Re: [Foundation-l] Welcoming Jon Davies as our new Chief Executive

[Sue Gardner]

On 27 September 2011 10:30, Chris Keating  wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Wikimedia UK is very pleased to announce that after a very thorough
> recruitment process we have appointed Jon Davies as our first Chief
> Executive, starting next Monday.



Fabulous! Welcome to Jon, and congratulations to the UK Board -- this
is an important day for Wikimedia UK :-)

Thanks,
Sue

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Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

[Nikola Smolenski]

On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 20:07 -0400, Anthony wrote:
> UK requires originality.  But it's not at all clear that a photograph
> of something out of copyright is unoriginal (even if that something is
> "two dimensional").
> 
> By the common meaning of the word "original", I'd say the photograph
> *is* original.  OTOH, under US precedent it *probably* isn't within

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/original?show=1&t=1317181660

>1
>: of, relating to, or constituting an origin or beginning : initial
 

The photograph does not constitute an origin or beginning.

>2
>a : not secondary, derivative, or imitative 

The photograph is secondary, derivative and imitative.

>b : being the first instance or source from which a copy, reproduction,
or translation is or can be made 

The photograph is not the first instance.

>3
>: independent and creative in thought or action : inventive  

The photograph is not independent or creative.


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Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

[Anthony]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Ryan Kaldari  wrote:
> As far as law outside the U.S. is concerned, the Feist decision has had
> more of an impact than Bridgeman (probably because it was a Supreme
> Court decision). Since Feist (1991), many common
> law countries have moved
> towards applying the "threshold of originality" standard and away from
> the "sweat of the brow" standard.[1] Canada, for example, now largely
> follows Feist. Even UK jurisprudence is gradually transitioning (and is
> currently inconsistent).

UK requires originality.  But it's not at all clear that a photograph
of something out of copyright is unoriginal (even if that something is
"two dimensional").

By the common meaning of the word "original", I'd say the photograph
*is* original.  OTOH, under US precedent it *probably* isn't within
the US legal meaning of the term.  In any case, any copyright on the
photograph of course does not extend to the text.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[とある白い猫]

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es

Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which allows
easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated unfortunately
making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was applied.

  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)


2011/9/27 とある白い猫 

> Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons
> userpage. Consider something like
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de
> Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and
> etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but expecting
> them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too much.
>
> The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep these
> pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example we
> expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a  wikimania each
> year. It would only make sense if these "current events" are templated on
> their own.
>
>   -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
>
>
> 2011/9/27 Mono mium 
>
>> Might make sense.
>>
>> 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 
>>
>> > Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to
>> be
>> > difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often
>> > with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style
>> > info is "removed" into a template and translations only deal with words.
>> >
>> > Feel free to comment at:
>> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates
>> >
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Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

[Anthony]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Anthony  wrote:
> By the common meaning of the word "original", I'd say the photograph
> *is* original.  OTOH, under US precedent it *probably* isn't within
> the US legal meaning of the term.

I should add that, in my US analysis, I was making the assumption that
there was no creative post-processing of the photograph, which on
second thought is not a safe assumption.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

[Ryan Kaldari]

Wow, it looks like I may be wrong. Very good news from Australia! Thanks 
for the link.

Ryan Kaldari

On 9/27/11 11:57 AM, Stephen Bain wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 4:35 AM, Ryan Kaldari  wrote:
>> (Australia, however, is still decidedly sweat
>> based).
> Well, we recently confirmed that computers can't have sweat on their
> brows. So there's some progress!
>
> http://www.thenewlawyer.com.au/article/high-court-closes-book-on-telstra/531627.aspx
>

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Re: [Foundation-l] Three short films about Wikipedia

[Lennart Guldbrandsson]

Hello Bodnotbod,

Thank you for your input. They are not late at all. I have worked with
writing and films for about ten years now, so I do not take your comments
personally. The only comment that is new is that I should leave the
director's chair to someone else. If you could be more specific about that,
I would be grateful. Do you think the camera angles are wrong, the cutting
is bad, the acting is hammy (it didn't appear so, but I include it for
completeness sake), the interpretation of the script is shallow, the
atmosphere is that the filming was rushed, the tempo is too slow or too
fast, the stories are too bad, the characters are too uninteresting, the
actors are too similar, the places are badly chosen, the "rooms" of the film
are disturbed, or something else? Precision would certainly help. Thanks in
advance.

