Re: [Foundation-l] LiquidThreads redesign?

[Erik Moeller]

2011/4/1 Casey Brown :
>        LQT has been put on hold.  It is now a "Frontier" project.

To clarify:

Frontier Projects are investment areas that could help us make leaps
towards our strategic goals, but which come with some risk and
complexity. These are areas toward which the Wikimedia Foundation will
invest some resources, typically involving considerable prototyping
and data analysis to better understand impact and risks. [1]

We're not adding resources to LQT at present, but we've also not put
the project on hold. Andrew Garrett continues to be assigned to it as
contractor. His current priorities are here:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads/Milestones

After the most recent Brandon/Andrew/team meeting, it was decided that
LQT needed some fundamental re-architecturing work for us to be able
to build the kind of user experience we want, and that's what Andrew's
currently focused on.

It's not getting the resource push it would need to reach major
milestones quickly -- just because we don't have the resources (see
[1] for where most resources are going and why). But the work is
continuing and we'll be able to ramp up resourcing if/when we progress
in other areas.

[1] http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Product_Whitepaper

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Re: [Foundation-l] LiquidThreads redesign?

[Casey Brown]

I asked Brandon Harris, one of the Foundation developers working on
this, and here's what he said:

-- Forwarded message --
From: Brandon Harris 
Date: Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Foundation-l] LiquidThreads redesign?
To: Casey Brown 



       I'm not on Foundation-l.

       LQT has been put on hold.  It is now a "Frontier" project.


On 4/1/11 12:29 PM, Casey Brown wrote:
>
> AFAIK, you're heading this up.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: shi zhao
> Date: Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 11:29 AM
> Subject: [Foundation-l] LiquidThreads redesign?
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
>
>
> see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads#Status
>
> "The original LiquidThreads code has been substantially improved and
> augmented by Andrew Garrett at the Wikimedia Foundation since May 2009. In
> January 2011, a new re-engineering
> projectwas
> begun at the Foundation, and it is anticipated that this will result
> in
> a pilot on a large project by the end of *Q1 2011*."
>
> Now have April 2011, done?
>
> Chinese wikipedia: http://zh.wikipedia.org/
> My blog: http://shizhao.org
> twitter: https://twitter.com/shizhao
>
> [[zh:User:Shizhao]]
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Re: [Foundation-l] LiquidThreads redesign?

[Fajro]

I never liked the idea of LiquidThreads.

IMHO Wikipedia should have had a forum from the start. If not for the
wiki-fundamentalism and discussion pages our community could be 10
times larger.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Gerard Meijssen
 wrote:
> Hoi,
> You do not ask a serious question on a day like today..

We are an international community, not everybody celebrates aprils fools.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

[Fajro]

I'd like a vector-monobook hybrid.

I miss the boxes in the sidebar, the size and color of the old logo
and the footer of Monobook.

I hate the star as watch icon, it should be an eye.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

[FT2]

I do, but that's mostly because I like a data-dense interface and smaller
font, and probably because I'm comfortable enough with it not to need to
change personally.  Then again I like classic menu on Windows too.

It's quite likely that most people we want to attract would like a more
modern style.

FT2



On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Sarah  wrote:

> Do we know how many editors still use Monobook?
>
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] LiquidThreads redesign?

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
You do not ask a serious question on a day like today..
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 1 April 2011 17:29, shi zhao  wrote:

> see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads#Status
>
> "The original LiquidThreads code has been substantially improved and
> augmented by Andrew Garrett at the Wikimedia Foundation since May 2009. In
> January 2011, a new re-engineering
> project<
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads/WMF_project_information
> >was
> begun at the Foundation, and it is anticipated that this will result
> in
> a pilot on a large project by the end of *Q1 2011*."
>
> Now have April 2011, done?
>
> Chinese wikipedia: http://zh.wikipedia.org/
> My blog: http://shizhao.org
> twitter: https://twitter.com/shizhao
>
> [[zh:User:Shizhao]]
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Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

[Sarah]

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 09:10, David Gerard  wrote:
> I've been using it on our work intranet for new wikis. It's gained
> unsolicited positive comment. Vector looks nice.
>

Do we know how many editors still use Monobook?

Sarah

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[Foundation-l] LiquidThreads redesign?

[shi zhao]

see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads#Status

"The original LiquidThreads code has been substantially improved and
augmented by Andrew Garrett at the Wikimedia Foundation since May 2009. In
January 2011, a new re-engineering
projectwas
begun at the Foundation, and it is anticipated that this will result
in
a pilot on a large project by the end of *Q1 2011*."

Now have April 2011, done?

Chinese wikipedia: http://zh.wikipedia.org/
My blog: http://shizhao.org
twitter: https://twitter.com/shizhao

[[zh:User:Shizhao]]
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Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

[David Gerard]

On 1 April 2011 15:46, Hydriz Wikipedia  wrote:

> Well, I am very sure I joined Wikimedia due to the change in skin and liked 
> the new skin as compared to Monobook.


I've been using it on our work intranet for new wikis. It's gained
unsolicited positive comment. Vector looks nice.


- d.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

[Hydriz Wikipedia]

Well, I am very sure I joined Wikimedia due to the change in skin and liked the 
new skin as compared to Monobook.

Regards,Hydrizhttp://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hydriz




> From: e...@wikimedia.org
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:24:48 -0700
> To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after
> 
> 2011/3/31 Amir E. Aharoni :
> > The Vector skin, the main product of the Usability Initiative, was
> > deployed on Wikimedia projects in April 2010.
> >
> > Quoting usability.wikimedia.org: "The goal of this initiative is to
> > measurably increase the usability of Wikipedia for new contributors by
> > improving the underlying software on the basis of user behavioral
> > studies, thereby reducing barriers to public participation."
> >
> > In the year that passed since then, did anyone measure whether the
> > usability of Wikipedia for new contributors increased?
> 
> The usability initiative was accompanied by three qualitative studies:
> 
> http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usability,_Experience,_and_Evaluation_Study
> http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usability_and_Experience_Study
> http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usability,_Experience,_and_Progress_Study
> 
> Our studies validated that the changes we made did indeed by and large
> have the intended effect of simplifying the experience of new users.
> With that said, the aggregate editing trends continue to be troubling.
> See, for example, this page for a comparison of active editors across
> languages:
> 
> http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediansEditsGt5.htm
> 
> .. and, of course, the editor trends study and the New Wikipedians
> numbers. But, these larger trends aren't purely technical trends --
> they're social trends as well, and it's entirely possible that no
> amount of technical improvement is going to even make a meaningful
> dent unless/until we also make progress on making Wikimedia projects
> more open and more welcoming.
> 
> We haven't deployed some of the last-stage features of the project
> yet. These include an in-editor outline of the article headings, a
> tabbed view of preview/edit, and a default collapsed view of
> templates. Making template collapsing work cleanly in all browsers and
> for all document operations turned out to be very hard (due to the
> wrangling required to make the browser's rich-text-editor behave
> essentially like a beefed-up code editor), so we may not ever add that
> feature to a wikitext editor (as opposed to a visual editor). The
> other two features are likely doable with some more effort, but we're
> prioritizing them against other improvements and the visual editor
> effort itself.
> 
> So, in sum, 1) our qualitative research has shown an improvement for
> new users, 2) the quantitative trends are troubling, and it's not
> demonstrable that we've made a difference either way in the larger
> trends (which aren't purely technical but also social trends), 3)
> there's still quite a bit of code that we may end up picking up again
> but that's not currently running on WMF projects. I'm happy that we've
> done Vector as a first step, but it's just that - a first step.
> 
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> Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation
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