[Foundation-l] Community maps
The OLPC community is currently using a custom map mashup to help volunteers and school projects around the world find one another.[1] It's not hard to skin. http://olpcmap.net http://code.google.com/p/olpc-map-net/ There was recently a discussion about using this tool on the cultural-partnerships list. Are there existing collaborative maps of Wikimedia groups and projects? Is this something worth trying? SJ [1] For OLPC this provided a happy medium between mapping all users and mapping large established regional groups, neither of which captured the energy of the small innovative projects which drove and defined local communities. More detail: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/sj/2011/01/27/mapping-global-communities/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Community maps
Originally this idea was proposed as something that would be useful to map out past/forthcoming GLAM collaborations and to divide them by type (content donation, conference...), but it was agreed that the range of Wikimedia community things that could be mapped are much broader and therefore it would make sense if there was one central project rather than a single purpose map. I find the two particularly neat things about this map is that can be technically achieved are that you can set paramaters to toggle sets of tags on/off (which makes it easy to sort for what you are interested in) and also that it can draw on OpenStreetMap data if you prefer. I recall seeing a thread recently (can't remember where) that was discussing how we don't really have a good global calendar of activities for the Wikiverse, and I think this falls into the same category... we don't really have a good global what has happened/will happen near me? map. However... it's probably deceptively tricky to get this up and running on MediaWiki?? -Liam wittylama.com/blog Peace, love metadata On 27 January 2011 12:19, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: The OLPC community is currently using a custom map mashup to help volunteers and school projects around the world find one another.[1] It's not hard to skin. http://olpcmap.net http://code.google.com/p/olpc-map-net/ There was recently a discussion about using this tool on the cultural-partnerships list. Are there existing collaborative maps of Wikimedia groups and projects? Is this something worth trying? SJ [1] For OLPC this provided a happy medium between mapping all users and mapping large established regional groups, neither of which captured the energy of the small innovative projects which drove and defined local communities. More detail: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/sj/2011/01/27/mapping-global-communities/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Wikimediaindia-l] Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone
Congratulations, well done and keep the good work Ting On 26.01.2011 17:23, Jyothis Edathoot wrote: FYI. Regards, Jyothis. http://www.Jyothis.net http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jyothis I am the first customer of http://www.netdotnet.com woods are lovely dark and deep, but i have promises to keep and miles to go before i sleep and lines to go before I press sleep completion date = (start date + ((estimated effort x 3.1415926) / resources) + ((total coffee breaks x 0.25) / 24)) + Effort in meetings -- Forwarded message -- From: Shiju Alexshijualexonl...@gmail.com Date: 2011/1/25 Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone To: Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. wikimediaindi...@lists.wikimedia.org Dear All, I am happy to announce that Malayalam wikipedia has crossed the *10 Lakh (1 million) edits* milestone on *2011 January 22*. Malayalam wikipedia is the *first Indian language wikipedia to cross the 10 Lakh milestone*. With almost 250 active editorshttp://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B4%AA%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%B0%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%AF%E0%B5%87%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%82:%E0%B4%B8%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A5%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%A4%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%B5%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%B5%E0%B4%B0%E0%B4%82Malayalam wiki community continues to be one of the most active Indian Wiki community. That is the the main reason behind this achievement. Malayalam wikipedia also has the *most number of edits per article *(more than 30) among all theIndian wikis. The information about the *total number of the edits* in some of the major active wikis is provided below. Language wikipedia Number of edits since the wiki is set up Malayalam 1002375 Hindi 913612 Tamil 688891 Marathi 665774 Telugu 578760 Urdu 376948 Kannada 186771 Gujarati 133134 Sanskrit 101517 Data is collected on 2011 January 24. Thanks Shiju Alex -- Forwarded message -- From: Anoopanoop@gmail.com Date: 2011/1/25 Subject: [Wikiml-l] മലയാളം വിക്കിപീഡിയയിൽ 10 ലക്ഷം എഡിറ്റുകൾ To: Malayalam wiki project mailing listwikim...