Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcement: Building a new Legal and Community Advocacy Department & Promotion of Philippe Beaudette
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > However, the issue of advocacy is not generally agreed upon by the entire > community. SOPA blackout was the first and official action of its kind, > before we consider an advocacy department, do we have consensus that it is > something we should seek actively? "Advocacy" is a much more general term in this context than people seem to be taking it as. It does not mean lobbying or fighting for something controversial with outside organizations. As I understand it, it's the opposite: advocating to the Wikimedia Foundation on behalf of the community. The new "Community Advocacy" staff do what they've always done -- represent the community to the Wikimedia Foundation, liaise, and advocate for their issues. Taking into account Philippe's last role, reader relations, it probably also includes advocating for the readers as well. This just spins it off into its own department and gives it a name that more clearly defines what it does. Many organizations, especially membership associations, have positions devoted to advocacy like this. They're the contact people that represent the broader group to the rest of the organization and bring up issues that they want dealt with. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Feedback tab on the English Wikipedia
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > Well, has it ever been written down anywhere and solidified as Official > Standard Operating Procedure? If not, structured or not, it's informal ;) It is definitely way past the realm of "everyone knows this is the way things are done, even if it's not officially stamped 'policy'". However, the process is described on-wiki already: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes> -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Image file referendum Banners
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > it is affecting local geo-tagged banners on a lot of projects. No, it's not, actually. It used to be kicking the WikiConference India banner out, but we tweaked it so that it's sharing space with it. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Incubator: An interactive journey
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Robin Pepermans wrote: > I just realized that we will be able to add languages to > http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/langlist without having any existing > wiki in that language. Instead, they will point to Incubator when the > redirects are implemented. > For example, all redlinks on Special:SiteMatrix will point to the > Incubator wikis, and if we add e.g. 'inh' to the langlist, > [[inh:Page]] will point to incubator:Wp/inh/Page, without having any > real subdomain for that language. That's awesome. :-) > I do wonder how the interwiki bots would handle this... Let's just hope we get the Interlanguage extension up and running, and it'll be a moot point. ;-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 video on Commons?
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote: > If you really have a lot of > data (as you might for what's probably on the order of 5x3x6=90 hours of > video) > and are having trouble hosting all of it, you can also put it on a data > carrier > (say a stack of DVDs) and mail it to the datacenter by snail mail. But RobH > can > tell you more about that option, should you need it. ...and just generally, if you have questions or need help while doing it, Roan's a really nice, approachable guy, so feel free to ask him offlist. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Incubator: An interactive journey
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Thomas Goldammer wrote: > That'd be great, indeed. But if there is an article in enwiki about > that language, there is always also a link to the project(s), even if > it is in the incubator, example: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afar_language (it's near the bottom and > on the right edge, though, so one might not see it easily). Maybe one > could convince the communities to have such a link in other > wikipediae, too... I was just going to bring that up too. :-) It's obviously not a perfect solution, but it's likely that if someone were looking for a Wikipedia in their language, they'd probably type it into Google. So if we type in "Central Morocco Tamazight wikipedia", we get a link to <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Atlas_Tamazight> in the first result. They read more about what the article has to say, and then they see the link at the bottom and click on it. Much fewer steps, and at least a bit clearer/more logical. (This is actually what we do with many of the languages, at least on enwiki. See French for example: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language#External_links>.) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Question: Guidelines with regard to topics suitable for Geonotices
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Fae wrote: > It would be helpful if someone from the Foundation could > confirm whether guidelines that might result from such discussions > would be considered binding in the future for WMF and whether the > geonotices service as supported by the Foundation might have > restrictions on how it can be used or expectations for how it should > be used and who ought to have final responsibility for the nature of > the content of such geographically related notices. As far as I know, those watchlist geonotices on the English Wikipedia are something run by the English Wikipedia community. It's not related to CentralNotice or the Wikimedia Foundation, so they don't really determine the guidelines for its use -- enwiki's community does. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Huib Laurens wrote: > Don't think Austin has anything to do with this. While its strange > that a mail is gone. He doesn't. It's a known bug. It happened because the person started a line with the word "From". <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25231> -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Question: Elmer Fudd Wikipedia?
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Fae wrote: > Presumably the joke site http://wikien4.appspot.com/wiki is not an > agreed use of the Wikipedia logo? I suspect it may fail the license > terms under "Indicate changes". Thanks for the heads-up, Fæ. I poked Geoff/Michelle about it and they're looking into it. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] CDPedia
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 9:42 AM, emijrp wrote: > Please, can you add CDPedia[1] (Spanish Wikipedia) to [2]? > I think these things are usually requested on Bugzilla so that the people who have the power to do it can find the request. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 5:30 AM, David Gerard wrote: > It's like the perennial proposal for multiple article versions on > Wikipedia for each point of view. This solves a problem for the > *writers*, but makes one for the *readers*. They seem to want one > source with one article on a topic, else they'd just hit the top ten > links in Google instead of going to Wikipedia. (Wikinfo has tried > implementing this. Its readership is negligible compared to Wikipedia, > but its writers enjoy it.) > > Why do people want ten Wikipedias to look up instead of one? They > observably don't - they want a source they can quickly look up > something in that they can reasonably trust to be useful. They only go > to multiple sources if that one starts sucking. As a reader, this is exactly my subconscious opinion. I'm glad you nailed our subconscious thoughts. ;-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] en.wp HACKED?
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Chris Lee wrote: > I don't know if that was the template. I first saw it on the page 0.999... > and then on the main page. This was after I had noticed Wikipedia's loading > speed drop significantly. It was this template then, which is now protected: <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cite_arxiv&action=history> -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] en.wp HACKED?
