Re: [Foundation-l] Future donation drive suggestion
> "Has it occurred to the people running Wikipedia that some people might > think Wikipedia is affiliated with Wikileaks? > It would be an easy mistake to make, and even I balked because I am totally > anti-Wikileaks. The bigger question is whether or not it has occurred to Julian Assange. Since people keep confusing the two, and some want to donate to one and not the other, maybe in his next fundraiser Assange can refer to himself as the Wikipedia Executive Director. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Future donation drive suggestion
Chris Lee wrote: > Regardless of how I feel on the matter, this person does make a good point. > I have come across many people who view Wikileaks as irresponsible and > dangerous. Calling out our non-affiliation with Wikileaks on the donation > page seems fairly drastic. However, because this may be a common > misconception, clarification should be made *somewhere*. It's in the FAQ: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/FAQ/en If you feel it should be elsewhere on wikimediafoundation.org, leave a note at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Foundation_wiki_feedback (which has its own obnoxious banner about WikiLeaks currently) and I can update the site as appropriate. MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Future donation drive suggestion
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Chris Lee wrote: > Regardless of how I feel on the matter, this person does make a good point. > I have come across many people who view Wikileaks as irresponsible and > dangerous. Calling out our non-affiliation with Wikileaks on the donation > page seems fairly drastic. However, because this may be a common > misconception, clarification should be made *somewhere*. > A blog post on the subject was posted back in early December. http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2010/12/09/what’s-in-a-name-in-the-case-of-‘wiki’-lots-of-things/ -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Future donation drive suggestion
Hello, I received an email earlier today, in which the person who was the subject of an article I wrote last year decided to make a donation to the WMF. Excerpted from the email: "Has it occurred to the people running Wikipedia that some people might think Wikipedia is affiliated with Wikileaks? It would be an easy mistake to make, and even I balked because I am totally anti-Wikileaks. I found a page Wiki stating you were not affiliated, but you should really include that info with your donation requests. I suspect thousands of would-be donors did not donate because they were not totally sure and didn't want to take the chance. Please pass this piece of info onto the people in charge, because I think it's a really important point to stress!" Regardless of how I feel on the matter, this person does make a good point. I have come across many people who view Wikileaks as irresponsible and dangerous. Calling out our non-affiliation with Wikileaks on the donation page seems fairly drastic. However, because this may be a common misconception, clarification should be made *somewhere*. Chris ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2010 videos
+1 last info I read was: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2010-October/002437.html On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Mike.lifeguard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > > Now that registration is open for Wikimania 2011, I wonder why the > videos from Wikimania 2010 are not uploaded somewhere yet. > > Could the 2010 organizers please comment on this state of affairs? > > - -Mike > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAk0hAOoACgkQst0AR/DaKHvrkgCfc5hjal43X+LQOmj7SXcLtKVU > 7UAAn131m23QbZ7hS5DiwYZ/Ti4S/t9r > =qoEt > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- Find me at: Systems Thinking World Group: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=2639211&trk=anet_ug_hm ** This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorised copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. Diese eMail enthaelt vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschuetzte Informationen. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese eMail irrtuemlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese Mail. Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail ist nicht gestattet. ** ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Wikimania 2010 videos
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Now that registration is open for Wikimania 2011, I wonder why the videos from Wikimania 2010 are not uploaded somewhere yet. Could the 2010 organizers please comment on this state of affairs? - -Mike -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk0hAOoACgkQst0AR/DaKHvrkgCfc5hjal43X+LQOmj7SXcLtKVU 7UAAn131m23QbZ7hS5DiwYZ/Ti4S/t9r =qoEt -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] The Decline Effect and the Scientific Method
On 2 January 2011 21:50, Milos Rancic wrote: > A great text on fallacies and biases of scientists and scientific > community: > http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/12/13/101213fa_fact_lehrer?currentPage=all No really it isn't. Once you remove the waffle it really boils down to "[[Publication bias]] exists" (while falling for it itself since it fails to mention the clear publication bias in Funnel plots) and "[[Regression toward the mean]] exists". Both of these are well known and there are a range of statistical and methodological attacks to deal with them. The article then goes of the deep end and starts attacking some strawman (some version of experimentalism by the look of it but that's unclear) version of the scientific method. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] The Decline Effect and the Scientific Method
A great text on fallacies and biases of scientists and scientific community: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/12/13/101213fa_fact_lehrer?currentPage=all WM editors and especially Wikipedia editors should have that in their mind. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 Registration Now Open
Hello,
The Wikimania site shows that there has been already a lot of work,
and I can imagine the many little things that had to be dealt with.
Remembering the Amsterdam bid, my congratulation for that.
Kind regards
Ziko van Dijk
2011/1/2 Asaf Bartov :
> We thank everyone who congratulated us on opening the reg. site, on and off
> the list. All the credit goes to Harel Cain, a board member in WMIL and
> hewp Bureaucrat, who undertook to integrate, document, and improve the
> existing registration system. The new code will of course be made available
> to the next Wikimania organizers.
