Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: I've started page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_encourage_participation Feel free to add your ideas. If the page with the same idea exists elsewhere -- let's say at Strategy Wiki -- please merge pages and let the list know. There's lots of great research and proposals on encouraging participation at: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Participation =Eugene -- == Eugene Eric Kim http://xri.net/=eekim Blue Oxen Associates http://www.blueoxen.com/ == ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Eugene Eric Kim ee...@blueoxen.com wrote: There's lots of great research and proposals on encouraging participation at: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Participation Thanks! This page [1] has the similar scope, actually. [1] - http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Attracting_and_retaining_participants ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
Mark Williamson wrote: In addition, I have a feeling that article overstates the English abilities of the average non-native internet user. Yes, lots of people have a very (very!) basic command of English, but that is not the same as functional bilingualism. A user may happen to know the name for a horse, but what are the chances a casual user from Peru knows the name for an anteater, a giraffe or a jellyfish? Amusingly enough, a former student of Martin Luther, by the name of Michael Agricola, faced this problem when translating the bible into Finnish in the 17th century. Yes, Virginia, the Finnish language really didn't exist as a written word but late in the 17th century. Michaels solution to the knotty problem of how to describe animals the common folk had not really had any experience of, was to rely on the most conspicuous visual, which often ended up mildly humorous to later readers. An ostritch he dubbed what would be literally Stork-camel, (kamelikurki Lion in a more amusing coinage was to Michael a noble deer (jalopeura), going with the color of the pelt despite the fact that lions are hardly ruminants. Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Lion in a more amusing coinage was to Michael a noble deer (jalopeura), going with the color of the pelt despite the fact that lions are hardly ruminants. Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen Not to mention the cats not cattle thing. A pride versus a herd is a world of difference in the realm of collective connotation. -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: On 06/22/2010 08:07 PM, Magnus Manske wrote: I would consider this state as a poor reflection on Commons' accessibility. Especially as Google image search (imho, the likeliest avenue of searching for images) gives 130 000 pictures of horses on Commons if searched in English, zero if searched in Estonian (hobu), and while it gives 160 000 results for a Hungarian search (ló) on the first page only one of it is an image that resembles a horse. Here's a thought: Enter hobu into translate.google.com, leave source language on automatic and target on English, and it will happily translate it into horse. Could we offer a translation link in search? As in, translate my query into English and try again? I'm sure we can come to an arrangement with Google (or someone else). I already made something similar: http://toolserver.org/~nikola/mis.php Nice! Now it needs language auto-detect, and Estonian for the example (unless I didn't see it), and, of course, integration into Commons... ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
Oh, I misread that. Disregard. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:13 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Lion in a more amusing coinage was to Michael a noble deer (jalopeura), going with the color of the pelt despite the fact that lions are hardly ruminants. Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen Not to mention the cats not cattle thing. A pride versus a herd is a world of difference in the realm of collective connotation. -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
Samuel Klein meta...@... writes: I'd like to see such translation tools used to enhance the tags used to identify an image, so that all internet searches can find images by those tags. I think this stuff should be left for Google. A clever search engine should be able to figure out that if you are looking for Pferd images, horse images will also be of interest; and Google is getting clever quickly in this regard. (For example, recently Google web search has been offering to translate the search phrase to English, and translate the results back to you.) OTOH, it would be a nice feature to show translated page and category names when someone looks at the page with the interface language set to non-English. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation
One thing we can do would be to make contributors' names more visible. Translators for WMF stuff too (Ting Chen made a good point about the latter in Alexandria). Many websites gives clear credits to contributors - not only for-profit media, but websites whose content is mainly written by volunteers, like Global Online. In TED related translations, their translators' names are on the same webpage of video or transcript, and much visible than in MediaWiki history pages. On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, I agree that thanking someone for their service to WMF projects is important, too. We need to do more to recognize the invaluable contributions that we people make to keep the various projects going. But, in addition to giving encouragement though thanks and recognition, I support introducing social features into our projects. The main benefit and focus for the on site features would be the ability for people with similar interests to connect with each other as they work together on site. See the list of ideas from the strategic planning process. http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Recommendations/Community_health_1Volunteer recognition http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Recommendations/Community_health_4Social features Sydney On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Marc Riddell michaeldavi...