[Foundation-l] Wikileaks point ? Re: Wikipedia Executive Director?
On 12/10/10 1:01 AM, Michael Snow wrote: On 12/9/2010 3:28 PM, MZMcBride wrote: Calling Jimmy Wikipedia founder was already incredibly close to crossing the line. Calling Sue Wikipedia Executive Director clearly crosses the line. From reading your posts today, I believe you agree. While I didn't and wouldn't raise the issue of criminality here, the sleazy tactics are in the fundraising approach, not in the criticism. Which line are you talking about here? Crediting Jimmy Wales as a founder of Wikipedia is indisputable. Yes, other people might wish to claim that title as well - based on previous discussions when I was on the Board of Trustees, I don't believe the Wikimedia Foundation takes any position on that, although obviously Jimmy on a personal level does - but none of those other claims can negate Jimmy's. As for referring to Sue as Wikipedia Executive Director, I find it inaccurate and confusing, but I know enough about the staff and the fundraising process to expect that it was the result of well-meaning attempts at communicating concisely with a large audience unfamiliar with our organizational details. Assuming good faith, I think it crossed a line as far as accuracy goes, but being misguided or inartful hardly makes it sleazy. And yes, it is sleazy and underhanded to insinuate things like criminal behavior about other people if you're not willing to commit outright to a set of facts to establish a charge or an accusation that can be defended against. By way of illustration, that is one of the reasons various advocates for a free press, free speech, and other civil libertarians are so outraged at some of the government and corporate tactics that have been used against Wikileaks in the past week or so. --Michael Snow Lately, I have been wondering if - in a similar way than the Godwin point appeared a few years ago - we would not see something like a Wikileaks point appears Something like As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a reference to Wikileaks approaches 1 to refer to the chance of ending up discussing censorship and free speech whilst involved in a debate. What do you think ? Anthere ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?
I'd seriously advocate against this. Citizendium is well known to have major, major problems. You may have heard about the Homeopathy situation, where not only was a dangerous article - it suggested homeopathy be used to treat life-threatening conditions - written by homeopaths, with nary a word of criticism that wasn't immediately rebutted, put on the main page, but Larry Sanger ran around advocating for it. If you want to set up a service for small wiki hosting, it may not be a bad idea, but I wouldn't under any circumstances do it just for Citizendium. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?
Actually, why not just offer Citizendium space on Wikia? Could that be done? On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Adam Cuerden cuer...@gmail.com wrote: I'd seriously advocate against this. Citizendium is well known to have major, major problems. You may have heard about the Homeopathy situation, where not only was a dangerous article - it suggested homeopathy be used to treat life-threatening conditions - written by homeopaths, with nary a word of criticism that wasn't immediately rebutted, put on the main page, but Larry Sanger ran around advocating for it. If you want to set up a service for small wiki hosting, it may not be a bad idea, but I wouldn't under any circumstances do it just for Citizendium. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?
Mind you, the problems remain,... I don't know, I'm flying to America tomorrow, and have been running around for weeks trying to get stuff done, while the UK was under the grip of the worst weather in 50 years. I think that Citizendium is a toxic asset, and Wikipedia almost certainly shouldn't step in. It'd be almost on the level of Wikipedia! Now with added Conservapedia! On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Adam Cuerden cuer...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, why not just offer Citizendium space on Wikia? Could that be done? On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Adam Cuerden cuer...@gmail.com wrote: I'd seriously advocate against this. Citizendium is well known to have major, major problems. You may have heard about the Homeopathy situation, where not only was a dangerous article - it suggested homeopathy be used to treat life-threatening conditions - written by homeopaths, with nary a word of criticism that wasn't immediately rebutted, put on the main page, but Larry Sanger ran around advocating for it. If you want to set up a service for small wiki hosting, it may not be a bad idea, but I wouldn't under any circumstances do it just for Citizendium. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?
On 14 December 2010 09:41, Adam Cuerden cuer...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, why not just offer Citizendium space on Wikia? Could that be done? That's not really a discussion for this mailing list. I'm not sure CZ would accept such an offer even if it were made, though. Accepting help from Wikipedia would be bad enough for them, but doing something that would make money for Larry's nemesis' commercial venture would probably make their head's explode! (Although support for Larry does seem to have diminished now some harsh truths have come to light.) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikileaks point ? Re: Wikipedia Executive Director?
You can claim to call it Devouard's Law, if preferable. On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: On 12/10/10 1:01 AM, Michael Snow wrote: On 12/9/2010 3:28 PM, MZMcBride wrote: Calling Jimmy Wikipedia founder was already incredibly close to crossing the line. Calling Sue Wikipedia Executive Director clearly crosses the line. From reading your posts today, I believe you agree. While I didn't and wouldn't raise the issue of criminality here, the sleazy tactics are in the fundraising approach, not in the criticism. Which line are you talking about here? Crediting Jimmy Wales as a founder of Wikipedia is indisputable. Yes, other people might wish to claim that title as well - based on previous discussions when I was on the Board of Trustees, I don't believe the Wikimedia Foundation takes any position on that, although obviously Jimmy on a personal level does - but none of those other claims can negate Jimmy's. As for referring to Sue as Wikipedia Executive Director, I find it inaccurate and confusing, but I know enough about the staff and the fundraising process to expect that it was the result of well-meaning attempts at communicating concisely with a large audience unfamiliar with our organizational details. Assuming good faith, I think it crossed a line as far as accuracy goes, but being misguided or inartful hardly makes it sleazy. And yes, it is sleazy and underhanded to insinuate things like criminal behavior about other people if you're not willing to commit outright to a set of facts to establish a charge or an accusation that can be defended against. By way of illustration, that is one of the reasons various advocates for a free press, free speech, and other civil libertarians are so outraged at some of the government and corporate tactics that have been used against Wikileaks in the past week or so. --Michael Snow Lately, I have been wondering if - in a similar way than the Godwin point appeared a few years ago - we would not see something like a Wikileaks point appears Something like As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a reference to Wikileaks approaches 1 to refer to the chance of ending up discussing censorship and free speech whilst involved in a debate. What do you think ? Anthere ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! This is exciting, because there is lots of article history in here which was assumed to be lost forever. I've long been interested in Wikipedia's history, and I've tried in