Re: [Foundation-l] Turn the things the other way around "Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution"
As Ray saids legal prosecution to claim for formal accomplishing of the copyright terms is expensive and difficult. But the same happens the other way around. I would like to have a clear legal opinion about applying the terms without going to court. They have copied articles from Chinese Wikipedia and translated articles from English and Japanese Wikipedia so in my opinion their work is a derivative one and according to the CCSA terms it is also CCSA no mater what they say. What about creating a bot to copy from Baidu all the articles not yet existing in Chinese wikipedia. Could Geoff Brigham provide us his legal advice? > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 15:18:51 -0700 > From: Ray Saintonge > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to Baidu and press release "Baidu >Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution" draft > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > > Message-ID: <4db4a1cb@telus.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 04/24/11 9:35 AM, David Gerard wrote: > > Baidu Baike clearly have a considerable potential liability in terms > > of violation of copyright, including under Chinese law (assuming CC > > by-sa holds up). > > > > If they're traded on the stock market in Hong Kong (or anywhere else) > > - have they filed appropriate notices with the relevant financial > > oversight bodies noting this outstanding potential liability? If not, > > why not, and could they be in danger of penalties for not having done > > so? > > Reading through this thread only reveals how thoroughly fucked up > copyright law really is! The Baidu situation does point to a prima > facie case of copyright infringement and blatant plagiarism, but we can > do no better than the inhabitants of Flatland after their world was > struck by a three-dimensional object. In theory the writers of > collaborative material have a right of action against the infringers, or > against those who violate the moral right of attribution. In practical > terms, if the owner can be identified the costs prosecuting violations > on the other side of the world are so far out of proportion to any > potential maximum penalty as to turn any such action into a fool's > errand, even in a class action. Nevertheless, when we apply the law to > ourselves it's with such exactitude that we put ourselves in an > immediate disadvantage. > > Ray > > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to Baidu and press release "Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution" draft
Chinese Wikipedian is not required Baidu to give them money, but: 1. Remove the copyright violation materials 2. Change Baidu Baike to CC-by-sa in order they don't want to remove 3. Block the editor who copy content from Wikipedia HW 寄件人﹕ Ray Saintonge 收件人﹕ Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List 傳送日期﹕ 2011/4/25 (一) 6:18:51 AM 主題： Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to Baidu and press release "Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution" draft On 04/24/11 9:35 AM, David Gerard wrote: > Baidu Baike clearly have a considerable potential liability in terms > of violation of copyright, including under Chinese law (assuming CC > by-sa holds up). > > If they're traded on the stock market in Hong Kong (or anywhere else) > - have they filed appropriate notices with the relevant financial > oversight bodies noting this outstanding potential liability? If not, > why not, and could they be in danger of penalties for not having done > so? Reading through this thread only reveals how thoroughly fucked up copyright law really is! The Baidu situation does point to a prima facie case of copyright infringement and blatant plagiarism, but we can do no better than the inhabitants of Flatland after their world was struck by a three-dimensional object. In theory the writers of collaborative material have a right of action against the infringers, or against those who violate the moral right of attribution. In practical terms, if the owner can be identified the costs prosecuting violations on the other side of the world are so far out of proportion to any potential maximum penalty as to turn any such action into a fool's errand, even in a class action. Nevertheless, when we apply the law to ourselves it's with such exactitude that we put ourselves in an immediate disadvantage. Ray ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to Baidu and press release "Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution" draft