@comcast.netwrote: Sydney, I agree with your thoughts here. But you are talking about activities community members can participate in. I am talking about how those community members interact with each other. Marc on 6/19/10 5:58 PM, Sydney Poore at sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: English Wikipedia has numerous contests during the year. Some people regularly participate in them and enjoy them. Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Contest is an example of one that is ongoing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MILCON Picture of the year is popular with some people on Commons. While everyone does not want to be involved in contests, they appeal to some people and I see no problem with us introducing more of them in WMF projects to see if they will draw people into the movement. I feel the same way about encouraging new ways to get different groups of people involved with WMF projects. If gaming can be used to promote an interest in WMF then that is goodness. Puzzles, board games, and even more complex fantasy games using content might be a draw for some people. If someone wants to develop them I would not stand in there way. Combining community service and socializing is very common in community organizations, and is appealing to many people. By adding more social components to WMF projects, we will most likely draw in people that otherwise would not volunteer. I see this as an important tool and one that should not be dismissed if we are going to broaden the base of our volunteers. Sydney Poore (FloNight) On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Marc Riddell michaeldavi...@comcast.netwrote: on 6/19/10 4:58 PM, Keegan Peterzell at keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote: snip. There was a great TED speech that I need to look up but don't have the time for at the moment. The premise of the presentation is that studies have shown time and time again that things like games, prizes, awards and other measures of gratitude are only temporary measures to increase motivation. The folks that work for you that are the truly motivated ones and believers in the process do not ask for these rewards. A pat on the back and a good job, thanks for your work because I value it very much occasionally is the only true recognition that is needed. The other fluff only inspires distraction from the goal because it's creating other little goals which, in turn, become more important than the end result. Yes! Prizes denote direct competition as in sports or, more subtly, with the science arts awards. Person-to-person affirmation goes a very long way; and is what collaboration community should be based upon. Give them the climate, and they will give you the culture. Marc Riddell ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- KIZU
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Tisza Gergo gti...@gmail.com wrote: Samuel Klein meta...@... writes: I'd like to see such translation tools used to enhance the tags used to identify an image, so that all internet searches can find images by those tags. I think this stuff should be left for Google. A clever search engine should be able to figure out that if you are looking for Pferd images, horse images will also be of interest; and Google is getting clever quickly in this regard. (For example, recently Google web search has been offering to translate the search phrase to English, and translate the results back to you.) OTOH, it would be a nice feature to show translated page and category names when someone looks at the page with the interface language set to non-English. OK, technical solution (hackish as usual, but with potential IMHO): http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Searchsearch=Pferd+SchachwithJS=MediaWiki:SearchTranslation.js Basically, this will (on the search page only!) look at the last query run (the one currently in the edit box), check several language editions of Wikipedia for articles from the individual words (in this case, Pferd and Schach), count how many exist, pick the language with the most hits (in this case, German), and put a link to link to Nikola's tool under the search box. The link pre-fills the source language and query in the tool, which automatically opens the appropriate search page. In essence, clicking on the link gets you to the toolserver and back to the search, this time in English, without you noticing. I am checking all the languages the Nikola's tool offers (so no Estonian), except English (no point, really). Experimenting, I noticed that even if your original query got you some results (e.g. Schaufel=47), the translation in English will give you more (Shovel=484). I tried to restrict the language search for the languages accepted by the browser (so, using 1 or 2 queries instead of 32), but there appears to be no way in JavaScript to get that information. MediaWiki could pass it on, though... Feel free to improve! Cheers, Magnus ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
