[Foundation-l] sell wikipedia
store it on memory chip or HD and sell it ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] sell wikipedia
Hello, Why would anybody want to buy it if it is possible to download it for free? Make a page on the wmf site where people can buy a hd with wikimedia content and donated it to a school or something like that sounds more like a nice idea. Best regards, Huib 2010/1/21, ster...@aol.com ster...@aol.com: store it on memory chip or HD and sell it ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- The soldiers graves are great preachers of peace http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Abigor ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] wikiresearch
can I have my reseach-paper as a wiki-page and wiki-editors help to complete it, write introduction,include references,improve graphics etc. - while I just provide the data and results. This way it can also be updated later and easily searched. No publishing journal needed. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] sell wikipedia
It s possible to buy a usb key with okawix http://www.okawix.com - Original Message - From: ster...@aol.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] sell wikipedia Why would anybody want to buy it if it is possible to download it for free? download is impractical, it takes too long. Often you want it offline, when no internet-connection is available. Or you want to have a fixed version, not overwritten by updates. Or you want to have it in case it stops and goes offline and is maybe no longer available one day. The German version is being sold in Germany, but not the larger English version. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] sell wikipedia
There's also the wikireader: http://thewikireader.com/index.html I've played with one of these and I must say, they're pretty awesome. wittylama.com/blog Peace, love metadata On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Pascal Martin pmar...@linterweb.fr wrote: It s possible to buy a usb key with okawix http://www.okawix.com - Original Message - From: ster...@aol.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] sell wikipedia Why would anybody want to buy it if it is possible to download it for free? download is impractical, it takes too long. Often you want it offline, when no internet-connection is available. Or you want to have a fixed version, not overwritten by updates. Or you want to have it in case it stops and goes offline and is maybe no longer available one day. The German version is being sold in Germany, but not the larger English version. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] sell wikipedia
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:32 AM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: There's also the wikireader: http://thewikireader.com/index.html I've played with one of these and I must say, they're pretty awesome. wittylama.com/blog Peace, love metadata On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Pascal Martin pmar...@linterweb.fr wrote: It s possible to buy a usb key with okawix http://www.okawix.com - Original Message - From: ster...@aol.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] sell wikipedia Why would anybody want to buy it if it is possible to download it for free? download is impractical, it takes too long. Often you want it offline, when no internet-connection is available. Or you want to have a fixed version, not overwritten by updates. Or you want to have it in case it stops and goes offline and is maybe no longer available one day. The German version is being sold in Germany, but not the larger English version. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l I can second the WikiReader! But yes: we do not charge for access to our content. Both the sites and the database dumps are usable without any charges, and have been since inception. If people want to do things with that content--download, analyze, sell, create a business model around it--they're all certainly allowed to do that, as long as they follow the license and give credit where credit is due :) The WMF's role is to facilitate generation and dissemination of content, not hiding it behind a paywall. I'm glad that products like the wikireader and other offline media like DVDs exist. It means that people find our work valuable, and that means a lot to me. -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] sell wikipedia
wikireader doesn't say whether the data is just plain text or somehow encrypted in their format. (I couldn't find it) I don't need pictures, just plain wikipedia-text. Best with the discussion-pages and all that. Suitable for keyword-searches, maybe even from program or batch-file ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] wikiresearch
On 1/21/10, ster...@aol.com ster...@aol.com wrote: can I have my reseach-paper as a wiki-page and wiki-editors help to complete it, write introduction,include references,improve graphics etc. - while I just provide the data and results. This way it can also be updated later and easily searched. No publishing journal needed. Hi, In principle, this is within the scope of the Wikiversity project. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Research However, whether or not you can expect others to help you with your research project will depend on the nature of your research, and/or your own ability to convince people to assist you. Good luck, John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] sell wikipedia
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 14:01, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: I can second the WikiReader! But yes: we do not charge for access to our content. Both the sites and the database dumps are usable without any charges, and have been since inception. If people want to do things with that content--download, analyze, sell, create a business model around it--they're all certainly allowed to do that, as long as they follow the license and give credit where credit is due :) Apart from that dumps are often outdated, images aren't available, et cetera Or were there changes about that recently? g ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] sell wikipedia
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 14:01, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: I can second the WikiReader! But yes: we do not charge for access to our content. Both the sites and the database dumps are usable without any charges, and have been since inception. If people want to do things with that content--download, analyze, sell, create a business model around it--they're all certainly allowed to do that, as long as they follow the license and give credit where credit is due :) Apart from that dumps are often outdated, images aren't available, et cetera Or were there changes about that recently? g ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Last I heard, all the dumps were coming in at fairly regular intervals, barring the enwiki full-history-all-namespaces dump. Image dumps are needed, yes. The OP said he just needs the text anyway :) -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] sell wikipedia
