while it wasn't obviously 500.000 Thai internetters behind the same IP range will give problems and any Thai IP seems to be me in the logic of the mods. According to the wikimedia foundations rules someone whom is blocked is not allowed to vote. So why I was send this mail it bothers me. It is insulting me on top of this block about nothing as I never performed vandalism or endangered the encyclopedia. I merely pointed out that one of the anonymous moderators in reality is not whom he claims he is and is writing articles about himself and familymembers. This while he is blocking other people who do the same and have the honesty to admit it. And is also aggressively pursuing this stance on the deletion lists. Thus this mod is a hypocrite, doing what he haunts others for. But me telling this to the community was a blockable offence it seems. Waerth ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections email adding insult to injury
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Waerth wae...@asianet.co.th wrote: According to the wikimedia foundations rules someone whom is blocked is not allowed to vote. You are not eligible to vote on nlwp, but on other wikis you may be eligible, so that is why you received the email I guess? [[User:Bencmq]] -- Without friends no one would choose to live, though he had all other goods. ~ Aristotle ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections email adding insult to injury
Chen Minqi wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Waerth wae...@asianet.co.th wrote: According to the wikimedia foundations rules someone whom is blocked is not allowed to vote. You are not eligible to vote on nlwp, but on other wikis you may be eligible, so that is why you received the email I guess? Nope because I wouldn't qualify according to other subrules W ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Milos Rancic wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Casey Brownli...@caseybrown.org wrote: Bot accounts will probably be excluded in the future, since they are explicitly not allowed to vote. I think that it shouldn't be so complicated to do one sort -u over emails. As I said, some of my bots don't have bot flags and because of that they can't be treated as bots automatically. However, I am using just one email address for all of them. Probably, there is number of similar cases with well intentioned sock-puppet owners. Just out of interest, how many such email did you get last year because I'm sure I only (try to) send one email to each email address (that hadn't voted already). KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine PGP.sig Description: PGP signature ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Milos Rancic wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Kwan Ting Chank...@ktchan.info wrote: Just out of interest, how many such email did you get last year because I'm sure I only (try to) send one email to each email address (that hadn't voted already). * One email to myself (mill...@gmail.com). I voted first day and a couple of days ago once more [with the same account, of course :] ]. * One email to my main bot account Millbot to another/old email address (mill...@users.sourceforge.net). This bot has global account and bot flag on at least a couple of Wikinews editions (it maintains [[Template:Statistics]] there). * One email to my Wikinews bot Millbot-Beta, which email is mill...@gmail.com, too. It doesn't have bot flag. *Point to last year from original message* ;-) I wasn't responsible for this year email, but was last year. KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine PGP.sig Description: PGP signature ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: I already voted when I got my email, and I didn't think it was spam. I smiled at the fact that Wikimedia is making sure everyone who can vote has the opportunity. Indeed. I had already voted, and got an email, but I'm not going to do any complaining. It's one email, for Pete's sake. That said, I have seen some good suggestions in this thread, that might be helpful for next year: - Consider excluding accounts that have already voted, or sending them a different email. - Consider excluding bot accounts - If possible, try to get these out a bit sooner. I know it's hard. Either way, thanks are due to those who handled this. So, thank you. -Luna ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Lunalunasan...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed. I had already voted, and got an email, but I'm not going to do any complaining. It's one email, for Pete's sake. The irony is that those who dislike having received an email about the election have now received about 30 more due to reporting this issue. OK, *ideally* an email wouldn't be sent to those who have already voted. But it's really not as if Wikimedia is a persistent spammer. I'd let it slide. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: OK, *ideally* an email wouldn't be sent to those who have already voted. But it's really not as if Wikimedia is a persistent spammer. I'd let it slide. Yeah, that's about where I sit on it. :) I wouldn't have said anything, if it weren't already under discussion -- I didn't mind it one bit. While I am tabulating suggestions, looks like one decent idea got lost in another thread, forked from this one: - Consider excluding blocked accounts from the email list. -Luna ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Fwd: Translatewiki newsletter - A new translation rally has begun