the past to locate such backups. I asked various people who might have had one. I had given up hope. The history of particularly old Wikipedia articles, as seen in the present Wikipedia database, is incomplete, due to Usemod's policy of deleting old revisions of pages after about a month. The script which Brion wrote to import the article histories from UseMod to MediaWiki only fetched those revisions which hadn't been purged yet. I didn't want to believe that those revisions had been lost forever, and I even opened the UseMod source code and stared forlornly at the unlink() call. What I (and Brion before) missed is that UseMod appends a record of every change made to two files, called diff_log and rclog. In these two files is a record of every change made to Wikipedia from January 15 to August 17, 2001. I've put the two log files up on the web, at: http://noc.wikimedia.org/~tstarling/wikipedia-logs-2001-08-17.7z The 7-zip archive is only 8.4MB -- much more manageable than today's backups. rclog contains IP addresses. The Usemod software made IP addresses of logged-in users public, so the people who made these edits had no expectation that their IP address would be kept private. That, coupled with the passage of time, makes me think that no harm to user privacy can come from releasing these files. -- Tim Starling ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
That's fantastic news, and just in time for the 10th anniversary too, when I'm sure the early days of Wikipedia will be in the limelight. Great find Tim! Would it be at all possible to import these into the current system? I know someone was importing edits from the Nostalgia wiki. It would be wonderful to finally have a complete article history. Pete / the wub On 14 December 2010 15:54, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! This is exciting, because there is lots of article history in here which was assumed to be lost forever. I've long been interested in Wikipedia's history, and I've tried in the past to locate such backups. I asked various people who might have had one. I had given up hope. The history of particularly old Wikipedia articles, as seen in the present Wikipedia database, is incomplete, due to Usemod's policy of deleting old revisions of pages after about a month. The script which Brion wrote to import the article histories from UseMod to MediaWiki only fetched those revisions which hadn't been purged yet. I didn't want to believe that those revisions had been lost forever, and I even opened the UseMod source code and stared forlornly at the unlink() call. What I (and Brion before) missed is that UseMod appends a record of every change made to two files, called diff_log and rclog. In these two files is a record of every change made to Wikipedia from January 15 to August 17, 2001. I've put the two log files up on the web, at: http://noc.wikimedia.org/~tstarling/wikipedia-logs-2001-08-17.7z The 7-zip archive is only 8.4MB -- much more manageable than today's backups. rclog contains IP addresses. The Usemod software made IP addresses of logged-in users public, so the people who made these edits had no expectation that their IP address would be kept private. That, coupled with the passage of time, makes me think that no harm to user privacy can come from releasing these files. -- Tim Starling ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! This is exciting, because there is lots of article history in here which was assumed to be lost forever. I've long been interested in Wikipedia's history, and I've tried in the past to locate such backups. I asked various people who might have had one. I had given up hope. The history of particularly old Wikipedia articles, as seen in the present Wikipedia database, is incomplete, due to Usemod's policy of deleting old revisions of pages after about a month. The script which Brion wrote to import the article histories from UseMod to MediaWiki only fetched those revisions which hadn't been purged yet. I didn't want to believe that those revisions had been lost forever, and I even opened the UseMod source code and stared forlornly at the unlink() call. What I (and Brion before) missed is that UseMod appends a record of every change made to two files, called diff_log and rclog. In these two files is a record of every change made to Wikipedia from January 15 to August 17, 2001. I've put the two log files up on the web, at: http://noc.wikimedia.org/~tstarling/wikipedia-logs-2001-08-17.7z The 7-zip archive is only 8.4MB -- much more manageable than today's backups. rclog contains IP addresses. The Usemod software made IP addresses of logged-in users public, so the people who made these edits had no expectation that their IP address would be kept private. That, coupled with the passage of time, makes me think that no harm to user privacy can come from releasing these files. -- Tim Starling I have to say this is super cool. It's like digging up a time capsule right before the 10th anniversary. One of my favorite early edits: This is the new WikiPedia! The idea here is to write a complete encyclopedia from scratch, without peer review process, etc. Some people think that this may be a hopeless endeavor, that the result will necessarily suck. We aren't so sure. So, let's get to work! -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
Tim, wonderful news! Thank you for making them publicly available! Of course I immediately downloaded them, and I must have a look at them later this week. Though they are from before I became active (2003) I am very curious if the articles in these files still exist, and how much they changed. teun spaans On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! This is exciting, because there is lots of article history in here which was assumed to be lost forever. I've long been interested in Wikipedia's history, and I've tried in the past to locate such backups. I asked various people who might have had one. I had given up hope. The history of particularly old Wikipedia articles, as seen in the present Wikipedia database, is incomplete, due to Usemod's policy of deleting old revisions of pages after about a month. The script which Brion wrote to import the article histories from UseMod to MediaWiki only fetched those revisions which hadn't been purged yet. I didn't want to believe that those revisions had been lost forever, and I even opened the UseMod source code and stared forlornly at the unlink() call. What I (and Brion before) missed is that UseMod appends a record of every change made to two files, called diff_log and rclog. In these two files is a record of every change made to Wikipedia from January 15 to August 17, 2001. I've put the two log files up on the web, at: http://noc.wikimedia.org/~tstarling/wikipedia-logs-2001-08-17.7zhttp://noc.wikimedia.org/%7Etstarling/wikipedia-logs-2001-08-17.7z The 7-zip archive is only 8.4MB -- much more manageable than today's backups. rclog contains IP addresses. The Usemod software made IP addresses of logged-in users public, so the people who made these edits had no expectation that their IP address would be kept private. That, coupled with the passage of time, makes me think that no harm to user privacy can come from releasing these files. -- Tim Starling ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