Magnus Manske magnusman...@... writes: Basically, this will (on the search page only!) look at the last query run (the one currently in the edit box), check several language editions of Wikipedia for articles from the individual words (in this case, Pferd and Schach), count how many exist, pick the language with the most hits (in this case, German), and put a link to link to Nikola's tool under the search box. The link pre-fills the source language and query in the tool, which automatically opens the appropriate search page. Again, I would suggest using Google (or an alternative with open data, if one exists) instead of trying to reinvent the wheel: http://translate.google.com/#auto|en|Pferd%20Schach http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxlanguage/documentation/#Detect It might support less languages then we have wikipedias for, but I'm pretty sure it would give better results for the major ones. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Tisza Gergo gti...@gmail.com wrote: Magnus Manske magnusman...@... writes: Basically, this will (on the search page only!) look at the last query run (the one currently in the edit box), check several language editions of Wikipedia for articles from the individual words (in this case, Pferd and Schach), count how many exist, pick the language with the most hits (in this case, German), and put a link to link to Nikola's tool under the search box. The link pre-fills the source language and query in the tool, which automatically opens the appropriate search page. Again, I would suggest using Google (or an alternative with open data, if one exists) instead of trying to reinvent the wheel: http://translate.google.com/#auto|en|Pferd%20Schach http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxlanguage/documentation/#Detect It might support less languages then we have wikipedias for, but I'm pretty sure it would give better results for the major ones. Well, that's what I suggested a few mails ago in this very thread. However, people didn't seem to want it. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
Like I said before, If I can get some template support on commons, Ive got a translation tool that uses one of googles APIs for translating. I just need some assistance with figuring out how to best integrate it into commons. But I do have a on demand mass translation tool. John On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Tisza Gergo gti...@gmail.com wrote: Magnus Manske magnusman...@... writes: Basically, this will (on the search page only!) look at the last query run (the one currently in the edit box), check several language editions of Wikipedia for articles from the individual words (in this case, Pferd and Schach), count how many exist, pick the language with the most hits (in this case, German), and put a link to link to Nikola's tool under the search box. The link pre-fills the source language and query in the tool, which automatically opens the appropriate search page. Again, I would suggest using Google (or an alternative with open data, if one exists) instead of trying to reinvent the wheel: http://translate.google.com/#auto|en|Pferd%20Schachhttp://translate.google.com/#auto%7Cen%7CPferd%20Schach http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxlanguage/documentation/#Detect It might support less languages then we have wikipedias for, but I'm pretty sure it would give better results for the major ones. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Aphaia aph...@gmail.com wrote: One thing we can do would be to make contributors' names more visible. Translators for WMF stuff too (Ting Chen made a good point about the latter in Alexandria). Many websites gives clear credits to contributors - not only for-profit media, but websites whose content is mainly written by volunteers, like Global Online. In TED related translations, their translators' names are on the same webpage of video or transcript, and much visible than in MediaWiki history pages. I think that would be a great idea, although it does have some nuts and bolts - some way or another, one will have to filter out those who did just minor edits, for example, or people who do not want their edits to be named. Then again, the strength of our system is that our system doesn't need to be perfect, if it's community-editable things will probably work out quite reasonable. I myself would be much in favor of it, and if I did not fear the that's not how we do things and that's unwiki crowd, I might even have considered doing a test with it. -- André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
On 23 June 2010 15:34, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Tisza Gergo gti...@gmail.com wrote: Magnus Manske magnusman...@... writes: Basically, this will (on the search page only!) look at the last query run (the one currently in the edit box), check several language Again, I would suggest using Google (or an alternative with open data, if one exists) instead of trying to reinvent the wheel: Well, that's what I suggested a few mails ago in this very thread. However, people didn't seem to want it. Reliance on Google for what is really an essential function for those who aren't native English speakers is problematic because it's (a) third-party (b) closed. Same reason we don't use reCaptcha. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Gmail - List messages flagged as spam
On 19 June 2010 19:00, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Ryan Lomonaco wrote: A housekeeping note: Gmail has been marking some list messages as spam for the past five days or so. Google is evil. Your message ended up in my Gmail spam ;-p - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation
Дана Saturday 19 June 2010 08:37:37 Milos Rancic написа: On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: Дана Saturday 19 June 2010 07:37:18 Milos Rancic написа: On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: Or perhaps we don't even have to build one, but just use the existing ones. [People are always against making Wikipedia a social network.] Have RSS feeds of articles you created/pictures you uploaded. These could then be connected to Facebook or wherever for your friends to see what are you working on. Then you are using Facebook, not Wikimedia. And Flickr is much better for private photos than Wikimedia. Then your Facebook friends will see that you are doing interesting things on Wikipedia projects and will want to do them too. I don't think that it is particularly interesting to see someone's edits. If you are not a passionate Wikimedian, of course. If your friends are so disinterested in Wikipedia that they aren't even interested in your contributions to it, why would they be interested in using Wikipedia as their social network? Anyway, I made this so anyone who would like to experiment, can. http://toolserver.org/~nikola/snrss.php ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