Hoi, Siebrand send this e-mail to the contributors to translatewiki.net. As localisation is an integral part to our success, I forward this to you. Those who already contribute to our localisation I thank and those who are capable of supporting MediaWiki by helping in the localisation effort I urge to lend a hand. In the end this is a rally intended to help us provide a better service to our readers and editors. Thanks, GerardM -- Forwarded message -- From: Translatewiki.net staff translatew...@xs4all.nl Date: 2009/8/9 Subject: Translatewiki newsletter - A new translation rally has begun To: gerard.meijssen Hello, dear translatewiki.net user. This is our e-mail newsletter for August 2009. It intends to keep you updated on translatewiki.net's developments, and is also aimed at reminding you to visit http://translatewiki.net at least once every month to update the language(s) you have been contributing to in the past, so that the localisations will stay up to date. Because our shortage of staff time, it has been 6 months since we have sent out our last newsletter. We hope to make it worth your while :) Translation Rally: Contribute 500 MediaWiki translations and share in 1,000 Euro! In the last week of 2008 we had our first translation rallyhttp://wiki/Translating:Language_project/500claim. All translators that would contribute more than 500 translations to MediaWiki would share the 1,000 Euro bounty. To our astonishment 35 users managed to reach this milestone. Sponsored by Stichting Open Progress http://openprogress.org, with a grant from Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland http://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mainpage's International Projects fund, we are able to have another translation rallyhttp://wiki/Project:Rally-2009-08with about the same conditions. The Translation Rally has already started and will run until 18 August 2009 24:00 UTC. See the project page for details. Other News Niklas Laxström http://wiki/User:Nike (aka Nikerabbit), founder of translatewiki.net, has entered into the Google Summer of Code 2009http://code.google.com/soc/program and has already been making many improvements http://wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009/schedule to the MediaWiki Translate extension. We are very much looking forward to no longer having to open new tabs to edit messages, for example. Translatewiki.net staff remains being most committed to the site's translators. We welcome feedback about this newsletter. Please let us know by sending a reply to this mail. We will try to accommodate your wishes. Siebrand Mazeland Translatewiki.net staff -- You are one of over 1,500 people receiving this e-mail because you have registered with http://translatewiki.net, the wiki localisation platform for translation communities, language communities, and open source projects. This newsletter will be sent at most once every month. You can opt-out by visiting translatewiki.net, logging in, and checking the box 'Do not send me e-mail newsletters' at the bottom of the tab 'User Profile' in your preferences - although we hope you will not. If you have multiple accounts with the same e-mail address, you have to opt-out for all of them. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Geoffrey Plourde wrote: Although I had already voted, I was not bothered by one tiny email reminding me that I was eligible to vote. Thanks guys, hopefully this will get people to the polls. It didn't bother me either even though it came after I voted. As far as spam goes this was softball, and it's impossible to screen out to the extent that some people want. I only received the message once, but considerably more messages complaining about it. Ec ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
2009/8/9 Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net: Geoffrey Plourde wrote: Although I had already voted, I was not bothered by one tiny email reminding me that I was eligible to vote. Thanks guys, hopefully this will get people to the polls. It didn't bother me either even though it came after I voted. As far as spam goes this was softball, and it's impossible to screen out to the extent that some people want. I only received the message once, but considerably more messages complaining about it. And even more messages like the one you just sent that add absolutely nothing to the conversation and just say me too. It is not impossible to remove people who have already voted from the list of people to be reminded, it has been done in previous years. Why wasn't all this planned in advance? There should have been a timetable with a specific date on which an email would be sent out and there should have been a specific earlier date at which the mailing list would be completed by. (People that voted inbetween those dates may get a redundant email, a line should be added to the end apologising for that.) These elections have been run several times before, basic stuff like sending out emails shouldn't be cobbled together at the last minute. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split
