Re: [Foundation-l] WikiRoll
Wow, this is really useful. In this moment for the Spanish Wikipedia Ronaldo and Hipotiroidismo are 5th and 6th respectivelly; Ronaldo has just announced his retirement from football because of health problems related to hypothyroidism. 404 error on top of the English Wikipedia? Cheers, Mariano.- --- El mar 15-feb-11, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com escribió: De: Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] WikiRoll Para: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: martes, 15 de febrero de 2011, 11:15 This is really interesting. Do tyou think is it possible to have similar stats also for sister projects (eg. quote, source, commons, etc.) ? Aubrey 2011/2/15 Przykuta przyk...@o2.pl I hope, that this stats-page written by Maciej Smoleński will be helpful: http://www.wikiroll.com/ check it and enjoy przykuta ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] January 15 retro?
Awesome! I mean of course the lyrics... :oP --- El mié 12-ene-11, Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com escribió: De: Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] January 15 retro? Para: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: miércoles, 12 de enero de 2011, 5:42 On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: Please tell that exist a video of wikipedians singing this song!! XD Yep http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDT4s6yLwvg :D This was hilarious. Delphine -- @notafish NB. This gmail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails will get lost. Intercultural musings: Ceci n'est pas une endive - http://blog.notanendive.org Photos with simple eyes: notaphoto - http://photo.notafish.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] 2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content
--- El jue 9-dic-10, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com escribió: De: Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] 2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content Para: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: jueves, 9 de diciembre de 2010, 22:46 --- On Mon, 6/12/10, Mariano Cecowski marianocecow...@yahoo.com.ar wrote: Date: Monday, 6 December, 2010, 19:40 I'm sorry we are putting more energy into what should be banned from commons instead of searching for mechanisms to protect those readers who would prefer to stay away from such content. I mean, I understand the problem with paedophilia, and why it needs to be kept outside wikimedia projects, but I think it is equally important to provide with the means to present the content to users in their desired level of exposure; tagging, collapsing and hiding graphic content would do the trick, and it is technologically straightforward. Cheers, MarianoC Such a system was indeed among the recommendations put forward by the 2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content, paralleling similar systems in place at major sites such as Google, youtube and flickr. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2010_Wikimedia_Study_of_Controversial_Content:_Part_Two#User-Controlled_Viewing_Options As for the Commons sexual content policy poll: there are currently 144 editors in support, and 138 opposing adoption of the policy. The community is almost exactly split down the middle. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Sexual_content#Second_poll_for_promotion_to_policy_.28December_2010.29 Andreas Problem is, Controlled Viewing is an option to deletionism, but is not being seen as it. The current poll is to set a criteria for the exclusion of material from commons, whereas content hiding is [generally speaking] against it. Why do we have to decide what we delete before we decide what we hide (acording to user preferences) ? MarianoC.- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] 2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content
I'm sorry we are putting more energy into what should be banned from commons instead of searching for mechanisms to protect those readers who would prefer to stay away from such content. I mean, I understand the problem with paedophilia, and why it needs to be kept outside wikimedia projects, but I think it is equally important to provide with the means to present the content to users in their desired level of exposure; tagging, collapsing and hiding graphic content would do the trick, and it is technologically straightforward. Cheers, MarianoC --- El lun 6-dic-10, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com escribió: De: phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] 2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content Para: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: lunes, 6 de diciembre de 2010, 17:09 On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:02 AM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I thought I'd note for those interested in the latest from the community side of the 'controversial content' discussions - the Commons 'Sexual Content' proposal has just gone into a polling stage for the second time; http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Sexual_content#Second_poll_for_promotion_to_policy_.28December_2010.29 thanks for sending this out, and I am glad to see the discussion/vote ongoing and hope to see lots of participation in it. I hope Phoebe doesn't mind me copying her in on this email, but I'd also like to follow up an enquiry about the working group she mentioned last month - it's here; http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Phoebe#G.27day_Phoebe And thanks for the prod... we've been slow to put together the working group that I mentioned in my last message, but it is still happening. In the meantime comments on the recommendations are certainly welcome. More soon, I hope! best, Phoebe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Innovative Chrome extension
For those who miss Jimmy while surfing other sites. https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/idkjdjficifbfjjkdkiimioljbloddpl ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Please delete mo. wikipedia
--- El lun 4-oct-10, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com escribió: Is there any opposition to naming such a temporary project ro-cyrl? In your proposal, the converter would eventually be available (as a user pref) on ro.wp? The problem with the converter is that it only works for visualization. As it was pointed out before (I don't remember by whom), readers will have the option to visualize the content in Cyrillic, but editors are forced to use one single alphabet in an article. This might not be a problem in the Serbian Wikipedia, but I think it might be in this case when Romanian in Cyrillic is considered insulting by an important part of the editors. Would it be possible to change the source for editing and then back to be stored? I can think of a couple of problems to solve, including image and template names, or language links, but all of them should be solvable, and that should keep everyone happy, right? Cheers, MarianoC.- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter?