>
> We urge everyone to take advantage of the "early bird" discount, and to
> register by end of March.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Asaf Bartov, on behalf of the Wikimania 2011 team.
>
> 2011/1/1 Delphine Ménard
>
>> I just want to send here, along with best new year wishes, an enormous
>> thanks to the Haifa team. I believe they have beaten all previous
>> Wikimanias in opening the registration website so early.
>>
>> Hat down.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Delphine
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
>> > Hello, everyone.
>> >
>> > We are pleased to announce that the registration period and the
>> scholarship
>> > application period for Wikimania 2011, which will be held in Haifa,
>> Israel,
>> > on August 4th to 7th, 2011, have *just begun!*
>> >
>> > == Registration ==
>> > Those who register early will enjoy considerable discounts in both
>> > registration and accommodation fees, so be sure to register as early as
>> > possible.
>> >
>> > * Full information about registration, including fees and registration
>> > periods: http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration
>> > * Our registration website: http://wmreg.wikimedia.org.il/
>> >
>> > == Scholarship application ==
>> > If you require a scholarship to attend Wikimania 2011, you can apply for
>> one
>> > until the end of January 2011. This year, there will be partial
>> scholarships
>> > to cover travel costs up to USD 300, in addition to full scholarships.
>> >
>> > * Full information about scholarships:
>> > http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships
>> > * Our scholarship application website: http://wmschols.wikimedia.org.il/
>> >
>> > == Call for Papers ==
>> > The Call for Papers for the conference has been available for a while
>> now.
>> > You are welcome to submit workshop, seminar, tutorial, panel, and
>> > presentation proposals.
>> >
>> > * The Call for Papers:
>> > http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_Papers
>> >
>> > == Translators required ==
>> > You are welcome to help translate as much of our conference wiki into as
>> > many languages as possible, using the regular {{Other languages}} and
>> > {{Translation}} templates.
>> >
>> > If you are interested in translating the registration website into
>> > additional languages, please contact us at wikimania
>> > -registrat...@wikimedia.org.
>> >
>> > == Got any questions? ==
>> > You can contact us in any of the ways listed on
>> > http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Contact.
>> >
>> > If you have questions that might interest others, please post them on
>> > http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania:Information_Desk.
>> >
>> > Please bear with us if the registration or scholarship application
>> websites
>> > are momentarily unavailable due to maintenance.
>> >
>> > Wishing you all a happy 2011 and looking forward to hosting you in Haifa,
>> >
>> > Asaf Bartov
>> > on behalf of the entire Wikimania 2011 local team
>> >
>> > --
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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 Registration Now Open
We thank everyone who congratulated us on opening the reg. site, on and off
the list. All the credit goes to Harel Cain, a board member in WMIL and
hewp Bureaucrat, who undertook to integrate, document, and improve the
existing registration system. The new code will of course be made available
to the next Wikimania organizers.
We urge everyone to take advantage of the "early bird" discount, and to
register by end of March.
Cheers,
Asaf Bartov, on behalf of the Wikimania 2011 team.
2011/1/1 Delphine Ménard
> I just want to send here, along with best new year wishes, an enormous
> thanks to the Haifa team. I believe they have beaten all previous
> Wikimanias in opening the registration website so early.
>
> Hat down.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Delphine
>
> On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
> > Hello, everyone.
> >
> > We are pleased to announce that the registration period and the
> scholarship
> > application period for Wikimania 2011, which will be held in Haifa,
> Israel,
> > on August 4th to 7th, 2011, have *just begun!*
> >
> > == Registration ==
> > Those who register early will enjoy considerable discounts in both
> > registration and accommodation fees, so be sure to register as early as
> > possible.
> >
> > * Full information about registration, including fees and registration
> > periods: http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration
> > * Our registration website: http://wmreg.wikimedia.org.il/
> >
> > == Scholarship application ==
> > If you require a scholarship to attend Wikimania 2011, you can apply for
> one
> > until the end of January 2011. This year, there will be partial
> scholarships
> > to cover travel costs up to USD 300, in addition to full scholarships.
> >
> > * Full information about scholarships:
> > http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships
> > * Our scholarship application website: http://wmschols.wikimedia.org.il/
> >
> > == Call for Papers ==
> > The Call for Papers for the conference has been available for a while
> now.
> > You are welcome to submit workshop, seminar, tutorial, panel, and
> > presentation proposals.
> >
> > * The Call for Papers:
> > http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_Papers
> >
> > == Translators required ==
> > You are welcome to help translate as much of our conference wiki into as
> > many languages as possible, using the regular {{Other languages}} and
> > {{Translation}} templates.
> >
> > If you are interested in translating the registration website into
> > additional languages, please contact us at wikimania
> > -registrat...@wikimedia.org.
> >
> > == Got any questions? ==
> > You can contact us in any of the ways listed on
> > http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Contact.
