Re: [Foundation-l] Random factoid
Good. On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Asaf Bartov asaf.bar...@gmail.com wrote: The study found that the nation's 50 top websites on average installed 64 pieces of tracking technology onto the computers of visitors, usually with no warning. A dozen sites each installed more than a hundred. The nonprofit Wikipedia installed none. -- http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703940904575395073512989404.html -- Asaf Bartov asaf.bar...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Why should Wikimedians meet?
On 7/31/10 5:21 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: I am thinking about making Wikimania 2011 as awesome as possible and here's a little something that bothered me. Wikimania 2010 was my first. It was a lot of fun to meet Wikimedians from around the world. I also think that a lot of new ideas were born thanks to the personal meetings in Gdansk, at least some of which may grow to successful projects. Maybe it will be smarter use of machine translation, maybe outreach to underprivileged languages, maybe accessibility improvements. Maybe other things. But all of the above are nice dreams about the future. Is there any proven experience from the past that demonstrates why personal meetings between Wikimedians are not just fun for them, but actually beneficial to the Wikimedia community, the Internet, the Humanity? Can anyone here give me solid examples of successful projects that were born thanks to past Wikimanias? Children... I know that for a fact :) Delphine met Arne whilst going to Germany to prepare first Wikimania ever. Look now: two children. Our future :) Ant ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Banner ads in sitenotice
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:43 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Job adverts? Really?. Site notice is for critical stuff (fund raising, servers about to explode) even if you play with the notice to only appear ~%10 of the time. Personally I was quite pleased to see it. It can only add to the number of applicants, which I think is a good thing. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Why should Wikimedians meet?
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 09:58, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: On 7/31/10 5:21 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: I am thinking about making Wikimania 2011 as awesome as possible and here's a little something that bothered me. Wikimania 2010 was my first. It was a lot of fun to meet Wikimedians from around the world. I also think that a lot of new ideas were born thanks to the personal meetings in Gdansk, at least some of which may grow to successful projects. Maybe it will be smarter use of machine translation, maybe outreach to underprivileged languages, maybe accessibility improvements. Maybe other things. But all of the above are nice dreams about the future. Is there any proven experience from the past that demonstrates why personal meetings between Wikimedians are not just fun for them, but actually beneficial to the Wikimedia community, the Internet, the Humanity? Can anyone here give me solid examples of successful projects that were born thanks to past Wikimanias? Children... I know that for a fact :) Delphine met Arne whilst going to Germany to prepare first Wikimania ever. Look now: two children. Our future :) * A fix for a missing patrolling feature for the Dutch wikipedia in 2005, Frankfurt; mainly because I met people who 'figuratively' held my hands while figuring out how to fix the last part. * for years, wikimania gave me the energy to do things again henna -- Maybe you knew early on that your track went from point A to B, but unlike you I wasn't given a map at birth! Alyssa, Chasing Amy ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Banner ads in sitenotice
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:43 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Job adverts? Really?. Site notice is for critical stuff (fund raising, servers about to explode) even if you play with the notice to only appear ~%10 of the time. Personally I was quite pleased to see it. It can only add to the number of applicants, which I think is a good thing. Everybody has known for a long time that long-term Wikimedia contributors are far more sensitive to Foundation imposition of visual clutter than the average person. We can only hope that some day we all become just as sensitised to the clutter we put on the site ourselves ;-). -- Andrew Garrett http://werdn.us/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] RfC: Global Arbitration Committee
We are not discussing how to choose members of DRC [1]. [1] - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Dispute_resolution_committee#Further_discussion ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] RfC: Global Arbitration Committee
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: We are not discussing how to choose members of DRC [1]. [1] - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Dispute_resolution_committee#Further_discussion 'not' = 'now' ? -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] RfC: Global Arbitration Committee
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 2:39 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: We are not discussing how to choose members of DRC [1]. [1] - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Dispute_resolution_committee#Further_discussion 'not' = 'now' ? Yes :) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Banner ads in sitenotice
Apparently long-time Wikimedia contributors are also far more sensitive to Foundation imposition of /less/ visual clutter as well, judging by the reaction to the Vector rollout. Perhaps we could just say that long-term Wikimedia contributors are just more sensitive ;) Ryan Kaldari On 8/2/10 5:11 AM, Andrew Garrett wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Bod Notbodbodnot...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:43 PM, genigeni...@gmail.com wrote: Job adverts? Really?. Site notice is for critical stuff (fund raising, servers about to explode) even if you play with the notice to only appear ~%10 of the time. Personally I was quite pleased to see it. It can only add to the number of applicants, which I think is a good thing. Everybody has known for a long time that long-term Wikimedia contributors are far more sensitive to Foundation imposition of visual clutter than the average person. We can only hope that some day we all become just as sensitised to the clutter we put on the site ourselves ;-). ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Banner ads in sitenotice
