[Foundation-l] Wikipedia crashes browser

2012-01-20 Thread James Heilman
Wikipedia crashes Google chrome every time it logs me out. It appears
to log me out every hour even though I have requested that it keep me
logged in for 30 days. Has anyone else had this problem and does
anyone know how to get it fixed. I posted to couple of places on Wiki
a few months ago with little response.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia crashes browser

2012-01-20 Thread Erkan Yilmaz
Does this happen with other browsers too?
Does it happen on a specific wiki (page) only (e.g. en, de, commons, ...)?
Since when started this behaviour?
Which google browser, OS are you using?
You could try to make another account to see if it perhaps account related?
... more questions actually but let's wait for  the answers

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 9:49 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wikipedia crashes Google chrome every time it logs me out. It appears
 to log me out every hour even though I have requested that it keep me
 logged in for 30 days. Has anyone else had this problem and does
 anyone know how to get it fixed. I posted to couple of places on Wiki
 a few months ago with little response.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia crashes browser

2012-01-20 Thread Minh Huy (WMF)
I am using Chrome 17beta, not detect this. My home wiki: vi.wikipedia.org

2012/1/20, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com:
 Wikipedia crashes Google chrome every time it logs me out. It appears
 to log me out every hour even though I have requested that it keep me
 logged in for 30 days. Has anyone else had this problem and does
 anyone know how to get it fixed. I posted to couple of places on Wiki
 a few months ago with little response.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia crashes browser

2012-01-20 Thread Svip
On 20 January 2012 10:22, Minh Huy (WMF) minhhuyw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am using Chrome 17beta, not detect this. My home wiki: vi.wikipedia.org

You are using a beta release of a browser?  Yeah, I'd rather wait for
the stable release before we start dealing in unfinished software
support.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia crashes browser

2012-01-20 Thread Minh Huy (WMF)
Yes, it's beta version for Chrome.

2012/1/20, Svip svi...@gmail.com:
 On 20 January 2012 10:22, Minh Huy (WMF) minhhuyw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am using Chrome 17beta, not detect this. My home wiki: vi.wikipedia.org

 You are using a beta release of a browser?  Yeah, I'd rather wait for
 the stable release before we start dealing in unfinished software
 support.

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[Foundation-l] iBooks vs. wBooks?

2012-01-20 Thread Magnus Manske
(This mail is focused on books, but the topic is of more general
interest IMHO, thus foundation-l)

Hi all,

I just saw the iBooks Author news:
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/01/19/a-closer-look-at-ibooks-author-textbooks-and-exclusivity/

Of course, all these pretty books will be only available in the Apple
paywalled garden.

So I thought: As they use basically HTML5 (plus a few proprietary
libraries), could we produce such interactive, tablet/phone-enabled
e-books (wBooks as in Wikimedia:-) from free content? I believe
the answer is yes, though it might be quite a push technologically
(just to be clear, I am speaking of the books here, not of the
authoring software).

Also: Should we? I believe the answer is yes as well, for two reasons.
One, Apples work here might (yet again) set a new standard, which
means everything falling short of that standard will be neglected by
the target audience, which runs counter to our declared goal of
disseminating free knowledge; standing still might well mean falling
behind. Another reason is the opportunity that Apple creates for us
here: Once such e-books become accepted as general teaching tools in
schools, it will be much easier to switch from Apple-only, costly
books to run-everywhere, free books; they might just win the
technology battle for us.


What do you think?


Cheers,
Magnus

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Re: [Foundation-l] iBooks vs. wBooks?

2012-01-20 Thread Dirk Franke
Yeah!

regards,

southpark

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

 (This mail is focused on books, but the topic is of more general
 interest IMHO, thus foundation-l)

 Hi all,

 I just saw the iBooks Author news:

 http://www.macrumors.com/2012/01/19/a-closer-look-at-ibooks-author-textbooks-and-exclusivity/

 Of course, all these pretty books will be only available in the Apple
 paywalled garden.

 So I thought: As they use basically HTML5 (plus a few proprietary
 libraries), could we produce such interactive, tablet/phone-enabled
 e-books (wBooks as in Wikimedia:-) from free content? I believe
 the answer is yes, though it might be quite a push technologically
 (just to be clear, I am speaking of the books here, not of the
 authoring software).