Gerard; if New York got to be a Chapter (or a SubChapter for what it matters) then Kosovo can definitely be one as well. The question of whether it would end up being an independent chapter, or a SubChapter of Serbia, or potentially Albania if it ever exists, is secondary to the WMF approval for the use of the Wikimedia brand. As I see it, the question is not whether they should apply or not because they might not be approved;the question is, if the consent is to approve it, what is the scope under which they would exist. And they can present their application without knowing that outcome. Cheers, MarianoC.- --- El mié 29-sep-10, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com escribió: De: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter? Para: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: miércoles, 29 de septiembre de 2010, 9:19 Hoi, Lodewijk you are missing the point. The question is, should they bother, do they have a chance. When they provide all this information and then are denied for political reasons, it is best to say so up front. The notion that there is only success as an outcome is not relevant. The question raised is will there be room for a Kosovar chapter. The answer is binary and from that it starts to make sense to answer any and all other questions that are less binary. Thanks, GerardM On 29 September 2010 19:09, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: That would only be the case if we would have sufficient information to actually make a decision and this would be the actual body making such decision in the first place. Some very important indicators are still missing. We dont know who the group is, what they want to do, what they need, how many they are, whether wikimedians are involved in the first place, what their goals would be, not even to speak about their proposed bylaws. You suggest that only being a chapter is a potential success outcome. Of course that is not the case. Thinking about who you are, where you are, where you want to go, what you want to do and what you need to get there is never wasted, especially since there are many ways that lead to Rome. Even if the conclusion would be that they want to form a chapter, and that would be rejected (highly hypothetical) that effort would be well spent because you could use it to persue your goals in another way. Being a chapter is a tool, not a goal. Please note that the only indication that they want to form a chapter is not a notice from themselves, is not a request, but only a hypothetical question from someone who visited a conference. Really, if you want to make a real consideration whether it would be a good idea, you need much more information than you have right now, and the regular process through chapcom is probably much more effective to evaluate such information than through this mailing list. Best, Lodewijk 2010/9/29 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com On 28 September 2010 23:55, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: guys, please! Lets not try to solve hypothetical problems here until we know what the problem will be! Let the folks see if they can get people together in the first place, what they want to do, and what in their opinion would be the best way to organize that. THEN we can see if a chapter has to be approved or not. I disagree. The work involved in getting together a group interested in forming and chapter and starting to make plans for how to go about creating one is significantly greater than the work invovled in hashing out the potential issues on foundation-l, so the latter should be done first. There is no point them wasting their time getting together a group of interested people if we're not going to accept them as a chapter. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Farsi wikipedia has reached 100 K article
Congratulations! So did the Slovene Wikipedia just one week ago. We're right behind you! Though we have half the edits. :| Cheers, MarianoC.- --- El mié 25-ago-10, Mardetanha mardetanha.w...@gmail.com escribió: De: Mardetanha mardetanha.w...@gmail.com Asunto: [Foundation-l] Farsi wikipedia has reached 100 K article Para: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: miércoles, 25 de agosto de 2010, 4:31 Farsi wikipedia has reached 100 K articles . Mardetanha ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011
--- El jue 12-ago-10, Osama Khalid osa...@gnu.org escribió: Poland, Germany, Egypt, United States, Argentina and even Taiwan were easy for the vast majority of the Wikimedia community I beg to disagree; getting into United states is anything but easy. And is not that Israel won't give visas to potential attendees; in this case is the home nation of the interested ones that sets obstacles. Additionally, the current political situation between given countries should not affect the realization of this apolitical, non-religious global conference that seeks worldwide collaboration. If anything, it should be taken as an integrating experience, such as it was for so many Wikimedians to be in Egypt, Taiwan, the Americas or Europe, getting to know people from around the globe. Cheers, MarianoC.- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011
