Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's authority (on "global bans")

2010-03-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen 
Hoi.
It is important that there is a method to puncture boils. It has already
been remarked that Jimmy does not use his powers often. Given that there are
ALWAYS people who have the opposite view, it is hardly relevant that there
will be drama. There always is.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 26 March 2010 02:00, Ray Saintonge  wrote:

> George Herbert wrote:
> > Both the "yes he does" and "no he doesn't" sides are asserting and
> > assuming rather than reporting a known quantity.
> >
> > There has been no organized or widespread attempt to either ask Jimmy
> > to give it up or to take it away.  I can name a number of individuals
> > who assert that should happen, but there's no poll, no project, no
> > policy proposal to do so.
> >
> > We simply don't know what the community actually feels about it, in
> > part because Jimmy uses the power so sparingly that very very few
> > people ever encounter it firsthand.
> >
> >
> >
> Whether or not the use of the power is justified, it's use almost
> guarantees that drama will follow.  That alone makes more diplomatic
> channels preferable.
>
> Ec
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Re: [Foundation-l] Annulment declaration of "Wikipedia's principles" and "Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines" in Japanese edition.

2010-03-25 Thread kigen2700...@gmail.com 
Discussion about refusal of authority of Jimbo
Wikipedia‐ノート:合意形成
http://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%E2%80%90%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88%3A%E5%90%88%E6%84%8F%E5%BD%A2%E6%88%90&action=historysubmit&diff=26574550&oldid=26185091

"Wikipedia:Ignore all rules" is not policy in Japanese edition.
Wikipedia:ルールすべてを無視しなさい
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E3%83%AB%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E3%81%99%E3%81%B9%E3%81%A6%E3%82%92%E7%84%A1%E8%A6%96%E3%81%97%E3%81%AA%E3%81%95%E3%81%84

The above-mentioned ratification resolution
Wikipedia‐ノート:ウィキプロジェクト プロジェクト関連文書
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%E2%80%90%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88:%E3%82%A6%E3%82%A3%E3%82%AD%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%82%AF%E3%83%88_%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%82%AF%E3%83%88%E9%96%A2%E9%80%A3%E6%96%87%E6%9B%B8

2010年3月26日12:27 Aphaia :
> Briefly,
> the page pointed out couldn't read as described, at least in my view.
> There is no such vote but rather just to confirm policies and
> guidelines said to be applied for the project currently are really
> such as, and this corner picking seems to be an answer to this poster
> who raised this as an issue because its composition are literally
> different from English one. Introducing such as "voted for refusing
> authority of Jimbo Wales" is more than deceptive in my humble opinion.
>
> Language barriers are no good excuse for trolling and malice intent.
>
>
>>  Wikipedia's principles and  Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines
>> resolved to refuse in Japanese edition. The Wikipedia Japanese edition
>> community voted for refusing authority of Jimbo Wales.
>>
>> the formal  objection to page.
>> http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%E2%80%90%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88:%E3%82%A6%E3%82%A3%E3%82%AD%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%82%AF%E3%83%88_%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%82%AF%E3%83%88%E9%96%A2%E9%80%A3%E6%96%87%E6%9B%B8
>>
>> Money cake
>>
>> 利用者:山吹色の御菓子
>> http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%88%A9%E7%94%A8%E8%80%85:%E5%B1%B1%E5%90%B9%E8%89%B2%E3%81%AE%E5%BE%A1%E8%8F%93%E5%AD%90
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Re: [Foundation-l] Annulment declaration of "Wikipedia's principles" and "Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines" in Japanese edition.

2010-03-25 Thread Aphaia 
Briefly,
the page pointed out couldn't read as described, at least in my view.
There is no such vote but rather just to confirm policies and
guidelines said to be applied for the project currently are really
such as, and this corner picking seems to be an answer to this poster
who raised this as an issue because its composition are literally
different from English one. Introducing such as "voted for refusing
authority of Jimbo Wales" is more than deceptive in my humble opinion.

Language barriers are no good excuse for trolling and malice intent.