@lists.wikimedia.org സുഹൃത്തുക്കളേ, ഒരു സന്തോഷ വാർത്ത നിങ്ങളെ എല്ലാവരെയും അറിയിക്കുകയാണ്. മലയാളം വിക്കിപീഡിയയിൽ 10 ലക്ഷം തിരുത്തലുകൾ (Edits) തികഞ്ഞിരിക്കുന്നു. ഇക്കഴിഞ്ഞ ജനുവരി 22-നായിരുന്നു 10 ലക്ഷം തിരുത്തലുകൾ തികഞ്ഞത്. ഈ കടമ്പ കടക്കുന്ന അമ്പത്തി ഒന്നാമത്തെ വിക്കിപീഡിയയാണ് മലയാളം[1]. ഈ കടമ്പ കടന്ന ഏക ഇന്ത്യൻ വിക്കിപീഡിയയും മലയാളമാണ്[1]. ലേഖനങ്ങളുടെ എണ്ണം വർദ്ധിപ്പിക്കുക എന്നത് പ്രാഥമികമായ ലക്ഷ്യമാക്കാതെ, കാമ്പുള്ള ലേഖനങ്ങൾ സൃഷ്ടിക്കുക എന്ന ലക്ഷ്യത്തോടെ പ്രവർത്തിക്കുന്നതിന്റെ ഫലമായാണ് ഏറ്റവും കൂടുതൽ ഡെപ്ത് ഉള്ള ഇന്ത്യൻ വിക്കിപീഡിയയും ഏറ്റവും കൂടുതൽ തിരുത്തലുകൾ നടത്തിയ ഇന്ത്യൻ വിക്കിപീഡിയയും മലയാളമായത്. ഈ സ്ഥാനം എന്നെന്നും നിലനിർത്തിപ്പോരാൻ നിങ്ങൾ ഓരോരുത്തരുടെയും സഹകരണം ആവശ്യമാണ്. മറ്റു പ്രധാന ഇന്ത്യൻ ഭാഷാ വിക്കിപീഡിയയിലെ തിരുത്തലുകളുടെ എണ്ണം കാണുക. *ഭാഷ (language)* * തിരുത്തലുകളുടെ എണ്ണം (Number of edits since wiki is set up) * മലയാളം (Malayalam) 1002375 ബംഗാളി (bengali) 922606 ഹിന്ദി (Hindi) 913612 തമിഴ് (Tamil) 688891 മറാത്തി (Marathi) 665774 തെലുഗ് (Telugu) 578760 ഉർദു (Urdu) 376948 കന്നഡ (Kannada) 186771 ഗുജറാത്തി (Gujarati) 133134 സംസ്കൃതം (Sanskrit) 101517 [1] ഈ നേട്ടത്തിൽ പങ്കാളിയായ എല്ലാവർക്കും നന്ദി. *അവലംബം* 1. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias അനൂപ് ___ Wikiml-l is the mailing list for Malayalam Wikimedia Projects email: wikim...@lists.wikimedia.org Website: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiml-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list wikimediaindi...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Ting Ting's Blog: http://wingphilopp.blogspot.com/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Community maps
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: how we don't really have a good global calendar of activities This is true. Wikiverse, and I think this falls into the same category... we don't really have a good global what has happened/will happen near me? map. However... it's probably deceptively tricky to get this up and running on MediaWiki?? By 'running on MediaWiki' do you mean 'embeddable in a wiki page (via an extension)'? SJ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation
Before Translatewiki existed it was possible for Wikimedia/Wikipedia users to improve the translation of the Mediawiki software's message used on their project into their own language. It is no longer possible now, because Translatewiki exists, and there is a powerful Translatewiki lobby within the local Wikipedia/Wikimedia communities which actively fights against the translation of messages on-wiki, and compells users to open a user account on Translatewiki (1). Translatewiki.net is not part of the Wikimedia Foundation projects (2). So users are requested to either * Let awkward translations go on being displayed on their language version of Wikipedia * Or open an account on a non-Wikimedia project, which means providing non-Wikimedia managers access to your personal data. That means you are loosing the guarantees of http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy (the guarantee that your data are accessed only exceptionally and in such exceptional cases, always handled by people trusted by the Wikimedia Foundation) A user who wants to remain just that : a Wikimedia user, not a non-Wikimedia user can no longer work successfully on a Wikimedia/Wikipedia wiki. I ask the Wikimedia Foundation to protect its users from the aggressions of non-Wikimedia projects. And to implement a set of policies to prevent this sort of non-Wikimedia project lobbying. I ask the Wikimedia Foundation to support people involved in translation work, rather than expell them to non-Wikimedia projects. Symbolically, that means that the Wikimedia Foundation is expelling internationalisation. Internationalisation ? What ? I don't want that to happen in my house, the Wikimedia Foundation is saying. (1) http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3ADemande_d%27intervention_sur_un_message_syst%C3%A8meaction=historysubmitdiff=61680671oldid=61680545 (2) http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Project:About ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Before Translatewiki existed it was possible for Wikimedia/Wikipedia users to improve the translation of the Mediawiki software's message used on their project into their own language. You still are. It's called the MediaWiki namespace. That has never changed. -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] [Infographic] Wikipedia and its history
Hey, This is a video infographic about Wikipedia and its history. Enjoy :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXD1TRGafQ0feature=player_embedded# -- Christophe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: (...) So users are requested to either * Let awkward translations go on being displayed on their language version of Wikipedia * Or open an account on a non-Wikimedia project, which means providing non-Wikimedia managers access to your personal data. That means you are loosing the guarantees of http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy (the guarantee that your data are accessed only exceptionally and in such exceptional cases, always handled by people trusted by the Wikimedia Foundation) You don't have to use the same username as on the wiki. You don't EVEN need to have a wikipedia username. Nobody can correlate your account on Translatewiki to your Wikipedia account, unless you do it. Don't use same password. Don't use same username. That's all. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Infographic] Wikipedia and its history