Just a clarification when it comes to the other point: the films were really
too long for the average passerby, who passed the stand in about one to
three second (there were around 900 stands there). What we were after were
not only that people would stand and watch the entire films - it was to make
the stand more lively than with only text, or worse, with computer code.
Human movement on screens at the back of the stand were very effective at
getting people to stop, but we tried to get them to start editing, not to
get them to watch the films. The films are not *that* effective that we
could rely on them to make the argument for us. But they were one of the
ways "in". Another method that worked well was to give people stickers with
the Wikipedia globe and ask them how often they used Wikipedia.

That does not, of course, negate your comments. I assure you that I take
them seriously. But I need more information.

Thanks.

Best wishes,

Lennart



2011/9/27 Bod Notbod 

> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson
>  wrote:
>
> > This year, we have prepared three short films about why the visitors
> should
> > contribute to Wikipedia (roughly a minute each) that we will show
> > continuously over the four days of the fair. But before we show them for
> the
> > public, I'd like to show them to you.
>
> I'm a bit late replying and, even worse, I'm going to commit a
> cardinal sin. But here goes.
>
> Positives: I thought the videos looked very professional. And I can
> see that you went to some effort to make the videos make sense without
> sound, as you have people pointing at things in a very direct manner.
>
> Unfortunately, though (and I know it's frowned upon to be critical of
> others hard work) I still don't think they quite work as non-sound
> videos.
>
> I put myself in the position of the intended audience: someone at a
> busy fair. I will see on the videos lips moving without sound. I will
> assume there *should be* sound. Lips are moving = "where is the
> sound?" for me. With us on this mailing list you have told us not to
> expect it, but you surely aren't telling everyone at the fair that
> there isn't any to be heard. I would merely glance at the screen, see
> people talking and think "oh, no sound" and walk away or look
> elsewhere.
>
> Nevertheless, the first two would work on me if I had someone telling
> me "just watch". The third one (with the grandchildren) failed for me.
> With the first two I could understand what they were trying to convey
> to a large degree. The third one I found totally obscure. Again, I
> know what was intended because you told us and the sign at the end
> seals the deal, but with the third one I didn't think the images
> really added anything to the end message.
>
> Again, sorry to be largely negative about them. They look professional
> in image quality and there's no hammy performances or stuff to make
> you go "ugh!" and I would certainly be glad to see you make more
> films... although I might suggest someone else had directorial
> control...
>
> With best intentions,
>
> Bodnotbod
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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[とある白い猫]

Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons
userpage. Consider something like
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de
Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and etc.
It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but expecting them
to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too much.

The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep these
pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example we
expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a  wikimania each
year. It would only make sense if these "current events" are templated on
their own.

  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)


2011/9/27 Mono mium 

> Might make sense.
>
> 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 
>
> > Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to
> be
> > difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often
> > with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style
> > info is "removed" into a template and translations only deal with words.
> >
> > Feel free to comment at:
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates
> >
> >  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
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Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

[Stephen Bain]

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 4:35 AM, Ryan Kaldari  wrote:
>
> (Australia, however, is still decidedly sweat
> based).

Well, we recently confirmed that computers can't have sweat on their
brows. So there's some progress!

http://www.thenewlawyer.com.au/article/high-court-closes-book-on-telstra/531627.aspx

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[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing Community Fellow Jon Harald Søby

[Siko Bouterse]

Hi all,

Our fellowships
programis
growing, and I'm pleased to announce Jon
Harald Søby  as
our newest Community Fellow.  Jon brings 6 years of experience in the
Wikimedia community to his fellowship: he is an active editor, translator
and vandal fighter for several Wikimedia projects, an admin and bureaucrat
for Norwegian Wikipedia, and in the past has also been a steward, board
member for Wikimedia Norge, member of the election committee for Wikimedia
Norge and Wikimedia Sverige, and OTRS volunteer.