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Chris Lee wrote: > Ha, to clarify, the entire background on any visited page was replaced with > swastikas and porn; along the top read "brought to you by meepsheep", who > I've since learned is a blocked user. Yeah, that does happen sometimes. The cause is usually "template vandalism", where a vandal adds some content to an unprotected template that's used in a few pages. This makes it difficult for new users to find out what happened and usually freaks people out. :-) If you run into this again, you should include a description of what happened and a link to the page you were on when you saw the issue when reporting it. If you wanted to try to fix it yourself, you could click "Related changes" in the sidebar under toolbox and then restrict that to just templates. That will show you a recent changes page just for templates included in that article. Hope this helps! -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Alec Conroy wrote: > I suspect the board will recruit, formally or informally, the top n > runners-up to help provide the usual "new blood"ish infusion that a > normal election result provides. The global community wants to keep > the keys in the current hands, but it did also point out others it > likes, and we should be sure to keep engaging them at the > movement-wide strategy level. Most of these people are already involved in the foundation and meta-level, which is why they ran for the board in the first place. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Andrew Garrett wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Casey Brown wrote: >> It would be a good idea for someone to make a list of things that need >> to be done/were done to make your job easier in the future. >> Pathoschild, do you remember what was done in the past? Could you >> start such a list? :-) > > http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/SecurePoll#Email_spam <3 You're awesome, Andrew. This is exactly what we needed. It looks like you covered everything mentioned in this thread too. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Andrew Garrett wrote: >> 1. I already voted. It may be a good idea to send this only to people >> who didn't. > > I don't think this is possible. I think Pathoschild did it in the past and he was able to remove people who voted already, who didn't meet requirements, who were bots, etc. It would be a good idea for someone to make a list of things that need to be done/were done to make your job easier in the future. Pathoschild, do you remember what was done in the past? Could you start such a list? :-) (Btw, thanks to Andrew for doing the e-mail!) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia at events
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:25 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > I started a (very bad) page at Meta-Wiki for future events: > <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_in_meatspace>. What's the difference between that page and <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Events>? We should clarify what the difference is, if any. Then again, maybe it's okay if the two overlap. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Huib Laurens wrote: > I'm wondering, is there a policy for OTRS agents saying that they can't > make > info send to OTRS public? > Yes, information sent to OTRS should be treated as non-public information that should not be shared under pretty much all circumstances. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] 1.3 billion of humans don't have Wikipedia in their native language (Milos Rancic)
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Neil Harris wrote: > As part of the WMF's mission, I wonder if it could be worth considering > providing a Web-based English (or other language) literacy course that > could start with very simple video lessons to give an elementary > vocabulary first, and then allow the user to slowly bootstrap their > language sophistication from there? I think Wikiversity would love a English literacy course, if they don't have one already. :-) Their general discussion page is here: <http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium> -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] 1.3 billion of humans don't have Wikipedia in their native...
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 12:42 PM, wrote: >> Aren't these languages written with Chinese characters and thus their >> speakers can read and write the Chinese Wikipedia? >> > > All the Latin languages: Italian, French, Spanish, English, and so on are > written with Latin characters: a, b, c, d, e and so on. And yet the French > cannot pick up a book in Spanish and read it. > > Just because a language is written with Chinese characters does not mean > that the words and meanings are spoken or comprehensible by any other language > user using those same characters for other words and meanings. Indeed, it doesn't mean that necessarily. However, your analogy doesn't apply in this situation and Nikola was right. Many of the Chinese languages share a common writing system and only differ in the way the language is spoken. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Referent list of wikis?
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > Just because of three letters code conflict between Swiss German and > Albanian (als), I've realized that somebody listed Swiss German to have > Wikinews edition (it is, actually, news portal at Wikipedia) and nobody > bothered to remove it. I'm pretty sure Swiss German merged all of its projects into Wikipedia, not just Wikinews. They requested the closure of the other domains (e.g. als.wiktionary.org, als.wikibooks.org) and merged them back into als.wikipedia.org because that worked better for their community. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: Re: Do WMF want enwp.org?]
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > Of course > unless someone finds a way to redirect en.wikipedia.org/Example to > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example . "Did you mean to type http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example? You will be automatically redirected there in five seconds." :-) It already redirects there, though we don't want to advertise that we have a "link shortener" because the 404 page redirects. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] User talk page email notification
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Orionist wrote: > What is the default position by the way? I checked my preferences on enwiki and the box was checked, so I would assume the default is for it to be checked. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: Re: Do WMF want enwp.org?]
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Huib Laurens wrote: > 2011/5/9 Casey Brown : >> I believe it's Rob Halsell. I forwarded Thomas's original e-mail to >> him yesterday to see if he could do anything to help; we'll see what >> he says. :-) > > But we are still going offtopic. I guess we should take the offer for > enwp.org how to go forward is later business right? Yes, by "Thomas's original e-mail" I was referring to enwp.org. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: Re: Do WMF want enwp.org?]
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 1:58 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: >> >> http://commons.org/ would be nice. have we tried approaching them? >> >> -- >> John Vandenberg > > Who, exactly, is in charge of domain registration at the WMF? > I believe it's Rob Halsell. I forwarded Thomas's original e-mail to him yesterday to see if he could do anything to help; we'll see what he says. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Risker wrote: > This is an area where every project is going to have its own take on things, > and we can probably learn from each other's experience; however, what > information there is seems to be housed on the strategy wiki, which many > users avoid because it's not part of the WMF matrix (i.e., SUL doesn't > apply). With that in mind, I wonder if there can be a place where projects > discuss what has helped and not helped, located somewhere on Meta. Since when does SUL not apply on strategywiki? -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Request for moderation of Dan Rosenthal and Andrew Garrett
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > Andrew Garrett wrote, Sun Apr 3 10:13:26 UTC 2011, "Your messages are > deliberately obnoxious, unpleasant, and off-topic to boot." it is > unclear what messages he is referring to, but these are not > acceptable terms to classify anybody's messages, unless it is > acceptable that others classify Andrew Garrett's or anybody else's > messages as "deliberately obnoxious, unpleasant, and off-topic to > boot." and therefore asks him or them to "Cut it out, please." "What > is good for the goose is good for the gander." Wow, Andrew was defending you. I'm sure this is going to be the last time he attempts to do such a thing though. > After engaging in a "friendly and polite exchange" with Dan > Rosenthal, he saw fit to send me an e-mail, Sun, 3 Apr 2011 05:26, [snip] And he has since stopped after nearly all of the other list members who responded disagreed with his comments, so there's no need to bring it up again and try to cause more problems. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] LiquidThreads redesign?