Because some website push out the un-released press release and Baidu give response on it. Baidu reply that it is not truth and request people don't talk about it anymore. Baidu is request to post a notice for stock market. However, we have not yet send out the press release and so far Baidu have just reply and no any other action. HW 寄件人﹕ David Gerard 收件人﹕ Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List 傳送日期﹕ 2011/4/25 (一) 12:35:53 AM 主題： Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to Baidu and press release "Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution" draft Baidu Baike clearly have a considerable potential liability in terms of violation of copyright, including under Chinese law (assuming CC by-sa holds up). If they're traded on the stock market in Hong Kong (or anywhere else) - have they filed appropriate notices with the relevant financial oversight bodies noting this outstanding potential liability? If not, why not, and could they be in danger of penalties for not having done so? - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to Baidu and press release "Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution" draft
On 04/24/11 9:35 AM, David Gerard wrote: > Baidu Baike clearly have a considerable potential liability in terms > of violation of copyright, including under Chinese law (assuming CC > by-sa holds up). > > If they're traded on the stock market in Hong Kong (or anywhere else) > - have they filed appropriate notices with the relevant financial > oversight bodies noting this outstanding potential liability? If not, > why not, and could they be in danger of penalties for not having done > so? Reading through this thread only reveals how thoroughly fucked up copyright law really is! The Baidu situation does point to a prima facie case of copyright infringement and blatant plagiarism, but we can do no better than the inhabitants of Flatland after their world was struck by a three-dimensional object. In theory the writers of collaborative material have a right of action against the infringers, or against those who violate the moral right of attribution. In practical terms, if the owner can be identified the costs prosecuting violations on the other side of the world are so far out of proportion to any potential maximum penalty as to turn any such action into a fool's errand, even in a class action. Nevertheless, when we apply the law to ourselves it's with such exactitude that we put ourselves in an immediate disadvantage. Ray ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] A designer? (was: Better user experience and retention through e-mail notifications)
Glad you guys brought this question up as I am working on rewriting one of the things right now. See further discussioner here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Welcome_email All suggestions and tweaks are welcome. Best wishes, Lennart -- Lennart Guldbrandsson, Fellow of the Wikimedia Foundation // Wikimedia Foundation-stipendiat 2011/4/19 Tim Starling > On 19/04/11 19:38, Milos Rancic wrote: > > MZMcBride's email about emails reminded me that every automated email > > from Wikimedia servers looks like a bunch of programming code. > > > > The first idea was that it would be better to have some better formatted > > emails with some more information (for example, I would like to see diff > > inside of my email when I get notification about changing my talk page). > > The main problem is that they are plain text instead of HTML. You > don't really need a designer to make that change, all our developers > know how to use HTML. > > > But, then I've realized that we don't have a designer. By "designer" I > > mean a person who is employed by WMF and who is constantly working on > > improving MediaWiki look and feel. > > Actually we have two: Brandon Harris and Parul Vora. > > -- Tim Starling > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to Baidu and press release "Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution" draft
Baidu Baike clearly have a considerable potential liability in terms of violation of copyright, including under Chinese law (assuming CC by-sa holds up). If they're traded on the stock market in Hong Kong (or anywhere else) - have they filed appropriate notices with the relevant financial oversight bodies noting this outstanding potential liability? If not, why not, and could they be in danger of penalties for not having done so? - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to Baidu and press release "Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution" draft
