Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia christmas calendar?

[Waldir Pimenta]

Nikola Smolenski wrote:

> Magnus Manske wrote:
> >> One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than
> >> his portrait...
> >
> > And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to
> > implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article
>
> Google image search has it, so it's not that complex. Not that I suggest
> you should implement it in PHP :)
>

It *is* complex. Yes, it's not impossible; yes, it's been done. But that
doesn't mean it's simple or easy. Btw, Magnus, thanks for building that
demo. It's great for putting this idea in perspective! :)
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Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia christmas calendar?

[Nikola Smolenski]

Magnus Manske wrote:
>> One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than
>> his portrait...
> 
> And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to
> implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article

Google image search has it, so it's not that complex. Not that I suggest 
you should implement it in PHP :)

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Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

[wjhonson]

 And I never said it is about *me* stop trying to make this personal.
I am not directing my remarks at *you*, so stop directing yours at *me*.
There are many people on this very list who have said essentially the exact 
same thing.
You should re-read the thread again to make that apparent, if you're not clear 
on that.
Thanks
Will

 

 

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To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List 
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 3:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?










Hoi,
It is not about you.. it is about US ... and some of us are not like you, do
not agree with you and have a different outlook on this... Please get it
that most people do not have the time to waste on so many e-mails.

There is also the fact that most threads including this one do not stay on
topic and consequently sometimes they become interesting.
Thanks,
  GerardM

2009/11/2 

> Personally, I process about two or three hundred emails per day (yes per
> day), so the small amount of noise the Foundation list creates is negligible
> to me.
>
> If someone is so annoyed by a thread, that they can't even bother to DWR
> (delete without reading) based merely on the subject title, I would think we
> need to question whether that person has the right temperament for the
> internet whatsoever.  I delete at least two or three dozen emails every day
> without reading them, if I already know the subject is not going to be of
> "interest" to me.
>
> I would submit the real issue here, is not that people are doing that or
> could, but rather that they have a compulsion to *keep reading* the thread.
>  Sort of a, "I don't want to be left out, or I want to keep watching the
> train wreck" or something.  I'm not a psychologist.  I do know however, that
> the entire issue of "let's close this thread", "let's moderated these
> people", " this is too noisy" and so on, is endemic to the entire email
> world.  Not merely this list.
>
> I can't think of any list I'm on (and I'm on a few dozen), where the issue
> does not come up with regularity.  It is merely part of the way internetlife
> is, in my opinion.
>
> Will
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
It is not about you.. it is about US ... and some of us are not like you, do
not agree with you and have a different outlook on this... Please get it
that most people do not have the time to waste on so many e-mails.

There is also the fact that most threads including this one do not stay on
topic and consequently sometimes they become interesting.
Thanks,
  GerardM

2009/11/2 

> Personally, I process about two or three hundred emails per day (yes per
> day), so the small amount of noise the Foundation list creates is negligible
> to me.
>
> If someone is so annoyed by a thread, that they can't even bother to DWR
> (delete without reading) based merely on the subject title, I would think we
> need to question whether that person has the right temperament for the
> internet whatsoever.  I delete at least two or three dozen emails every day
> without reading them, if I already know the subject is not going to be of
> "interest" to me.
>
> I would submit the real issue here, is not that people are doing that or
> could, but rather that they have a compulsion to *keep reading* the thread.
>  Sort of a, "I don't want to be left out, or I want to keep watching the
> train wreck" or something.  I'm not a psychologist.  I do know however, that
> the entire issue of "let's close this thread", "let's moderated these
> people", " this is too noisy" and so on, is endemic to the entire email
> world.  Not merely this list.
>
> I can't think of any list I'm on (and I'm on a few dozen), where the issue
> does not come up with regularity.  It is merely part of the way internetlife
> is, in my opinion.
>
> Will
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

[wjhonson]

 That's a bit of an extreme remark Tim.  There are millions of computer 
programmers in the world, who do not know or care to try to learn how to 
operate AOL.  Not every programmers is a Windows programmer.  Myopic view of 
"understanding computers".  I could just as well opine, that people who don't 
know how to relink bombed Pascal pointers "don't understand computers".

In fact I just sent a nasty-gram to the people at JustAnswers.com who, in 
deciding whether you are a "Computer Expert" ask you eight questions about 
Windows !  What a bunch of noodles.