This video was on Wikimedia blog: http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/01/18/a-gift-of-visualization-on-wikipedias-birthday/ -- Leinad 2011/1/27 Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com: Hey, This is a video infographic about Wikipedia and its history. Enjoy :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXD1TRGafQ0feature=player_embedded# -- Christophe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Before Translatewiki existed it was possible for Wikimedia/Wikipedia users to improve the translation of the Mediawiki software's message used on their project into their own language. It is no longer possible now, because Translatewiki exists, and there is a powerful Translatewiki lobby within the local Wikipedia/Wikimedia communities which actively fights against the translation of messages on-wiki, and compells users to open a user account on Translatewiki Translatewiki provides an interface for editing the MediaWiki localization messages. These messages are available to all wikis (including non-Wikimedia wikis), instead of just one wiki. For example, see Meta with a Chinese interface: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/No_such_page?uselang=zh . You can still translate the wiki directly by editing the MediaWiki namespace, the same way it has always been done. This change will not be available to other wikis, and the message will no longer be updated from Translatewiki. -- Yours cordially, Jesse (Pathoschild) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Reminder: IRC office hours with Sue Gardner this morning at 18:00 UTC
Hi all, Just a quick reminder that in an hour or so, we'll be having our first IRC office hours since December with Sue Gardner in #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net. More info at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours Steven Walling Fellow at the Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation
2011/1/27 Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com: Before Translatewiki existed it was possible for Wikimedia/Wikipedia users to improve the translation of the Mediawiki software's message used on their project into their own language. It is no longer possible now, As Chad said, it's still possible and it's often done in many wikis. because Translatewiki exists, and there is a powerful Translatewiki lobby within the local Wikipedia/Wikimedia communities which actively fights against the translation of messages on-wiki, and compells users to open a user account on Translatewiki (1). It's powerful simply because it makes sense not to duplicate the effort by translating messages on-wiki. If a certain message makes sense for MediaWiki in general, but not for Wikipedia, then it can and should be changed on-wiki after community discussion. The existence of a whole page devoted to such discussions in the French Wikipedia is a proof that this system works. * Let awkward translations go on being displayed on their language version of Wikipedia ... Or discuss changing them and ask the admins to implement the decision. If you think that changing that particular message in fr.wikipedia should be done locally and not in Translatewiki.net, express your opinion there. * Or open an account on a non-Wikimedia project, which means providing non-Wikimedia managers access to your personal data. That means you are loosing the guarantees of http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy (the guarantee that your data are accessed only exceptionally and in such exceptional cases, always handled by people trusted by the Wikimedia Foundation) Translatewiki.net has a privacy policy, too. I ask the Wikimedia Foundation to protect its users from the aggressions of non-Wikimedia projects. And to implement a set of policies to prevent this sort of non-Wikimedia project lobbying. This is not aggression. Even though it's not officially connected to the WMF, the people operating Translatewiki.net are important contributors to Wikimedia projects and to MediaWiki. Thanks to Translatewiki.net localization became simpler and faster. It's true that the WMF could have made it, but the WMF didn't do it, and Translatewiki.net did and it fit pretty well into the way MediaWiki is developed. I ask the Wikimedia Foundation to support people involved in translation work, rather than expell them to non-Wikimedia projects. I do hope that the collaboration between Translatewiki.net and the WMF will become tighter, but there's nothing terribly broken in the way things work now. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] inquiry about paid prject support by WMF