On 01/21/2010 12:20 AM, Huib Laurens wrote: Why would anybody want to buy it if it is possible to download it for free? This is a topic that's getting a lot of attention. For example, Kevin Kelly lists 8 things that are better than free: http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2008/01/better_than_fre.php In our case, some of them don't apply. But I could see us making use of personalization, interpretation, embodiment, and patronage. I also think we could sell a sense of association if we wanted to. Social status is another good along these lines (think premium members and first-class tickets) but I don't immediately see a way Wikipedia could make use of that. I note that just last night I was browsing EBay to see what a set of the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica goes for. For $10, I could get it on DVD. Or I could pay hundreds for a physical set. I would never buy the DVD, but I might buy the physical set. And I already own a reproduction of the 3-volume 1768 edition. Any practical reason I'd come up with for purchases like that, or my Addams Family pinball machine, would be tenuous justifications. I buy those things not for the things themselves, but because I love the idea of those things. It seems reasonable to me that people love the idea of Wikipedia just as much. William ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OSTP Request for Comment on Open Access to Federally Funded Research
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:11 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Possibly of interest to Wikimedians: the U.S. Office of Science and Technology Policy is requesting public comment on making federally funded scientific research open access. The deadline is Jan. 7. - Forwarded Message - From: Charles W. Bailey, Jr. cwbai...@digital-scholarship.com To: st...@ala.org Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:50:30 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [STS-L] OSTP Request for Comment on Open Access to Federally Funded Research The Office of Science and Technology Policy is requesting input regarding enhanced access to federally funded science and technology research results, including the possibility of open access to them. Comments can be e-mailed to publicacc...@ostp.gov. The deadline for comments is January 7, 2010. Here's an excerpt from the announcement (http://bit.ly/5J1ZAp): Input is welcome on any aspect of expanding public access to peer reviewed publications arising from federal research. Questions that individuals may wish to address include, but are not limited to, the following (please respond to questions individually): 1. How do authors, primary and secondary publishers, libraries, universities, and the federal government contribute to the development and dissemination of peer reviewed papers arising from federal funds now, and how might this change under a public access policy? Note: Comments on the OSTP open access policy close today -- the comment period was extended to January 21st. People in the US may wish to sneak in a last-minute comment today. Sorry for the late notice -- I meant to send a reminder sooner! Here's the text of the email I sent to OSTP. Thanks to Esther Hoorn of WM-NL Melissa Hagemann of the advisory board for helping with ideas. - I support expanding open access policies for federally funded research across all funding agencies, following the NIH model. As an academic science and engineering librarian, I see first-hand the benefits of having broad access to current research for students and researchers alike. As a public university, our budget has been deeply impacted by the current recession, which means that our library has to reduce our purchases of expensive scientific journals. This unfortunately impacts student education -- students who are attending a university funded with public tax dollars, who need access to research that is also funded by public monies in order to stay up-to-date in their field, cannot get access to that same research because of the high prices charged by commercial scientific publishers. Open access means that more information would be available regardless of economic situation through the medium that people use the most to do research -- the Web. I am also a contributor to Wikipedia and other Wikimedia Foundation projects. Wikipedia is currently the fifth largest website and the largest single reference work in the world, accessed by millions of people every day to get information about all topics, including current scientific and technical issues. Wikipedia's mission is to provide technically accurate, up-to-date information that is well-referenced so all readers can also find out more about the topics they are interested in. However, many Wikipedia contributors and readers do not have access to the expensive and exclusive university libraries that are currently required to access most technical and scientific information. Instead, they rely on the resources currently available on the Web. Requiring that the results of federally funded research be made available online means that a vast world of up-to-date, reliable and important information would become available for use by Wikipedia and other projects that seek to make technical knowledge accessible to the public. As John Willinsky writes in the journal First Monday (itself open access), increasing the availability of open access research citations would increase the quality and educational value of Wikipedia (First Monday, v. 12(3), 5 March 2007). All federal open access policies should require the following to make them of most use to scientists, students, researchers and internet users: * Public access should be a requirement across all funding agencies, and agency policies should be coordinated to make them compatible with one another. * All articles that result from federal funding should be made freely accessible within no more than six months of publication (ideally less), and housed in widely publicized archives that ensure permanent public search and retrieval. These archives should be coordinated with currently available databases of federally-funded information as well, such as DOE's Information Bridge. * Articles should be posted in a standard, non-proprietary digital format, such as XML, in addition to pdf or other common formats; both pre- and post- prints should be allowed for deposit. Continued project funding
Re: [Foundation-l] sell wikipedia
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:11 AM, ster...@aol.com wrote: wikireader doesn't say whether the data is just plain text or somehow encrypted in their format. (I couldn't find it) I don't need pictures, just plain wikipedia-text. Best with the discussion-pages and all that. Suitable for keyword-searches, maybe even from program or batch-file Wikireader is article text only, no images or discussion pages. They include a limited set of formatting and other specialized code for layout in addition to the text, but nowhere near as extensive as raw Wikitext would be. It is all heavily compressed to make it fit in the space available, but that's entirely reversible of course. -Robert Rohde ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] sell wikipedia
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Last I heard, all the dumps were coming in at fairly regular intervals, barring the enwiki full-history-all-namespaces dump. Image dumps are needed, yes. The OP said he just needs the text anyway :) -Chad Image dumps aren't really needed since you can hook into the foreign file repos (aka InstantCommons) for most things (except for offline uses), And it's a bit hard to dump images on most projects due to fairuse (or the languages equivalent laws) images, commons would be the most easiest projects that you could dump almost all the images from. -Peachey ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