Village Pump on zh Wikipedia, on http://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/WP:VPM#.E8.81.AF.E7.BD.B2.E8.87.B3.E7.99.BE.E5.BA.A6.E4.BF.A1.E4.BB.B6.E3.80.81.E6.96.B0.E9.97.BB.E7.A8.BF and it is still planning and it have not yet been send out to media. Also it is not a foundation press release but only a Chinese Wikipedia community press release. A wikipedian said that all action to Baidu must be taken in Hong Kong in order to make the stock of Baidu "change". Local chapter of Wikimedia Foundation has been contacted. HW 寄件人﹕ Thomas Dalton 收件人﹕ Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List 傳送日期﹕ 2011/4/24 (日) 8:38:16 PM 主題： Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to Baidu and press release "Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution" draft I'm sorry, where was the decision made to write a press release? I'm really not sure that's the best approach. What attempts at direct communication have been attempted so far? On 24 April 2011 09:45, WereSpielChequers wrote: > 16,000,000 out of 3,000,000 articles sounds high to me, it would mean > over 500% of it was copyvio. Could that be individual edits? > > Otherwise I suggest: > > day mon, 2011 > Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org), a non-profit project run by the > Wikimedia Foundation, uses an open licence but with some terms. > The Chinese Wikipedia community welcomes the development of Baidu's > encyclopedia project Baidu Baike, as Baidu's efforts to build a > Chinese language encyclopaedia are complementary to Wikimedia's aims > to make the sum of human knowledge freely available to everyone in the > world. However, Baidu Baike has repeatedly violated the copyright of > Wikipedia. Wikipedians have complained many times but without result. > > Baidu Baike started in April 2006, and now has more than 3 million > articles. However, Wikipedian's investigations indicate that more than > 16,000,000 of the edits that > created these articles were copies from the Chinese Wikipedia or > translations from the English or Japanese versions of Wikipedia. These > copies and translations were done without complying with the licence > adopted by Wikipedia. This is a copyright violation against Wikipedia > editors, who write for free, asking only that their work remains free > and is attributed to them. So the contents of Wikipedia are available > to all under the CC-by-sa-3.0 and GDFL licences, including to Baidu. > But Baidu Baike doesn't comply with these licences, and claims > ownership of all content contributed to it with "? 2011 Baidu" stated > at the bottom of every page. As for attribution, according to some > users, even if all content is copied from > Wikipedia, Baidu' does not allow Wikipedia even to be listed as a > reference. When Wikipedians find people have copied and pasted content > from Baidu Baike into Wikipedia they quickly delete this as it > breaches Baidu's copyright. But Baidu Baike editors take insufficient > action when they see copyright violation. The terms of use of Baidu > Baike say the users who post material are responsible for the > copyright issues, but as the operator of Baidu Baike, Baidu should > also take responsibility to resolve this. > > Therefore, the Chinese Wikipedia community has sent a letter again to > Baidu requesting them to take action, and has decided to escalate > matters by doing so publicly. > > There is a great opportunity here for Baidu and its contributors. > Moving Baidu Baike to the CC-by-sa-3.0 licence would allow Wikipedia > and Baidu Baike to exchange content and attribute it to the original > authors. Users of Baidu Baike would have more confidence that the > material was legitimate, and writers who contribute to Baidu Baike > would know that their content could be translated into other language > versions of Wikipedia with attribution, just as Chinese Wikipedians > know that some of their writings are translated into other languages > but still attributed to them. > > About Wikipedia > Wikipedia is an Encyclopaedia written by volunteers, and is the > largest project of the Wikimedia Foundation. "Imagine a world in which > every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. > That's our commitment." This is how Jimmy Wales, the founder of > Wikipedia, explains the mission of Wikimedia. > > About CC-by-sa-3.0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CC-BY-SA-3.0 > > Press contact > Wikimedia Hong Kong: infowikimedia.hk Tango Chan: tango.chanwikimedia.hk +852 > 9063-2515 > Wikimedia Taiwan: presswikimedia.tw Ted Chien: htchienwikimedia.tw > Chinese Wikipedia OTRS system: info-zhwikimedia.org > > WSC >> >> -- > >> >> English version >> >> >> Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution >> >> >> >> >> day mon, 2011 >> Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org), a non-profit project run by Wikimedia >> Foundation, uses an open licence but with some terms. >> The Chinese Wikipe
Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to Baidu and press release "Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution" draft