 

 

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From: Tim Starling 
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 2:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?










wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 11/2/2009 10:59:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
> 
> 
>> Why can't people use email clients that don't break threads? ;)  >>>
> 
> AOL = Satan
> They are out to destroy all life and light.

Last time I checked, you could use any email client you liked when
connected to AOL, you only have to use the broken one they supply if
you don't understand how to use computers.



-- Tim Starling


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Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

[wjhonson]

Personally, I process about two or three hundred emails per day (yes per day), 
so the small amount of noise the Foundation list creates is negligible to me.

If someone is so annoyed by a thread, that they can't even bother to DWR 
(delete without reading) based merely on the subject title, I would think we 
need to question whether that person has the right temperament for the internet 
whatsoever.  I delete at least two or three dozen emails every day without 
reading them, if I already know the subject is not going to be of "interest" to 
me.

I would submit the real issue here, is not that people are doing that or could, 
but rather that they have a compulsion to *keep reading* the thread.  Sort of 
a, "I don't want to be left out, or I want to keep watching the train wreck" or 
something.  I'm not a psychologist.  I do know however, that the entire issue 
of "let's close this thread", "let's moderated these people", " this is too 
noisy" and so on, is endemic to the entire email world.  Not merely this list.

I can't think of any list I'm on (and I'm on a few dozen), where the issue does 
not come up with regularity.  It is merely part of the way internetlife is, in 
my opinion.

Will





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Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

[Tim Starling]

wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 11/2/2009 10:59:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
> 
> 
>> Why can't people use email clients that don't break threads? ;)  >>>
> 
> AOL = Satan
> They are out to destroy all life and light.

Last time I checked, you could use any email client you liked when
connected to AOL, you only have to use the broken one they supply if
you don't understand how to use computers.



-- Tim Starling


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Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

[Samuel Klein]

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Anthony  wrote:

>
> I fail to see how this is contrary to the mission of the Wikimedia
> Foundation to "empower and engage people around the world to collect
> and develop educational content under a free license or in the public
> domain, and to disseminate it effectively and globally".  I think it
> promotes it, indirectly by making for a more friendly environment if
> not directly by paving the way for real educational content.
>

Yes.  "Making for a more friendly environment" is absolutely relevant to
that mission.

Thomas writes:
> I do know when a discussion is irritating people - they make that very
> clear. What I don't understand is why it irritates them when they
> could so easily ignore it. There are no limits on how many threads we
> can have, so saying there are other more useful discussions is a
> complete non-argument.

This is also about making for a more friendly environment.  To be fair,
technology has backpedaled a bit here.  Many modern mail clients don't
support killing threads, so you have to delete each new message as it comes
along, and have no choice but to read annoying subject headers every time.
[dear gmail: this is ridiculous.]  Both of which make flames or other
deathless threads annoying proportional to their size.

> There are two solutions to this problem -
> people can ignore the threads they aren't interested in at negligible
> cost to themselves, or other people can stop discussing the things
> they are interested it, which is obviously a cost in itself.

This is the heart of the matter.   A number of people have already stopped
discussing the things they are interested in here, or even reading
regularly, because they find this forum too noisy to use.   So it is a
tradeoff between who feels comfortable posting and reading here.

Since this is one of the few cross-foundation channels, as many people as
possible should feel somewhat comfortable here.  And since all channels can
be saturated -- and many people's responses indicate that this one gets
saturated for them by long contentious threads -- either the aggressive
posters or the saturated readers are going to find their preferred use of
the list frustrated.

If you find yourself posting for the fifth or eighth time to a thread,
please consider this tradeoff, and other ways to get your point across.  I
prefer wikiessays (rc is a much harder channel to saturate), but ymmv.

SJ
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Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

[Anthony]

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Dan Collins  wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Anthony  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Thomas Dalton 
>> wrote:
>> > Yes, you can delete the archives on the WMF site. That does make much
>> > difference. It will still be in everyone's inboxes and on various
>> > other archive sites.
>>
>> So, what, don't do the right thing and delete it because some archive
>> sites might not do the same thing?  Whatever.  Not my fight.  And at
>> least the guy has a relatively common name.
>
> How can a WIKIMEDIAN, a member of a project that prides itself in the
> freedom of information, support the censoring of information and the
> stifling of free discourse like this?