High Priest of Mediawiki? From: Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 5:59:14 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split Somehow I'm not disappointed that we're having a problem trying to find a title to describe how incredibly awesome Brion is. Congrats. -Dan On Aug 8, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Jim Redmond wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 19:32, Kat Walsh mindspill...@gmail.com wrote: Or you could have two sets of business cards. :-) And here I was going to suggest a slashed title: Senior Software Architect/Lead Hacker. (Maybe Senior Software Architect/ Sourceror if he's the eighth son of an eighth son.) Congratulations on doing the job of two, Brion. I hope we find a good CTO to handle the management side for you. -- Jim Redmond [[User:Jredmond]] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Ombudsman commission
The issue is still unresolved. de:User:Mautpreller, who filed the original complaint, just affirmed that there is still no answer. See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Checkuser/Anfragen#Ombudskommission So, just doing nothing may be a way of telling de:User:Mautpreller that his complaint is considered pointless, but this method of (non-)communication seems out of place for complaints regarding such a central topic as the privacy policy. Regards, Peter *:User:Pjacobi ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections email adding insult to injury
Maybe this is related? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum#Unable_to_vote_in_trustees_election I don't want to seem rude, as I'm sure it's difficult and I understand the election committee are volunteers, but why is it that things seem to be going wrong this year? -- Alex (User:Majorly) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Ombudsman commission
2009/8/9 Peter Jacobi pjacobi...@googlemail.com: The issue is still unresolved. de:User:Mautpreller, who filed the original complaint, just affirmed that there is still no answer. See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Checkuser/Anfragen#Ombudskommission So, just doing nothing may be a way of telling de:User:Mautpreller that his complaint is considered pointless, but this method of (non-)communication seems out of place for complaints regarding such a central topic as the privacy policy. Regards, Peter *:User:Pjacobi ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l I am taking care of it but, i'm sorry, I took the case up only two weeks ago. I have a job wich takes me a lot of time and german is not my native language. So any answers won't just pop up. I'll do as quick as I can to issue an answer. All the best, -- Christophe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 01:43, George Herbertgeorge.herb...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect you're going to have to be prepared to do a lot of internal discovery and discovery with potential hires to show them the web ops side - it's not well documented now (I keep meaning to find out more about the ops team and finding I have no time to join the IRC channel 24x7 ;-P ). The team seems to function well - servers seem decently stable - but it's not clear to me if the process and documentation is up to industry standards for large website operations. At some point tribal knowledge has to yield to documentation and process and organizational knowledge. I have a question on this for the tech team: as a rule, do you have a high turnover of volunteers on the sysadmin rather than the dev side, or has it remained mainly constant over the past few years? Considering the future, better documentation (assuming you don't already have such things privately) would be no bad thing. The rest of Wikimedia and our projects have extensive procedural documentation because while there are old-timers around, there are also people who have less time to give and move around between activities, which has both advantages and disadvantages within a largely volunteer organisation such as ours. S -- Sean Whitton / s...@silentflame.com OpenPGP KeyID: 0x25F4EAB7 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Geoffrey Plourdegeo.p...@yahoo.com wrote: High Priest of Mediawiki? I propose robes as his official outfit, similar to this: http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/index.shtml Magnus ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections email adding insult to injury
Hoi, The things that go wrong are not necessarily the same things that go wrong. Yes things go wrong.. There are more things that could and should have gone differently... Nobody heard the Wikivoices interviews with many of the candidates for instance. Sadly it did not materialise but it could have made a difference for many voters. I participated because of the potential of it. Yes, the mails went out late and extra work will be needed to weed out the bots BUT when more people voted as a result, when everyone was approached who was eligible to vote it has been a good thing. To the people who considered the invitation to vote SPAM, I have one message, you can opt out and if that is not good enough, tough. Thanks, GerardM 2009/8/9 Al Tally majorly.w...@googlemail.com Maybe this is related? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum#Unable_to_vote_in_trustees_election I don't want to seem rude, as I'm sure it's difficult and I understand the election committee are volunteers, but why is it that things seem to be going wrong this year? -- Alex (User:Majorly) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Thomas, On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I have just received an email telling me I am eligible to vote in the board elections when I have already voted. Please don't send untargetted mass emails - they are spam. You think nothing of routinely filling up all of the list subscribers' inboxes with your opinions, as the top poster on Foundation-l.