I asked Brandon Harris, one of the Foundation developers working on this, and here's what he said: -- Forwarded message -- From: Brandon Harris Date: Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 3:42 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: [Foundation-l] LiquidThreads redesign? To: Casey Brown I'm not on Foundation-l. LQT has been put on hold. It is now a "Frontier" project. On 4/1/11 12:29 PM, Casey Brown wrote: > > AFAIK, you're heading this up. > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: shi zhao > Date: Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 11:29 AM > Subject: [Foundation-l] LiquidThreads redesign? > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > > > see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads#Status > > "The original LiquidThreads code has been substantially improved and > augmented by Andrew Garrett at the Wikimedia Foundation since May 2009. In > January 2011, a new re-engineering > project<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads/WMF_project_information>was > begun at the Foundation, and it is anticipated that this will result > in > a pilot on a large project by the end of *Q1 2011*." > > Now have April 2011, done? > > Chinese wikipedia: http://zh.wikipedia.org/ > My blog: http://shizhao.org > twitter: https://twitter.com/shizhao > > [[zh:User:Shizhao]] > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] keeping localization in mind
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > Regarding the Translate extension, > what is the current status of this? Can the Translate extension > interface with MediaWiki messages directly or only via i18n files? Yes, it can be. See <http://userbase.kde.org/Translation_Workflow> for a working example. > Has there ever been a proposal to turn on the extension for Meta (other than > the Bugzilla bug)? Are there any blocking issues that would prevent this > from being feasible? Well, getting it reviewed is a big first step, then the translation community would have to evaluate the current process and the extension and see what would be the best thing to do. I'm of the opinion that both wikis and the translation extensions are *tools* -- we should use whichever tool works best for that specific request. Like Amir says, the translate extension does have places where it's awesome: repetitive surveys, fundraising messages, etc. However, there are definitely cases where wikis work better, such as whole pages or letters. We also shouldn't ignore the fact that we have even more tools that we can evaluate. A few French users recently worked on the survey translation in Etherpad. This interface allows them to all translate the same time, in real-time, with all of their edits in different colors, and with a built-in "chat" feature. All of the tools have their own pros and cons, and we'll have to evaluate those. We might end up choosing one tool for one request, a different tool for another request, etc. A major step is getting the extension reviewed first, though. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] please announce translations earlier
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > How much earlier should it be? I did Sue's letter mostly by myself and > it took me two full days. That's right: two full days. It was > announced two days in advance, so i spent an entire weekend doing it. > I'm a hopeless Internet geek, but i do like to take a walk in the park > every now and then. I definitely think that the letter was way too rushed, but that is not the norm. I can also understand the desire to try to be transparent and post notifications as soon as possible, so that's a different case. Keep in mind, though, that the banners weren't put up for the languages we were missing translations from until a few days later... so there was definitely more time than just "two days". > As for the Editors survey, there are several > people working on the Hebrew translation of that gargantuan page and > we still haven't finished. I understand that it's a lot, and I really appreciate how hard you guys have been working on it (I've been watching your progress). However, I'm not sure it's really fair to say that there wasn't enough time. The workspace was originally created on March 1, more than three weeks before the due date. It's true that the translation request wasn't officially opened until March 10, but that still left two full weeks to translate. It's also important to keep in mind that the majority of the translation requests are not needed immediately. Most of the pages, such as the ones on WikimediaFoundation.org can be done at your leisure. For the other requests, we *are* cognizant of the fact that people have lives and even if a translation might only take two hours to do, it might be hard for you to find two hours in a row to actually do it right away. We do try to give as much time as possible. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Editors survey and gender
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:37 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > Given the recent uproar at the discovery that the User namespace has been > mislabeled for female editors for years, I would think that appropriately > addressing people who have volunteered to take a (lengthy) survey would be a > high priority. It wasn't "mislabeled", why would you think that it was? The nouns in many languages have genders, and the default for that case is almost always male. It's not very fair, but females are used to it. :-) It certainly wasn't "mislabeled". -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Editors survey and gender
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > I guess that if it's really impossible, we'll think about something, > but i'm just curious: What are the technical reasons? Does LimeSurvey > have a limited list of languages? Isn't it open source? Can't anyone > just add another language to the list, saying "Hebrew-feminine"? It's possible, but it's not something that we're involved in. Their translation hub is here: <http://www.limesurvey.org/en/contribute/translations-status>. You may want to e-mail their community translations manager to see if they have any way to support that type of feature. It's important to remember, though, that we don't really have any easy way of getting their gender from the wiki they're on. Even if this were enabled in LimeSurvey, it might not be easy to actually use. :-( -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] wiki for interwiki (was: Foundation too passive)
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > ... So that's another opportunity to mention the request to enable it, > open since September 2008: > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 > > Are there still any technical barriers to enabling it? I believe both interwiki transclusion and the interlanguage extension are on Mark Hershberger's, the Bugmesiter, to-do list. He's the one who bothers the sysadmins to get things done. :-) I've CC'd him so he can hopefully chime in. Mark, I'm not sure if you're on this list. If not, the rest of the thread can be read here: <http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/51883> -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy policy and translations
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > I'm not seeing either a PDF or a link to one. Can you give me steps to find > it? I think she's referring to the link on here: <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Policies>. I thought I remembered seeing another similar pdf "updated version" uploaded, but can't seem to remember if I actually saw it or where it was. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Job openings - Bugmeister
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Jan Kucera (Kozuch) wrote: > what about this job opening? Has it been filled already? Mark Hershberger (MAH) is fulfilling the role of Bugmeister and he's already started cleaning up Bugzilla. Id link to the announcement, but I'm not sure where it was. I'm CCing him if you have any questions. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] About the catastrophy in Japan
2011/3/11 Juliana da Costa José : > Hi, I am working temporarly with Aphaia from Kanzai and did not hear > from her the last days. Naoko mentioned on another list that she was safe and that (I think) all of the other Japanese Wikimedians that they contacted were fine too. It's almost 08:00 JST, so I expect most of them to be coming online and giving updates soon. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] multilingual mailing list
2011/3/8 Victor Vasiliev : > Ты это серьёзно? Мне кажется, письме на двадцатом Google Translate > всем изрядно надоест. К тому же как быть с просторечиями и > фразеологизмами, на которых автоматические переводчики постоянно > спотыкаются? It's not perfect, but it's better than saying "Victor, speak English or stfu." :-) You use it to get a basic idea of what was said and then respond based on that. In the few times that we've tried it, it hasn't been that much of an issue. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] multilingual mailing list
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Austin Hair wrote: > (As an aside, does anyone know the appropriate Spanish verb for "to > moderate" in this context? I didn't actually ban her, I just couldn't > come up with a better word.) I'm pretty sure that it's "moderar". <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/moderar> That seems to be the translate that mailman uses too. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] multilingual mailing list
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 4:17 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Thomas Goldammer > wrote: >> Why don't we just write in our respective native language, all of us. >> XD Would make communication much funnier, I guess. :p > > I agree, that it would be funnier, but I doubt most folk on > foundation-l will agree. > > Do we have a multilingual mailing list? > > I think it would be a good idea to have a general discussion list > where anyone, especially newbies, can write in their preferred > language. > Someone in our community is sure to understand and be able to respond. This *is* a multilingual list. All languages are welcome here. The issue with Meria's messages have been that she's just been saying the same thing over and over again: "please write in Spanish". If she wanted to respond to something in Spanish, that would have been fine. What Thomas says may seem like a joke, but it's actually something that's happened on this list in the past. :-) I remember a thread where I was talking with someone in English while they responded in German. We used Google Translate to figure out what each other was saying and then we responded in our own language. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Steward election issues
