Re: [Foundation-l] (sin asunto)
Weird last administrative action to do but yeah...I blocked him/her. Cheers, Michael 2001/12/31 cecilca ceci...@infomed.sld.cu: Juan cesar martinez --- Red Telematica de Salud - Cuba CNICM - Infomed ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Goodbye
Dear all, I would like to use this opportunity to say Goodbye to all of you, because my involvement with Wikimedia is now coming to an end. I could make this a long email, taking about my time here and giving my opinion and advice about the state and future of the Wikimedia movement, but I'd like to keep this fairly short and simple -- many of you have already received epic emails from me, you don't need another one ;-) Suffice to say, that the slightly more than 5 years that I have now been involved as non-anonymous participant in Wikipedia and Wikimedia have been very interesting to say the least - certainly a personal benefit for me, albeit one with ups and downs. In this comparably short time span, I saw the foundation mature from a rather abstract concept to a working and professionally staffed NGO with a broad networks of chapters all around the globe and I have learnt a lot in this process. I have thought long about whether I should remain involved with Wikimedia (I originally only resigned from Wikimedia CH because I am no longer in Switzerland since April and do not foresee being there other than for vacation in the next couple of years), but I decided in the end that I prefer a clear cut from everything, rather than just somewhat reducing my activity, and this year being for me personally the start of a new era anyways (new university, new country of residence etc.), it seems quite fitting to move on and start new pastimes, spend my time on new things. The little formalities: My tenure with Wikimedia CH ends on Wednesday, May 27th - my ChapCom and list admin positions end at the end of May and in general, I am fine with having all my access privileges (accounts on non-public wikis, list subscriptions etc.) removed or closed per the end of May. I wish you all the best -- from now on, I will again rely on what I read about Wikimedia's fate in the media, albeit taking it with a pinch of salt... Goodbye! Yours truly, Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Take a look at the latest rep watches
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:39 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: (We largely solved this on wikien-l by requiring membership to post at all. This is less than ideal for absolute openness, but we floated the idea on the list to no objection and it's made maintenance *way* easier.) Well, same here. Except that there are some legacy filters left, mostly from (former and current) Wikimedia Foundation staff and Foundation/Chapters board members, who wanted to be able to post to the list both from their subscribed account (usually Gmail or Yahoo or whatever...) and their @wikimedia address... I suppose this should be sorted out. Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Congratulations to Gdansk!
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote: Tomasz, To be able bring what captivates me on a daily basis back to the city I was born and grew up in makes happy as can be. Heeheee, :-) And I hereby declare my Green Wikimania, I'll carpool to get there! ...bycicle, Domas, bycicle... -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Congratulations to Gdansk!
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote: Tomasz, To be able bring what captivates me on a daily basis back to the city I was born and grew up in makes happy as can be. Heeheee, :-) And I hereby declare my Green Wikimania, I'll carpool to get there! ...bycicle, Domas, bycicle... Ahem, the by was a bit too strong in my mind... I actually wanted to put by muscular energy first, but decided to clarify. michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Long-term archiving of Wikimedia content
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: Suppose that it does happen *today*. All electronic systems collapse but the ones at your home. Also, you cannot produce new ones. You have a copy of wikipedia on your hard disk. You can access it. But your computer lifetime is finite. And you also don't know for how much time you'll still have electric current. What do you do? Sell my computer for food, water, guns, and ammunition? Actually, if the world is at this stage, you will want to heed Einstein's advice and get some sticks and stones, rather...(or maybe a bow and sword, if you prefer the sophisticated version) Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Take a look at the latest rep watches
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you let this spam through? No one approved it (see headers, there is no Approved-on line). But I found a legacy entry in the Always accept posts from these non-members filter for anth...@wikimedia.org... Well, I removed that line now, as Anthere is not using a @wikimedia.org address anymore. Best, Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Take a look at the latest rep watches
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Al Tally majorly.w...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you let this spam through? Someone let it through? No. -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Take a look at the latest rep watches