>  Wikipedia's principles and  Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines
> resolved to refuse in Japanese edition. The Wikipedia Japanese edition
> community voted for refusing authority of Jimbo Wales.
>
> the formal  objection to page.
> http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%E2%80%90%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88:%E3%82%A6%E3%82%A3%E3%82%AD%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%82%AF%E3%83%88_%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%82%AF%E3%83%88%E9%96%A2%E9%80%A3%E6%96%87%E6%9B%B8
>
> Money cake
>
> 利用者:山吹色の御菓子
> http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%88%A9%E7%94%A8%E8%80%85:%E5%B1%B1%E5%90%B9%E8%89%B2%E3%81%AE%E5%BE%A1%E8%8F%93%E5%AD%90
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[Foundation-l] Annulment declaration of "Wikipedia's principles" and "Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines" in Japanese edition.

2010-03-25 Thread kigen2700...@gmail.com 
 Wikipedia's principles and  Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines
resolved to refuse in Japanese edition. The Wikipedia Japanese edition
community voted for refusing authority of Jimbo Wales.

the formal  objection to page.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%E2%80%90%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88:%E3%82%A6%E3%82%A3%E3%82%AD%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%82%AF%E3%83%88_%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%82%AF%E3%83%88%E9%96%A2%E9%80%A3%E6%96%87%E6%9B%B8

Money cake

利用者:山吹色の御菓子
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%88%A9%E7%94%A8%E8%80%85:%E5%B1%B1%E5%90%B9%E8%89%B2%E3%81%AE%E5%BE%A1%E8%8F%93%E5%AD%90

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[Foundation-l] Weekly Flagged Protection update

2010-03-25 Thread William Pietri 
As requested, here's the weekly Flagged Protection update.

This week we've seen a lot of helpful testing from at least 15 people, 
and we'd love to see more before launch.

To participate, start here:

http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page


To see what we've changed this week, there's a list here:

http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Flagged_Protection_updates#2010_Mar_25


To see the upcoming work, it's listed in our tracker,  under Current and 
Backlog:

http://www.pivotaltracker.com/projects/46157

There will likely be more work than that before launch as user feedback 
comes in; we just added a number of items based on tester feedback.  But 
if this week's feedback is any guide, we don't appear to have much major 
work remaining.

We expect to release again next week, and each week thereafter until 
this goes live on the English Wikipedia.


William

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Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's authority (on "global bans")

2010-03-25 Thread Ray Saintonge 
George Herbert wrote:
> Both the "yes he does" and "no he doesn't" sides are asserting and
> assuming rather than reporting a known quantity.
>
> There has been no organized or widespread attempt to either ask Jimmy
> to give it up or to take it away.  I can name a number of individuals
> who assert that should happen, but there's no poll, no project, no
> policy proposal to do so.
>
> We simply don't know what the community actually feels about it, in
> part because Jimmy uses the power so sparingly that very very few
> people ever encounter it firsthand.
>
>
>   
Whether or not the use of the power is justified, it's use almost 
guarantees that drama will follow.  That alone makes more diplomatic 
channels preferable.

Ec

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Re: [Foundation-l] Call for Wikimania Scholarship Applications

2010-03-25 Thread Svip 
On 25 March 2010 20:50, Isabell Long  wrote:
> On 25 March 2010 19:48, Yaroslav M. Blanter  wrote:
>>> I don't think there are any restrictions but then I am not overly
>>> familiar with EU law.
>>
>> I guess you will not be able to fly without a certified permission of your
>> parents/guardians. The same applies to crossing the borders (I assume you
>> do not need visa to visit Poland).
>
> If you're an EU citizen then you can travel freely between all
> countries of the EU, supposedly.  And no, no flying without permission
> of course, but I wouldn't go on my own anyway.  :)

You are confusing the Schengen agreement with the trade regulations of
the EU.  People within the Schengen agreement are allowed to travel
without showing passport within that area (some EU nations are not
part of it, e.g. the UK and some non-EU nations are part of it, e.g.
Norway), while the reasoning for the EU posts at airports is due to
customs rather than what ID you need to show.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Call for Wikimania Scholarship Applications