While I appreciate the comments about people being overly sensitive, I do think it is still true that we should avoid unnecessary clutter. With that in mind, I would like to mention that I don't really like the big empty box approach. On my screen it looks like the banner is about 3.5 times the height of the text, and this feels rather excessive to me. It seems plausible to me that a bigger banner would have a higher click-through rate, though I don't know of any Wikipedia specific evidence to verify that. Even if that is true though, presumably one could have a smaller banner coupled to a longer campaign and accomplish the same effect as a big banner with a shorter campaign. Personally, I think it would feel less imposing and more friendly to have a smaller banner than ran longer. That's just my two cents. -Robert Rohde ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Banner ads in sitenotice
Er, I mean: I think it would feel less imposing and more friendly to have a smaller banner THAT ran longer. Silly typo. -Robert Rohde ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Community Hiring banner
Hi all, Just wanted to report back on the Work at Wikimedia banners that ran on the site the last few days. The idea behind them was to uncover talent for the community department that doesn't necessarily haunt the usual places. We specifically wanted to reach out to people who used the projects, that had new, interesting, or well developed and thought-out ideas for the community department. We knew the banner usage was a little unusual but honestly believed that we'd cast a wider net and turn up some interesting candidates for positions in the community department. I'm pleased to say that we're thrilled with the results. After a few days of running the banner at a relatively low display percentage, we have more than 1500 submissions, many of which are very interesting. It's obviously going to take us some time to look through them, but from our perspective, the banners did what we wanted them to do. With all that said, the comments about the opportunity cost of running those banners on the world's fifth most-viewed web properties is an important one. It's one that we explored and will continue to explore. You may have noticed that we actually tried out two different sizes of banners, as well. I don't have any numbers yet to report as to whether the smaller size of the later banners made a different in the number or quality of the applicants; it's just too early to know. While I'm about to turn off the banners, we want to continue to encourage people to go to the application page ( http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:CommunityHiring ), since we're actually turning the banners off in advance of the deadline that we set. However, we continue to look for talented people, and the community hiring page will stay live for the immediate future. Thanks, everyone, for your feedback during this trial. Please look for people that would be interested in sending us their information for jobs in the community department. Best, Philippe Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation phili...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Banner ads in sitenotice
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:37 AM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Apparently long-time Wikimedia contributors are also far more sensitive to Foundation imposition of /less/ visual clutter as well, judging by the reaction to the Vector rollout. Perhaps we could just say that long-term Wikimedia contributors are just more sensitive ;) Ryan Kaldari Yes! because comparing three inch highish We Want you to work here messages with a completely empty large box enclosing it, is the same thing as a skin roll out. -Peachey ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation
It is with deep regret that I tell you I will be leaving the staff of the Wikimedia Foundation at the end of December. I'm leaving the staff, but I will continue to be involved with the Wikimedia movement as a volunteer, both as a contributor and in the organization of the annual Wikimania conference. Much of my work with Wikimedia will continue, except now I will be doing it as a volunteer rather than as a paid staff person. The Wikimedia Foundation is not planning to hire another volunteer coordinator to look after the specific range of work I've been doing, so if you are unsure about who will handle things I have been responsible for, please feel free to ask me, and we'll work it out over the next several months. I have decided to continue my education and have begun the process of enrolling in post-graduate studies to pursue a theological path that I've been considering for many years. I have very much enjoyed my time with the Wikimedia Foundation, and I look forward to continuing to work alongside you all, as a Wikimedia volunteer. I enjoy working with each and every one of you. Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation
Hi Cary, Thank you for everything you've done for the Foundation, the projects, but also the chapters. I will definitely miss you. Best wishes for your new degree. Sebastian On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Cary Bass c...@wikimedia.org wrote: It is with deep regret that I tell you I will be leaving the staff of the Wikimedia Foundation at the end of December. I'm leaving the staff, but I will continue to be involved with the Wikimedia movement as a volunteer, both as a contributor and in the organization of the annual Wikimania conference. Much of my work with Wikimedia will continue, except now I will be doing it as a volunteer rather than as a paid staff person. The Wikimedia Foundation is not planning to hire another volunteer coordinator to look after the specific range of work I've been doing, so if you are unsure about who will handle things I have been responsible for, please feel free to ask me, and we'll work it out over the next several months. I have decided to continue my education and have begun the process of enrolling in post-graduate studies to pursue a theological path that I've been considering for many years. I have very much enjoyed my time with the Wikimedia Foundation, and I look forward to continuing to work alongside you all, as a Wikimedia volunteer. I enjoy working with each and every one of you. Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation
On 2 August 2010 23:01, Cary Bass c...@wikimedia.org wrote: It is with deep regret that I tell you I will be leaving the staff of the Wikimedia Foundation at the end of December. I'm very sorry to hear this! I'm not sure how the Foundation is going to survive without you... thank you enormously for everything you have done over the years for the Wikimedia movement and for me personally. The best of luck for the future! ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation
It won't. We're doomed. Cary was the glue that held everything together! /me sobs On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 15:05, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 August 2010 23:01, Cary Bass c...@wikimedia.org wrote: It is with deep regret that I tell you I will be leaving the staff of the Wikimedia Foundation at the end of December. I'm very sorry to hear this! I'm not sure how the Foundation is going to survive without you... thank you enormously for everything you have done over the years for the Wikimedia movement and for me personally. The best of luck for the future! ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Jon [[User:ShakataGaNai]] / KJ6FNQ http://snowulf.com/ http://ipv6wiki.net/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Cary Bass c...@wikimedia.org wrote: It is with deep regret that I tell you I will be leaving the staff of the Wikimedia Foundation at the end of December. I'm leaving the staff, but I will continue to be involved with the Wikimedia movement as a volunteer, both as a contributor and in the organization of the annual Wikimania conference. Much of my work with Wikimedia will continue, except now I will be doing it as a volunteer rather than as a paid staff person. The Wikimedia Foundation is not planning to hire another volunteer coordinator to look after the specific range of work I've been doing, so if you are unsure about who will handle things I have been responsible for, please feel free to ask me, and we'll work it out over the next several months. I have decided to continue my education and have begun the process of enrolling in post-graduate studies to pursue a theological path that I've been considering for many years. I have very much enjoyed my time with the Wikimedia Foundation, and I look forward to continuing to work alongside you all, as a Wikimedia volunteer. I enjoy working with each and every one of you. Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation Ack! But, congratulations, and best wishes on your future education and path. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation
I've enjoyed working with you on a few projects and learning about the Foundation from you, and the couple chances I've had to see you in person have always been fun. Thanks, Cary. -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation
On 08/03/2010 02:01 AM, Cary Bass wrote: It is with deep regret that I tell you I will be leaving the staff of the Wikimedia Foundation at the end of December. Cary, You just managed to write the first mailing list post that ever managed to shock me deeply. I do not think I'm able to express my appreciation for your work; you are invaluable. Good luck with theology. Victor Vasiliev Grateful Volunteer Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation
Thank you for all you have done, and the very best of wish for all your future endeavours. KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation
Cary, Hopefully, your successor will be even a fraction of you, in every way. Dan Rosenthal On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Kwan Ting Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: Thank you for all you have done, and the very best of wish for all your future endeavours. KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation
Cary, you'll be missed. The WMF absolutely should try to replace you, although I doubt they'll find someone who can do the job as well as you have done. Good luck going back to school, and maybe you can get into editing some of the articles about Levant religions on the English Wikipedia... I hear its a gentle, welcoming environment! Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation
Cary, it is very nice to read you are returning to your studies, but we will miss you. Really. Good luck and hope to see you soon. Un abrazo! Patricio -- Patricio Lorente Mensajería Instantánea: patricio_lore...@jabber.org Blog: http://www.patriciolorente.com.ar ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation
On 2 August 2010 23:51, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Cary, you'll be missed. The WMF absolutely should try to replace you, although I doubt they'll find someone who can do the job as well as you have done. Just to clarify, my understanding is that the plan is to replace Cary with multiple people, which has to be the only possible way forward! ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation
This shocked me :/ Will you be in the office the week of Aug 30th when I visit? Cary Bass-4 wrote: It is with deep regret that I tell you I will be leaving the staff of the Wikimedia Foundation at the end of December. I'm leaving the staff, but I will continue to be involved with the Wikimedia movement as a volunteer, both as a contributor and in the organization of the annual Wikimania conference. Much of my work with Wikimedia will continue, except now I will be doing it as a volunteer rather than as a paid staff person. The Wikimedia Foundation is not planning to hire another volunteer coordinator to look after the specific range of work I've been doing, so if you are unsure about who will handle things I have been responsible for, please feel free to ask me, and we'll work it out over the next several months. I have decided to continue my education and have begun the process of enrolling in post-graduate studies to pursue a theological path that I've been considering for many years. I have very much enjoyed my time with the Wikimedia Foundation, and I look forward to continuing to work alongside you all, as a Wikimedia volunteer. I enjoy working with each and every one of you. Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Announcing-my-departure-from-the-Wikimedia-Foundation-tp29330167p29330882.html Sent from the WikiMedia Foundation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Community Hiring banner
Philippe Beaudette wrote: With all that said, the comments about the opportunity cost of running those banners on the world's fifth most-viewed web properties is an important one. It's one that we explored and will continue to explore. You may have noticed that we actually tried out two different sizes of banners, as well. I don't have any numbers yet to report as to whether the smaller size of the later banners made a different in the number or quality of the applicants; it's just too early to know. As the person responsible for the latest banners, I look forward to your input at the ongoing RFC concerning their use.[1] MZMcBride [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Global_banners ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Banner ads in sitenotice
Ryan Kaldari wrote: Apparently long-time Wikimedia contributors are also far more sensitive to Foundation imposition of /less/ visual clutter as well, judging by the reaction to the Vector rollout. Perhaps we could just say that long-term Wikimedia contributors are just more sensitive ;) A lot of the complaints I heard regarding the Vector rollout were based in the fact that the Wikimedia Usability team has subverted and bastardized the term usability in an attempt to impose purely aesthetic choices on the broader community. And in some cases, the Vector skin has demonstrably made the site less usable for long-term Wikimedia contributors. To each his own, though. MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Banner ads in sitenotice
On 8/2/2010 6:12 PM, MZMcBride wrote: A lot of the complaints I heard regarding the Vector rollout were based in the fact that the Wikimedia Usability team has subverted and bastardized the term usability in an attempt to impose purely aesthetic choices on the broader community. This reads to me like you're trying to start a fight with the Usability team, and I don't rightly cotton to that idea. The team is comprised of many people, all with different opinions to be sure - but they are all *dedicated to the mission.* So you should assume good faith, even if you disagree. And in some cases, the Vector skin has demonstrably made the site less usable for long-term Wikimedia contributors. I haven't seen any studies or data that supports this claim but I'd be very interested in seeing this demonstrated. It is possible for long-term or power-users of Wikimedia software to change the skin they use if they find serious fault with Vector. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Banner ads in sitenotice
in an attempt to impose purely aesthetic choices on the broader community. Impose? You know it can be turned off, right? On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:32 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 8/2/2010 6:12 PM, MZMcBride wrote: A lot of the complaints I heard regarding the Vector rollout were based in the fact that the Wikimedia Usability team has subverted and bastardized the term usability in an attempt to impose purely aesthetic choices on the broader community. This reads to me like you're trying to start a fight with the Usability team, and I don't rightly cotton to that idea. The team is comprised of many people, all with different opinions to be sure - but they are all *dedicated to the mission.* So you should assume good faith, even if you disagree. And in some cases, the Vector skin has demonstrably made the site less usable for long-term Wikimedia contributors. I haven't seen any studies or data that supports this claim but I'd be very interested in seeing this demonstrated. It is possible for long-term or power-users of Wikimedia software to change the skin they use if they find serious fault with Vector. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation
Cary Bass wrote: I'm leaving the staff, but I will continue to be involved with the Wikimedia movement as a volunteer, both as a contributor and in the organization of the annual Wikimania conference. Much of my work with Wikimedia will continue, except now I will be doing it as a volunteer rather than as a paid staff person. Then we can expect to meet again in Haifa! I have decided to continue my education and have begun the process of enrolling in post-graduate studies to pursue a theological path that I've been considering for many years. Becoming a Holy Bass could leave you vulnerable to trolling on Fish Wrangler. Good luck. Ray ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Push translation
Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: Interestingly, I have had a completely opposite experiences. When reading a Google translation, it is easy for me to decipher what does it mean even if it is not gramatically correct. When translating, I often hang on deciding what sentence structure to use, or on remembering how a specific words translates. GTT solves both problems. My estimate is that I retain half and rewrite half of every sentence it produces. Good points. The real purpose and functionality of GTT and MTT is not just to base more formal translations on, but to give people a quick look into what people in another language are saying. If people in their own respective languages learn to be more formal and less idiomatic in their writing, they can consider that at least the basic gist of their writing can be suitably read by almost anyone. -SC ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