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Apologies if I sounded harsh in my original e-mail (I just re-read it now). No worries, I didn't consider it harsh. I received the e-mail from you Michael, not from the OP, so I assumed it was forwarded from a non-member. Um...you did? That's weird. I just received it as a completely normal list mail myself, I certainly didn't forward it to the list or anything like that. I'll defer to people with more technical knowledge now, why on earth you would have received that email from me instead of from the list. Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Take a look at the latest rep watches
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: I mean from you to the list, but I only received the copy with your reply, not the original. Hmm, no clue. Check your spam folder. That's where it automatically went for me. -Aude Thanks for clearing this up, I didn't think of that I'm slightly appalled that Gmail spam-filtered it for you but did not filter it out for me...but then, I wouldn't have seen it and be able to take measures otherwise. Anyways, before now all Gmail users (an estimated 85% of the actively posting list subscribers) outline whether it went into THEIR spam folder or not, we should maybe allow this thread a gracious death...now that everything appears resolved! Cheers, Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board statement regarding biographies of living people
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Gregory Kohs thekoh...@gmail.com wrote: The purpose of my question was to examine the carbon impact on our global environment by holding this meeting in Berlin, which (by my estimation) is quite a ways off from the point of least cumulative distance that could have been achieved for at least the mandatory attendees. All of that additional jet fuel and hotel consumption (laundered sheets, poor recycling standards, etc.) is something to consider if the polar ice melts and floods San Francisco one day, thanks to CO2-accelerated warming. A shorter-haul Boeing 737 flight burns about 200 pounds of fuel per passenger. I can only imagine that a trans-continental flight, plus a trans-Atlantic leg to Berlin, is likely burning at least 400 pounds of fuel per passenger. Return trip makes that 800 pounds of fuel. I hope each of the San Francisco-based attendees feel comfortable that their burning of 800 pounds of jet fuel (about 114 gallons) in order to attend the conference in Berlin (a conference that, as far as I can tell, had zero dial-in conferencing options offered) was justified? I get the impression that there is a corporate culture afoot at the Wikimedia Foundation that stifles any attempts to optimize meetings and conferences in ways that might be more economical and environmentally friendly, with innovations such as Skype and video-teleconferencing. My sense is that interesting and exotic places are chosen instead... San Francisco, the Netherlands, Berlin, Taipei, Alexandria (Egypt, not Virginia), Buenos Aires, etc. I suspect it's part of the corporate culture to get the backwater taste of St. Petersburg (Florida, not Russia) out of everyone's mouth, to select all of these far-flung, non-English-speaking locales for a Board that consists mostly of North Americans who speak English, and who are funded mostly by U.S. dollars. You are missing one essential point here: This meeting was designed as to allow joint meetings between the chapters, the board and the WMF staff, something you cannot simply imitate by using videoconferencing. Everyone from a corporate environment will be able to tell you that physical meetings are still more productive than the best videoconferencing or dial-in conference there is. Furthermore, I do not assume that any of the chapters has expensive video-conferencing technology (does the WMF have?). If you take the distribution of chapters into account, then Berlin suddenly becomes much more reasonable, both in terms of length of travel (and thus CO2 emissions) as well as cost for the individual participants, who mostly will not have funds available compared to the WMF, so it is not that surprising either that the WMF probably had higher travel expenses than this than most of the (non-Asian) chapters. Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board statement regarding biographies of living people
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Alex mrzmanw...@gmail.com wrote: Anthony wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.comwrote: Actually, I'd be happy if you were right (and you probably are!) - it shows, that lots of people had the motivation to come to this excursion. But yet you can't classify it as leisure? It may not be for the board members, but I imagine for the volunteer developers and other community members who had few or no real commitments it was. I'm not sure why you regard the commitments a chapter board member has towards his/her chapter as less real or less serious than the commitments a WMF board member or staff employee has towards the WMF. Really, this was not a wiki-meetup... Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] phishing with wikipedia?