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 11:21 AM, brock.wel...@gmail.com wrote: > A second solution could be the return of the verification edit... I vaguely > recall needing to provide a diff with an edit summary stating 'I am xx on > whatever wiki'. Storing a link to that from meta keeps all needed > information on meta. The sticking point with the steward im discussing > becoming compliant with is that my en link back to meta is on top of my > usertalk page and not my user page, which is rather silly. That is pretty silly, but if we're being fair, so is the fact that you still don't have a global account. ;-) That would really make everything so much easier! -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Steward election issues
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Victor Vasiliev wrote: > Can we keep the election open while using the SecurePoll? I'm not sure, but do we need to keep it open? IIRC, there was some opposition to using open voting during this last election. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Steward election issues
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 12:18 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: > Another solution, which might be easier to implement, is for a bot to > check every contributor to the voting pages for compliance, and notify > any contributor who doesn't have a cross-linked account. Or we could just use the SecurePoll extension that is used for board elections and enwiki ArbCom elections. The extension would bar people who did not meet the requirements from voting at all. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] 2006-2011: Mexican, Argentinian, Brazilian governments distance themselves from freedomdefined 1.0
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 11:07 PM, MARIA DE LOS ANGELES HERRERA GARCIA wrote: > me gustaria, que me escriban en español ya que el ingles lo entiendo muy > poco gracias... Lo siento pero ésta es una lista de discusión que usa inglés por lo general. Si querrías hablar en español, te invito a subscribirse a la lista de correo de Wikipedia en español: <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikies-l> ¡Espero que esto ayude! Casey -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF 2015 strategic plan and multilingualism
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > A UN-like model, with several major languages, into which important > Foundation releases *must* be translated, is a realistic solution that > will enable more people to read them. This, however, also poses the > danger of perpetuating current linguistic conflicts. For example, > translating the WMF blog into Chinese will allow a lot of people who > know Chinese, but not English, read it, but it will yet again put > Chinese above the regional languages of China; the same can be said > about Russian, Spanish, French, Indonesian and other major languages. > Nevertheless, done properly, it's better than staying English-only. This is a very interesting idea. (My last post was mostly directed at the original poster's comments about us rejecting multilingualism, not your proposal. Sorry if I didn't make that clear!) I don't know if we should necessarily say that they "*must* be translated" into those languages, since we are volunteer-driven, but this could be more of a coordinator-thing... like we need to make sure that we keep volunteers on-hand and supported who speak these languages. If we see a gap in a certain language, we'll try to replace that person ASAP. We might want to try to revive translation teams, and make sure that we always have a well-staffed translation team with members ready to translate into these big languages. Anyway, I would love to have people working to make an updated priority list that they think we should use. :-) The metrics that Mark suggests are a great idea. Number of speakers, number of monolingual (or native) speakers, and size of the editing community would be great things to consider. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF 2015 strategic plan and multilingualism
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 4:00 PM, M. Williamson wrote: > It is my hope that these decisions are data-driven - > http://www.ethnologue.com/ethno_docs/distribution.asp?by=size and the > size of Wikimedia communities speaking a language as well as the > (in)frequency of bilingualism in those communities are a good place to > start. Exactly. As far as I understand it, the language priority list *was* created based on these metrics. However, it hadn't been updated for years, and /that's/ why it was marked obsolete. That particular list was obsolete; no one was rejecting multilingualism or anything like that. It's actually the opposite: we didn't try to figure out how we should prioritize languages because we looked at them all as equal. All translation work is done by volunteers, and who were we to say "your language isn't as important, we'd rather you translate into X", especially if we hadn't really researched how to make those priority lists? If you translate something into Hopi, Kunama, Irish, or Pirahã, it'll get published just as quickly as if you translate something into French, Spanish, German, or Chinese. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] An agenda for the meeting of the language committee
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 06:55, Bishakha Datta wrote: >> One thought occurred to me: there is no representation of Asian languages in >> the committee (and I don't mean only Indian languages). Would the committee >> want to consider an expansion in membership to include someone who is fluent >> in one or more Asian languages? > > In principle yes, but... [1] > > Linguistic qualifications for becoming a LangCom member are not so > simple. After a couple of years in LangCom, I may say that many > professors of linguistics don't fit. And the main reason is not their > knowledge, but attitude toward languages. Or, to be more precise, > their boldness. For example, LangCom tasks require from one > Indo-Europeanist to give expertize on any Indo-European language, but > many of them would say that the classification of, let's say, Kurdish > languages is not the part of their job, but the part of the job of an > expert in Iranian languages. Such expert in LangCom is basically > useless. Doesn't the language committee also actively seek out experts in different languages when they need to? I seem to recall you guys having all test wikis checked by a linguist/expert who speaks the language before they are created. So it's not like people who speak Asian (or other similar) languages aren't being actively involved, it's just that none of them are in the "administrative committee" at this time. At least that's how I remember it being explained many threads ago. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] VPAT
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Pedro Sanchez wrote: > Hmm.. strikes me odd and worries me than Community Associate doesn't > seem to differentiate between software "Media-Wiki" (sic), and > Foundation/Community issues (Wikimedia). > > Opening post was about if Wikimedia (as organization) complies with > regulations I don't see what software has to do with it. There's no need to be mean. I would think that Christine just assumed that he was talking about our product was "MediaWiki", not the content projects. MediaWiki is a piece of software, so it's more likely to be thought of as a "product" than the projects are. That being said, I do agree with the fact that we should err on the side of responding *on-list* unless there's a very good reason not to. If someone asks a question on the list, it's best to respond on the list so that everyone can see the answer -- sharing wisdom and making sure everyone learns things is good. :-) Christine probably didn't think the whole list would be interested in it and decided to respond off-list, which is fine... but based on the responses that she received, I'm sure she'll be scared to do that again. =P -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: Re: Do WMF want enwp.org?]
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Béria Lima wrote: > I preffer wp.org (if is possible) to make internationalization easier. So to > en.wiki would be "en.wp.org", de.wiki "de.wp.org" and etc. That would be a good thing to have, yes. However, what already exists and, what is owned by Thomas, is enwp.org. :-) Thomas is just offering something that's already being used actively so that the Foundation can ensure it's up for a long time. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Ombudsman Commission
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > They will serve for a term of one year. When does their term begin? If it's now then we need to ask a steward to remove the old ones from the global group and add in the new ones, but if it's not until later then we can wait. We also need to switch out the mailing list subscribers and update [[m:Ombudsman commission]]. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Florence Devouard wrote: > I really fail to see how being an advisory board member could in any > sense create a conflict of interest. As the term very well describes it, > advisory board members are merely advisors not decision makers. > Just as *any* community member is also an advisor to the Wikimedia > Foundation staff. Thank you, Florence. Other people did have the same question: <http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/01/12/new-wikimedia-fellow/#comment-6230>, so it's definitely a valid question and I'm glad we got that clarified. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Central Notice is still not up?
2011/1/11 KIZU Naoko : > Casey published most of translated banners. Thank you very much, Casey > and all translators! No problem, and I thank the translators too! > I have no idea why I haven't seen it on any wiki though ... ;( I published them all, so they're loaded in the system, but the banners aren't live yet. They should go live soon after they're done being built. Since the translations are all loaded in the system, the only thing we're waiting on is the banners themselves. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Again: January 15 retro?
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Strainu wrote: > Doesn't replacing File:Wiki.png work on every wiki? > I don't think so, I think most of the logo paths are pointing to the v2 logo on Commons right now. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Again: January 15 retro?
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Lodewijk wrote:
> so... to conclude the discussion on this topic, which went rather sideways,
> there seems to be a broad support for the retro logo - also at least in the
> local nlwiki community. What would be the steps to take to make this happen?
You would have to make sure that there was strong community consensus
for the places you wanted to enable this. Then, to enable it, you
would either have to ask a sysadmin to set the wiki's logo path to the
old logo (create a bug and say when you need this done) or you would
have to add something like this to the wiki's Common.js:
#p-logo a {
background: url(path) 35% 50% no-repeat !important;
}
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Re: [Foundation-l] January 15 retro?
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Liam Wyatt wrote: >> Which one was it that was sung at the party in Alexandria? > > If memory serves it was "I will revise" to the tune of "I will survive". Yep: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/I_Will_Revise> -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] How to contact the foundation's legal department?
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Please stop it: this is incorrect and perhaps you should at least double > check if someone says it's incorrect, especially after a WMF staffer > like Jon has confirmed so. On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Huib Laurens wrote: > Why are you saying the staff answer is wrong? If staff says use > le...@wikimedia.org why are you changing it? Wow, you guys need to stop being so accusatory and rude; please stop assuming bad faith. No one's calling anyone a liar and they're both actually right, but in different ways. Dan's working with the Foundation for the fundraiser (so he's a "staffer" too), was an early legal intern, and has manned the legal queue on OTRS for years. Jon is a relatively new staffer with Office IT who's been helping cleanup e-mail addresses, aliases, and everything else related to Office IT. Stated simply, Jon was giving a *technical* answer, while Dan was giving a more *procedural* and policy-based answer. Here's the full story/background, as far as I know: Traditionally, we never really published a "legal" address. All complaints/issues were directed to the general Wikimedia contact address (i...@wikimedia), which leads to OTRS. These complaints were then later sorted to their proper destination: info-en, another language queue, out to a staff member, to the legal queue, etc. Tickets needing legal team attention, like from real lawyers talking about litigation, went to the legal queue. Since the legal queue/team is quite small and most people do not actually need to talk to them, we never publicized the direct address to the legal queue... this is the legal-en@ address that Dan's talking about. More recently, a "legal@" alias has been created which goes straight to the current/interim General Counsel. I would assume that the reason this was created was because the Foundation has started using aliases a lot more. They probably didn't realize that we intentionally didn't make that address since most people didn't actually *need* the GC... or they did realize that, but decided it wouldn't be an issue anymore and decided that an alias would be a good idea anyway. :-) As Dan says, they'll need to figure out internally how mail should be redirected properly and how to make the best use of both the legal team and the interim GC's times. However, I wanted to make it clear that neither of them is really "wrong" or calling each other a liar. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is....)
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Muhammad Yahia wrote: > Is there a way to know if my mail got posted or not? You usually get an automatic response from the mailman software if your message was rejected, automatically discarded, or moderated. If you didn't get one, it probably went through (or it could've been silently automatically discarded...). The best way to see if your message made it through to the list is to ask the list owner or someone on the list (e.g. Stu, stu at wikimedia dot org). -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] cross posted emails
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:08 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > cross-posted emails [..] > Subject: [Wikiquote-l] ... It changes for me with like every e-mail, Philippe's most recent e-mail got "Wikiversity-l" for me. :-) > I'm guessing this is controlled by the mailing list software. It's not; actually, it's controlled by your mail provider -- gmail. AFAIK, you actually get like 9 copies of the mail from the mailing list software (one from each list), and gmail just hides all of the duplicates from you. I think the one message that you do end up seeing is the one you received first, or maybe gmail just randomly picks one. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Please delete mo. wikipedia
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:02 AM, David Gerard wrote: > Possibly putting it at the bottom of the *long* list of other problems > in need of resolution (e.g. all the volunteer work that's backed up a > year or more, as Simetrical noted on wikitech-l) would be an idea. It already is, just like all of the other wiki renames. See this bug about moving mowp: <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23217>, and the tracking bug for wiki renames: <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19986>. Renaming wikis is tough and we've got a nice stack of them... so now we're just waiting on a sysadmin to sit down and do them all. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 5:26 AM, Mark Williamson wrote: > 2) Eurocentrism. [snip] > another is originally from Europe, The one "originally from Europe" still spent most of his life in the Middle East which we should be applauding as a departure from the "Eurocentrism" that you mention and not lumping it in with the others. > should not be tolerated within an organization such > as ours which pretends to have an international scope. Sofixit? Encourage people you know in our organization who are from other areas of the world to apply to the committee. Come to think of it, it would be a great idea for the Language committee to reach out to Wikimedian experts from Asia/India, Africa, and South America and get them included. Membership drive, maybe? :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] New mailing list: newprojects
It seems that no one actually announced the creation of the "newprojects" mailing list yet! The mailing list[1] is an announcement-only list for new Wikimedia wikis[2]. The way it works is that the addwiki.php[3] script that sysadmins use to create the wikis automatically sends a mail to the list, so (provided there are no bugs with the script) subscribers will get an e-mail when every Wikimedia wiki is created. This list should be especially useful for people who need to know when new wikis are created so that they can update their tools or scripts. Of course, people who are just interested in knowing about new wikis are welcomed to subscribe too. :-) [1]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/newprojects [2]http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix [3]http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Add_a_wiki -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Korean Wikinews created
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Huib Laurens wrote: > frr.wikipedia.org is also created yesterday, but didn't got a notification > on the new projects list? > Yeah, I noticed that too and was going to send Roan an e-mail about it but hadn't gotten around to it yet. Roan, could it be because the language code is three letters (frr) and not two like all of the other projects that have been created recently? Or can you think of any other reason that it wouldn't work? Was this project created differently at all? -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Mathias Schindler, 11/08/2010 23:39: >> a) is there anyone who wishes to participate but can't? >> b) how do we find him/her in time to remove any obstacle as far as >> humanly possible? > > A centralnotice to ar wikis and other wikis to selected IPs? (Does GeoIP > work?) Not at the moment, but Tomasz and Ryan at the Foundation are working on getting this working. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Moushira Elamrawy wrote: > (maybe the local team knows can provide a full and clear > list as well as confirmation on having a stamp on a separate paper > without restrictions?). They do have this page on Wikimania2011wiki already: <http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Passport_stamping> -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Why should Wikimedians meet?
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > But all of the above are nice dreams about the future. Is there any > proven experience from the past that demonstrates why personal > meetings between Wikimedians are not just fun for them, but actually > beneficial to the Wikimedia community, the Internet, the Humanity? Well, the board has real life meetings and, like David, most of the chapters do. :-) There's also been "WMCON" where a bunch of board members, developers, and chapter members had meetings in the same place at the same time, which seems to have been very beneficial, because they've had two-in-a-row. <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMCON> There was also a fundraising summit hosted by Wikimedia UK <http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/2010_Fundraising_Summit>, which Thomas could tell us more about. > Can > anyone here give me solid examples of successful projects that were > born thanks to past Wikimanias? > Something obvious is hacking days, which hopefully Brion could tell us more about. :-) Pages about previous hacking days: * <http://wikimania2005.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hacking_Days&oldid=7240> * <http://wikimania2006.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hacking_days> * <http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hacking_days> * <http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Days> -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Banner ads in sitenotice
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:43 PM, geni wrote: > advantage of not putting English ads on the Italian (substitute almost > every non english wikipedia of your choice) wikipedia. We actually have translations of the notice in 40 languages already and more are coming in as we speak. <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Work_at_Wikimedia> > The size is > also problematical. On my screen it takes up about twice the space of > the average image thumbnail something people who come to wikipedia > actualy want to see. Feel free to hit the "hide" button after you've read it and decided you no longer want to see it or click anymore. > Incidentally: > > "In one or two sentences, describe the process in which users are > approved to become administrators on English Wikipedia. " > > Is this some kind of test to see if people know how to use semi colons? > This actually made me laugh. :-) On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 29 July 2010 22:43, geni wrote: > If the advert was only on the English Wikipedia, they couldn't achieve > that. Anyone working for the Foundation needs to be able to speak > English, for practical reasons, so it makes sense not to waste time > translating the notice. Indeed. That's why the application form is only in English -- it doesn't make sense to waste translators' time translating the application form if you need to be proficient in English to work at the Foundation. However, the notice can be translated into whatever language anyone wants, because it's not really nice to have a big notice at the top of your wiki in a different language... it's rude and sticks out like a sore thumb. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Push translation
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Mark Williamson wrote: > Aphaia, Shiju Alex and I are referring to Google Translator Toolkit, > not Google Translate. If the person using the Toolkit uses it as it > was _meant_ to be used, the results should be as good as a human > translation because they've been reviewed and corrected by a human. But if the program were being used by a human who speaks the language, wouldn't it be *pull* translation and not *push* translation? -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Push translation
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Mark Williamson wrote: > Wikipedias are not for _cultures_, they are for languages. If I and I'm surprised to hear that coming from someone who I thought to be a student of languages. I think you might want to read an article from today's Wall Street Journal, about how language influences culture (and, one would extrapolate, Wikipedia articles). <http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467304575383131592767868.html> > 1,000 other Americans suddenly learnt French (to the point of > native-level fluency) and decided to read and edit the French > Wikipedia, it would "belong" to us just as much as to anybody else. > This came up recently in the debate about the Acehnese Wikipedia. Some > people said that all Acehnese were Muslim (not true - there is a small > community of Acehnese Christians). They said that if anyone is > Christian, they'd be ejected from Acehnese society and therefore no > longer Acehnese. However, they'd not stop speaking the Acehnese > language. > > Nobody claims the English WP is for US/Commonwealth cultures only... > this is reasonable when a Wiki is tiny, but as it grows large it's > important that NPOV mean "neutral point of view for EVERYBODY", not > just "a point of view that everybody in OUR country can agree upon", > etc. > No one suggested that it was about "a point of view that everyone in OUR country can agree upon". No one's suggesting that anyone "owns" a wiki or that you're not welcome to contribute. It's just that different wikis/languages are different and have different articles. Some focus on different topics based on what they usually do, some try to tackle the subject scholarly, some probably don't focus on blame (see the article's commentary on Japanese/Spanish views of accidental events), etc. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Push translation
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Pavlo Shevelo wrote: >> These days Google and other translate tools are good enough to use as >> the starting basis for an translated article > > No, it's far not true - at least for such target language as Ukrainian etc. > > So any attempt of "push" translation will be almost the disaster... > ...and we need to remember that most articles are *not* translations of the English article, but are home-grown on the wiki and use their own sources in their own language. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiktionary-l] Adopting OmegaWiki as Wikimedia project
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > (Just poking foundation-l, please continue with discussion at > wiktionary-l, or, better, at Meta [1]) > Can you make sure that you leave a note on most Wiktionaries notifying them of this discussion too? -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 3:35 PM, wrote: > Prodego wrote: >> As another update to this situation, all admins on acewiki have now been >> desysoped, and the template removed. >> > > Well done that will certainly show the natives who wears the boots. > Prodego forgot to mention that that was after an edit war and the blocking of a few stewards and global sysops. *That's* why they were desysoped, not because they had a view conflicting with ours. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] small Wikipedia projects - follow-up to Jimmy Wales' talk