Osama, I'm afraid your view is very self-centric. We Southamericans have a really hard time getting into USA; and I'm sure many couldn't go to that Wikimania because of visa problems. As many couldn't go to Thailand because because of economic reasons. And some didn't go to Egypt because of religious issues. There is always something that will prevent some people to assist to a Wikimania; that's why we rotate the host! I can't believe people complaining about getting the visa in their passports that will later prevent them to visit an Arab country; 20 bucks and an hour standing in line and you have a new one!! (unless you live in Cuba, or Northern Korea). Please, let's concentrate on making life easier for those with problems who *do* want to assist to Wikimania 2011; the rest is just wining, and trying to take political advantage of the current situation. MarianoC.- --- El jue 12-ago-10, Osama Khalid osa...@gnu.org escribió: De: Osama Khalid osa...@gnu.org Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011 Para: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: jueves, 12 de agosto de 2010, 8:17 On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 03:59:38AM -0700, Mariano Cecowski wrote: I beg to disagree; getting into United states is anything but easy. Maybe it depends, but I assume it won't be much harder for a European, Asian or African to get one than a Saudi. Why are we discussing this anyway? And is not that Israel won't give visas to potential attendees; in this case is the home nation of the interested ones that sets obstacles. That's not the issue I'm trying to address here. I'm saying it's difficult. Maybe Israel wants Arabs to be there (this is out of topic, but I'd assume that they surely don't like the fact that they're being disrespected for their actions). But what's important here is, again, that many, many people won't be able to come. Additionally, the current political situation between given countries should not affect the realization of this apolitical, non-religious global conference that seeks worldwide collaboration. It's not about what Wikimania is what it is not. -- Osama Khalid English-to-Arabic translator and programmer. http://osamak.wordpress.com | http://tinyogg.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing new Signpost issues on this list
A RSS/Atom feed would be great. Thanks, MarianoC.- PS: I know, the page's history's RSS would do, but you'd get every single change to the page instead of the weekly update. --- El mar 3-ago-10, Wikipedia Signpost wikipediasignp...@gmail.com escribió: De: Wikipedia Signpost wikipediasignp...@gmail.com Asunto: [Foundation-l] Announcing new Signpost issues on this list Para: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: martes, 3 de agosto de 2010, 20:56 Hi all, some of you might know the Signpost, a community-written and community-edited newspaper, based on the English Wikipedia and covering stories, events and reports related to Wikipedia, its sister projects and the Wikimedia Foundation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/About The first issue came out on January 10, 2005 and it has been appearing (more or less) weekly ever since then, with a new issue due every Monday. While coverage of events on the English Wikipedia forms an important part of the Signpost, our News and notes, In the news and Technology Report sections regularly contain many news items that are relevant for other Wikipedias, or all Foundation projects. In June (around the time when Sage Ross left as editor-in-chief to take up his current job at the WMF, and I stepped into the breach), we had a lot of discussions about new ideas for the Signpost, including proposals to provide translations of our Foundation-wide coverage, or even moving it to Meta. While this still seemed a bit ambitious, there was consensus to emphasize our interwiki coverage more, and it was subsequently renamed from Wikipedia Signpost to Signpost. [Commercial break: If you are an experienced member of a WMF project/community and would like to contribute to one of our Sister project stories, covering its history, characteristics and recent major events, contact us at this email address or at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:POST/TIPS .] And at Wikimania last month, I talked to a lot of Wikimedians who are not primarily active on the English Wikipedia, but nevertheless know, read and appreciate the Signpost. On the other hand, there is currently no other independent publication (at least not in English) which regularly covers or summarizes WMF-related news. Wikizine was very informative and even had several translated editions, but has been inactive since the beginning of this year. Wikipedia Weekly was a well-informed podcast disussing much Foundation news, but there hasn't been a new episode since October 2009. Veterans might recall the Wikimedia Quarto, which had some excellent content and was widely translated, but stopped after three issues in 2004/2005. Of course there are other things which are useful for staying up to date, like the blog planets or Phoebe's earlier list summaries for this list, but they don't replace journalism-style news reporting. Following a suggestion by Phoebe, I am going to try out sending announcements of new Signpost issues to this list, containing brief headline summaries and links (see accompanying posting for the current issue). We hope that this will provide valuable and on-topic information for people interested in the kind of topics that are being discussed here, and perhaps it could also help to get more people involved in providing reader-oriented coverage of news from WMF projects to the whole Wikimedia community. Regards, HaeB -- Wikipedia Signpost Staff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Serbia billboard campaign
--- El dom 27-jun-10, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com escribió: De: Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Serbia billboard campaign Para: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: domingo, 27 de junio de 2010, 18:39 On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Now we have Jimmy's and Stallman's billboards all over Belgrade. I'll send photos ASAP. For now, there are their images at http://likilik.org/ http://likilink.org/ Džimi Vejls; makes me laugh every time. :) Do the billboards on the street have anything written? BTW; Isidora looks great! Cheers, MarianoC.- PS: Kako da Mari ni u cirilici? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again