I just found http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Dynamics_of_Online_Interactions_and_Behavior and it repeats a lot it's supported by the Foundation where can I learn more about it, since it says participants will earn money? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation
The free encyclopedia that anyone can translate? I find Translatewiki.net very user-unfriendly. WMF could use more than one site for the translations. For example, I would prefer to use Transifex : http://www.transifex.net/ -- Fajro ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow
On 26 January 2011 23:41, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 January 2011 22:54, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Jimmy has previously made way too many off-the-cuff remarks that have gotten him into hot water to repeat that mistake again, surely. *cough*Sarah Palin*cough* Comparing Jimmy to Sarah Palin is taking it too far - he's not even close to being that bad! ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation
Hoi, Yes you can localise at your own Wiki. It is even recommended for several messages, particularly those messages that are specific to messages about policies and what not particular to your wiki. Such specific texts are explicitly what we do not want at translatewiki.net because at translatewiki we localise MediaWiki. This is to ensure that all the MediaWiki installations can use the localised messages per default. As to translatewiki.net not being a Wikimedia Foundation project, you know, it could be. It certainly has many of the necessary qualifications. Even when you look at the people involved, they are quite substantial in the Wikimedia world; Siebrand has a part time contract to ensure high quality from the Wikimedia Foundation, Nikerabbit is on the board of the Finnish chapter, I am on the language committee... Most of the people who contribute localisations are heavily involved in their language projects many of them as admins or bureaucrats. Each language has a project page for a language and we are really happy when many people contribute for a language; it raises the standards. Typically there are very few issues between the translators for a language and when they exist, the people who run translatewiki do not get involved. We do not necessarily know any particular language as you can imagine. One very powerful reason why you should not localise locally is because there is no way that you will know locally when a message gets changed. The consequence is that the quality of locally localised messages do not get the same quality assurance as it gets in translatewiki. So in essence, localising at translatewiki.net does enhance the quality of the localisation. Only messages with changes that give specific information for a local wiki should be localised locally. Thanks, GerardM On 27 January 2011 18:15, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.ilwrote: 2011/1/27 Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com: Before Translatewiki existed it was possible for Wikimedia/Wikipedia users to improve the translation of the Mediawiki software's message used on their project into their own language. It is no longer possible now, As Chad said, it's still possible and it's often done in many wikis. because Translatewiki exists, and there is a powerful Translatewiki lobby within the local Wikipedia/Wikimedia communities which actively fights against the translation of messages on-wiki, and compells users to open a user account on Translatewiki (1). It's powerful simply because it makes sense not to duplicate the effort by translating messages on-wiki. If a certain message makes sense for MediaWiki in general, but not for Wikipedia, then it can and should be changed on-wiki after community discussion. The existence of a whole page devoted to such discussions in the French Wikipedia is a proof that this system works. * Let awkward translations go on being displayed on their language version of Wikipedia ... Or discuss changing them and ask the admins to implement the decision. If you think that changing that particular message in fr.wikipedia should be done locally and not in Translatewiki.net, express your opinion there. * Or open an account on a non-Wikimedia project, which means providing non-Wikimedia managers access to your personal data. That means you are loosing the guarantees of http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy (the guarantee that your data are accessed only exceptionally and in such exceptional cases, always handled by people trusted by the Wikimedia Foundation) Translatewiki.net has a privacy policy, too. I ask the Wikimedia Foundation to protect its users from the aggressions of non-Wikimedia projects. And to implement a set of policies to prevent this sort of non-Wikimedia project lobbying. This is not aggression. Even though it's not officially connected to the WMF, the people operating Translatewiki.net are important contributors to Wikimedia projects and to MediaWiki. Thanks to Translatewiki.net localization became simpler and faster. It's true that the WMF could have made it, but the WMF didn't do it, and Translatewiki.net did and it fit pretty well into the way MediaWiki is developed. I ask the Wikimedia Foundation to support people involved in translation work, rather than expell them to non-Wikimedia projects. I do hope that the collaboration between Translatewiki.net and the WMF will become tighter, but there's nothing terribly broken in the way things work now. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow
On 27 January 2011 20:30, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 January 2011 23:41, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 January 2011 22:54, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Jimmy has previously made way too many off-the-cuff remarks that have gotten him into hot water to repeat that mistake again, surely. *cough*Sarah Palin*cough* Comparing Jimmy to Sarah Palin is taking it too far - he's not even close to being that bad! Sorry, being excessively oblique. I was referring to this interview: http://www.newstatesman.com/technology/2011/01/wikipedia-party-vote-view Fortunately the Tea Party haven't been round with signs and upset chanting. But even highly experienced media people can occasionally fail to speak only in perfectly rounded soundbites ;-) - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation
2011/1/27 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il: 2011/1/27 Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com: Before Translatewiki existed it was possible for Wikimedia/Wikipedia users to improve the translation of the Mediawiki software's message used on their project into their own language. It is no longer possible now, As Chad said, it's still possible and it's often done in many wikis. It's even recommendable to do it. The messages on TranslateWiki should be generic and without internal links, because they might be used on different websites. These messages can be improved by introducing internal links and references to wiki* policies. * Or open an account on a non-Wikimedia project, which means providing non-Wikimedia managers access to your personal data. That means you are loosing the guarantees of http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy (the guarantee that your data are accessed only exceptionally and in such exceptional cases, always handled by people trusted by the Wikimedia Foundation) Translatewiki.net has a privacy policy, too. That's one of the reasons I proposed the implementation of an open-id provider using the Wikimedia login (i.e. being able to login to translatewiki and other websites using your wikipedia password) I ask the Wikimedia Foundation to support people involved in translation work, rather than expell them to non-Wikimedia projects. I do hope that the collaboration between Translatewiki.net and the WMF will become tighter, but there's nothing terribly broken in the way things work now. Still, it would make sense to allow some trusted user svn access to the translations. Bug 24951 is open for 6 months now because some of the translations aren't automatically updated and the review backlog hasn't reached the relevant revision. Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation
On 28/01/2011, at 7:22, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: That's one of the reasons I proposed the implementation of an open-id provider using the Wikimedia login (i.e. being able to login to translatewiki and other websites using your wikipedia password) +1. yes please! Wittylama.com/blog Peace, love metadata ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Community maps
On 28/01/2011, at 1:42, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: how we don't really have a good global calendar of activities This is true. Wikiverse, and I think this falls into the same category... we don't really have a good global what has happened/will happen near me? map. However... it's probably deceptively tricky to get this up and running on MediaWiki?? By 'running on MediaWiki' do you mean 'embeddable in a wiki page (via an extension)'? SJ Sort of... Ideally it would be nice to be able to host and edit such a map right from within Meta (or wherever the map was placed on our projects) whilst logged in. But I can only guess that to do that would be extremely difficult to achieve. Embedding the map on our projects with an extension but hosted and edited elsewhere would be more feasible I guess, but also means we have to go to a non-wikimedia site to be able to edit it. This is not a big deal or anything but it would be nicer to have it in-house. [I'm quite willing to admit up front that I don't know the tech at all, so might be on a completely irrelevant track, in which case feel free to ignore me :-) In any case, it's still a good idea IMO.] -Liam ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation
Strainu wrote: These messages can be improved by introducing internal links and references to wiki* policies. Why do you hate Wiktionary? ;-) MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Fwd: First Call for Papers WikiSym 2011