* But you are complaining here about one email, sent specifically to active and thus presumably interested members of Wikimedia projects reminding them about a single, important election? I find complaints about this being spam -- as if you can't handle one extra email about Wikimedia, when you clearly manage to get through hundreds of much less important missives on the mailing lists on a regular basis -- pretty mindblowingly hypocritical. On a general note, I for one greatly appreciate the Election Committee's efforts to get wide community participation in the Board elections**, even if the mailing could have gone more smoothly. On an even more general note, the constructive part of this conversation -- i.e. planning for the next election, and pointing out things to do next time -- is great. Where's the best place for posting next-time suggestions from this thread? Elections talk?*** -- phoebe * http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-February/050149.html ** Despite the election's importance, turnout is so far pretty pathetic, esp. from smaller wikis. *** http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Board_elections -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split
Hi! I have a question on this for the tech team: as a rule, do you have a high turnover of volunteers on the sysadmin ... turn-what? Jens is building a house or something, if that was your question. Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.comwrote: Hi! I have a question on this for the tech team: as a rule, do you have a high turnover of volunteers on the sysadmin ... turn-what? Jens is building a house or something, if that was your question. Domas A high turnover rate would indicate a lot of people joining and leaving, instead of long-term volunteers. -- Alex (User:Majorly) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections email adding insult to injury
On Aug 9, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: Al Tally wrote: I don't want to seem rude, as I'm sure it's difficult and I understand the election committee are volunteers, but why is it that things seem to be going wrong this year? Things started going wrong when the election committee didn't organize itself in time. It knew more than a year ago that one or more individuals would need to be elected this year. It knew when Wikimania would be held (the latest dates ever). Because of the late Wikimania, following last year's timetable would have given them even more time to get it together than last year. It would not have needed to foreshorten the voting period. What it needs to do soon is to establish a firm timetable for future elections. With no elections scheduled for two years this should not be difficult. There is even plenty of time to do this earlier to be able to deal with any vacancy that may arise. Ec I agree. I also suggest that the committee may be too small. There are simply a huge number of details involved, and a larger committee may be a better system. Philippe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split
A high turnover rate would indicate a lot of people joining and leaving, instead of long-term volunteers. ah! that! no, site is operated by same people as five years ago (with brilliant exception of search), few people left during that time, because of various reasons. some volunteers are not volunteers anymore though, being on foundation payroll. unfortunately, being 'sysadmin' of such site is more about running around with debugger, profiler and compiler, rather than conventional systems administration, and it is somewhat difficult to get people to volunteer to do that (and certain things as full automatization of cluster management are quite big projects, that require years of experience and attention to detail). Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Thomas, On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I have just received an email telling me I am eligible to vote in the board elections when I have already voted. Please don't send untargetted mass emails - they are spam. on 8/9/09 5:15 PM, phoebe ayers at phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: You think nothing of routinely filling up all of the list subscribers' inboxes with your opinions, as the top poster on Foundation-l.* But you are complaining here about one email, sent specifically to active and thus presumably interested members of Wikimedia projects reminding them about a single, important election? I find complaints about this being spam -- as if you can't handle one extra email about Wikimedia, when you clearly manage to get through hundreds of much less important missives on the mailing lists on a regular basis -- pretty mindblowingly hypocritical. Yes!! Thank you Phoebe. This comment was long overdue! Marc ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
On Aug 9, 2009, at 4:15 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: On a general note, I for one greatly appreciate the Election Committee's efforts to get wide community participation in the Board elections**, even if the mailing could have gone more smoothly. On an even more general note, the constructive part of this conversation -- i.e. planning for the next election, and pointing out things to do next time -- is great. Where's the best place for posting next-time suggestions from this thread? Elections talk?*** Thank you on behalf of the committee for your kind words. I've created a post-mortem topic at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Board_elections/2009#Post_mortem Philippe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Five pillars and 'WP:Consensus' in WP:NOT