--- El mié 23-jun-10, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net escribió: I always think than not using reCaptcha is a shame, as it's a nice way to get people to proofread text in a reasonably efficient way. It would be really nice if someone could create something similar that proofreads OCR'd text from Wikisource... hint, hint. And how do you decide that what was entered is wrong or right? Better take a look at Project Gutemberg's Distributed Proofreaders[1]. Cheers, MarianoC.- [1] http://pgdp.net ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia trade mark misuse
If the Czech Wikimedia things the newspaper is abusing of the 'wiki' concept to sell something that is not, and really wishes to do something about it, I recommend to contact consumer protection and present the case to them; it's a free services in all the countries I know. You can claim that the newspaper is using a confusing concept to attract visitors seeking for collaborative information where there is none. I don't think you can do anything else, and certainly not along the 'wiki' trademark/copyright path. Good luck, MarianoC.- --- El jue 17-jun-10, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com escribió: De: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia trade mark misuse Para: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: jueves, 17 de junio de 2010, 8:39 On 17 June 2010 11:37, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 17:25, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote many things. My sidenote is that if you believe in what you say then you imply Wikipedia, Wikimedia and everything we have with 'wiki' string in it, and every method we use which described as 'wiki-way of web publishing' violates Ward's intellectual rights since it was him who first used the word, who conjured up the method and made it known. We're not talking about patents; we're talking about trademarks. Who conjured up the method is completely irrelevant, as I have already explained. This complete lack of understanding of trademark law is precisely why people shouldn't be trying to guess whether something is a violation or not. I have not once claimed that it is a violation. I have said that it might be one. That is the most I can say with my level of understanding of the relevant law and it is clear I have far more understanding of the relevant law than anyone else in this discussion. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Encouraging participation
--- El sáb 19-jun-10, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com escribió: Any idea how to improve their motivation? Considering how similar we Argentines are to the Serbs I would suggest to take a far less scientific approach: Motivate them to write about their home towns, football teams, favourite players, pop-singer, etc. Once they have climbed the learning curve of not only the interface but the entire social context behind editing Wikipedia, it's a lot easier to focus them into a WikiProject to improve the content of a specific scientific topic. Tako sam i ja počeo! Good luck, Mariano.- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2
--- El dom 6-jun-10, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net escribió: I always think I don't have the page in my watchlist!!! Now, that's a reason to complain (Lynch the usability team!) I trust that at least the last part of this was meant as a joke, but I think it's worth a comment anyway. Michael, that was really off-topic, unnecessary, and a complete waste of bytes. When you write something sarcastically, the social connotations have zero relevance. I was ridiculing the excess of violence in the thread, that leads to nothing constructive. But then, perhaps the level of aggressiveness has reached a point where obvious sarcasm is taken literally? MarianoC.- PS: And to be fair; taking the lynching thing as a sensitive issue in USA is badly US centric; the term is used worldwide and in hundreds of languages, and has no necessary connection with black people. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2
I can't believe that with all the complains no one has yet brought up the fact that the 'watch' has been replaced by a star that turns blue instead of yellow. I always think I don't have the page in my watchlist!!! Now, that's a reason to complain (Lynch the usability team!) MarianoC.- --- El dom 6-jun-10, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com escribió: De: Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2 Para: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: domingo, 6 de junio de 2010, 17:40 On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: The original intent of the UX team, as I understand it, was to help readers find essential (frequently clicked) elements in the navigation more easily by collapsing less essential ones. This is wrong approach of reworking sidebar. To do it correctly, you have to prioritize existing things. Add icons to most important items and move them to the top (random article is far more popular than current events). Move toolbox to the bottom and, ensuring youself before that most users don't use it, hide it for anonymous users only. Move most probably used interwikis to the top (I'd volunteer for coding this if I was sure I had enough spare time this summer). Add language codes, they are much easier to understand and to look for in a long list than a language name in language itself. Add more icons, so things are distinguishable. Oh, and no wonder that IW links are used less in Vector than in Monobook. Monobook sidebar has clear division between blocks. Vector has some loosy line between them. Also, in Vector sidebar elements are on the grey background, so most people don't notice them. Honestly, the set of blue links on the grey background is one of the worst thing you may introduce to improve the usability of the sidebar. --vvv ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Vandalize wikipedia day on facebook