Forwarding to the list on behalf of a non-member. -- Forwarded message -- From: Finn Aarup Nielsen f...@imm.dtu.dk Date: Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:31 PM Subject: First Call for Papers WikiSym 2011 To: foundation-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org CALL FOR PAPERS - WikiSym 2011 - 7th International Symposium on Wikis and Open Collaboration October 3-5, 2011 | Mountain View, California http://www.wikisym.org/ws2011 The International Symposium on Wikis and Open Collaboration (WikiSym) is the premier conference on open collaboration and related technologies. In 2011, WikiSym celebrates its 7th year of scholarly, technical and community innovation in Mountain View, California at the Microsoft Research Campus in Silicon Valley. Submissions are invited for the following categories, further details are available on the conference website: http://www.wikisym.org/ws2011/submitting:start * Research Papers, Panels, Workshop: April 1 * Posters, Demos: May 13 * Notification of Acceptance: June 17 The conference program will include a peer-reviewed research track, as well as workshops, a doctoral consortium, invited keynotes and panel speakers. Evening social events will follow, because wiki folks know the value of a good party for sparking conversation and collaboration. As always, Open Space, a participant-organized track will also run throughout the conference. Many of the most innovative technology companies in the world have a presence in Mountain View, which makes it an ideal venue for hatching new ideas and thoughtful debate about collaborative computing among technologists, researchers, educators, and activists. Topics appropriate for research submissions include all aspects of the people, tools, contexts, and content that comprise open collaboration systems. For example: * Collaboration tools and processes * Social and cultural aspects of collaboration * Collaboration beyond text: images, video, sound, etc. * Communities and workgroups * Knowledge and information production * New media literacies * Uses and impact of wikis and open resources in specific fields, such as - Education/Open Educational Resources - Law/Intellectual Property - Journalism - Art - Science - Publishing - Business - Entertainment In addition to research and development topics, WikiSym also invites innovative proposals for wiki-style art and performance. Felipe Ortega, Conference Chair University Rey Juan Carlos http://felipeortega.net/ Andrea Forte, Program Chair Drexel University http://www.andreaforte.net/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Something simultaneously really cool and a complete copyvio
A friend showed me this thing qwiki today which appears to pull text from Wikipedia and images from various sources (commons, what have you) to produce a movie out of any Wikipedia article. An interesting example: http://www.qwiki.com/q/#!/Hood_River,_Oregon I love the concept, and they do announce that the content is licensed under CC-SA, so assuming someone sets them straight I'm sure they'll be glad to do the actual attribution that they're required to do. I just think it's a really neat concept, and it seems to be working quite well. -- Matthew P. Del Buono ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Making wikimediafoundation.org more open to contributions
Hi. When wikimediafoundation.org was first established (as a fishbowl wiki), there were concerns expressed about its lack of open editing. For one of the most prominent wiki and community-based organizations to have a closed site for its non-profit foundation is rather silly and anachronistic. The wiki was created before extensions like FlaggedRevs existed, but even today with these extensions theoretically capable of allowing outside contributions with moderation, there are still relevant and serious concerns about features that are enabled at wikimediafoundation.org, such as allowing raw HTML to be used. Since 2004, a page has existed at Meta-Wiki to allow outsiders to comment and discuss wikimediafoundation.org called Foundation wiki feedback.[1] In the spirit of being bold, I've taken a number of steps to correct what I view as deficiencies in the current contribution system, all of which I'll outline in this e-mail. If anyone has objections to these changes, they're more than welcome to revert them and we can discuss ways to improve the overall situation.[2] Probably the most noticeable change I made was modifying the view source tab and title to contribute.[3][4][5] There are two ideas behind this change: (1) to encourage people to contribute (whether it's typo fixes, accuracy problems, etc.); and (2) to create a middle ground between edit and view source. It seems unreasonable that a user would ever click view source to make a helpful comment about a page, but we don't want to change the tab to something like edit if the user doesn't have the necessary permissions to edit the page. The primary entry point to Meta-Wiki's Foundation wiki feedback should be through the edit screen, so encouraging users to reach that screen is important. View source simply doesn't achieve this goal. The next change I made was to modify the message that users see above the textarea on wikimediafoundation.org if they don't have permission to edit. Rather than the default (bland) messages, I customized the message and made it a bit more colorful and friendlier.