2010-03-25 Thread Ray Saintonge 
Cary Bass wrote:
> Ultimately, there are no restrictions on /applying/ for scholarship so
> you should feel free to apply. However, the application was designed
> to allow only for years that start with "19", so people born 2000 or
> later will have to contact us separately to apply.
>   

Wow! The Y2K problem lives on. :-)

Ec

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Re: [Foundation-l] Call for Wikimania Scholarship Applications

2010-03-25 Thread Tomasz Ganicz 
2010/3/25 Isabell Long :
> On 24 March 2010 22:41, Cary Bass  wrote:
>> The call for applications for Wikimania Scholarships to attend
>> Wikimania 2010 in Gdansk, Poland
>> (July 9-11) is now open. The Wikimedia Foundation offers Scholarships
>> to pay for selected individuals' round trip travel, accommodations,
>> and registration at the conference.
>
> I just noticed that!  Wow!  Is there any lower age limit for
> Wikimania?  I mean, do you have to be a certain age to attend?  I
> might well apply if that's not the case or I'm old enough (16) - it is
> in Poland after all and I have never been to Poland, fascinating
> country and for a Wikimedia conference as well - wow!
>

If you are from EU you need a valid ID card. If from outside you need
a passport. It would be good if you have a written and hand-signed
agreement of your parents that you can attend Wikimania and freely
travel in Poland. You won't legally attend some late evening meetings,
as it is strictly forbiden to provide alcoholic beverages to people
below 18, and organisers won't be able to control if you drink beer or
not :-)


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Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's authority (on "global bans")

2010-03-25 Thread David Gerard 
On 25 March 2010 21:33, George Herbert  wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Benjamin Lees  wrote:

>> There is now: *
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Remove_Founder_flag*

> Putting up a page on a wiki for an idea does not equal organization or
> widespread support...


It's a great page, though. "Silly. The whole case is about a troll
having been slapped properly and then crying manslaughter."


- d.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's authority (on "global bans")

2010-03-25 Thread George Herbert 
I qualified it with "organized or widespread", and did so for a reason...

There is currently one upset individual, and perhaps a few mild
supporters of the effort, but there is no evidence of widespread
support.

Putting up a page on a wiki for an idea does not equal organization or
widespread support...


On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Benjamin Lees  wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:33 PM, George Herbert 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> There has been no organized or widespread attempt to either ask Jimmy
>> to give it up or to take it away.  I can name a number of individuals
>> who assert that should happen, but there's no poll, no project, no
>> policy proposal to do so.
>>
>
> There is now: *
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Remove_Founder_flag*
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Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's authority (on "global bans")

2010-03-25 Thread Benjamin Lees 
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:33 PM, George Herbert wrote:

>
> There has been no organized or widespread attempt to either ask Jimmy
> to give it up or to take it away.  I can name a number of individuals
> who assert that should happen, but there's no poll, no project, no
> policy proposal to do so.
>

There is now: *
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Remove_Founder_flag*
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Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's authority (on "global bans")

2010-03-25 Thread geni 
On 25 March 2010 20:33, George Herbert  wrote:
> Both the "yes he does" and "no he doesn't" sides are asserting and
> assuming rather than reporting a known quantity.
>
> There has been no organized or widespread attempt to either ask Jimmy
> to give it up or to take it away.  I can name a number of individuals
> who assert that should happen, but there's no poll, no project, no
> policy proposal to do so.
>
> We simply don't know what the community actually feels about it, in
> part because Jimmy uses the power so sparingly that very very few
> people ever encounter it firsthand.

Well there isn't really any mechanism to carry out a global ban the
various languages don't talk to each other enough for that.