I'm sorry, where was the decision made to write a press release? I'm really not sure that's the best approach. What attempts at direct communication have been attempted so far? On 24 April 2011 09:45, WereSpielChequers wrote: > 16,000,000 out of 3,000,000 articles sounds high to me, it would mean > over 500% of it was copyvio. Could that be individual edits? > > Otherwise I suggest: > > day mon, 2011 > Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org), a non-profit project run by the > Wikimedia Foundation, uses an open licence but with some terms. > The Chinese Wikipedia community welcomes the development of Baidu's > encyclopedia project Baidu Baike, as Baidu's efforts to build a > Chinese language encyclopaedia are complementary to Wikimedia's aims > to make the sum of human knowledge freely available to everyone in the > world. However, Baidu Baike has repeatedly violated the copyright of > Wikipedia. Wikipedians have complained many times but without result. > > Baidu Baike started in April 2006, and now has more than 3 million > articles. However, Wikipedian's investigations indicate that more than > 16,000,000 of the edits that > created these articles were copies from the Chinese Wikipedia or > translations from the English or Japanese versions of Wikipedia. These > copies and translations were done without complying with the licence > adopted by Wikipedia. This is a copyright violation against Wikipedia > editors, who write for free, asking only that their work remains free > and is attributed to them. So the contents of Wikipedia are available > to all under the CC-by-sa-3.0 and GDFL licences, including to Baidu. > But Baidu Baike doesn't comply with these licences, and claims > ownership of all content contributed to it with "? 2011 Baidu" stated > at the bottom of every page. As for attribution, according to some > users, even if all content is copied from > Wikipedia, Baidu' does not allow Wikipedia even to be listed as a > reference. When Wikipedians find people have copied and pasted content > from Baidu Baike into Wikipedia they quickly delete this as it > breaches Baidu's copyright. But Baidu Baike editors take insufficient > action when they see copyright violation. The terms of use of Baidu > Baike say the users who post material are responsible for the > copyright issues, but as the operator of Baidu Baike, Baidu should > also take responsibility to resolve this. > > Therefore, the Chinese Wikipedia community has sent a letter again to > Baidu requesting them to take action, and has decided to escalate > matters by doing so publicly. > > There is a great opportunity here for Baidu and its contributors. > Moving Baidu Baike to the CC-by-sa-3.0 licence would allow Wikipedia > and Baidu Baike to exchange content and attribute it to the original > authors. Users of Baidu Baike would have more confidence that the > material was legitimate, and writers who contribute to Baidu Baike > would know that their content could be translated into other language > versions of Wikipedia with attribution, just as Chinese Wikipedians > know that some of their writings are translated into other languages > but still attributed to them. > > About Wikipedia > Wikipedia is an Encyclopaedia written by volunteers, and is the > largest project of the Wikimedia Foundation. "Imagine a world in which > every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. > That's our commitment." This is how Jimmy Wales, the founder of > Wikipedia, explains the mission of Wikimedia. > > About CC-by-sa-3.0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CC-BY-SA-3.0 > > Press contact > Wikimedia Hong Kong: infowikimedia.hk Tango Chan: tango.chanwikimedia.hk +852 > 9063-2515 > Wikimedia Taiwan: presswikimedia.tw Ted Chien: htchienwikimedia.tw > Chinese Wikipedia OTRS system: info-zhwikimedia.org > > WSC >> >> -- > >> >> English version >> >> >> Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution >> >> >> >> >> day mon, 2011 >> Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org), a non-profit project run by Wikimedia >> Foundation, uses an open licence but with some terms. >> The Chinese Wikipedia community is glad to see the development of Baidu's >> encyclopedia project called Baidu Baike, and Baidu's efforts to push forward >> the >> growing of knowledge around Chinese people, for Wikipedia also aims at making >> the sum of human's knowledge free to everyone in the world. However, Baidu >> Baike >> keeps violating the copyright of Wikipedia. Wikipedians have complained many >> times but without result. >> Baidu Baike started in April 2006, and has included 3 million more articles >> now. >> However, Wikipedian's investigation shows that among these articles more than >> 16,000,000 were copied from Chinese, English or Japenese Wikipedia, and were >> used in a way against the licence adopted by Wikipedia. This is a copyright >> violation to Wikipedia e
Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to Baidu and press release "Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution" draft