 Also: Should we? I believe the answer is yes as well, for two reasons.
 One, Apples work here might (yet again) set a new standard, which
 means everything falling short of that standard will be neglected by
 the target audience, which runs counter to our declared goal of
 disseminating free knowledge; standing still might well mean falling
 behind. Another reason is the opportunity that Apple creates for us
 here: Once such e-books become accepted as general teaching tools in
 schools, it will be much easier to switch from Apple-only, costly
 books to run-everywhere, free books; they might just win the
 technology battle for us.


 What do you think?


 Cheers,
 Magnus

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Re: [Foundation-l] Resolution:Developing Scenarios for future of fundraising

2012-01-20 Thread Ilario Valdelli
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Pronoein prono...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why does the Board of Trustees think that WMF should raise the «maximum
 possible amount of money»?
 Why not ask for what is needed and nothing more?


I agree. A no profit association should raise the opportune amount
otherwise there a profit.

Ilario

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[Foundation-l] Announcement: Maggie Dennis to continue with WMF

2012-01-20 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Hi all,

I'm thrilled to announce that Maggie Dennis, our community liaison, has
agreed to transition to a permanent role with the Wikimedia Foundation.

You may recall that Maggie was hired on a temporary contract, with the idea
of rotating through community liaisons.  We still intend to hire another
community liaison - in fact, her work has proven the value of the program
to such an extent that we'll be expanding it - but Maggie will stay on to
provide continuity.

Maggie has been a godsend to me... she's a fount of knowledge, and
incredibly hard working.  Most importantly, she is able to fluently speak
Philippe and translate that to real-people talk.  As
User:Moonriddengirl, she is the maven of copyright for English Wikipedia,
and has well over 100,000 edits.  In short, she's a rock star.

Maggie will continue to report to me.

Best,
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Re: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Maggie Dennis to continue with WMF

2012-01-20 Thread Oliver Keyes
+1 to all of that. Maggie is a rock, and always keeps me pointing in the
right direction; since I started contracting for the WMF, she's probably
the person I've relied on the most for advice. She's smart, she's good with
people, and she constantly makes me feel bad about only working 10 hour
days. Glad to know I can keep picking her brain in the future ;)

On 20 January 2012 19:55, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 I'm thrilled to announce that Maggie Dennis, our community liaison, has
 agreed to transition to a permanent role with the Wikimedia Foundation.

 You may recall that Maggie was hired on a temporary contract, with the idea
 of rotating through community liaisons.  We still intend to hire another
 community liaison - in fact, her work has proven the value of the program
 to such an extent that we'll be expanding it - but Maggie will stay on to
 provide continuity.

 Maggie has been a godsend to me... she's a fount of knowledge, and
 incredibly hard working.  Most importantly, she is able to fluently speak
 Philippe and translate that to real-people talk.  As
 User:Moonriddengirl, she is the maven of copyright for English Wikipedia,
 and has well over 100,000 edits.  In short, she's a rock star.

 Maggie will continue to report to me.

 Best,
 pb

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[Foundation-l] (PRESS RELEASE) Statement from the Wikimedia Foundation regarding developments in Washington on SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Jay Walsh
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Statement_on_Jan_20_events_in_Washington

*Statement from the Wikimedia Foundation regarding developments in
Washington on SOPA and PIPA*

San Francisco, CA -- January 20, 2012 -- On January 18, millions of people
called their Congressional representatives to denounce SOPA and PIPA as
attacks on the free and open Internet. This morning, leaders in the House
and Senate announced consideration of the bills would be indefinitely
postponed, after many members of Congress, including some supporters of the
bills, issued statements disassociating themselves from the legislation
over the past two days.

Sue Gardner, Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, said:

The Wikimedia Foundation welcomes these developments. This is another step
towards the ultimate destruction of these two pieces of proposed
legislation. But let’s be clear, these bills are not dead. They will
return, and when they do, they must not harm the interests of the hundreds
of millions of people who contribute to the free and open Internet.

The blackout was led by millions of ordinary Internet users, and the people
who make projects like Wikipedia possible - writers, photographers, editors
and illustrators. They sent a clear message to Congress: don’t mess with
free expression, don’t destroy the free and open Internet, don’t do the
bidding of traditional corporate interests. This is a moment in history
when the people who create and share works on the Internet as part of the
free knowledge movement, and the people who depend on access to those
works, are asking to be heard and to have their freedom of speech protected.