On 3/13/09, Pedro Sanchez pdsanc...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Mohamed Magdy mohamed@gmail.com wrote: Assuming their good faith, they will change the domain name (and the logo) into something else if someone approached them. I don't see a problem here except that they should clarify that they aren't affiliated with the WMF (nothing that binds them to send WMF any earnings etc). ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Yes, but that someone must come from the foundation, so I asked if someone should handle it (as I don't know who does this kind of things) Mike, whom I cc here. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Heads up: Usability test recruiting underway
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Naoko Komura nkom...@wikimedia.org wrote: Having said that , we only can allocate the research budget in conducting the usability test for English Wikipedia. Purely out of interest: Was this a restriction of the Stanton grant or was it a decision by the WMF (usability team)? Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Heads up: Usability test recruiting underway
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Naoko Komura nkom...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, Michael. The restriction is from the Stanton grant. - Naoko Speaking of which: Has the WMF considered publishing the document (contract? terms?) which details the exact cover, purpose, conditions and obligations of the Stanton grant? I don't know whether the Stanton Foundation wants to keep this document confidential, but then, I don't really see what could be confidential about the terms of grant now that all the negotiations have finished. I think it would be a nice example of transparency to publish (ie. upload on meta or somewhere) this and similar documents, as long as this does not threaten the obtaining of future grants. Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Request for your input: biographies of living people
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Geoffrey Plourde geo.p...@yahoo.com wrote: I care not about my application being killed. I am pointing out that it appears that you kill most of the applications, which may be the reason for a lack of manpower. Access to OTRS implies a high trust into the user from the part of the foundation. The main backlog is currently with permissions emails, where less stringent access standards (should) apply, because the information there is mostly not very sensitive. The second largest backlog is in the Quality subqueue of info-en, and this is the issue here...because access to info-en::Quality is a fairly high level access in the general OTRS system (I'm making this sound much more bureaucratic than it actually is) -- obviously, because there you'll find the high priority cases with a possibly high PR impact, so we need to make sure that we trust people who handle them. I've seen people attach copies of their ID or copies of their Criminal Records File in emails to that queue...so I hope you understand that I support being quite strict in giving access there. Have you considered using IRC for interviews as part of the application package? That would require a high amount of time for the OTRS admins. Mind you, it's not the foundation's HR department that does this but individual volunteers. Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Request for your input: biographies of living people
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Geoffrey Plourde geo.p...@yahoo.com wrote: Not necessarily. You do them in bulk at a certain time each week or every two weeks. And of course all applicants will be available at the same time, because they all live in the same timezones and have the same work/life schedule. And I thought coordinating a meeting with a few students in Zurich was difficult -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Request for your input: biographies of living people
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Ah, so not only do you not ask for feedback, but you actively discourage it. I think this is slightly misrepresenting what I said. For reference purposes here the current footer, as attached to each outgoing message: --- Disclaimer: all mail to this address is answered by volunteers, and responses are not to be considered an official statement of the Wikimedia Foundation. For official correspondence, please contact the Wikimedia Foundation by certified mail at the address listed on http://www.wikimediafoundation.org From past experience, I can clearly state that this has seldom discouraged anyone from following-up... It is just intended to show that sending I disagree with your opinion that allegation xyz in the article about me is properly sourced and therefore I'll sue you soon in every response won't get you anywhere -- once the informal resolution through the Support Team failed, there is no alternative to formally contacting the WMF: Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Cabal?
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Chris Down neuro.wikipe...@googlemail.com wrote: Yes, this sounds like complete and utter nonsense to me too Aye. But thanks for making my day. Seriously, sometimes I wonder whether people have just too much time to think up these stories (and this is not directed towards you but towards the guy who invented all this). Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Academic article review (was:Re: Cabal?)