Baidu Baike do not translate the content copy from ENWP or JAWP. See an example of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._E._Cummings and http://baike.baidu.com/view/1401453.html , thank you. Also, a new draft of the press release, without murge your text: Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution day mth, 2011 Recently, the Chinese Wikipedia community sent a letter to Baidu to protest the improper use of Wikipedia contents in Baidu Baike, an encyclopedia operated by Baidu. Wikipedia contents are shared under CC-by-sa 3.0 or GFDL licences, which ask the users to share the content under the same licence, and attribute the work, but Baidu didn't follow them. The Chinese Wikipedia community is glad to see the development of Baidu's encyclopedia project called Baidu Baike, and Baidu's efforts to push forward the growing of knowledge around Chinese people, for Wikipedia also aims at making the sum of human's knowledge free to everyone in the world. However, Baidu Baike keeps violating the copyright of Wikipedia. Wikipedians have complained many times but without result. Baidu Baike started in April 2006, and has included 3 million more articles now. However, Wikipedian's investigation shows that among these articles more than 1600 were copied from Chinese, English or Japenese Wikipedia, and were used in a way against the licence adopted by Wikipedia. This is a copyright violation to Wikipedia editors. Wikipedia releases its contents under CC-by-sa-3.0 and GDFL licences, while Baidu Baike doesn't claim to be using these licences, even with "© current year Baidu" stated at the bottom of the page. As for attribution, according to some users, even if all content is copied from Wikipedia, it is not allowed by Baidu's censorship to list Wikipedia as a reference. When Wikipedians encounter contents from Baidu Baike, they will delete them without delay, while Baidu Baike editors take no action when they see copyright violation. Although the terms of use of Baidu Baike sais the users who post it should be responsible for the copyright issues, as the runner of Baidu Baike, Baidu is also inescapably liable for the such issues. Therefore, the Chinese Wikipedia community has sent a letter again to Baidu and requires them to take action. We hope that the modern media can give a report on this issue in order to let more people know about it. About Wikipedia Wikipedia is the largest project run by Wikimedia Foundation. "Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment." This is how Jimmy Wales, the founder of Wikipedia, interprets the mission of Wikipedia. Press contact Wikimedia Hong Kong: i...@wikimedia.hk Tango Chan: tango.c...@wikimedia.hk +852 9063-2515 Wikimedia Taiwan: pr...@wikimedia.tw Ted Chien: htch...@wikimedia.tw Chinese Wikipedia OTRS system: info...@wikimedia.org It have moved to under my userspace due to some reason. HW 寄件人﹕ WereSpielChequers 收件人﹕ foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org 傳送日期﹕ 2011/4/24 (日) 4:45:11 PM 主題： [Foundation-l] Letter to Baidu and press release "Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution" draft 16,000,000 out of 3,000,000 articles sounds high to me, it would mean over 500% of it was copyvio. Could that be individual edits? Otherwise I suggest: day mon, 2011 Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org), a non-profit project run by the Wikimedia Foundation, uses an open licence but with some terms. The Chinese Wikipedia community welcomes the development of Baidu's encyclopedia project Baidu Baike, as Baidu's efforts to build a Chinese language encyclopaedia are complementary to Wikimedia's aims to make the sum of human knowledge freely available to everyone in the world. However, Baidu Baike has repeatedly violated the copyright of Wikipedia. Wikipedians have complained many times but without result. Baidu Baike started in April 2006, and now has more than 3 million articles. However, Wikipedian's investigations indicate that more than 16,000,000 of the edits that created these articles were copies from the Chinese Wikipedia or translations from the English or Japanese versions of Wikipedia. These copies and translations were done without complying with the licence adopted by Wikipedia. This is a copyright violation against Wikipedia editors, who write for free, asking only that their work remains free and is attributed to them. So the contents of Wikipedia are available to all under the CC-by-sa-3.0 and GDFL licences, including to Baidu. But Baidu Baike doesn't comply with these licences, and claims ownership of all content contributed to it with "? 2011 Baidu" stated at the bottom of every page. As for attribution, according to some users, even if all content is copied from Wikipedia, Baidu' does not allow Wikipedia even to be listed as a ref
Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to Baidu and press release "Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution" draft