*About the Wikimedia Foundation*
http://wikimediafoundation.org
http://blog.wikimedia.org

The Wikimedia Foundation is the non-profit organization that operates
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. According to comScore Media Metrix,
Wikipedia and the other projects operated by the Wikimedia Foundation
receive more than 474 million unique visitors per month, making them the
fifth-most popular web property world-wide (comScore, November 2011).
Available in 282 languages, Wikipedia contains more than 20 million
articles contributed by a global volunteer community of more than 100,000
people. Based in San Francisco, California, the Wikimedia Foundation is an
audited, 501(c)(3) charity that is funded primarily through donations and
grants.

Media Contact:

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[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] (PRESS RELEASE) Statement from the Wikimedia Foundation regarding developments in Washington on SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Jay Walsh
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Statement_on_Jan_20_events_in_Washington

*Statement from the Wikimedia Foundation regarding developments in
Washington on SOPA and PIPA*

San Francisco, CA -- January 20, 2012 -- On January 18, millions of people
called their Congressional representatives to denounce SOPA and PIPA as
attacks on the free and open Internet. This morning, leaders in the House
and Senate announced consideration of the bills would be indefinitely
postponed, after many members of Congress, including some supporters of the
bills, issued statements disassociating themselves from the legislation
over the past two days.

Sue Gardner, Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, said:

The Wikimedia Foundation welcomes these developments. This is another step
towards the ultimate destruction of these two pieces of proposed
legislation. But let’s be clear, these bills are not dead. They will
return, and when they do, they must not harm the interests of the hundreds
of millions of people who contribute to the free and open Internet.

The blackout was led by millions of ordinary Internet users, and the people
who make projects like Wikipedia possible - writers, photographers, editors
and illustrators. They sent a clear message to Congress: don’t mess with
free expression, don’t destroy the free and open Internet, don’t do the
bidding of traditional corporate interests. This is a moment in history
when the people who create and share works on the Internet as part of the
free knowledge movement, and the people who depend on access to those
works, are asking to be heard and to have their freedom of speech protected.


*About the Wikimedia Foundation*
http://wikimediafoundation.org
http://blog.wikimedia.org

The Wikimedia Foundation is the non-profit organization that operates
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. According to comScore Media Metrix,
Wikipedia and the other projects operated by the Wikimedia Foundation
receive more than 474 million unique visitors per month, making them the
fifth-most popular web property world-wide (comScore, November 2011).
Available in 282 languages, Wikipedia contains more than 20 million
articles contributed by a global volunteer community of more than 100,000
people. Based in San Francisco, California, the Wikimedia Foundation is an
audited, 501(c)(3) charity that is funded primarily through donations and
grants.

Media Contact:

Jay Walsh
Head of Communications
Wikimedia Foundation
Tel. +1 415 839 6885 x 6609
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[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] (press release) Wikipedia blackout affirms overwhelming support for free and open Internet

2012-01-20 Thread Jay Walsh
(Also posted at
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Wikipedia_blackout_supports_free_and_open_internet
)

*Wikipedia blackout affirms overwhelming support for free and open Internet
*Millions “Imagine a World Without Free Knowledge” and act to oppose
SOPA/PIPA

San Francisco, CA - January 19, 2012 -- Over the course of 24 hours on
Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 162 million people experienced the Wikipedia
blackout landing page -- an unprecedented, historic shuttering of the
largest repository of free knowledge in the world. More than 8 million U.S.
readers looked up their Congressional representatives through Wikipedia to
protest the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and the PROTECT IP Act (PIPA) --
proposed U.S. legislation that, if passed, will harm the free and open
Internet.

The protest drew worldwide attention to SOPA and PIPA, legislation that had
previously been cast as a battle between powerful corporate interests.
Before the blackout, the bills were poised to sail through Congress with
bi-partisan support. But after the public joined the debate on Wednesday,
members of Congress on both sides of the aisle declared their opposition
and made passage of the current bills much less likely.

“The Wikipedia blackout is over and the public has spoken,” said Sue
Gardner, Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director. “162 million of you saw
our blackout page asking if you could imagine a world without free
knowledge. You said no. You shut down the Congressional switchboards, and
you melted their servers. Your voice was loud and strong.”

Immediately after the blackout started, #factswithoutwikipedia,
#sopastrike, and “Imagine a World Without Free Knowledge” trended worldwide
on Twitter. In the first hour of the blackout, #wikipediablackout
constituted 1% of all tweets. More than 12,000 people posted comments of
support on the Wikimedia Foundation’s blog post announcing the blackout.

For Wikipedia, this fight has never been about money, but about knowledge.
As a community of authors, editors, photographers, and programmers,
Wikipedians invite everyone to share and build upon the work already begun.

In a little over a decade, Wikipedians have built the largest encyclopedia
in human history. Wikipedia’s mission is to empower and engage people to
document the sum of all human knowledge, and to make it available to all
humanity, in perpetuity.

The Internet has enabled creativity, knowledge, and innovation to shine. As
Wikipedia and other websites went dark, readers directed their energy to
protecting the free and open Internet.

We thank our readers for their support.

*About the Wikimedia Foundation
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http://blog.wikimedia.org

The Wikimedia Foundation is the non-profit organization that operates
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. According to comScore Media Metrix,
Wikipedia and the other projects operated by the Wikimedia Foundation
receive more than 474 million unique visitors per month, making them the
fifth-most popular web property world-wide (comScore, November 2011).
Available in 282 languages, Wikipedia contains more than 20 million
articles contributed by a global volunteer community of more than 100,000
people. Based in San Francisco, California, the Wikimedia Foundation is an
audited, 501(c)(3) charity that is funded primarily through donations and
grants.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Maggie Dennis to continue with WMF

2012-01-20 Thread James Forrester
On 20 January 2012 19:55, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm thrilled to announce that Maggie Dennis, our community liaison, has
 agreed to transition to a permanent role with the Wikimedia Foundation.


Fab news. Congratulations, Maggie (or, rather, congratulations, WMF!).

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Re: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Maggie Dennis to continue with WMF

2012-01-20 Thread FT2
I said to her when temporarily hired that the Foundation could not have
chosen anyone better for the role :)

She is superb.

FT2


On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Philippe Beaudette
phili...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 Hi all,

 I'm thrilled to announce that Maggie Dennis, our community liaison, has
 agreed to transition to a permanent role with the Wikimedia Foundation.

 You may recall that Maggie was hired on a temporary contract, with the idea
 of rotating through community liaisons.  We still intend to hire another
 community liaison - in fact, her work has proven the value of the program
 to such an extent that we'll be expanding it - but Maggie will stay on to
 provide continuity.

 Maggie has been a godsend to me... she's a fount of knowledge, and
 incredibly hard working.  Most importantly, she is able to fluently speak
 Philippe and translate that to real-people talk.  As
 User:Moonriddengirl, she is the maven of copyright for English Wikipedia,
 and has well over 100,000 edits.  In short, she's a rock star.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Maggie Dennis to continue with WMF

2012-01-20 Thread Kat Walsh
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Philippe Beaudette
phili...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm thrilled to announce that Maggie Dennis, our community liaison, has
 agreed to transition to a permanent role with the Wikimedia Foundation.

Congratulations, Maggie--you have been doing great work and I'm glad
that you're crazy enough to want to keep doing it!

-Kat

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[Foundation-l] RFC: local mirrors for cheaper and faster access

2012-01-20 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Apparently, in the Sakha Republic in Eastern Russia, browsing sites
connected to the republic's network is cheap or free according to the
plan's the ISPs offers, while browsing sites outside the republic
costs more. So people often choose to read local news and forums and
request information from external sites only when necessary. This is
actually quite good for developing the local culture and fostering the
local language, but it may be detrimental for an international project
like Wikimedia.

Is anybody familiar with other places in which Internet access works like this?

Would it make sense to create some kind of a local mirror of Wikimedia
Projects to facilitate participate in such areas? Creating a data
center in every such place would probably not be cost-effective, but
maybe there's some clever networking trick that could help people
overcome these costs, a proxy or some such? Or collaborating with
local Universities, Free Software groups or ISPs to host mirrors of
content in a language relevant to that area, that would be editable,
too?

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Re: [Foundation-l] RFC: local mirrors for cheaper and faster access

2012-01-20 Thread David Gerard
On 20 January 2012 22:19, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:

 Would it make sense to create some kind of a local mirror of Wikimedia
 Projects to facilitate participate in such areas? Creating a data
 center in every such place would probably not be cost-effective, but
 maybe there's some clever networking trick that could help people
 overcome these costs, a proxy or some such? Or collaborating with
 local Universities, Free Software groups or ISPs to host mirrors of
 content in a language relevant to that area, that would be editable,
 too?


A local squid?


- d.

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Re: [Foundation-l] iBooks vs. wBooks?

2012-01-20 Thread Gregory Varnum
I tend to agree - I also think these tools present new opportunities for how to 
create program guides for events like Wikimania that transform into conference 
yearbooks by including videos from the event in the weeks following.  Perhaps 
releasing a developer handbook that updates every month or so (or maybe when a 
new version is released) to help with those education/outreach efforts, etc.  
Having a wBook open on my iPad with videos, audio, slides and documentation on 
how to use something like ResourceLoader would be very cool and helpful.

In general, I agree these tools help set standards for interactive e-books 
(especially e-textbooks) supported by HTML5 that - while initially geared 
towards Apple platforms - is done in a way they will no doubt be made available 
and replicated on Android, BlackBerry, Windows Mobile, etc. pretty quick.

If this latest development means that education publications are transformed in 
the way that music was transformed by iTunes - I think it would be wise to 
investigate ways to utilize - or at least support - these new standards and 
tools.

-greg aka varnent


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On Jan 20, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Dirk Franke wrote:

 Yeah!
 
 regards,
 
 southpark
 
 On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com
 wrote:
 
 (This mail is focused on books, but the topic is of more general
 interest IMHO, thus foundation-l)
 
 Hi all,
 
 I just saw the iBooks Author news:
 
 http://www.macrumors.com/2012/01/19/a-closer-look-at-ibooks-author-textbooks-and-exclusivity/
 
 Of course, all these pretty books will be only available in the Apple
 paywalled garden.
 
 So I thought: As they use basically HTML5 (plus a few proprietary
 libraries), could we produce such interactive, tablet/phone-enabled
 e-books (wBooks as in Wikimedia:-) from free content? I believe
 the answer is yes, though it might be quite a push technologically
 (just to be clear, I am speaking of the books here, not of the
 authoring software).
 
 Also: Should we? I believe the answer is yes as well, for two reasons.
 One, Apples work here might (yet again) set a new standard, which
 means everything falling short of that standard will be neglected by
 the target audience, which runs counter to our declared goal of
 disseminating free knowledge; standing still might well mean falling
 behind. Another reason is the opportunity that Apple creates for us
 here: Once such e-books become accepted as general teaching tools in
 schools, it will be much easier to switch from Apple-only, costly
 books to run-everywhere, free books; they might just win the
 technology battle for us.
 
 
 What do you think?
 
 
 Cheers,
 Magnus
 
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[Foundation-l] Policies on wikimediafoundation.org

2012-01-20 Thread MZMcBride
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Policies#Policies lists policies of the
Wikimedia Foundation.

Would it make sense to sub-divide these policies into sub-lists? It seems
very strange to place all of these policies next to each other in a single
list.

I thought about splitting between Board-approved and Otherwise. Then I
considered splitting between Staff-related, Contributor-related,
Meetings-related,  etc., but I wasn't so sure how many of these policies
actually (allegedly) apply to contributors (e.g., the whistleblower policy).

Any thoughts on this?

MZMcBride



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Re: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Maggie Dennis to continue with WMF

2012-01-20 Thread Kim Bruning
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:55:40AM -0800, Philippe Beaudette wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I'm thrilled to announce that Maggie Dennis, our community liaison, has
 agreed to transition to a permanent role with the Wikimedia Foundation.

.oO(Who is Maggie Denn...)

  As
 User:Moonriddengirl 

Oh! Duh. Yes. Definitely keep her around. O:-)

(Congratulations. Keep up the good work! :-) 

sincerely,
Kim Bruning



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Re: [Foundation-l] Policies on wikimediafoundation.org

2012-01-20 Thread Steven Walling
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 4:19 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:

 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Policies#Policies lists policies of
 the
 Wikimedia Foundation.

 Would it make sense to sub-divide these policies into sub-lists? It seems
 very strange to place all of these policies next to each other in a single
 list.

 I thought about splitting between Board-approved and Otherwise. Then I
 considered splitting between Staff-related, Contributor-related,
 Meetings-related,  etc., but I wasn't so sure how many of these policies
 actually (allegedly) apply to contributors (e.g., the whistleblower
 policy).

 Any thoughts on this?

 MZMcBride


I think it makes sense to better delineate what applies to different
groups. I'd help, but considering I actually have probably as little clue
as anybody else on the topic, I'm guessing it might be a good idea to ask
legal at the WMF to give us the skinny.

Steven
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