[6][7][8] I also included two prominent buttons in the message: one button is to report a problem with that specific page; the other button is to report a problem with the site in general. Clicking either button will load Meta-Wiki's Foundation wiki feedback page with a new section and auto-fill the section title. It's also possible to customize the message that users view above the textarea at Meta-Wiki based on whether they're clicking the buttons from wikimediafoundation.org, but I've left that for a later date. Obviously I'm not a great designer, but this is a vast improvement when you compare the before and after pictures: * before: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMFwiki-edit-before.png * after: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMFwiki-edit-after.png Then I headed over to Meta-Wiki to make some changes there. First, I killed the Foundation wiki feedback/admin subpage, as it caused confusion, clutter, and was rarely used.[9] I merged all of the header content into the single Foundation wiki feedback/Header template and simplified it.[10] I also made the page generally less obnoxious: * before: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FWF-view-before.png * after: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FWF-view-after.png The final changes were to the editnotice above the textarea at Meta-Wiki: * before: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FWF-edit-before.png * after: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FWF-edit-after.png Hopefully these changes will encourage more participation and engagement. In addition to these changes, I've filed a bug in Bugzilla to work on ways to make wikimediafoundation.org more open to outside contributions.[11] MZMcBride [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Foundation_wiki_feedback [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD,_revert,_discuss_cycle [3] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Viewsource [4] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Viewsourcefor [5] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Vector-view-viewsource [6] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:Contribute [7] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Permissionserrorstext [8] http://wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Permissionserrorstext-withaction [9] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Foundation_wiki_feedback/admin [10] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Foundation_wiki_feedback/Header [11] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27006 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Making wikimediafoundation.org more open to contributions
2011/1/27 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com: In the spirit of being bold, I've taken a number of steps to correct what I view as deficiencies in the current contribution system, all of which I'll outline in this e-mail. If anyone has objections to these changes, they're more than welcome to revert them and we can discuss ways to improve the overall situation.[2] Looks great to me :-) I agree that the edit restrictions on the WMF wiki are very unfortunate and there's still much more that can be done (perhaps one day leading toward www.wikimedia.org as a single information, collaboration and discussion hub, subsuming both WMF and Meta, and possibly other backstage wikis). -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Making wikimediafoundation.org more open to contributions
On Jan 27, 2011, at 7:58 PM, MZMcBride wrote this plus some other stuff: Hi. When wikimediafoundation.org was first established (as a fishbowl wiki), there were concerns expressed about its lack of open editing. For one of the most prominent wiki and community-based organizations to have a closed site for its non-profit foundation is rather silly and anachronistic. The wiki was created before extensions like FlaggedRevs existed, but even today with these extensions theoretically capable of allowing outside contributions with moderation, there are still relevant and serious concerns about features that are enabled at wikimediafoundation.org, such as allowing raw HTML to be used. I have to say, I rather support these changes. I've long been troubled with the perception that our own foundation-wiki was so restrictive. It seemed anti-thetical to me. I'm pleased to see steps towards opening this up. ___ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. pbeaude...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://donate.wikimedia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Making wikimediafoundation.org more open to contributions