Hi, The last time, I asked a question how to share WP:NOT idea among WP local projects. I really appreciate lots of informative feed backs. According to your replies, I confirmed that basically, officially, only requirement is that they follow the founding principles http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Founding_principles. 1. Neutral point of view as a guiding editorial principle, 2. The ability of anyone to edit (most) articles without registration, 3. The wiki process and discussion with other editors as the final decision-making mechanism for all content. 4. Free licensing of content; in practice defined by each project as public domain, GFDL, CC-BY-SA or CC-BY. 5. Maintaining room for fiat to help resolve particularly difficult problems. By convention, Jimbo Wales and later Arbitration Committees retain certain authority on the English Wikipedia (and other wikis set up similar frameworks) — to make binding, final decisions such as banning an editor. At the same time, I see (in english WP) Wikipedia:Five pillars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars As you see, this looks very fundamental 'pillars' to define what wikipedia is... Wikipedia is an encyclopedia Wikipedia has a neutral point of view Wikipedia is free content Wikipedia has a code of conduct Wikipedia does not have firm rules Clearly, NPV and free-content(free licensing of content) are shared between the founding principles and the WP-5-five-pillars. The first one is - an encyclopedia, which is an obvious definition of the wikipedia project. So, what I would like to watch closely here are the last 2 pillars, Wikipedia has a code of conduct Wikipedia does not have firm rules To me, Wikipedia:Consensus that is a part of Wikipedia has a code of conduct tightly connects to Wikipedia does not have firm rules = Wikipedia:Ignore all rules, WP:NOTLAW, WP:NOTDEMOCRACY. and basically mentions the same concept, it looks like. So, my questions are as follows. 1. While Wikipedia:Five pillars includes Founding_principles and the definition of WP(Wikipedia is an encyclopedia), is this still english local WP pillars? or What do you think if we share the WP pillars among WP local projects? What do you think if a local WP project refuses to share the WP pillars? 2. What do you think 'IF' a local project like ja-wp ,as a result, determines discard the essence of the concept -WP:Consensus and prefer treat WP:rules as a Law? That's it, thanks. Regards, --wp99 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Five pillars and 'WP:Consensus' in WP:NOT
PS. at the bottom of the page of Wikipedia:Five pillars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars Wikipedia's principles Five pillars as ''Overview of our foundation'' --wp99 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Block update
2009/8/10 stevertigo o...@spaz.org: 2009/8/8 Stevertjgo o...@spaz.org: I think those high level discussion can take place either on-wiki or on existing mailing lists without a problem. I generally agree. But existing mailing lists generally means wikien-l - once highly purposed toward resolving on-wiki disputes - is now notoriously dismissive of dispute resolution issues and geared more toward discussing Wikipedia's media image. wikien-l is dismissive of specific disputes, I don't think people would object to civil, non-sensational, good faith discussions about the dispute resolution process. OK, I agree, but would want to generalize it into either the dispute resolution or mailing list dimensions. A 'mailing list for discussing mailing lists and related issues? Hm. Yeah, that would work. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split
On 8/7/09 5:43 PM, George Herbert wrote: I suspect you're going to have to be prepared to do a lot of internal discovery and discovery with potential hires to show them the web ops side - it's not well documented now (I keep meaning to find out more about the ops team and finding I have no time to join the IRC channel 24x7 ;-P ). The team seems to function well - servers seem decently stable - but it's not clear to me if the process and documentation is up to industry standards for large website operations. At some point tribal knowledge has to yield to documentation and process and organizational knowledge. Oh yes, this is already very much an ongoing process as we've been increasing the ops staff this last year. -- brion ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: With the increase in administrative and organizational duties, I've been less and less able to devote time to the part of the job that's nearest and dearest to me: working with our volunteer developer community and end users -- Wikimedians and other MediaWiki users alike -- who have bugs, patches, features, ideas, complaints, hopes and dreams that need attention. The last thing I want to be is a bottleneck that prevents our users from getting what they need, or our open source developers from being able to participate effectively! Multicore brain upgrades aren't yet available, so to keep us running at top speed I've suggested, and gotten Sue Erik's blessing on, splitting out the components of my current CTO role into two separate positions: This is great news. I look forward to upping my daily dose of vitamin B (the supplements just didn't cut it). ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