I don't support the stifling of free discourse.  I don't have a
problem with the issue being brought up and discussed, I just think
it'd be nice to take the person's name out of the archive, at least
unless and until there is some evidence that it is true.

I fail to see how this is contrary to the mission of the Wikimedia
Foundation to "empower and engage people around the world to collect
and develop educational content under a free license or in the public
domain, and to disseminate it effectively and globally".  I think it
promotes it, indirectly by making for a more friendly environment if
not directly by paving the way for real educational content.

To anyone else who doesn't like this thread (especially the ones who
are actually trying to stifle free discourse).  I'm sorry, but I think
this subthread is completely within the scope of this list.  I think
it's essential for us all to fight hard against the notion that
removal of rumors and libel is somehow "OMG CENSORSHIP" which is
forbidden by the organization's mission.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

[WJhonson]

In a message dated 11/2/2009 10:59:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:


> Why can't people use email clients that don't break threads? ;)  >>>

AOL = Satan
They are out to destroy all life and light.

Will

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Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

[Thomas Dalton]

2009/11/2  :
> In a message dated 11/2/2009 8:31:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> effeietsand...@gmail.com writes:
>
>
>> Why can't people learn when a discussion is irritating other people, why
>> can't people learn which discussions are most useful to have, why can't
>> people learn that they might frustrate the very reason for existance of
>> this
>> list? Why can't people learn to realize when to shut up?>>
>
> Why can't people realize they have no right to demand that others be
> silent?  Why can't people realize that the delete key is their friend, no one 
> is
> making anyone read anything, that there is a choice?  Why can't people
> realize that what is irritating to some, is interesting to others?  Why can't
> people realize that censorship does not stop conversation, it makes it explode
> elsewhere to the detriment of all parties?

Why can't people use email clients that don't break threads? ;)

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Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

[WJhonson]

In a message dated 11/2/2009 8:31:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
effeietsand...@gmail.com writes:


> Why can't people learn when a discussion is irritating other people, why
> can't people learn which discussions are most useful to have, why can't
> people learn that they might frustrate the very reason for existance of 
> this
> list? Why can't people learn to realize when to shut up?>>

Why can't people realize they have no right to demand that others be 
silent?  Why can't people realize that the delete key is their friend, no one 
is 
making anyone read anything, that there is a choice?  Why can't people 
realize that what is irritating to some, is interesting to others?  Why can't 
people realize that censorship does not stop conversation, it makes it explode 
elsewhere to the detriment of all parties?

Will

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Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia christmas calendar?

[Olli]

suggestions:

1 =You should add option to select what country (what wikipedia (fi, en,
sv...))
2 = Calendr should be like right calendar
3 = Other languages (translation possiblity)

Olli


2009/11/2 Andrew Gray 

> 2009/11/2 Magnus Manske :
>
> >> One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than
> >> his portrait...
> >
> > And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to
> > implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article
> > from e.g. [[November 2]], then chose a random picture from that.
>
> First image is probably your best bet - the odds are reasonably high
> it'll be a picture, or something else "representative", in the
> conventional top-right slot. Certainly better odds than random
> selection!
>
> --
> - Andrew Gray
>  andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk
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Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia christmas calendar?

[Andrew Gray]

2009/11/2 Magnus Manske :

>> One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than
>> his portrait...
>
> And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to
> implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article
> from e.g. [[November 2]], then chose a random picture from that.

First image is probably your best bet - the odds are reasonably high
it'll be a picture, or something else "representative", in the
conventional top-right slot. Certainly better odds than random
selection!

-- 
- Andrew Gray
  andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk

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Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia christmas calendar?

[Magnus Manske]

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> 2009/11/2 Magnus Manske :
>>> I think a human selected calendar would be better for actually
>>> publishing, but that's certainly a fun script. Can you add an option
>>> to choose a category so we can have a calendar of Britons, or French,
>>> or mathematicians, or military people, etc.?
>>
>> I could limit the articles used to a ceratin category, but IMHO that
>> would restrict the search too much, that is, either no or a few
>> possible candidates per day.
>
> For large categories, like nationalities, it would probably work. For
> smaller categories you would need to decide what to do with gaps.
>
>>> One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than
>>> his portrait...
>>
>> And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to
>> implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article
>> from e.g. [[November 2]], then chose a random picture from that.
>
> Try the image in the infobox if there is one.