--- El mar 4-may-10, Kul Takanao Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org escribió: I agree, I've actually met at least 3 people out in the world who admitted to starting off vandalizing the Wikipedia and then ended up editing it legitimately... That's very interesting to know. Do you have any idea what made them convert from being vandals to positive contributors? Knowing more about this, and possible identifying commonalities in these cases could help us figure out what it might take to get more people to be good contributors. and to identify and learn how to deal with the different kind of vandals... MarianoC.- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Status report on logo copyright issues at Swedish Wikipedia
Thank you, David; this clarifies a lot. I just wish you had managed to send this some 50 messages ago. :| MarianoC.- --- El mié 31-mar-10, David Castor e-p...@pastorcastor.se escribió: De: David Castor e-p...@pastorcastor.se Asunto: [Foundation-l] Status report on logo copyright issues at Swedish Wikipedia Para: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: miércoles, 31 de marzo de 2010, 13:40 My name is David Castor and I am known on Swedish Wikipedia (and less known but somewhat active on Commons and a few foreign language Wikipedias) by the user name dcastor. I am one of the users who have been pushing for a change in the way we handle the copyrighted WMF logos. I would like to clarify and announce a few things on the way the dilemma is presently being handled. First off, we have not yet made any final decisions; the topic is still open for discussion at the Swedish village pump. No changes have yet been widely implemented. As a background it is important to know that there is an almost unchallenged consensus on Swedish Wikipedia not to allow fair use imagery, in part because the fair use concept is not applicable in Swedish law, Sweden being of course home soil for a majority of the users. It's been years since we blocked local media upload, now depending solely on Commons. This means, as far as I am aware, that the WMF logos are the only pictures used on Swedish Wikipedia that are not being spread under a free license, free in this case concerning copyright of course, and not trademark or personality rights (making comparisons to proper names irrelevant to the discussion). The use of these logos are thus the only thing standing in the way of stating that all material from Swedish Wikipedia can be freely reused, without any further permission. (The license template on the WMF logos reserve all rights and call for specific permission for use.) The argument is not, and has never been, whether or not we are allowed to use the logos. Some users on Swedish Wikipedia as well as in this thread have given replies suggesting that they think that is what the issue is about. It is not. The issue is whether it is compliable with the principles of Wikipedia to include copyrighted material, which may not be re-used by others. I suppose that this dilemma is less problematic in jurisdictions that implement a fair use system, but where such are not present a copyrighted picture may not be freely redistributed. The current discussion on Swedish Wikipedia is divided into three main branches: 1. Should we keep even the Wikipedia logo in the top left corner? 2. Should we keep the WMF logos of navigation templates placed in articles? 3. Should we illustrate articles on the Wikimedia projects with the logos? The discussions have, as far as I can tell, led to a near consensus yes for question 1, with the rationale that the picture is part of the GUI rather than of the article, and a near consensus no for number 3. Most of a lengthy debate has been over discussion number 2. The opinions on how to relate to number two diverge greatly. Some of us, including myself, would prefer to have all WMF logos removed from article space, including template use, making it free to redistribute printouts and PDF:s from Wikipedia articles. Some argue that since WMF will not pursuit any copyright breaches, we don't need to bother. This viewpoint is supported by those who think that the usability of the logos is too important to let the copyright issues take effect. A few have, in support of status quo, stated that there may be more to it, legally, than we know, but such claims have yet to be supported. For some users a main perspective is that of NPOV. They argue that since no other external links are supported by pictures, neither should the links to sister projects be. Also, since no other copyrighted logo are allowed, neither should WMF:s logos be. To some of these users, the use of the logos in well framed templates is agreeable, since this implies that the links are part of the GUI rather than of the article itself. Right now it seems like one of two suggestions will be the result of the discussions. Either (1.) to allow the WMF logos in a few specific navigation templates. These may be javascript-controlled to exclude the logos from printouts and PDF:s. This has been tested and seems to work. The second (2.) solution discussed is to implement a separate section for sister project links, including logos, in the GUI menu section on the left. I hope that I, despite having made rather clear stands on the issue, have managed to convey a fair description of the discussion. /David Castor ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:
