Re: [Foundation-l] Tor guys talking about what happens when your innocent western filter shows up in a repressive state.
Le 19/01/2012 23:10, Kim Bruning a écrit : > > > As always I wish we could cooperate with tor more. > > sincerely > Kim bruning > Tor allow hidden services. A special service of Tor could be to serve Wikipedia's pages through its exit nodes. That would grant access to knowledge to people in censored countries. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Tor guys talking about what happens when your innocent western filter shows up in a repressive state.
Apparently tor has been having some issues dealing with filtering software that repressive regimes have been importing from the west Here they discuss the ethics of making filter software, from their in-the-trenches perspective. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DX46Qv_b7F4#t=3944s (from tor talk at CCC) The entire video is a fascinating discussion on how censorship works, and how these guys are working to fight it. I'm really impressed by what they do and how they think. As always I wish we could cooperate with tor more. sincerely Kim bruning -- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown
On 19 January 2012 17:26, FT2 wrote: > Point of information: - are proposals mooted for an alternative DNS root? > Presumably, since satellite proposals exist and those are even more radical. There are many existing alternate roots. I suspect it would break into national or continental roots who trust each other to some degree, then may federate without the US. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown
Point of information: - are proposals mooted for an alternative DNS root? Presumably, since satellite proposals exist and those are even more radical. FT2 On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:20 PM, David Gerard wrote: > > Come the SOPAcalypse, the DNS root will fragment. I wonder if Google > will break itself up for the purpose. > > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown
On 19 January 2012 17:15, FT2 wrote: > The question is, do you plan to migrate the major search engines and DNS > servers? If so, then migration might help. Come the SOPAcalypse, the DNS root will fragment. I wonder if Google will break itself up for the purpose. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown
The question is, do you plan to migrate the major search engines and DNS servers? If so, then migration might help. FT2 On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Next time we should just migrate and fork to a jurisdiction > outside the US control. If that is needed. > > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Mono wrote: >> I do agree that this kind of action must be severely limited. We cannot go >> on like this; we've used up our shutdown for about five years. The shutdown >> makes waves, but its effect will diminish with overuse. This is the kind of >> thing we should not repeat for a long while. > > +1 (personal opinion). This is an extraordinary measure and should be > used extremely judiciously. I believe it has been, here. > I Agree. Next time we should just migrate and fork to a jurisdiction outside the US control. If that is needed. -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown
On 19 January 2012 02:27, George Herbert wrote: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:02 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: >> The community en.wp decision is separate, but it was also nuanced, and >> so I don't think it's true that all these issues were bulldozed, >> within Wikipedia or the WMF. (I don't know about the bullying aspect; >> I hadn't encountered that or heard other complaints about it, but I am >> concerned to hear this report -- that's certainly no good.) > There was bullying in the IRC session, bullying on the VP, bullying in > talk pages, bullying in the RFC. That's worrying. Do you have diff links? - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Error at Special:CongressLookup
[crossposted to Foundation-l and WikiEN-l] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CongressLookup Can someone please change "zip code" to "ZIP code" again? (This error was corrected in the blackout notice yesterday.) I haven't managed to get anyone's attention via the IRC channels. Thanks! David Levy ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown
On 19 January 2012 02:27, George Herbert wrote: > It sounds like the Foundation was more organized about it than the > community, and didn't reach out to push early enough. I understand > the desire not to be seen to be leading the community around, but it > seems to have led to a counterproductively late push (from my point, > of lack of community discussion time). Given the depth of Foundation > internal discussions, perhaps it should have been earlier, at least in > a "heads-up" sense asking for the community to start prepping / get > more result-focused. I'm really not sure it would have made any difference. The Wikipedia community will fiddle around the edges of an issue *forever*. If you say to a bunch of Wikipedians "the sky is blue", they'll come back with a hundred pages of referenced counterexamples. The key skill to being a Wikipedia editor appears to be generalised cross-domain bikeshedding. What absolutely amazes me about this whole thing is that several hundred Wikipedians largely agreed on *anything at all*. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