> >
> > If you have questions that might interest others, please post them on
> > http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania:Information_Desk.
> >
> > Please bear with us if the registration or scholarship application
> websites
> > are momentarily unavailable due to maintenance.
> >
> > Wishing you all a happy 2011 and looking forward to hosting you in Haifa,
> >
> > Asaf Bartov
> > on behalf of the entire Wikimania 2011 local team
> >
> > --
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Re: [Foundation-l] fundraiser suggestion
Hello, There is still a huge difference between "telling a lie" and "being inaccurate", and I don't see something misleading. It is true that the Wikipedia/Wikimedia is confusing to many people. It never happened to me that people, to whom I explained about, had any problem with using Wikipedia as the umbrella word for the whole movement. Ziko van Dijk 2011/1/2 Erik Moeller : > 2011/1/1 Stephen Bain : >> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: >>> >>> But to suggest that the choice of such >>> shorthand is tantamount to "lying to and misleading our donors" is, >>> indeed, irresponsible hyperbole. It's clear that the choice was, in >>> fact, made to _reduce_ potential confusion of donors about who/what >>> they're being asked to support. >> >> Hang on: >> >> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Philippe Beaudette >> wrote: >>> >>> When we get letters saying things like "I'd donate, but only to Wikipedia, >>> not to Wikimedia", it spells out for us that it's possible we could attract >>> more people with the institution of Wikipedia than the institution of >>> Wikimedia. > > See the immediately previous sentence in Philippe's email: "Yes, it'll > come as a shock to all of you but there are people > who don't know that Wikimedia is anything more than a mis-spelling of > Wikipedia. ." He's talking about the exact same > issue. > > -- > Erik Möller > Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation > > Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- Ziko van Dijk The Netherlands http://zikoblog.wordpress.com/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] fundraiser suggestion
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > 2011/1/1 Stephen Bain : >> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: >>> >>> But to suggest that the choice of such >>> shorthand is tantamount to "lying to and misleading our donors" is, >>> indeed, irresponsible hyperbole. It's clear that the choice was, in >>> fact, made to _reduce_ potential confusion of donors about who/what >>> they're being asked to support. >> >> Hang on: >> >> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Philippe Beaudette >> wrote: >>> >>> When we get letters saying things like "I'd donate, but only to Wikipedia, >>> not to Wikimedia", it spells out for us that it's possible we could attract >>> more people with the institution of Wikipedia than the institution of >>> Wikimedia. > > See the immediately previous sentence in Philippe's email: "Yes, it'll > come as a shock to all of you but there are people > who don't know that Wikimedia is anything more than a mis-spelling of > Wikipedia. ." He's talking about the exact same > issue. How is someone not knowing the difference between Wikipedia and Wikimedia, and someone being willing to donate to one and not the other, the exact same issue? They're closer to the exact opposite issue. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] fundraiser suggestion
On 2 January 2011 01:56, Erik Moeller wrote: > 2011/1/1 Thomas Dalton : >> That is the completely wrong attitude. If we cannot reach our target >> with an honest campaign, we should accept that we cannot reach our >> target and make do with less money. We should not lie to and mislead >> our donors. > > I fully understand the arguments not to use shorthand like "Wikipedia > Executive Director". It clearly is counter to our desire to be seen as > a movement with multiple supporting organizations, and for Wikipedia > to be understood as a largely self-governing community, and it's of > course Wikipedia-centric. But to suggest that the choice of such > shorthand is tantamount to "lying to and misleading our donors" is, > indeed, irresponsible hyperbole. It's clear that the choice was, in > fact, made to _reduce_ potential confusion of donors about who/what > they're being asked to support. The Wikipedia/Wikimedia thing was harmful to our efforts to get people to understand how the movement works, but I don't think it got people to donate under false pretences. My problem is primarily with the false claims of urgency. > Similarly, there are few fundraising techniques that are more > conventional than developing a sense of urgency throughout a campaign > (google fundraising and urgency). The whole point of a fundraising > campaign is, yes, to _urge_ as many people as possible to give within > the timeframe during which all messaging and resources are aligned to > receive donations. So the narrative of every reasonably well-executed > fundraising campaign is to build excitement towards a goal, to > emphasize the importance of making a gift today, etc. > > Yes, one can do so to an extent that's misleading and problematic. > But, I haven't seen any instance of misleading messaging in our > campaign. Instead in our most "urgent" appeal there were sentences > like: "Not everyone can or will donate. And that’s fine, because each > year just enough people support Wikipedia with a small donation." This > is an example of careful and deliberate balance in messaging. I'm familiar with the concept of trying to get people to donate immediately because they probably won't get around to donating at all otherwise. That isn't an excuse for lying, though. All the messages with the word "urgent" in were misleading. You received plenty of money to keep the sites up and running within the first few weeks of the fundraiser. There never was any urgency. You were telling people that if they didn't donate Wikipedia would go offline and that wasn't true. That is a lie. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