A more realistic say english language project ban would be entirely
dependent on how the various communities of admins felt about the
individual in question. Certainly it has been shown that at the
present time there is no project that considers Jimbo's word to be
final.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's authority (on "global bans")

2010-03-25 Thread George Herbert 
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:49 PM, geni  wrote:
> On 25 March 2010 02:51, Tim Starling  wrote:
>> Gregory Kohs wrote:
>>> Point of clarification... does Jimmy Wales have the authority to
>>> impose a "global ban" on a user?
>>
>> Yes, Jimmy has always had such rights, and he continues to enjoy broad
>> community support.
>>
>> -- Tim Starling
>
> No he doesn't. However he didn't actually impose a global ban in this
> case but it is unlikely there are any significant wikimedia projects
> that would not block the individual in question on sight.

Both the "yes he does" and "no he doesn't" sides are asserting and
assuming rather than reporting a known quantity.

There has been no organized or widespread attempt to either ask Jimmy
to give it up or to take it away.  I can name a number of individuals
who assert that should happen, but there's no poll, no project, no
policy proposal to do so.

We simply don't know what the community actually feels about it, in
part because Jimmy uses the power so sparingly that very very few
people ever encounter it firsthand.


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Re: [Foundation-l] Call for Wikimania Scholarship Applications

2010-03-25 Thread Isabell Long 
On 25 March 2010 19:48, Yaroslav M. Blanter  wrote:
>> I don't think there are any restrictions but then I am not overly
>> familiar with EU law.
>
> I guess you will not be able to fly without a certified permission of your
> parents/guardians. The same applies to crossing the borders (I assume you
> do not need visa to visit Poland).

If you're an EU citizen then you can travel freely between all
countries of the EU, supposedly.  And no, no flying without permission
of course, but I wouldn't go on my own anyway.  :)

Isabell.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Call for Wikimania Scholarship Applications

2010-03-25 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter 
> I don't think there are any restrictions but then I am not overly
> familiar with EU law.
>

I think you will not be able to fly unaccompanied without a certified
permission from your parents / guardians. The same applies to crossing
borders. I assume you do not need visa to visit Poland.

Cheers
Yaroslav


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Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's authority (on "global bans")

2010-03-25 Thread geni 
On 25 March 2010 02:51, Tim Starling  wrote:
> Gregory Kohs wrote:
>> Point of clarification... does Jimmy Wales have the authority to
>> impose a "global ban" on a user?
>
> Yes, Jimmy has always had such rights, and he continues to enjoy broad
> community support.
>
> -- Tim Starling

No he doesn't. However he didn't actually impose a global ban in this
case but it is unlikely there are any significant wikimedia projects
that would not block the individual in question on sight.



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Re: [Foundation-l] Call for Wikimania Scholarship Applications

2010-03-25 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter 
> I don't think there are any restrictions but then I am not overly
> familiar with EU law.

I guess you will not be able to fly without a certified permission of your
parents/guardians. The same applies to crossing the borders (I assume you
do not need visa to visit Poland).

Cheers
Yaroslav


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Re: [Foundation-l] Call for Wikimania Scholarship Applications

2010-03-25 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter 
> I don't think there are any restrictions but then I am not overly
> familiar with EU law.

I guess you will not be able to fly without a certified permission of your
parents/guardians. The same applies to crossing the borders (I assume you
do not need visa to visit Poland).

Cheers
Yaroslav


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Re: [Foundation-l] Call for Wikimania Scholarship Applications

2010-03-25 Thread Isabell Long 
On 25 March 2010 18:51, Cary Bass  wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Isabell Long wrote:
>> On 24 March 2010 22:41, Cary Bass  wrote:
>>> The call for applications for Wikimania Scholarships to attend
>>> Wikimania 2010 in Gdansk,
>>> Poland (July 9-11) is now open. The Wikimedia Foundation offers
>>> Scholarships to pay for selected individuals' round trip travel,
>>> accommodations, and registration at the conference.
>>
>> I just noticed that! Wow! Is there any lower age limit for
>> Wikimania? I mean, do you have to be a certain age to attend? I
>> might well apply if that's not the case or I'm old enough (16) - it
>> is in Poland after all and I have never been to Poland, fascinating
>> country and for a Wikimedia conference as well - wow!
>>
>> Thanks,
>
> There is not an age limit set for Wikimania as a whole. Essentially,
> anyone who is eligible for attendance is eligible for scholarship.
> People who are not of the age of majority in the country of
> citizenship will undoubtedly require their guardians' permission to
> travel, and if those people are considered by the scholarship
> committee, the committee will want to see that proof.