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:52 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/3/2 Chris Down neuro.wikipe...@googlemail.com: Ipatrol has just came on IRC claiming that he has been told that the WMF is hiring people to validate articles, and that the foundation is doing it in secret by using thousands of IPs and academics. He claims that the WMF has contracted colleges all across the US have been recruiting academics to validate articles, and states that admins are involved in this 'cabal', or whatever. o_0 If we were doing such a thing: 1. we wouldn't be paying anyone 2. we'd be shouting it from the rooftops. Nice idea, actually. Anyone feel they could put together a serious programme to recruit academics to such a cause? (changed subject as this is an interesting discussion) I was thinking about this as well recently and yes, Thomas, I agree, this is something that could coordinated or at least supported by chapters, many of which have good connections to local universities. Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia
Okay, that's enough everyone! The question How do we get rid of you? is utterly rude and impolite. If you want to ask How can we get rid of the language committee?, then formulate it in that way. (By the way: the answer is By persuading the board of trustees to dissolve the committee, so you would probably rather want to ask Should we abolish the language committee?) But I won't allow further personal attacks. Michael On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: I second Geni's question... how do we get rid of you? skype: node.ue 2009/2/26 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, grin with your attitude it is not strange why we do not have people who are in a position of power frequenting the Foundation list /grin sad.. it kinda kills effective conversation Thanks, GerardM 2009/2/26 geni geni...@gmail.com 2009/2/26 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, So you will shoot the messenger? Read back in this track and you will read that when simple is proven to be actually useful.. I will actually consider this, I will even promote the idea. Now, that takes convincing and there is a need for good arguments. I am not the enemy, I am the one that actually talks and engages in the discussion, grin I can be convinced /grin You are doing a poor job at that. Thanks, GerardM You are in a position of power thus I repeat how do we get rid of you? -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Re-licensing
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/2/1 Mike Godwin mgod...@wikimedia.org: Anthony writes: Actually, the difference is quite relevant in a courtroom, especially when dealing with constitutional issues. That's why I find it nearly impossible to believe that Mike doesn't understand this. How in the world can you defend people's constitutional rights if you think they're made up out of nowhere? Why defend free speech if it's just a couple words some guys made up and wrote down on paper? The very nature of the legal system in the United States of America is based upon natural rights. We hold these truths to be self-evident. Self-evident. Not created by congressmen. It is a common mistake... [snip] I'm confused... why have you sent a reply (twice) to an off-topic thread that died out over a week ago? Or did these get stuck in the moderation system somehow? (In which case - Mods: if you don't keep up to date with moderation, just delete emails that are no longer relevant [and let the author know], it rarely serves much purpose posting them a week late.) As I explained to Mike already: It must have been a technical problem -- his mails are not and were never moderated. Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Fwd: General Assembly and guided tour / Mitgliederversammlung und Führung (Swiss National Libr ary)
Begin forwarded message: From: Michael Bimmler michael.bimm...@wikimedia.ch Date: 30 January 2009 16:38:29 GMT+01:00 To: memb...@wikimedia.ch, wikimediac...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia CH Members] General Assembly and guided tour / Mitgliederversammlung und Führung (Swiss National Library) Dear members, dear friends of Wikimedia CH liebe Mitglieder, liebe Freunde von Wikimedia CH It is with great pleasure that I invite you to the General Assembly 2009 of Wikimedia CH, to be held on the 28th of March, in Berne. Please find the details attached as a PDF. Ich lade Sie herzlich zur Generalversammlung 2009 von Wikimedia CH ein, welche am 28. März in Bern stattfinden wird. Die detaillierte M itteilung finden Sie als angehängte PDF-Datei. Une version française de cette invitation sera fournie dès que possi ble. Best regards, freundliche Grüsse, Michael Bimmler -- Michael Bimmler President Wikimedia CH Association for the Advancement of Free Knowledge Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens 8008 Zürich Switzerland +41 44 912 20 18 (home) +41 79 864 88 18 (mobile) michael.bimm...@wikimedia.ch http://www.wikimedia.ch ___ Members mailing list memb...@wikimedia.ch http://lists.wikimedia.ch/listinfo/members ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] General Assembly and guided tour / Mitgliederversammlung und Führung (Swiss Nation al Library)