Great news indeed! Now I can finally figure out when my first edit was :-) Magnus On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! This is exciting, because there is lots of article history in here which was assumed to be lost forever. I've long been interested in Wikipedia's history, and I've tried in the past to locate such backups. I asked various people who might have had one. I had given up hope. The history of particularly old Wikipedia articles, as seen in the present Wikipedia database, is incomplete, due to Usemod's policy of deleting old revisions of pages after about a month. The script which Brion wrote to import the article histories from UseMod to MediaWiki only fetched those revisions which hadn't been purged yet. I didn't want to believe that those revisions had been lost forever, and I even opened the UseMod source code and stared forlornly at the unlink() call. What I (and Brion before) missed is that UseMod appends a record of every change made to two files, called diff_log and rclog. In these two files is a record of every change made to Wikipedia from January 15 to August 17, 2001. I've put the two log files up on the web, at: http://noc.wikimedia.org/~tstarling/wikipedia-logs-2001-08-17.7z The 7-zip archive is only 8.4MB -- much more manageable than today's backups. rclog contains IP addresses. The Usemod software made IP addresses of logged-in users public, so the people who made these edits had no expectation that their IP address would be kept private. That, coupled with the passage of time, makes me think that no harm to user privacy can come from releasing these files. -- Tim Starling ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
On 12/14/2010 7:54 AM, Tim Starling wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! I guess producing database dumps was easier in those days. Seriously though, this is absolutely fantastic news! --Michael Snow ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
This is fantastic, and the timing could not be better. If anyone finds anything noteworthy, please add it to the timeline of Wikipedia that we're building at the 10th anniversary wiki,[1] as well as the other tools for cataloging interesting tidbits from our history.[2] 1. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline 2. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! This is exciting, because there is lots of article history in here which was assumed to be lost forever. I've long been interested in Wikipedia's history, and I've tried in the past to locate such backups. I asked various people who might have had one. I had given up hope. The history of particularly old Wikipedia articles, as seen in the present Wikipedia database, is incomplete, due to Usemod's policy of deleting old revisions of pages after about a month. The script which Brion wrote to import the article histories from UseMod to MediaWiki only fetched those revisions which hadn't been purged yet. I didn't want to believe that those revisions had been lost forever, and I even opened the UseMod source code and stared forlornly at the unlink() call. What I (and Brion before) missed is that UseMod appends a record of every change made to two files, called diff_log and rclog. In these two files is a record of every change made to Wikipedia from January 15 to August 17, 2001. I've put the two log files up on the web, at: http://noc.wikimedia.org/~tstarling/wikipedia-logs-2001-08-17.7z The 7-zip archive is only 8.4MB -- much more manageable than today's backups. rclog contains IP addresses. The Usemod software made IP addresses of logged-in users public, so the people who made these edits had no expectation that their IP address would be kept private. That, coupled with the passage of time, makes me think that no harm to user privacy can come from releasing these files. -- Tim Starling I have to say this is super cool. It's like digging up a time capsule right before the 10th anniversary. One of my favorite early edits: This is the new WikiPedia! The idea here is to write a complete encyclopedia from scratch, without peer review process, etc. Some people think that this may be a hopeless endeavor, that the result will necessarily suck. We aren't so sure. So, let's get to work! -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:58:02PM +0100, Kim Bruning wrote: Ok, people wanting to run F/L/OSS/Wiki projects with me, send me a mail, and I'll sort things out. If citizendium wants to run on my system then I'll at least give it a try, depending on if their bandwidth requirements are as low as I think they are. (wondering what I'm getting into ;-)) sincerely, Kim Bruning Thanks Kim! I hope the experiment is successful. Let us know how it works out. For those in touch with Citizendium, Kim Bruning is offering to host :) -- Phoebe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! This is exciting, because there is lots of article history in here which was assumed to be lost forever. I've long been interested in Wikipedia's history, and I've tried in the past to locate such backups. I asked various people who might have had one. I had given up hope. The history of particularly old Wikipedia articles, as seen in the present Wikipedia database, is incomplete, due to Usemod's policy of deleting old revisions of pages after about a month. The script which Brion wrote to import the article histories from UseMod to MediaWiki only fetched those revisions which hadn't been purged yet. I didn't want to believe that those revisions had been lost forever, and I even opened the UseMod source code and stared forlornly at the unlink() call. What I (and Brion before) missed is that UseMod appends a record of every change made to two files, called diff_log and rclog. In these two files is a record of every change made to Wikipedia from January 15 to August 17, 2001. I've put the two log files up on the web, at: http://noc.wikimedia.org/~tstarling/wikipedia-logs-2001-08-17.7z The 7-zip archive is only 8.4MB -- much more manageable than today's backups. rclog contains IP addresses. The Usemod software made IP addresses of logged-in users public, so the people who made these edits had no expectation that their IP address would be kept private. That, coupled with the passage of time, makes me think that no harm to user privacy can come from releasing these files. -- Tim Starling AWESOME. This is so cool. I've copied the research list too, since there's many Wikipedia historians that will be eager to see the older versions. I hope we can get them up in a browsable way, like nostalgia.wikipedia.org! -- phoebe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
This is definitely a tremendous asset leading up to our big bday in January. I hope we can extract and post some of the real gems. Thanks for the resourcefulness and the sharing, Tim. On Dec 14, 2010, at 10:04 AM, phoebe ayers wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! This is exciting, because there is lots of article history in here which was assumed to be lost forever. I've long been interested in Wikipedia's history, and I've tried in the past to locate such backups. I asked various people who might have had one. I had given up hope. The history of particularly old Wikipedia articles, as seen in the present Wikipedia database, is incomplete, due to Usemod's policy of deleting old revisions of pages after about a month. The script which Brion wrote to import the article histories from UseMod to MediaWiki only fetched those revisions which hadn't been purged yet. I didn't want to believe that those revisions had been lost forever, and I even opened the UseMod source code and stared forlornly at the unlink() call. What I (and Brion before) missed is that UseMod appends a record of every change made to two files, called diff_log and rclog. In these two files is a record of every change made to Wikipedia from January 15 to August 17, 2001. I've put the two log files up on the web, at: http://noc.wikimedia.org/~tstarling/wikipedia-logs-2001-08-17.7z The 7-zip archive is only 8.4MB -- much more manageable than today's backups. rclog contains IP addresses. The Usemod software made IP addresses of logged-in users public, so the people who made these edits had no expectation that their IP address would be kept private. That, coupled with the passage of time, makes me think that no harm to user privacy can come from releasing these files. -- Tim Starling AWESOME. This is so cool. I've copied the research list too, since there's many Wikipedia historians that will be eager to see the older versions. I hope we can get them up in a browsable way, like nostalgia.wikipedia.org! -- phoebe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Jay Walsh Head of Communications WikimediaFoundation.org blog.wikimedia.org +1 (415) 839 6885 x 609, @jansonw ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?