Yep, sure.  Thanks, good to know there's not an age limit!

>
> As far as the minimum age for attendance, the local team has not set
> any criteria. It should be considered that this criteria may be
> different for citizens of the host country to travel in the country
> than it is for non-Polish citizens. I don't know if being a citizen
> of an EU country makes a difference for minors traveling across borders.

I don't think there are any restrictions but then I am not overly
familiar with EU law.

> Past Wikimanias have seen scholarship recipients as young as 15 years
> of age; but the one I remember specifically also traveled with a
> guardian, who attended the conference as well. There may be other
> considerations involved in the host country with regards to liability
> that have to be taken into account when granting a scholarship to
> someone of that age.

Sure. If I come I will be travelling with a parent anyway.

>
> Ultimately, there are no restrictions on /applying/ for scholarship so
> you should feel free to apply. However, the application was designed
> to allow only for years that start with "19", so people born 2000 or
> later will have to contact us separately to apply.

Don't worry, I'm not quite *that* young.

Thanks,

Isabell.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Call for Wikimania Scholarship Applications

2010-03-25 Thread Cary Bass 
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Isabell Long wrote:
> On 24 March 2010 22:41, Cary Bass  wrote:
>> The call for applications for Wikimania Scholarships to attend
>> Wikimania 2010 in Gdansk,
>> Poland (July 9-11) is now open. The Wikimedia Foundation offers
>> Scholarships to pay for selected individuals' round trip travel,
>> accommodations, and registration at the conference.
>
> I just noticed that! Wow! Is there any lower age limit for
> Wikimania? I mean, do you have to be a certain age to attend? I
> might well apply if that's not the case or I'm old enough (16) - it
> is in Poland after all and I have never been to Poland, fascinating
> country and for a Wikimedia conference as well - wow!
>
> Thanks,
There is not an age limit set for Wikimania as a whole. Essentially,
anyone who is eligible for attendance is eligible for scholarship.
People who are not of the age of majority in the country of
citizenship will undoubtedly require their guardians' permission to
travel, and if those people are considered by the scholarship
committee, the committee will want to see that proof.

As far as the minimum age for attendance, the local team has not set
any criteria. It should be considered that this criteria may be
different for citizens of the host country to travel in the country
than it is for non-Polish citizens. I don't know if being a citizen
of an EU country makes a difference for minors traveling across borders.

Past Wikimanias have seen scholarship recipients as young as 15 years
of age; but the one I remember specifically also traveled with a
guardian, who attended the conference as well. There may be other
considerations involved in the host country with regards to liability
that have to be taken into account when granting a scholarship to
someone of that age.

Ultimately, there are no restrictions on /applying/ for scholarship so
you should feel free to apply. However, the application was designed
to allow only for years that start with "19", so people born 2000 or
later will have to contact us separately to apply.

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Cary Bass
Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation

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Re: [Foundation-l] Call for Wikimania Scholarship Applications

2010-03-25 Thread Isabell Long 
On 24 March 2010 22:41, Cary Bass  wrote:
> The call for applications for Wikimania Scholarships to attend
> Wikimania 2010 in Gdansk, Poland
> (July 9-11) is now open. The Wikimedia Foundation offers Scholarships
> to pay for selected individuals' round trip travel, accommodations,
> and registration at the conference.

I just noticed that!  Wow!  Is there any lower age limit for
Wikimania?  I mean, do you have to be a certain age to attend?  I
might well apply if that's not the case or I'm old enough (16) - it is
in Poland after all and I have never been to Poland, fascinating
country and for a Wikimedia conference as well - wow!

Thanks,

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Isabell Long.  
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