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > Hello, > > I'm writing this as the follow-up to Jimmy Wales' Wikimania keynote > about small Wikipedias, or, as some people correctly say, Wikipedias > in underprivileged languages. (It's strange to use the word "small" > anywhere near Bengali, for example.) > > Is there some recorded body of knowledge about the existing attempts > to engage small language communities? The only thing that i know is > the parts with Ndesanjo Macha in "The Truth According To Wikipedia". > They are very inspiring, but very small. Something that's standing out in my mind, but might not be exactly what you're looking for, is Ziko's "Tell us about your Wikipedia" project, where Ziko and others tried to get different Wikipedias to share details about themselves and some tough things that they experienced. <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tell_us_about_your_Wikipedia> That was a first step to a lot of the stuff you're talking about. > Were there any people that, for example, worked with schools that > function in underprivileged languages and tried to teach students > there to write Wikipedia articles in their language? If there were, > can i read, hear or watch their experiences anywhere? Different chapters and other groups have held "Wikipedia Academies" and outreach events like that, which try to teach people how to contribute to Wikipedia (and why they should). I'm pretty sure Wikimedia Argentina has also spent some time trying to promote Wikipedia in the native languages of Argentina. Patricio, maybe you can say more about that? The stuff you're asking about seems like it falls under Frank's job description (he's "Head of Public Outreach" for the Wikimedia Foundation), so maybe he can help provide some other examples and general tips for people doing this type of think. (CC'd) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Mike.lifeguard wrote: > On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, oliver keyes wrote: >> Sue is the Executive Director of the fastest growing non-profit >> foundation in the United States, a foundation which has just The characterization of the Wikimedia Foundation as the "fastest growing non-profit" was from something done by Charity Navigator, IIRC, and was mentioned in Sue's report at Wikimania. >> announced a doubling of its staff, trial direct expansion to two more >> nations and the gradual relocation of server resources. You think she >> has the time for a monthly report? The doubling of staff and other announcements can be found in the Annual Plan. <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/2010-2011_Annual_Plan_Questions_and_Answers> I don't think the "general relocation" is accurate -- aren't we just planning to setup more datacenters? I'm pretty sure the "direct expansion" bit is also mentioned in the Annual Plan as "boots-on-the-ground"/"BOTG" initiatives in India and Brazil. > Is there a press release for any of this? Alternatively, do we have a > timeline for when her talk will be available for viewing? It was streamed while the conference was going on, but if you missed that, the presentations should be imported to Commons by either Rob or Roan within the next few weeks. (It's a ton of content. Last I heard, they were mailing Rob a DVD with all the content and he'd be importing it when he got it.) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Anyone? Looks like it applies only to employees. > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Whistleblower_Policy > "entity with whom Wikimedia Foundation Inc has a business relationship" > includes chapters? > I'm sure she was mentioning it in spirit -- basically "you can see we're interested in whistleblowers and have this protection/policy already in place for our employees; anyone else should feel free to report any issues they think exist as well". -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:12 PM, oliver keyes wrote: > You think she has the time for a monthly report? > I do, actually, because she does send them out. :-) Things have gotten busy and they've gotten a little behind, but sending out reports is definitely something she considers a priority and often does. <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Reports_to_the_Board> Anyway, I'm not sure you understood the meaning behind that e-mail quote. Gerard was just pointing out something, he wasn't criticizing anyone for not reporting. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Country portals
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 6:39 AM, AGK wrote: > Oh, I didn't know they existed. Not a bad idea at all! Are they all > hosted externally or by the WMF? I think they're all hosted externally (usually by chapters), but the point of the page is to find out things like that and write them down. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Country portals
I created a page about country portals a while ago (things like wikipedia.de), with the intention of asking people to take a look at it, make sure everything was right, and expand it... but I never got around to it and here I am now. ;-) The page is here: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Country_portals> and I'd appreciate it if you made sure that your local portal is on there. If you know anything about portals, please add to the page. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Serbia billboard campaign
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > A couple of months ago, we was approached by an artist group which > idea is to raise cultural awareness by putting at billboards stylized > photos of (not so) famous [1] cultural and scientific persons from the > history of Serbia. They wanted to incorporate their art project into > Wikimedia Serbia projects and we've found that it is a great idea. The > project's site is likilink.org [2][3][4]. > Just want to say that this is very cool and awesome. :-) The simplistic site is also very cool. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Floating a notion: permanent Wikimania committee?
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: > The role of the committee would be to provide coaching > and guidance for the local planning team (“here is how we've done it > in past years, here's what usually works, here are some problems you > should watch out for”) … and also to provide oversight to the local > team, and help them course-correct if they're having problems. > Essentially, the committee would be responsible for helping to ensure, > in partnership with the local team, that every Wikimania is a success. We actually have tried to do a lot of this informally for a while, but the informality has caused it to sorta fall apart recently. :-) Some things we've done are: * try to make sure that most planning discussion happens on wikimania-planning-l so that past and present organizers can communicate effectively * have work occur on the official public (wikimania20XX.wikimedia.org) and private (wikimaniateam.wikimedia.org) wikis so everyone can help and see what's been done in the past * get some help docs/pages together, here's two on the private planning wiki: http://wikimaniateam.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_Ideal_Team / http://wikimaniateam.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_Ideal_Timeline A formal committee and a real, detailed set of tips (or "Wikimania Book" as Sj called it) would definitely be an improvement, but it's important to stress that other people would definitely still be welcome to provide feedback on different topics. > I'm interested in everyone's views on this, and I'd be particularly > interested in hearing from the people who've been involved in past > Wikimanias, and also from the Haifa people, to hear if this'd be > useful for them for 2011. I know that the Haifa team is definitely interested in this. Last I heard, they were actively reaching out to previous organizers so that they could meet them in Gdansk and get feedback/tips. (They've also been setting up planning information on the existing wikimaniateamwiki.) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Creating articles in small wikipedias based on user requirement
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Casey Brown wrote: > Actually, I think Jussi-Ville's comment was very useful > For the record, I was talking about the point behind Jussi-Ville's post and not about his colorful characterization of "top-posters," which was really not helpful at all. However, you guys are right that we shouldn't derail a thread to talk about this and his post was probably better sent offlist. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Creating articles in small wikipedias based on user requirement
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Chad wrote: > On behalf of everyone else on the list, please allow me > to thank you for bringing up this useless argument for > the Nth time on this list. Bravo, truly. > Actually, I think Jussi-Ville's comment was very useful -- I frequently have no idea exactly what Gerard is replying to and it would be useful if he at least snipped everything but what he was responding to. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Commons-l] Fwd: Are Wikimedia websites a proper venue for an artistic contest ?
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:51 AM, geni wrote: > see: > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Valued_images Oops, *this* is what I meant when I was talking about Quality Images. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Are Wikimedia websites a proper venue for an artistic contest ?
