Re: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?

[Donaldo Papero]

We'd be nice as well to have it back asap. And we are prompt to do so. But,
please, take into account that the article you linked is actually totally
not accurate, not to say that is just wrong: at the moment the law is
unapproved,
the controversial piece of the law is absolutely unchanged. What we have
achieved is that there is a general orientation to discuss some improvements
(which will met our point), and today will be the critical day for the related
discussions in the Italian Parliament. The it.wiki community is currently
oriented to wait until this afternoon, to see if the promised improvements
are real or if are only political tactics: there is an OPEN discussion about
this point 
here.
Few more hour of patience to see if we have achieved real results and we'll
be back.

Pap3rinik


> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:27:14 +0300
> From: Jimmy Wales 
> Subject: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian
>Wikipedia back on now?
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
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> http://www.linkiesta.it/wikipedia-law
>
> It'd be nice to have Italian Wikipedia back up as people are waking up
> in Italy.
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 91, Issue 8

[Donaldo Papero]

Hi Nathan,

my name is Giovanni (Donaldo stands for Donald [Duck], and is related to my
nickname ;))

You are right in understanding that this lock is a way to raise a discussion
about a proposed law, which has been developed without any consideration
about the consequences on Wikipedia (or disregarding it: we already tryed,
in the past, to stess such consequences). In no way our reaction wants to be
"political" nor "lobbying" as our only concern is about encyclopedia
content: there is no way to make it compliant an unchangeable text (the
required amendment) and a wiki, an amendment that can be required also if a
statement is true and referenced, with Wikipedia citations policies.

Regards
Giovanni AKA Pap3rinik


> Hi Giovanni (or Donaldo?),
>
> Has anyone at it.wp been in touch with Foundation staff? Locking a
> major wiki seems like a pretty big step, perhaps they could provide
> some advice or resources? Am I correct in understanding this lock as a
> protest of the proposed law, since it hasn't been discussed or voted
> upon in parliament yet? Such a political protest seems like an
> unprecedented step for a Wikimedia project.
>
> Nathan
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Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

[Donaldo Papero]

Hello,

Here are the facts: the Italian parliament will discuss within few days –
and most likely approve – a law which, among the other things, will
introduce the duty, for every web site (included, and not limited to,
Wikipedia) to publish amendments to previously published information.

According to the proposal (
http://www.senato.it/service/PDF/PDFServer/BGT/00484629.pdf), the required
amendment cannot be modified, nor commented, and must be placed in article’s
body, in the same format and with the same visibility of the allegedly
defaming text.
Moreover: the amendment must be published upon every request, without taking
into account whether the information is true or not and whether references
are available for it or not.

Also, please, be aware of the fact that (as for the recent Google and
Microsoft cases) the principle that the proposed law is going to introduce
will be applicable to “all” sites, not only Italian’s: if somebody from
Italy will post any information on, say, en.wikip, the rule will make it
mandatory for en.wikip to post an amendment, if required. Which, at least,
will mean incoming legal issues or inquiries to be managed by WMF, with
related expenses. In short words: this rule, if approved, will be a complete
mess for Wikipedia.

Because of such a risk (it’s easily understandable that this rule will make
encyclopedia articles as pure “frames” for unchangeable text imposed by
others), the Italian community has decided, by a vast majority (see
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Comma_29_e_Wikipedia)
 to lock both read and write access to encyclopedia articles and to publish
the following text as full screen sitenotice:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Vituzzu/comunicato (an English
translation is available here:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Vituzzu/comunicato/en). This decision
will be implemented as soon as possible, during the next 12 hours.

Giovanni AKA Pap3rinik (sysop at it.wikip)


> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:16:41 +0530
> From: Theo10011 
> Subject: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
>
>  Hi
>
> There seems to be a situation developing at Italian Wikipedia related to a
> local law that would infringe neutrality on Wikipedia. The discussions even
> mention a possible blackout/lockdown in reaction.
>
> Is anyone aware of this situation? Is it likely to have any effect on other
> projects and outside communities? Is WMF aware since it is mentioned in the
> discussion as well.
>
> The announcement that was linked to on IRC:
> https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Vituzzu/comunicato/en
>
> A discussion which might be relevant:
> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Comma_29_e_Wikipedia
>
>
> Theo
>
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