It should be 1600. Sorry for this. HW 寄件人﹕ WereSpielChequers 收件人﹕ foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org 傳送日期﹕ 2011/4/24 (日) 4:45:11 PM 主題： [Foundation-l] Letter to Baidu and press release "Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution" draft 16,000,000 out of 3,000,000 articles sounds high to me, it would mean over 500% of it was copyvio. Could that be individual edits? Otherwise I suggest: day mon, 2011 Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org), a non-profit project run by the Wikimedia Foundation, uses an open licence but with some terms. The Chinese Wikipedia community welcomes the development of Baidu's encyclopedia project Baidu Baike, as Baidu's efforts to build a Chinese language encyclopaedia are complementary to Wikimedia's aims to make the sum of human knowledge freely available to everyone in the world. However, Baidu Baike has repeatedly violated the copyright of Wikipedia. Wikipedians have complained many times but without result. Baidu Baike started in April 2006, and now has more than 3 million articles. However, Wikipedian's investigations indicate that more than 16,000,000 of the edits that created these articles were copies from the Chinese Wikipedia or translations from the English or Japanese versions of Wikipedia. These copies and translations were done without complying with the licence adopted by Wikipedia. This is a copyright violation against Wikipedia editors, who write for free, asking only that their work remains free and is attributed to them. So the contents of Wikipedia are available to all under the CC-by-sa-3.0 and GDFL licences, including to Baidu. But Baidu Baike doesn't comply with these licences, and claims ownership of all content contributed to it with "? 2011 Baidu" stated at the bottom of every page. As for attribution, according to some users, even if all content is copied from Wikipedia, Baidu' does not allow Wikipedia even to be listed as a reference. When Wikipedians find people have copied and pasted content from Baidu Baike into Wikipedia they quickly delete this as it breaches Baidu's copyright. But Baidu Baike editors take insufficient action when they see copyright violation. The terms of use of Baidu Baike say the users who post material are responsible for the copyright issues, but as the operator of Baidu Baike, Baidu should also take responsibility to resolve this. Therefore, the Chinese Wikipedia community has sent a letter again to Baidu requesting them to take action, and has decided to escalate matters by doing so publicly. There is a great opportunity here for Baidu and its contributors. Moving Baidu Baike to the CC-by-sa-3.0 licence would allow Wikipedia and Baidu Baike to exchange content and attribute it to the original authors. Users of Baidu Baike would have more confidence that the material was legitimate, and writers who contribute to Baidu Baike would know that their content could be translated into other language versions of Wikipedia with attribution, just as Chinese Wikipedians know that some of their writings are translated into other languages but still attributed to them. About Wikipedia Wikipedia is an Encyclopaedia written by volunteers, and is the largest project of the Wikimedia Foundation. "Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment." This is how Jimmy Wales, the founder of Wikipedia, explains the mission of Wikimedia. About CC-by-sa-3.0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CC-BY-SA-3.0 Press contact Wikimedia Hong Kong: infowikimedia.hk Tango Chan: tango.chanwikimedia.hk +852 9063-2515 Wikimedia Taiwan: presswikimedia.tw Ted Chien: htchienwikimedia.tw Chinese Wikipedia OTRS system: info-zhwikimedia.org WSC > > -- > > English version > > > Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution > > > > > day mon, 2011 > Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org), a non-profit project run by Wikimedia > Foundation, uses an open licence but with some terms. > The Chinese Wikipedia community is glad to see the development of Baidu's > encyclopedia project called Baidu Baike, and Baidu's efforts to push forward >the > growing of knowledge around Chinese people, for Wikipedia also aims at making > the sum of human's knowledge free to everyone in the world. However, Baidu >Baike > keeps violating the copyright of Wikipedia. Wikipedians have complained many > times but without result. > Baidu Baike started in April 2006, and has included 3 million more articles >now. > However, Wikipedian's investigation shows that among these articles more than > 16,000,000 were copied from Chinese, English or Japenese Wikipedia, and were > used in a way against the licence adopted by Wikipedia. This is a copyright > violation to Wikipedia editors. Wikipedia releases its contents under > CC-by-sa-3.0 and GDFL licences, while Baidu Bai
[Foundation-l] Letter to Baidu and press release "Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution" draft