Language and localization are a major area of interest for Jon. Not only
does he help translate the MediaWiki interface and extensions, he's also a
founding member of the Language Committee and is finishing up a BA degree in
Linguistics from Norwegian University of Science and Technology. He has
traveled widely is always thinking from a global perspective. All of this
makes Jon a great fit for his fellowship project, which is focused on
piloting a new model for volunteer translations in the 2011 Fundraiser.
(Full disclosure: Jon started working with WMF earlier this summer as a
Fundraiser Production Coordinator, but we just had to make him a Community
Fellow when we saw how much potential there was for this project!).

Jon's fellowship will run until February 2012. His project priorities
include recruiting and coordinating more translators for more languages,
building pages and processes that make it easier for new volunteers to get
started, and improving systems for producing high-quality translations. To
learn more about the project or volunteer to help, please visit the 2011
Fundraiser Translations
pageand
sign
upto
be a translator.
Welcome, Jon!

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Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

[Ryan Kaldari]

As far as law outside the U.S. is concerned, the Feist decision has had 
more of an impact than Bridgeman (probably because it was a Supreme 
Court decision). Since Feist (1991), many common 
law countries have moved 
towards applying the "threshold of originality" standard and away from 
the "sweat of the brow" standard.[1] Canada, for example, now largely 
follows Feist. Even UK jurisprudence is gradually transitioning (and is 
currently inconsistent). (Australia, however, is still decidedly sweat 
based). The enactment of database rights throughout Europe has made this 
transition easier, as even without sweat of the brow, database IP is now 
protected (independent of copyright) throughout Europe.

Israel is both a common law and civil law country. I'm not aware of any 
court cases in Israel that have addressed this issue so far. It will be 
interesting to see how this issue plays out there. For the record, 
though, I would never trust a museum to give me a accurate assessment of 
the state of copyright law in a given country.

1. Gervais, Daniel J. (Summer 2002). "Feist Goes Global: A Comparative 
Analysis of the Notion of Originality in Copyright Law". /Journal of the 
Copyright Society of the U.S.A./ *49*: 949--981.

Ryan Kaldari

On 9/26/11 3:39 PM, Anthony wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Ray Saintonge  wrote:
>> On 09/26/11 12:27 PM, emijrp wrote:
>>> If originals don't have copyright, how can The Israel Museum claim any
>>> copyright for scans which lack originality?[1]
>>>
>>> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Corel_Corp.
>> The cited case is a US case, and not necessarily binding in other countries.
> It's not even binding on other districts within the US.
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[Foundation-l] Welcoming Jon Davies as our new Chief Executive

[Chris Keating]

Dear all,

Wikimedia UK is very pleased to announce that after a very thorough
recruitment process we have appointed Jon Davies as our first Chief
Executive, starting next Monday. Jon has extensive experience in the
non-profit sector in the UK, and this will be his first Wikimedia role. Many
people in the UK community met Jon at the most recent London wikimeet, and
the whole Wikimedia UK board is very pleased that he is joining us. I am
sure Jon will be along to introduce himself in the next few days.

More details from Andrew Turvey at;
http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2011/09/welcoming-our-new-chief-executive/

Regards,

Chris Keating
(User:The Land)
Wikimedia UK
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Re: [Foundation-l] Three short films about Wikipedia

[Bod Notbod]

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson
 wrote:

> This year, we have prepared three short films about why the visitors should
> contribute to Wikipedia (roughly a minute each) that we will show
> continuously over the four days of the fair. But before we show them for the
> public, I'd like to show them to you.

I'm a bit late replying and, even worse, I'm going to commit a
cardinal sin. But here goes.

Positives: I thought the videos looked very professional. And I can
see that you went to some effort to make the videos make sense without
sound, as you have people pointing at things in a very direct manner.

Unfortunately, though (and I know it's frowned upon to be critical of
others hard work) I still don't think they quite work as non-sound
videos.