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Nathan wrote: > In answer to my own question, the picture contests revolve around > featured images - and the featured image requirements include an > assessment of value that is based upon several criteria related to the > core Commons mission. > There are also other things, like "quality images" <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:QI>, which look more at how valuable the image subject is, rather than how good the picture itself is. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Subscription to the Wikimedia Announcements list for foundation-l
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:23 AM, James Alexander wrote: > I'm not sure if it is in the mailing list settings or if it's > gmail but I do not get a copy of an email I sent out and if I remember > correctly there was a mailing list option for that... I don't always > remember correctly though :). > There *is* a mailing list setting (something like "receive my own posts"), but some e-mail servers (like gmail) won't let you see your own messages even with that set. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Updating strings for FlaggedRevs for the Flagged Protection/Pending Revisions/Double Check launch
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > I have revised the graphic based on input from Andrew Gray and others. > > http://myrandomnode.dyndns.org:8080/~gmaxwell/flagged_protection3.png That version's a lot better and clearer, for the record, I can actually follow it now. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Wikimania 2010: Call for Participation Extended
Due to numerous requests we have extended the submission deadline for Wikimania 2010 as follows: * Abstract Registration: May 24, 11.59 p.m. (Pacific Time) * Notification for workshops: May 29, 11.59 p.m. (Pacific Time) * Notification for panels, tutorials, presentations: June 3, 11.59 p.m. (Pacific Time) See the Call for Participation for more details: http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/CFP Thank you for helping make Wikimania 2010 a successful event. :-) See you in Gdansk, July 9-11! With best regards, Wikimania Team -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > Is there a page on Meta for discussing the new logo? Among other > things, we need somewhere to discuss progress on localizing the new > logo into different languages. Perhaps the old Logo page could be > updated with the latest status and links to discussions on other wikis > as they develop: > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia/Logo > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia/2.0>, which is linked from all the documentation information about the new logo. However, I don't think we should be localizing anymore until we figure out if the logo is going to be updated to include the suggested changes (which I think it will be). -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikimania locations
*cough* there *is* a Wikimania-l, you know... (please keep it CCed at the very least) That being said, your idea is very interesting. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > Wikimania 2011 has come, yet again another location in the middle-east. > > It seems to me that every major populated geographic region has a > multitude of sites which could create viable wikimania candidacies— > and this has certainly been supported by the past applications. > > A leading application takes an enormous amount of work, expenditure of > political energy, etc. on the part of the proposing team— work that > could perhaps be applied to advancing the Wikimedia mission in other > ways for candidacies which are ultimately fruitless. > > I believe that if you were to take the best candidate from each region > and compare among them you'd find them all to be excellent options and > ultimately end up choosing based little details and preferences, often > ones mostly outside of the control of the applicants. > > Accordingly I believe it would be better if we pre-announced a > preferred geography for the candidacies each year. > > Effort could then be conserved for producing really excellent > proposals in those years when a candidacy is most likely to be > successful. This could also be expected to result in better > applications. > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Statement on appropriate educational content
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Andrew Garrett wrote: > The *ONLY* rating and classification system that I can support is a > descriptive one. That is, it describes the nature of the content, and > allows humans or computers to filter it accordingly. The > infrastructure would be technically simple. > I definitely agree that this would be the best solution. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] What the board is responsible of (was Re: Jimbo's Sexual Image Deletions)
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Mark Ryan wrote: > I have to agree with you, Anthere. It's starting to look like over > time the role of the board has evolved from broad guidance and > administration to some sort of twisted version of enwp's Arbitration > Committee. When the board was first created, it wasn't particularly > political and its members were simply those who were most well-known > and respected from across the Wikimedia communities. Now, at least > some of the board members appear to be of the opinion that they have > become the ultimate arbiters of what should be included in Wikimedia > projects. They are not, and this will eventually become patently clear > to them when their seats are due for re-election. > Just throwing in a link to a page Anthere wrote summarizing the "role of a board member", which might be useful here: <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Board_member> -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Statement on appropriate educational content
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Has it occurred to you that we could simply _age-rate_ articles, rather > than delete them? An article on a pornographic novel could be 18-rated, > just like the novel itself. Same with porn star bios, which aren't likely > to be of interest to 9-year-olds. > > I would really like people to understand that when entering Wikipedia with > an "adult" setting, you would never know any difference to how it is now. But > if you're entering with a 12-year-old setting, you would not see the > article on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogg_(novel) for example. > > What is so bad about that idea? Is it "censorship" to show adult-rated > material to adults, but not to 12-year-olds? > > Framing this in terms of "gutting" or "censoring" Wikimedia projects > completely misses the point. > We could just work within our existing category scheme and add another tab to Special:Preferences that specifies what images you want to see... e.g. if you want to hide sex-related images, you check a box and wouldn't say images in the "Sex, Penis, Vagina, etc." categories. If you're a Muslim, you can check a box so you don't see images in Category:Muhammad. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Threading
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Adam Cuerden wrote: > If someone will tell me how to get messages to thread if you're in > digest mode - I've been making honest efforts to try and get threading > - I will happily use whatever technique is suggested. Until then, I > apologise for killing threads. > Well, first of all, it's best to *not* use digest. You use gmail, so all of the e-mails would be threaded together automatically if you turned digest off. If you won't turn off digest mode, you should probably copy the "Subject" for the message you're replying to and put that as the subject for the new e-mail you create. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Time to reset the 'founder' flag-- Jimbo is no longer a viable king.
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David Moran wrote: > I'm not sure I see what the distinction would be. You want him to write > policy by fiat, but not to actually click the save button himself? *If* people still wanted him to hold some kind of "godking" position, then he could make decisions on tough issues and ask others to do, but those others would be able to review and confirm things for themselves before taking sudden, unilateral actions. You also wouldn't have to worry about Jimmy desyopping you if blocked him for wheel-warring, for instance. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Statement on appropriate educational content
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Kim Bruning wrote: >> We already do what we can to help Muslims censor themselves. >> >> See [[Talk:Muhammad]], faq 4. > > Dang. > > All this censorship makes me feel a lot dirtier than the "smut" it is > censoring. > Huh? You're against giving people the choice to self-censor things that they don't want to see? =/ -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Time to reset the 'founder' flag-- Jimbo is no longer a viable king.
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Alec Conroy wrote: > I propose: > > 1. Jimbo does not have the confidence of the community. > 2. The "founder" status needs to be removed to reflect that. > I think that's a little harsh to say that he doesn't have the confidence of the community. I think a *better* reason to remove the founder status would be so that he's not carrying out actions himself (it's all about checks-and-balances). He can participate in discussions and make a decision as "godking", but then why does he need to carry the decision out himself? With the position of "godking", he can just ask a local user or steward to carry out the decision instead of doing it himself with a founder flag. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Wikimania-l] 2011 delay
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 1:22 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > someone asked me about wikimania 2011 and I realized I only sent this > to wikimania-l -- sorry. > a.k.a. Sign up for Wikimania-l, foundation-lers! :P -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Hello world. Update from Berlin.
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:44 PM, K. Peachey wrote:
> The miss {world/america} thing when the contestant made the comment
> about the maps a few years ago?
>
Haha, looks like we have an Amazing Race watcher here. :P
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caitlin_Upton#Infamous_response> ;-)
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Re: [Foundation-l] Update on outreach projects
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Mike.lifeguard wrote: >> Aradhana Ravindra will support the Bookshelf project as a contractor > > Glad to see that the bookshelf project is getting additional staffing - > however didn't some staff leave the project as well? > Yep, Marlita left. <http://wikimediafoundation.org/?diff=next&oldid=45549> I think she's now working as a "Technical Project Manager" at UC Berkeley. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] list o' image donations?
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 4:04 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > Is there an list somewhere of major image donations/collections that > have been uploaded to Commons in the last few years? E.g., the > Bundesarchiv donation, Antweb, etc. It looks there's a list, but it's not updated. <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Commons_partnerships> (That's the category, also see the first page in it.) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] �lliam Pietri: Where is Flagge dRevisions?
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Aphaia wrote: > Not a sarcasm, but I would like to point out SUL, single user login > took years to implement to the project wikis, and we even called once > it "Godot". FlaggedRevs implementation also - it took years to > realize. Months are relatively shorter, and I hope you guys could wait > for in a less pain. > Yes, but no one was contracted for work on SUL. People are being paid to work on *just* FlaggedRevs, it's not something that the tech team has to fit into their time to develop. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Werner Icking Music Archive may be closing
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 7:42 AM, church.of.emacs.ml wrote: > convert it into a new Wiki project (which – without doubt – would be a huge > amount of work). > If we did that, couldn't we just use Commons/Wikisource? I think Wikisource already has quite a bit of music there. <http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Category:Sheet_music> -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