On 14 December 2010 09:41, Adam Cuerden cuer...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, why not just offer Citizendium space on Wikia? Could that be done? WMF has no control over wikia in any way shape or form. Wikia is separate from us. now on the basis that wikia isn't picky about what it hosts it would probably take Citizendium but wikia is a commercial enterprise and increasing number of wiki communities are starting to feel that their adverts are getting overly intrusive. In practice Citizendium now have enough cash in had that they should be able to solve their immediate hosting issues without needed the help of third parties. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Wikis analysed
Hi, I am thinking of recommending a wiki database to a research project planned at Erfurt University. The group I have to advise is planning to edit late 17th and early 18th century letters of the republic of letters with the aim to reconstruct the flow of ideas and the personal networks that generated this flow. A wiki should be a superb tool for the editing process the project will have to get through. Yet I am more interested in tools we would later on use to analyse our data (we will prabably create pages of individual letters, other pages on authors and topics, and, of course, categories etc.). My question is now: I have seen exploits (yet never taken any notes) that analysed Wikis and gave net-work structures of the interrelated pages and category trees. One such thing was shown here only recently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2010-11-29/News_and_notes ...yet the digest given here would be too vague for our purposes. We would probably have to plan the entire wiki in a way that we could get defiinite pictures of the development of 17th century intellectual networks (how do they spread on the European map? Who is communicating with whom? Who is playing what role in the process?), and of the flow of topics within these networks. Ideas of who would provide technical solutions and give advise on how to create such wiki in a manner that it can be analysed fruitfully, would be most welcome, regards Olaf Simons Gotha Research Centre, Germany ...and Germany's wikipedia ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! This is exciting, because there is lots of article history in here which was assumed to be lost forever. Wow, this is really, really amazing! I'm not sure just how you avoided having a heart attack after seeing this: -- HomePage|979586833 1c1 Describe the new page here. --- This is the new WikiPedia! Great work! Rob ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
This is so exciting! To Steven's point: we've also started a page where folks can add bits of interesting information as they excavate the files [1]. Can't wait to dig in! Congrats, Tim! [1] http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_in_the_Beginning Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:20:10 -0800 From: Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: aanlktin9cjxr1s_ecfr3nr6xmt6c4o=6ohdhtxp4j...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is fantastic, and the timing could not be better. If anyone finds anything noteworthy, please add it to the timeline of Wikipedia that we're building at the 10th anniversary wiki,[1] as well as the other tools for cataloging interesting tidbits from our history.[2] 1. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline 2. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! This is exciting, because there is lots of article history in here which was assumed to be lost forever. I've long been interested in Wikipedia's history, and I've tried in the past to locate such backups. I asked various people who might have had one. I had given up hope. The history of particularly old Wikipedia articles, as seen in the present Wikipedia database, is incomplete, due to Usemod's policy of deleting old revisions of pages after about a month. The script which Brion wrote to import the article histories from UseMod to MediaWiki only fetched those revisions which hadn't been purged yet. I didn't want to believe that those revisions had been lost forever, and I even opened the UseMod source code and stared forlornly at the unlink() call. What I (and Brion before) missed is that UseMod appends a record of every change made to two files, called diff_log and rclog. In these two files is a record of every change made to Wikipedia from January 15 to August 17, 2001. I've put the two log files up on the web, at: http://noc.wikimedia.org/~tstarling/wikipedia-logs-2001-08-17.7z The 7-zip archive is only 8.4MB -- much more manageable than today's backups. rclog contains IP addresses. The Usemod software made IP addresses of logged-in users public, so the people who made these edits had no expectation that their IP address would be kept private. That, coupled with the passage of time, makes me think that no harm to user privacy can come from releasing these files. -- Tim Starling I have to say this is super cool. It's like digging up a time capsule right before the 10th anniversary. One of my favorite early edits: This is the new WikiPedia! The idea here is to write a complete encyclopedia from scratch, without peer review process, etc. Some people think that this may be a hopeless endeavor, that the result will necessarily suck. We aren't so sure. So, let's get to work! -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] 10 Years of Wikipedia: What's That Mean to You?
What has been written about 10 years of Wikipedia brought to my mind thoughts of victory disease (1), groupthink (2), hubris (3), narcissism (4), communal reinforcement (5), consensus reality (6), confirmation bias (7) or, more appropriately, Wikiality (8) as well as nemesis (9), Watergate (10), and WikiLeaks (11), not necessarily in this order. Happy Birthday. Enjoy the celebrations of 10 years of Wikipedia. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_disease (2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink (3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris (4) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism (5) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communal_reinforcement (6) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_reality (7) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias (8) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_in_culture#Wikiality (9) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemesis_%28mythology%29 (10) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal (11) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks At 06:49 14-12-2010, you wrote: Hi, everyone. I'm working with Steven Walling and the WikiX team to help get ready for the coming celebrations. As you know, Wikipedias 10-year birthday is coming up really soon! Weve got scores of events plannedat least two on every continent so far[1]and were hoping for more. Now, we just need to make sure the rest of the world knows about this amazing milestone, too. Most people outside of the community dont fully realize were a mission-driven, non-profit movement run by real, everyday people. Often, Wikipedia is thought to be a static product or service, not a living, breathing community of people, from all walks of life, who care about providing a free public service to the world. We want the rest of the world to know and understand us as a people-driven movement, appreciate what were doing and --most importantly-- join us. To help, we're asking volunteers [2] passionate about Wikipedia to take a few minutes to write a bit about what it means to be a Wikipedian. Telling your own story about your personal connection to Wikipedia is about being proud of the time youve spent working on an international pubic resource and vital necessity to over 400 million people all over the world. Its about thanking the thousands of people who work alongside you to keep this amazing project going. In addition, we're compiling information about Wikipedia in the form of a historical timeline [3] , curating interesting data in the form of top 10 lists [4][5] and searching for long-time Wikipedians who might also be celebrating their 10th birthday as editors [6]. If you have anything to add [7], please share! As always, if you have any questions or suggestions, let us know. Cheers, Moka Pantages Wikimedia Foundation Communications [1] http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Communications_Kit [2] http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Stories [3] http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline [4] http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_by_the_numbers [5] http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia's_Top_Ten [6] http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedians_celebrating_their_tenth_WikiBirthday [7] http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share#Wikipedians_celebrating_their_tenth_WikiBirthday ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Prof. Virgilio A. P. Machadov...@fct.unl.pt Engenharia Industrial http://web.archive.org/web/20070824105539/www.ipei.pt/GDEI/ DEMI/FCT/UNLFax: 351-21-294-8546 or 21-294-8531 Universidade de Portugalor 351-21-295-4461 2829-516 Caparica Tel.: 351-21-294-8542 or 21-294-8567 PORTUGALor 351-21-294-8300 or 21 294-8500 Ext.112-32 96-577-3726 Faculdade de Ciencias e Tecnologia/UNL (FCT/UNL) (Dr. Machado is Associate Professor of Industrial Engineering at the School of Sciences and Engineering/UNL of the University of Portugal) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