So, either a HTML parser or a new MediaWiki parser to get at the
/variable. Tough choice there :-)

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Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia christmas calendar?

[Thomas Dalton]

2009/11/2 Magnus Manske :
>> I think a human selected calendar would be better for actually
>> publishing, but that's certainly a fun script. Can you add an option
>> to choose a category so we can have a calendar of Britons, or French,
>> or mathematicians, or military people, etc.?
>
> I could limit the articles used to a ceratin category, but IMHO that
> would restrict the search too much, that is, either no or a few
> possible candidates per day.

For large categories, like nationalities, it would probably work. For
smaller categories you would need to decide what to do with gaps.

>> One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than
>> his portrait...
>
> And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to
> implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article
> from e.g. [[November 2]], then chose a random picture from that.

Try the image in the infobox if there is one.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia christmas calendar?

[Magnus Manske]

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> 2009/11/2 Magnus Manske :
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Ray Saintonge  wrote:
>>> Olli wrote:
 Date: 2009/10/31
 Subject: Wikipedia christmas calendar?

 What about a wikipedia christmas calendar? It can maybe preview some
 articles or something similar. Then it can be multilingual.


>>> Not necessarily just Christmas, but a published calendar for the whole
>>> year.  Wikipedia's date articles are already full of weitd and wonderful
>>> things that happened on this day in history.
>>
>> Or, have a new calender generated automatically on each page reload:
>>
>> http://toolserver.org/~magnus/wikilendar.php?month=11&year=2009
>>
>> (takes a few seconds to parse all these pages and check for suitable images)
>
> I think a human selected calendar would be better for actually
> publishing, but that's certainly a fun script. Can you add an option
> to choose a category so we can have a calendar of Britons, or French,
> or mathematicians, or military people, etc.?

I could limit the articles used to a ceratin category, but IMHO that
would restrict the search too much, that is, either no or a few
possible candidates per day.

> One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than
> his portrait...

And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to
implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article
from e.g. [[November 2]], then chose a random picture from that.

Cheers,
Magnus

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Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia christmas calendar?

[Thomas Dalton]

2009/11/2 Magnus Manske :
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Ray Saintonge  wrote:
>> Olli wrote:
>>> Date: 2009/10/31
>>> Subject: Wikipedia christmas calendar?
>>>
>>> What about a wikipedia christmas calendar? It can maybe preview some
>>> articles or something similar. Then it can be multilingual.
>>>
>>>
>> Not necessarily just Christmas, but a published calendar for the whole
>> year.  Wikipedia's date articles are already full of weitd and wonderful
>> things that happened on this day in history.
>
> Or, have a new calender generated automatically on each page reload:
>
> http://toolserver.org/~magnus/wikilendar.php?month=11&year=2009
>
> (takes a few seconds to parse all these pages and check for suitable images)

I think a human selected calendar would be better for actually
publishing, but that's certainly a fun script. Can you add an option
to choose a category so we can have a calendar of Britons, or French,
or mathematicians, or military people, etc.?

One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than
his portrait...

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Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

[Thomas Dalton]

2009/11/2 effe iets anders :
> 2009/11/2 Thomas Dalton 
>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm happy arguing about this. No-one is forcing you to do so. If you
>> want to start another thread about the colour of the sky, go right
>> ahead.
>>
>> Why can't people on this list learn how to ignore threads? It is very
>> easy to do. You just don't click on them when they appear in your
>> inbox. I'm not interested in everything that is discussed on this
>> list, but I don't complain about other people discussing it; I just
>> ignore it.
>>
>> Why can't people learn when a discussion is irritating other people, why
> can't people learn which discussions are most useful to have, why can't
> people learn that they might frustrate the very reason for existance of this
> list? Why can't people learn to realize when to shut up?

I do know when a discussion is irritating people - they make that very
clear. What I don't understand is why it irritates them when they
could so easily ignore it. There are no limits on how many threads we
can have, so saying there are other more useful discussions is a
complete non-argument. There are two solutions to this problem -
people can ignore the threads they aren't interested in at negligible
cost to themselves, or other people can stop discussing the things
they are interested it, which is obviously a cost in itself. The
former seems like a better solution to me...