I put myself in the position of the intended audience: someone at a
busy fair. I will see on the videos lips moving without sound. I will
assume there *should be* sound. Lips are moving = "where is the
sound?" for me. With us on this mailing list you have told us not to
expect it, but you surely aren't telling everyone at the fair that
there isn't any to be heard. I would merely glance at the screen, see
people talking and think "oh, no sound" and walk away or look
elsewhere.

Nevertheless, the first two would work on me if I had someone telling
me "just watch". The third one (with the grandchildren) failed for me.
With the first two I could understand what they were trying to convey
to a large degree. The third one I found totally obscure. Again, I
know what was intended because you told us and the sign at the end
seals the deal, but with the third one I didn't think the images
really added anything to the end message.

Again, sorry to be largely negative about them. They look professional
in image quality and there's no hammy performances or stuff to make
you go "ugh!" and I would certainly be glad to see you make more
films... although I might suggest someone else had directorial
control...

With best intentions,

Bodnotbod

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Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

[emijrp]

Looks like you don't know the meaning of "common" word.

I also know how to paste cool links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan_and_copyright_issues

2011/9/27 Anthony 

> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 6:57 PM, emijrp  wrote:
> > OMG ISRAEL IS OUT OF USA? REALLY?
> >
> > Come on. The point here is that originality is a common requirement for
> > claiming copyright.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweat_of_the_brow
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Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

[Billinghurst]

Is the copyright claim on the scroll or the image.  I would expect the latter 
and they are 
perfectly entitled to claim copyright on the image, the issue is that in 
various countries 
it could be held true by the courts that it is in copyright, and in others it 
isn't.  
Truth in copyright claims is like truth in advertising. ;-)

Regards, Andrew


On 27 Sep 2011 at 0:57, emijrp wrote:

> OMG ISRAEL IS OUT OF USA? REALLY?
> 
> Come on. The point here is that originality is a common requirement for
> claiming copyright.
> 
> 2011/9/27 Anthony 
> 
> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Ray Saintonge 
> > wrote:
> > > On 09/26/11 12:27 PM, emijrp wrote:
> > >> If originals don't have copyright, how can The Israel Museum claim any
> > >> copyright for scans which lack originality?[1]
> > >>
> > >> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Corel_Corp.
> > >
> > > The cited case is a US case, and not necessarily binding in other
> > countries.
> >
> > It's not even binding on other districts within the US.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

[John Vandenberg]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:55 AM, Chris Keating
 wrote:
>>
>> Finally, the Dead Sea Scrolls[1] have copyright[2]. Courtesy of The Israel
>> Museum. Congratulations.
>
>
> If the Dead Sea Scrolls were divinely inspired, like other Biblical texts,
> then there is an argument that the author is still alive ;-)
>
> (c) God, 2011

;-)

Are there any jurisdictions where a religious texts have been refused
a copyright for reason of being divine?

There are a few legal cases about copyright of religious texts where
the copyright has been given to the 'medium' / 'channeler'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_on_religious_works

And there is the crown hold copyright on KJV, in perpetuity.

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[Foundation-l] The Signpost – Volume 7, Issue 39 – 26 September 2011

[Wikipedia Signpost]

Opinion essay: The global mission, the image filter and the "German question"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-09-26/Opinion_essay

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partnerships, and eyebrows raised over minors editing porn-related
content
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-09-26/News_and_notes

In the news: Sockpuppeting journalist recants, search dominance
threatened, new novels replete with Wikipedia references
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-09-26/In_the_news

WikiProject report: A project in overdrive: WikiProject Automobiles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-09-26/WikiProject_report

Featured content: The best of the week
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-09-26/Featured_content

Arbitration report: "Broadly construed" explained, voting begins on
Senkaku Islands case, invitation to comment on CU/OS candidates
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-09-26/Arbitration_report

Technology report: 1.18 deployment on track, "mythical" Git migration
scheduled, editor decline statistics improved
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-09-26/Technology_report


Single page view

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single


PDF version

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-09-26



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