In a message dated 12/14/2010 8:21:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, steven.wall...@gmail.com writes: This is fantastic, and the timing could not be better. If anyone finds anything noteworthy, please add it to the timeline of Wikipedia that we're building at the 10th anniversary wiki,[1] as well as the other tools for cataloging interesting tidbits from our history.[2] 1. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline 2. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share Hmm I wonder if some things can be added there (sound of feathers ruffling) Btw how does one *open* this tarball thing (on Windows) ? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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FYI, there is an existing timeline at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline And lots of other wikipedia history pages on English, too. :) Phoebe On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Moka Pantages mpanta...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is so exciting! To Steven's point: we've also started a page where folks can add bits of interesting information as they excavate the files [1]. Can't wait to dig in! Congrats, Tim! [1] http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_in_the_Beginning Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:20:10 -0800 From: Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: aanlktin9cjxr1s_ecfr3nr6xmt6c4o=6ohdhtxp4j...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is fantastic, and the timing could not be better. If anyone finds anything noteworthy, please add it to the timeline of Wikipedia that we're building at the 10th anniversary wiki,[1] as well as the other tools for cataloging interesting tidbits from our history.[2] 1. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline 2. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
Winrar's your best bet. Other archivers may be equally good. FT2 On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 5:53 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/14/2010 8:21:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, steven.wall...@gmail.com writes: This is fantastic, and the timing could not be better. If anyone finds anything noteworthy, please add it to the timeline of Wikipedia that we're building at the 10th anniversary wiki,[1] as well as the other tools for cataloging interesting tidbits from our history.[2] 1. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline 2. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share Hmm I wonder if some things can be added there (sound of feathers ruffling) Btw how does one *open* this tarball thing (on Windows) ? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
Would prefer on its own wiki as this is comprehensive up to a given date. Maybe January2001.wikipedia.org -- immediate impact. (DNS software cannot handle 2001.wikipedia.org) FT2 On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:04 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! This is exciting, because there is lots of article history in here which was assumed to be lost forever. I've long been interested in Wikipedia's history, and I've tried in the past to locate such backups. I asked various people who might have had one. I had given up hope. The history of particularly old Wikipedia articles, as seen in the present Wikipedia database, is incomplete, due to Usemod's policy of deleting old revisions of pages after about a month. The script which Brion wrote to import the article histories from UseMod to MediaWiki only fetched those revisions which hadn't been purged yet. I didn't want to believe that those revisions had been lost forever, and I even opened the UseMod source code and stared forlornly at the unlink() call. What I (and Brion before) missed is that UseMod appends a record of every change made to two files, called diff_log and rclog. In these two files is a record of every change made to Wikipedia from January 15 to August 17, 2001. I've put the two log files up on the web, at: http://noc.wikimedia.org/~tstarling/wikipedia-logs-2001-08-17.7z The 7-zip archive is only 8.4MB -- much more manageable than today's backups. rclog contains IP addresses. The Usemod software made IP addresses of logged-in users public, so the people who made these edits had no expectation that their IP address would be kept private. That, coupled with the passage of time, makes me think that no harm to user privacy can come from releasing these files. -- Tim Starling AWESOME. This is so cool. I've copied the research list too, since there's many Wikipedia historians that will be eager to see the older versions. I hope we can get them up in a browsable way, like nostalgia.wikipedia.org ! -- phoebe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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See see also etc in [[History of Wikipedia]]. FT2 On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:27 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: FYI, there is an existing timeline at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline And lots of other wikipedia history pages on English, too. :) Phoebe On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Moka Pantages mpanta...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is so exciting! To Steven's point: we've also started a page where folks can add bits of interesting information as they excavate the files [1]. Can't wait to dig in! Congrats, Tim! [1] http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_in_the_Beginning Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:20:10 -0800 From: Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: aanlktin9cjxr1s_ecfr3nr6xmt6c4o=6ohdhtxp4j...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is fantastic, and the timing could not be better. If anyone finds anything noteworthy, please add it to the timeline of Wikipedia that we're building at the 10th anniversary wiki,[1] as well as the other tools for cataloging interesting tidbits from our history.[2] 1. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline 2. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikis analysed
Hi Olaf, This would be a good WikiProject within Wikisource, or on top of Wikisource. Do you have scans of the letters? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikisource Wikisource is already set up to manage the transcription and presentation of the letters, pages about authors, etc., and the community will pitch in with setting up your data. You can focus on the linking between texts, analysis, etc. The wiki-research-l list may be of interest to you. https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:15 AM, Olaf Simons olaf.sim...@pierre-marteau.com wrote: Hi, I am thinking of recommending a wiki database to a research project planned at Erfurt University. The group I have to advise is planning to edit late 17th and early 18th century letters of the republic of letters with the aim to reconstruct the flow of ideas and the personal networks that generated this flow. A wiki should be a superb tool for the editing process the project will have to get through. Yet I am more interested in tools we would later on use to analyse our data (we will prabably create pages of individual letters, other pages on authors and topics, and, of course, categories etc.). My question is now: I have seen exploits (yet never taken any notes) that analysed Wikis and gave net-work structures of the interrelated pages and category trees. One such thing was shown here only recently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2010-11-29/News_and_notes ...yet the digest given here would be too vague for our purposes. We would probably have to plan the entire wiki in a way that we could get defiinite pictures of the development of 17th century intellectual networks (how do they spread on the European map? Who is communicating with whom? Who is playing what role in the process?), and of the flow of topics within these networks. Ideas of who would provide technical solutions and give advise on how to create such wiki in a manner that it can be analysed fruitfully, would be most welcome, regards Olaf Simons Gotha Research Centre, Germany ...and Germany's wikipedia ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:53 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Btw how does one *open* this tarball thing (on Windows) ? I'm a fan of http://www.7-zip.org/ -- James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
Right in time! And the rightly early version too! Kudos to the diggers and bashers! On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 21:23, Moka Pantages mpanta...@wikimedia.orgwrote: This is so exciting! To Steven's point: we've also started a page where folks can add bits of interesting information as they excavate the files [1]. Can't wait to dig in! Congrats, Tim! [1] http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_in_the_Beginning Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:20:10 -0800 From: Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: aanlktin9cjxr1s_ecfr3nr6xmt6c4o=6ohdhtxp4j...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is fantastic, and the timing could not be better. If anyone finds anything noteworthy, please add it to the timeline of Wikipedia that we're building at the 10th anniversary wiki,[1] as well as the other tools for cataloging interesting tidbits from our history.[2] 1. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline 2. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! This is exciting, because there is lots of article history in here which was assumed to be lost forever. I've long been interested in Wikipedia's history, and I've tried in the past to locate such backups. I asked various people who might have had one. I had given up hope. The history of particularly old Wikipedia articles, as seen in the present Wikipedia database, is incomplete, due to Usemod's policy of deleting old revisions of pages after about a month. The script which Brion wrote to import the article histories from UseMod to MediaWiki only fetched those revisions which hadn't been purged yet. I didn't want to believe that those revisions had been lost forever, and I even opened the UseMod source code and stared forlornly at the unlink() call. What I (and Brion before) missed is that UseMod appends a record of every change made to two files, called diff_log and rclog. In these two files is a record of every change made to Wikipedia from January 15 to August 17, 2001. I've put the two log files up on the web, at: http://noc.wikimedia.org/~tstarling/wikipedia-logs-2001-08-17.7zhttp://noc.wikimedia.org/%7Etstarling/wikipedia-logs-2001-08-17.7z The 7-zip archive is only 8.4MB -- much more manageable than today's backups. rclog contains IP addresses. The Usemod software made IP addresses of logged-in users public, so the people who made these edits had no expectation that their IP address would be kept private. That, coupled with the passage of time, makes me think that no harm to user privacy can come from releasing these files. -- Tim Starling I have to say this is super cool. It's like digging up a time capsule right before the 10th anniversary. One of my favorite early edits: This is the new WikiPedia! The idea here is to write a complete encyclopedia from scratch, without peer review process, etc. Some people think that this may be a hopeless endeavor, that the result will necessarily suck. We aren't so sure. So, let's get to work! -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
On 14.12.2010 16:54, Tim Starling wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! That's wonderful news. Is this for enWP only or were all languages in one database back then? Ciao Henning ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Henning Schlottmann h.schlottm...@gmx.net wrote: On 14.12.2010 16:54, Tim Starling wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! That's wonderful news. Is this for enWP only or were all languages in one database back then? There was only English back in the day... ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
Here are a couple of quick indexes into the dump file. I didn't venture into the binary revision data. You'll find an alphabetized list of articles that contains all the diffs for each article in the order that they occured in the dump and a sorted index into each revision as well. http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/ http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/Given that it's finals I don't even have enough time to dig through this at all. Guess I just wanted a distraction =) - Brian On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:27 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.comwrote: FYI, there is an existing timeline at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline And lots of other wikipedia history pages on English, too. :) Phoebe On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Moka Pantages mpanta...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is so exciting! To Steven's point: we've also started a page where folks can add bits of interesting information as they excavate the files [1]. Can't wait to dig in! Congrats, Tim! [1] http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_in_the_Beginning Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:20:10 -0800 From: Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: aanlktin9cjxr1s_ecfr3nr6xmt6c4o=6ohdhtxp4j...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is fantastic, and the timing could not be better. If anyone finds anything noteworthy, please add it to the timeline of Wikipedia that we're building at the 10th anniversary wiki,[1] as well as the other tools for cataloging interesting tidbits from our history.[2] 1. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline 2. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
Hi Magnus, On 14.12.2010 22:35, Magnus Manske wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Henning Schlottmann h.schlottm...@gmx.net wrote: On 14.12.2010 16:54, Tim Starling wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! That's wonderful news. Is this for enWP only or were all languages in one database back then? There was only English back in the day... Not true. The first other languages were introduced on March 15 and could be part of this archive if the different Wikipedias were in one database under UseMod. Do you remember how this worked? Ciao Henning ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote:
HomePage
* WikiPedia
* PhilosophyAndLogic
* UnitedStates
* PopularMusic
* SportS
* MathematicsAndStatistics
* CountriesOfTheWorld
* AaA
* AfghanistaN
* UuU
* TechnologY
* ComputinG
* ComputerSoftware
* TransporT
* NamingConventions
Nice, I have added this as a userpage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdupont/FirstPages
All of them work except for. They have been deleted as meaningless
with no relevant historical value.
20:12, 18 April 2006 RexNL (talk | contribs) deleted AfghanistaN
(content was: '{{db|R3:Redirects as a result of an implausible
typo}}#REDIRECT Afghanistan')
09:19, 24 May 2005 Thue (talk | contribs) deleted TechnologY
(content was: '#REDIRECT Technology')
04:48, 8 March 2007 Raul654 (talk | contribs) deleted
NamingConventions (content was: '#REDIRECT wikipedia:Naming
conventions')
The should all be restored under the catagory Muesum of WIkipedia!
mike
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James Michael DuPont
Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania
flossk.org flossal.org
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Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Henning Schlottmann h.schlottm...@gmx.net wrote: Hi Magnus, On 14.12.2010 22:35, Magnus Manske wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Henning Schlottmann h.schlottm...@gmx.net wrote: On 14.12.2010 16:54, Tim Starling wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! That's wonderful news. Is this for enWP only or were all languages in one database back then? There was only English back in the day... Not true. The first other languages were introduced on March 15 and could be part of this archive if the different Wikipedias were in one database under UseMod. My earliest recorded entry in de.wikipedia dates September 2001 (and I have a low two-digit user ID, which was created upon the switch to MediaWiki), so there seem to be some versions missing indeed. Do you know the oldest preserved esit on de.wp? Do you remember how this worked? AFAIR, every language had its own UseMod setup. My import script only took the last version; Brion later wrote one that filled in the previous ones from the stored diffs. Magnus ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikis analysed
It's quite interesting that this topic has surfaced. The applications of such software might be of great interest in many areas. Some of those applications seem so powerful that it seems likely that this might be already well developed. The application mentioned in the opening of this thread concerns late 17th and early 18th century letters of the republic of letters with the aim to reconstruct the flow of ideas and the personal networks that generated this flow and the tools we would later on use to analyze our data. Reference was made to analysis of wikis that gave network structures of the interrelated pages and category trees while recognizing the need to go much further, in order to get definite pictures of the development of 17th century intellectual networks (how do they spread on the European map? Who is communicating with whom? Who is playing what role in the process?), and of the flow of topics within these networks. Consider now a different study object: foreign diplomatic relations, drug trafficking (no pun intended), global warfare development, political intrigue or, at a smaller scale, organizational intrigue. From an historic point of view the results might provide great depth of knowledge. In real time, as the events unfold, this could be a powerful tool to understand how things evolve in a certain direction. The Wikimedia projects power structure is definitely a serious candidate for such analysis. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
On 14.12.2010 23:47, Magnus Manske wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Henning Schlottmann Not true. The first other languages were introduced on March 15 and could be part of this archive if the different Wikipedias were in one database under UseMod. My earliest recorded entry in de.wikipedia dates September 2001 (and I have a low two-digit user ID, which was created upon the switch to MediaWiki), so there seem to be some versions missing indeed. Do you know the oldest preserved esit on de.wp? Local lore claims it is your edit http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polymerase-Kettenreaktionoldid=2613 in Polymerase-Kettenreaktion. But I never checked that. Do you remember how this worked? AFAIR, every language had its own UseMod setup. My import script only took the last version; Brion later wrote one that filled in the previous ones from the stored diffs. That's unfortunate but only a small dent in the wonderful news that Wikipedia has its very first (English) edits back. Ciao Henning ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
2010/12/14 Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
HomePage
* WikiPedia
* PhilosophyAndLogic
* UnitedStates
* PopularMusic
* SportS
* MathematicsAndStatistics
* CountriesOfTheWorld
* AaA
* AfghanistaN
* UuU
* TechnologY
* ComputinG
* ComputerSoftware
* TransporT
* NamingConventions
Nice, I have added this as a userpage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdupont/FirstPages
All of them work except for. They have been deleted as meaningless
with no relevant historical value.