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Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

[effe iets anders]

2009/11/2 Thomas Dalton 

>
>
>
> I'm happy arguing about this. No-one is forcing you to do so. If you
> want to start another thread about the colour of the sky, go right
> ahead.
>
> Why can't people on this list learn how to ignore threads? It is very
> easy to do. You just don't click on them when they appear in your
> inbox. I'm not interested in everything that is discussed on this
> list, but I don't complain about other people discussing it; I just
> ignore it.
>
> Why can't people learn when a discussion is irritating other people, why
can't people learn which discussions are most useful to have, why can't
people learn that they might frustrate the very reason for existance of this
list? Why can't people learn to realize when to shut up?
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Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

[Thomas Dalton]

2009/11/2 Chad :
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Ray Saintonge  wrote:
>> Pharos wrote:
>>> I can think of approximately 500,000 other issues that it would
>>> perhaps be more productive for us to argue about on this list.
>>>
>>
>> So just because you have a personal dislike for a comment you want to
>> call it arguing. You're making far too big a deal of a casual response
>> to Thomas.
>>
>> Ec
>>
>
> I agree with Pharos on this one. I don't take issue with one particular
> response, it's the whole thread. There are *much* better things we
> could argue about. Whether or not the sky is blue sounds like a better
> debate, even.

I'm happy arguing about this. No-one is forcing you to do so. If you
want to start another thread about the colour of the sky, go right
ahead.

Why can't people on this list learn how to ignore threads? It is very
easy to do. You just don't click on them when they appear in your
inbox. I'm not interested in everything that is discussed on this
list, but I don't complain about other people discussing it; I just
ignore it.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

[Thomas Dalton]

2009/11/2 Dan Collins :
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Anthony  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Thomas Dalton 
>> wrote:
>> > Yes, you can delete the archives on the WMF site. That does make much
>> > difference. It will still be in everyone's inboxes and on various
>> > other archive sites.
>>
>> So, what, don't do the right thing and delete it because some archive
>> sites might not do the same thing?  Whatever.  Not my fight.  And at
>> least the guy has a relatively common name.
>
> How can a WIKIMEDIAN, a member of a project that prides itself in the
> freedom of information, support the censoring of information and the
> stifling of free discourse like this?

Because some people recognise that in the real world you can't
blinding apply the same ideology in the same way to every situation.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

[Pharos]

FYI my comment was on the whole thread, not about any particular response.

Hence the "[general comment]" disclaimer.

Thanks,
Pharos

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:28 AM, Chad  wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Ray Saintonge  wrote:
>> Pharos wrote:
>>> I can think of approximately 500,000 other issues that it would
>>> perhaps be more productive for us to argue about on this list.
>>>
>>
>> So just because you have a personal dislike for a comment you want to
>> call it arguing. You're making far too big a deal of a casual response
>> to Thomas.
>>
>> Ec
>>
>
> I agree with Pharos on this one. I don't take issue with one particular
> response, it's the whole thread. There are *much* better things we
> could argue about. Whether or not the sky is blue sounds like a better
> debate, even.
>
> -Chad
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia christmas calendar?

[Magnus Manske]

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Ray Saintonge  wrote:
> Olli wrote:
>> Date: 2009/10/31
>> Subject: Wikipedia christmas calendar?
>>
>> What about a wikipedia christmas calendar? It can maybe preview some
>> articles or something similar. Then it can be multilingual.
>>
>>
> Not necessarily just Christmas, but a published calendar for the whole
> year.  Wikipedia's date articles are already full of weitd and wonderful
> things that happened on this day in history.

Or, have a new calender generated automatically on each page reload:

http://toolserver.org/~magnus/wikilendar.php?month=11&year=2009

(takes a few seconds to parse all these pages and check for suitable images)

Cheers,
Magnus

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Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

[Chad]

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Ray Saintonge  wrote:
> Pharos wrote:
>> I can think of approximately 500,000 other issues that it would
>> perhaps be more productive for us to argue about on this list.
>>
>
> So just because you have a personal dislike for a comment you want to
> call it arguing. You're making far too big a deal of a casual response
> to Thomas.
>
> Ec
>

I agree with Pharos on this one. I don't take issue with one particular
response, it's the whole thread. There are *much* better things we
could argue about. Whether or not the sky is blue sounds like a better
debate, even.

-Chad

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