16,000,000 out of 3,000,000 articles sounds high to me, it would mean over 500% of it was copyvio. Could that be individual edits? Otherwise I suggest: day mon, 2011 Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org), a non-profit project run by the Wikimedia Foundation, uses an open licence but with some terms. The Chinese Wikipedia community welcomes the development of Baidu's encyclopedia project Baidu Baike, as Baidu's efforts to build a Chinese language encyclopaedia are complementary to Wikimedia's aims to make the sum of human knowledge freely available to everyone in the world. However, Baidu Baike has repeatedly violated the copyright of Wikipedia. Wikipedians have complained many times but without result. Baidu Baike started in April 2006, and now has more than 3 million articles. However, Wikipedian's investigations indicate that more than 16,000,000 of the edits that created these articles were copies from the Chinese Wikipedia or translations from the English or Japanese versions of Wikipedia. These copies and translations were done without complying with the licence adopted by Wikipedia. This is a copyright violation against Wikipedia editors, who write for free, asking only that their work remains free and is attributed to them. So the contents of Wikipedia are available to all under the CC-by-sa-3.0 and GDFL licences, including to Baidu. But Baidu Baike doesn't comply with these licences, and claims ownership of all content contributed to it with "? 2011 Baidu" stated at the bottom of every page. As for attribution, according to some users, even if all content is copied from Wikipedia, Baidu' does not allow Wikipedia even to be listed as a reference. When Wikipedians find people have copied and pasted content from Baidu Baike into Wikipedia they quickly delete this as it breaches Baidu's copyright. But Baidu Baike editors take insufficient action when they see copyright violation. The terms of use of Baidu Baike say the users who post material are responsible for the copyright issues, but as the operator of Baidu Baike, Baidu should also take responsibility to resolve this. Therefore, the Chinese Wikipedia community has sent a letter again to Baidu requesting them to take action, and has decided to escalate matters by doing so publicly. There is a great opportunity here for Baidu and its contributors. Moving Baidu Baike to the CC-by-sa-3.0 licence would allow Wikipedia and Baidu Baike to exchange content and attribute it to the original authors. Users of Baidu Baike would have more confidence that the material was legitimate, and writers who contribute to Baidu Baike would know that their content could be translated into other language versions of Wikipedia with attribution, just as Chinese Wikipedians know that some of their writings are translated into other languages but still attributed to them. About Wikipedia Wikipedia is an Encyclopaedia written by volunteers, and is the largest project of the Wikimedia Foundation. "Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment." This is how Jimmy Wales, the founder of Wikipedia, explains the mission of Wikimedia. About CC-by-sa-3.0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CC-BY-SA-3.0 Press contact Wikimedia Hong Kong: infowikimedia.hk Tango Chan: tango.chanwikimedia.hk +852 9063-2515 Wikimedia Taiwan: presswikimedia.tw Ted Chien: htchienwikimedia.tw Chinese Wikipedia OTRS system: info-zhwikimedia.org WSC > > -- > > English version > > > Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution > > > > > day mon, 2011 > Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org), a non-profit project run by Wikimedia > Foundation, uses an open licence but with some terms. > The Chinese Wikipedia community is glad to see the development of Baidu's > encyclopedia project called Baidu Baike, and Baidu's efforts to push forward > the > growing of knowledge around Chinese people, for Wikipedia also aims at making > the sum of human's knowledge free to everyone in the world. However, Baidu > Baike > keeps violating the copyright of Wikipedia. Wikipedians have complained many > times but without result. > Baidu Baike started in April 2006, and has included 3 million more articles > now. > However, Wikipedian's investigation shows that among these articles more than > 16,000,000 were copied from Chinese, English or Japenese Wikipedia, and were > used in a way against the licence adopted by Wikipedia. This is a copyright > violation to Wikipedia editors. Wikipedia releases its contents under > CC-by-sa-3.0 and GDFL licences, while Baidu Baike doesn't claim to be using > these licences, even with "? 2011 Baidu" stated at the bottom of the page. As > for attribution, according to some users, even if all content is copied from > Wikipedia, it is not allowed by Baidu's censorship to list Wikipedia as a > reference. When Wikiped
Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to Baidu and press release "Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution" draft / 百度百科多次侵犯維基百科版權之新聞稿及至百度信件草擬本
HW, 24/04/2011 06:05: > Baidu Baike started in April 2006, and has included 3 million more articles > now. > However, Wikipedian's investigation shows that among these articles more than > 16,000,000 were copied from Chinese, English or Japenese Wikipedia,[...] There's something wrong here (perhaps it's just the translation). 16,000,000 articles ⊈ 3,000,000 articles. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