20:12, 18 April 2006 RexNL (talk | contribs) deleted AfghanistaN
(content was: '{{db|R3:Redirects as a result of an implausible
typo}}#REDIRECT Afghanistan')
09:19, 24 May 2005 Thue (talk | contribs) deleted TechnologY
(content was: '#REDIRECT Technology')
04:48, 8 March 2007 Raul654 (talk | contribs) deleted
NamingConventions (content was: '#REDIRECT wikipedia:Naming
conventions')
The should all be restored under the catagory Muesum of WIkipedia!
Yes, please. I'm putting {{R from CamelCase}} in some redirects of the Tim's
list.
mike
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Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania
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Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
On 15/12/10 07:36, Henning Schlottmann wrote: On 14.12.2010 16:54, Tim Starling wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! That's wonderful news. Is this for enWP only or were all languages in one database back then? Just English, unfortuately. You may find this interesting: http://web.archive.org/web/20030318055654/http://nupedia.com/pipermail/interpret-l.mbox/interpret-l.mbox http://web.archive.org/web/20020817032335/www.nupedia.com/pipermail/intlwiki-l.mbox/intlwiki-l.mbox -- Tim Starling ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikileaks point ? Re: Wikipedia Executive Director?
On 12/14/10 2:39 PM, KIZU Naoko wrote: You can claim to call it Devouard's Law, if preferable. Haha, no. It is far too similar to Godwin Law. It would be plagiarism (#evil). But I stand up by my claim. I would be curious to see how it evolves. Any mention of censorship --- reference to Wikileaks Ant On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Florence Devouardanthe...@yahoo.com wrote: On 12/10/10 1:01 AM, Michael Snow wrote: On 12/9/2010 3:28 PM, MZMcBride wrote: Calling Jimmy Wikipedia founder was already incredibly close to crossing the line. Calling Sue Wikipedia Executive Director clearly crosses the line. From reading your posts today, I believe you agree. While I didn't and wouldn't raise the issue of criminality here, the sleazy tactics are in the fundraising approach, not in the criticism. Which line are you talking about here? Crediting Jimmy Wales as a founder of Wikipedia is indisputable. Yes, other people might wish to claim that title as well - based on previous discussions when I was on the Board of Trustees, I don't believe the Wikimedia Foundation takes any position on that, although obviously Jimmy on a personal level does - but none of those other claims can negate Jimmy's. As for referring to Sue as Wikipedia Executive Director, I find it inaccurate and confusing, but I know enough about the staff and the fundraising process to expect that it was the result of well-meaning attempts at communicating concisely with a large audience unfamiliar with our organizational details. Assuming good faith, I think it crossed a line as far as accuracy goes, but being misguided or inartful hardly makes it sleazy. And yes, it is sleazy and underhanded to insinuate things like criminal behavior about other people if you're not willing to commit outright to a set of facts to establish a charge or an accusation that can be defended against. By way of illustration, that is one of the reasons various advocates for a free press, free speech, and other civil libertarians are so outraged at some of the government and corporate tactics that have been used against Wikileaks in the past week or so. --Michael Snow Lately, I have been wondering if - in a similar way than the Godwin point appeared a few years ago - we would not see something like a Wikileaks point appears Something like As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a reference to Wikileaks approaches 1 to refer to the chance of ending up discussing censorship and free speech whilst involved in a debate. What do you think ? Anthere ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
I hope some of you may have seen/discussed these pages (as well as the connected pages): http://web.archive.org/web/20010418152404/www.nupedia.com/ upto http://web.archive.org/web/20030730075209/http://www.nupedia.org/ Of course the domain name then, was nupedia.org. -vp On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 02:30, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 15/12/10 07:36, Henning Schlottmann wrote: On 14.12.2010 16:54, Tim Starling wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! That's wonderful news. Is this for enWP only or were all languages in one database back then? Just English, unfortuately. You may find this interesting: http://web.archive.org/web/20030318055654/http://nupedia.com/pipermail/interpret-l.mbox/interpret-l.mbox http://web.archive.org/web/20020817032335/www.nupedia.com/pipermail/intlwiki-l.mbox/intlwiki-l.mbox -- Tim Starling ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
And here is the first http://wikipedia.com archive link available at web archive. http://web.archive.org/web/20010727112808/http://www.wikipedia.org/ 2010/12/15 ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) vp2...@gmail.com I hope some of you may have seen/discussed these pages (as well as the connected pages): http://web.archive.org/web/20010418152404/www.nupedia.com/ upto http://web.archive.org/web/20030730075209/http://www.nupedia.org/ Of course the domain name then, was nupedia.org. -vp On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 02:30, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 15/12/10 07:36, Henning Schlottmann wrote: On 14.12.2010 16:54, Tim Starling wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! That's wonderful news. Is this for enWP only or were all languages in one database back then? Just English, unfortuately. You may find this interesting: http://web.archive.org/web/20030318055654/http://nupedia.com/pipermail/interpret-l.mbox/interpret-l.mbox http://web.archive.org/web/20020817032335/www.nupedia.com/pipermail/intlwiki-l.mbox/intlwiki-l.mbox -- Tim Starling ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
Browsing through the earliest revisions in the revision index ( http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/revisions.html) is rather interesting and full of fodder for founder debates. Consider these very early revisions: [http://www.nupedia.com Nupedia.com] is an open content, international, peer reviewed project run by LarrySanger, who got the idea of supplementing NuPedia with a less formal wiki encyclopedia project. - http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/979694938.txt EditorInChief of NuPedia and instigator of Nupedia's wiki. http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/979690096.txt Sanger's claims to coming up with the idea of adding the wiki concept to the online encyclopedia concept clearly go all the way back to the beginning. Of course, that doesn't speak to offline conversations that gave rise to the idea. And Sanger clearly didn't have much faith in the concept: None of this is to say that the Nupedia wiki will ''replace'' the main encyclopedia; of course it won't. But it will be an interesting ancillary endeavor! http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/979695982.txt - Brian On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: Here are a couple of quick indexes into the dump file. I didn't venture into the binary revision data. You'll find an alphabetized list of articles that contains all the diffs for each article in the order that they occured in the dump and a sorted index into each revision as well. http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/ http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/Given that it's finals I don't even have enough time to dig through this at all. Guess I just wanted a distraction =) - Brian On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:27 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.comwrote: FYI, there is an existing timeline at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline And lots of other wikipedia history pages on English, too. :) Phoebe On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Moka Pantages mpanta...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is so exciting! To Steven's point: we've also started a page where folks can add bits of interesting information as they excavate the files [1]. Can't wait to dig in! Congrats, Tim! [1] http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_in_the_Beginning Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:20:10 -0800 From: Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: aanlktin9cjxr1s_ecfr3nr6xmt6c4o=6ohdhtxp4j...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is fantastic, and the timing could not be better. If anyone finds anything noteworthy, please add it to the timeline of Wikipedia that we're building at the 10th anniversary wiki,[1] as well as the other tools for cataloging interesting tidbits from our history.[2] 1. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline 2. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