Дана Wednesday 23 June 2010 10:13:39 Magnus Manske написа: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: On 06/22/2010 08:07 PM, Magnus Manske wrote: Here's a thought: Enter hobu into translate.google.com, leave source language on automatic and target on English, and it will happily translate it into horse. Could we offer a translation link in search? As in, translate my query into English and try again? I'm sure we can come to an arrangement with Google (or someone else). I already made something similar: http://toolserver.org/~nikola/mis.php Nice! Now it needs language auto-detect, and Estonian for the example (unless I didn't see it), and, of course, integration into Commons... All done, and I leave the integration to someone who knows how to navigate the community's labyrinths. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
Дана Wednesday 23 June 2010 16:34:26 Magnus Manske написа: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Tisza Gergo gti...@gmail.com wrote: Again, I would suggest using Google (or an alternative with open data, if one exists) instead of trying to reinvent the wheel: http://translate.google.com/#auto|en|Pferd%20Schach http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxlanguage/documentation/#Detect It might support less languages then we have wikipedias for, but I'm pretty sure it would give better results for the major ones. Well, that's what I suggested a few mails ago in this very thread. However, people didn't seem to want it. This tool of mine does use Google Translate, so probably it could be done in Javascript fully, if someone knows how. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
On 23 Jun 2010, at 16:23, David Gerard wrote: Reliance on Google for what is really an essential function for those who aren't native English speakers is problematic because it's (a) third-party (b) closed. Same reason we don't use reCaptcha. I always think than not using reCaptcha is a shame, as it's a nice way to get people to proofread text in a reasonably efficient way. It would be really nice if someone could create something similar that proofreads OCR'd text from Wikisource... hint, hint. Mike ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
On 23 Jun 2010, at 16:23, David Gerard wrote: Reliance on Google for what is really an essential function for those who aren't native English speakers is problematic because it's (a) third-party (b) closed. Same reason we don't use reCaptcha. On the other hand, do we have to really _rely_ on reCaptcha? If their servers aren't working, use the ordinary captcha. Proofread books and still not rely on any external servers. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
--- El mié 23-jun-10, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net escribió: I always think than not using reCaptcha is a shame, as it's a nice way to get people to proofread text in a reasonably efficient way. It would be really nice if someone could create something similar that proofreads OCR'd text from Wikisource... hint, hint. And how do you decide that what was entered is wrong or right? Better take a look at Project Gutemberg's Distributed Proofreaders[1]. Cheers, MarianoC.- [1] http://pgdp.net ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Wikisource and reCAPTCHA
(Renaming the subject as we've changed topic) On 23 Jun 2010, at 21:31, Mariano Cecowski wrote: --- El mié 23-jun-10, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net escribió: I always think than not using reCaptcha is a shame, as it's a nice way to get people to proofread text in a reasonably efficient way. It would be really nice if someone could create something similar that proofreads OCR'd text from Wikisource... hint, hint. And how do you decide that what was entered is wrong or right? Better take a look at Project Gutemberg's Distributed Proofreaders[1]. Cheers, MarianoC.- [1] http://pgdp.net My understanding is that original text within the reCAPTCHA is shown to several different people; if they agree then the word is counted as correct. Looking at the Wikipedia article, it's a little more complex than that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReCAPTCHA There's a reason why there are two words to solve during a reCAPTCHA. What Distributed Proofreaders can do, Wikisource can do - but in a Wiki environment. If you haven't checked out the proofreading features that Wikisource now has, I would encourage you to give them a go, e.g. at: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Frederic_Shoberl_-_Persia.djvu/92 Mike ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: Дана Saturday 19 June 2010 08:37:37 Milos Rancic написа: I don't think that it is particularly interesting to see someone's edits. If you are not a passionate Wikimedian, of course. If your friends are so disinterested in Wikipedia that they aren't even interested in your contributions to it, why would they be interested in using Wikipedia as their social network? I am not interested in my own edits. They are very boring. I don't have any especial interest in, let's say, Mardetanha's edits at fa.wp as I don't know Persian. However, he is my friend and I am interested in what is going with him. I can inform myself about him at Facebook or at Twitter, but I could do that at Wikimedia, too. Which means that I could spend much more time on Wikimedia and probably to make some fix or a little bigger edit anywhere. Instead, I am just doing my bureaucratic tasks, while I am socializing at some other place. Which gives my content there, not to Wikimedia. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Gmail - List messages flagged as spam
Listing some? they did not get delivered at all. -Peachey ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