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2011/1/27 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com: In the spirit of being bold, I've taken a number of steps to correct what I view as deficiencies in the current contribution system, all of which I'll outline in this e-mail. If anyone has objections to these changes, they're more than welcome to revert them and we can discuss ways to improve the overall situation.[2] Looks great to me :-) I agree that the edit restrictions on the WMF wiki are very unfortunate and there's still much more that can be done (perhaps one day leading toward www.wikimedia.org as a single information, collaboration and discussion hub, subsuming both WMF and Meta, and possibly other backstage wikis). -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Agreed, There are pages that you would obviously not want touched but I really wish it could be more open. In the long run I agree I think we want something more all encompassing with the community etc. I believe there is an extension that turns on raw html for protected pages only or by namespace... though I've never used them before. In the long run I'm sure there are lots of options but in the short run I like the changes. -- James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Making wikimediafoundation.org more open to contributions
Great Work, MZ. One small point, the buttons on foundation wiki redirect to a the page we get on FWF page on Meta, the edit page has a newly created header that includes Wikimedia is not associated with Wikileaks. I think the confusion with Wikileaks issue is ephemeral and is not as common anymore. Maybe we should consider removing that small disclaimer on the edit page, its already there on the main page itself. Regards Theo On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:35 AM, James Alexander jameso...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2011/1/27 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com: In the spirit of being bold, I've taken a number of steps to correct what I view as deficiencies in the current contribution system, all of which I'll outline in this e-mail. If anyone has objections to these changes, they're more than welcome to revert them and we can discuss ways to improve the overall situation.[2] Looks great to me :-) I agree that the edit restrictions on the WMF wiki are very unfortunate and there's still much more that can be done (perhaps one day leading toward www.wikimedia.org as a single information, collaboration and discussion hub, subsuming both WMF and Meta, and possibly other backstage wikis). -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Agreed, There are pages that you would obviously not want touched but I really wish it could be more open. In the long run I agree I think we want something more all encompassing with the community etc. I believe there is an extension that turns on raw html for protected pages only or by namespace... though I've never used them before. In the long run I'm sure there are lots of options but in the short run I like the changes. -- James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Making wikimediafoundation.org more open to contributions
I rather welcome these changes. Also I support improvement on Meta feedback pages: a single page seems a better solution in these days. Historically the foundation wiki was restricted just for avoiding spams, as far as I understood. Later we found some users who were proud of the foundation movement knowledge weren't knowledgeable as they believed (information they had were outdated etc.), so to some extent restriction have made a sense. But I'd like to point out it was in days we had no FlaggedRev extention yet. For spamming concerns, I think FR will be a solution. Other concerns, on pages we don't want anyone touch casually, we need to take more time to consider what is the best. But not criticism, but a mere fact, I would point out wmf site whose editors have been all highly trusted users hasn't been immune from edit warring. Seeking for openness on foundation wiki fits the nature of our community and movement, I think, which the wiki should represents to the world. Cheers, On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:05 PM, James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2011/1/27 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com: In the spirit of being bold, I've taken a number of steps to correct what I view as deficiencies in the current contribution system, all of which I'll outline in this e-mail. If anyone has objections to these changes, they're more than welcome to revert them and we can discuss ways to improve the overall situation.[2] Looks great to me :-) I agree that the edit restrictions on the WMF wiki are very unfortunate and there's still much more that can be done (perhaps one day leading toward www.wikimedia.org as a single information, collaboration and discussion hub, subsuming both WMF and Meta, and possibly other backstage wikis). -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Agreed, There are pages that you would obviously not want touched but I really wish it could be more open. In the long run I agree I think we want something more all encompassing with the community etc. I believe there is an extension that turns on raw html for protected pages only or by namespace... though I've never used them before. In the long run I'm sure there are lots of options but in the short run I like the changes. -- James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