Here is an interesting bit of history - the Wikipedia logo was first an American flag. Then Scott Moonen suggested we make it a globe: In its first day of existences, because the nearest thing to hand for JimmyWales that was suitable for a logo was an American flag, WikiPedia had the American flag, OldGlory, for a logo. ScottMoonen sensibly suggested: I'd recommend you change the American flag logo. Exremely ethno-centric ''et. al.'' I think a globe logo would be much more fitting, if you want to keep with that metaphor. Or perhaps a book. http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/979773872.txt - Brian On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: Browsing through the earliest revisions in the revision index ( http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/revisions.html) is rather interesting and full of fodder for founder debates. Consider these very early revisions: [http://www.nupedia.com Nupedia.com] is an open content, international, peer reviewed project run by LarrySanger, who got the idea of supplementing NuPedia with a less formal wiki encyclopedia project. - http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/979694938.txt EditorInChief of NuPedia and instigator of Nupedia's wiki. http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/979690096.txt Sanger's claims to coming up with the idea of adding the wiki concept to the online encyclopedia concept clearly go all the way back to the beginning. Of course, that doesn't speak to offline conversations that gave rise to the idea. And Sanger clearly didn't have much faith in the concept: None of this is to say that the Nupedia wiki will ''replace'' the main encyclopedia; of course it won't. But it will be an interesting ancillary endeavor! http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/979695982.txt - Brian On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: Here are a couple of quick indexes into the dump file. I didn't venture into the binary revision data. You'll find an alphabetized list of articles that contains all the diffs for each article in the order that they occured in the dump and a sorted index into each revision as well. http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/ http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/Given that it's finals I don't even have enough time to dig through this at all. Guess I just wanted a distraction =) - Brian On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:27 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.comwrote: FYI, there is an existing timeline at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline And lots of other wikipedia history pages on English, too. :) Phoebe On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Moka Pantages mpanta...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is so exciting! To Steven's point: we've also started a page where folks can add bits of interesting information as they excavate the files [1]. Can't wait to dig in! Congrats, Tim! [1] http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_in_the_Beginning Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:20:10 -0800 From: Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: aanlktin9cjxr1s_ecfr3nr6xmt6c4o=6ohdhtxp4j...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is fantastic, and the timing could not be better. If anyone finds anything noteworthy, please add it to the timeline of Wikipedia that we're building at the 10th anniversary wiki,[1] as well as the other tools for cataloging interesting tidbits from our history.[2] 1. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline 2. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
Is there any database backup of Nupedia? Or the articles were posted as HTML pages? 2010/12/15 ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) vp2...@gmail.com And here is the first http://wikipedia.com archive link available at web archive. http://web.archive.org/web/20010727112808/http://www.wikipedia.org/ 2010/12/15 ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) vp2...@gmail.com I hope some of you may have seen/discussed these pages (as well as the connected pages): http://web.archive.org/web/20010418152404/www.nupedia.com/ upto http://web.archive.org/web/20030730075209/http://www.nupedia.org/ Of course the domain name then, was nupedia.org. -vp On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 02:30, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 15/12/10 07:36, Henning Schlottmann wrote: On 14.12.2010 16:54, Tim Starling wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! That's wonderful news. Is this for enWP only or were all languages in one database back then? Just English, unfortuately. You may find this interesting: http://web.archive.org/web/20030318055654/http://nupedia.com/pipermail/interpret-l.mbox/interpret-l.mbox http://web.archive.org/web/20020817032335/www.nupedia.com/pipermail/intlwiki-l.mbox/intlwiki-l.mbox -- Tim Starling ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered
On 15/12/10 11:17, Brian J Mingus wrote: Browsing through the earliest revisions in the revision index ( http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/revisions.html) is rather interesting and full of fodder for founder debates. Consider these very early revisions: [http://www.nupedia.com Nupedia.com] is an open content, international, peer reviewed project run by LarrySanger, who got the idea of supplementing NuPedia with a less formal wiki encyclopedia project. - http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/979694938.txt EditorInChief of NuPedia and instigator of Nupedia's wiki. http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/979690096.txt Sanger's claims to coming up with the idea of adding the wiki concept to the online encyclopedia concept clearly go all the way back to the beginning. Of course, that doesn't speak to offline conversations that gave rise to the idea. I've long suspected that the early FAQs and history pages gave Larry Sanger an exaggerated role because he wrote them himself. It will be interesting to see if any such conclusion can be drawn from the archives. Note that 979694938 was by dhcp058.246.lvcm.com, which appears to be Larry. By the way, the numbers in the revisions, e.g. 979694938, are UNIX timestamps. That one was 17 Jan 2001, 01:28:58 UTC. -- Tim Starling ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [SPAM] Re: Old Wikipedia backups discovered
An'n 15.12.2010 01:36, hett Brian J Mingus schreven: http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/979773872.txt Nice to see that the quality of posts on the mailing lists was low and discussions lame and rapidly off-topicking since ... the very first day! ;-) Marcus Buck User:Slomox ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Monthly Recurring Giving
One member of the fundraising team had it on her Christmas list. Another literally begged for it. So today, I feel quite a sense of accomplishment in announcing that the Wikimedia Foundation is now able to accept recurring monthly contributions as a giving option for our donors. Recurring giving has been in the works for a long time - literally years. We launched a limited test run of recurring donations last Thursday, and have already received several thousand dollars worth of commitments using this new method. Over the course of the past several years, we’ve received hundreds of requests from donors that we offer automatic monthly giving. Donors want the ease of monthly giving, and, as many have noted, it's far more convenient to give $5 a month than $60 all at once. In addition, it gives the Foundation a certain amount of security to know that a base amount of money will be coming every month, year round. With monthly recurring giving, a donor selects the amount they wish to give, and the payment is made automatically each month, for 12 months. Our recurring monthly donations are processed by Paypal, so unfortunately we still are unable to accept the currencies they don’t support. However - as with any PayPal transaction, you can use either your PayPal account, or a credit card. Our recurring giving options will primarily be targeted as post-donation options. Testing showed that including the option on the initial giving form actually resulted in fewer transactions, but many past donors feel strongly about the introduction of this system. We will likely be announcing it to past donors as a method to continue their generous support, sometime this week. Anyone is welcome to use it - we just won't be advertising it on the initial donation. You can sign up for recurring giving at: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Monthly_donations/en With this, we gleefully delete the “sorry, we don’t have a recurring donation option” template from our email response systems. Best wishes, Philippe ___ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. ofc: +1 415 839 6885 x6643 mobile: +1 918 200 WIKI (9454) pbeaude...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://donate.wikimedia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