The silently stripped PDF is at (English version) http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediach-l/attachments/20090130/8dc29ea1/attachment-0002.PDF Sorry about that! M. On 1/30/09, Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Michael Bimmler michael.bimm...@wikimedia.ch Date: 30 January 2009 16:38:29 GMT+01:00 To: memb...@wikimedia.ch, wikimediac...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia CH Members] General Assembly and guided tour / Mitgliederversammlung und Führung (Swiss National Library) Dear members, dear friends of Wikimedia CH liebe Mitglieder, liebe Freunde von Wikimedia CH It is with great pleasure that I invite you to the General Assembly 2009 of Wikimedia CH, to be held on the 28th of March, in Berne. Please find the details attached as a PDF. Ich lade Sie herzlich zur Generalversammlung 2009 von Wikimedia CH ein, welche am 28. März in Bern stattfinden wird. Die detaillierte M itteilung finden Sie als angehängte PDF-Datei. Une version française de cette invitation sera fournie dès que possi ble. Best regards, freundliche Grüsse, Michael Bimmler -- Michael Bimmler President Wikimedia CH Association for the Advancement of Free Knowledge Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens 8008 Zürich Switzerland +41 44 912 20 18 (home) +41 79 864 88 18 (mobile) michael.bimm...@wikimedia.ch http://www.wikimedia.ch ___ Members mailing list memb...@wikimedia.ch http://lists.wikimedia.ch/listinfo/members -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Commons and The Year of the Picture
*and the dreaded advertising as long as the money goes to chapter/WMF You somewhat lost me here... While I do not hope that there will ever be advertising on a Wikimedia wiki -- where else could money possibly go than either the chapter or the WMF? M. -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Commons and The Year of the Picture
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com wrote: *and the dreaded advertising as long as the money goes to chapter/WMF You somewhat lost me here... While I do not hope that there will ever be advertising on a Wikimedia wiki -- where else could money For money, read revenue from ads displayed on a Wikimedia wiki -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Re-licensing
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Andrew Whitworth wknight8...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Mike Godwin mgod...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm sorry, Thomas, but until people learn to use jurisprudential concepts such as moral rights properly, I have a moral obligation to point out where they are used mistakenly. You have a moral obligation? I thought you dismissed morality as a religious belief for which there is no evidence in the physical world. Or is it merely the concept that we ought to give credit to authors that you deem to be religious in nature? This discussion has descended far below the threshold of usefulness now. If there's nothing else to talk about besides thinly-veiled ad hominems and I know more philosophy then you mental masturbation, could this discussion please go off-list? Hear, hear. I'm glad that I can respond to Andrew's post here, because if I had been replying to either Thomas, Anthony or Mike the following would have seemed to be directed at someone specifically, which it is not: Please Stop It. This thread used to be on the Re-licensing issue, which is an issue many people are interested it. Thus, you can't even bring up the usual Well, it's off-topic, but everyone can filter it out of their inbox by a subject-filter counter-argument, because many people actually *do* care about the Re-licensing and do not intend at all to filter it out of their inbox. What has happened, though, is that the thread has first been hijacked by a discussion about moral rights and other legal and philosophical concepts (which I myself found at least interesting, if completely off-topic) and now, it has gone down to a rather pathetic I have studied philosophy, you have no clue. I don't need to have studied philosophy to have a clue. I have studied Mathematics and you are a bad philosopher type of chat, which is an absolute no-go. Really, take it offlist. I hope I don't need to enforce this plea because I'm not actually in the mood to do so. Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikia leasing office space to WMF
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Gregory Kohs thekoh...@gmail.com wrote: I'll also advise the list moderators that this message is being copied to members of the press. Thanks for the heads-up, now I'm frightened... Seriously, I have nothing against you raising these questions, but sentences like the above won't help your cause and will just allow other people to dismiss your arguments more quickly. M. -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikia leasing office space to WMF
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Anders Wegge Keller we...@wegge.dk wrote: George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Anders Wegge Keller we...@wegge.dk wrote: Not to me, and it just happened to be the one that tripped my trigger setting. I respectfully request that you review it and reconsider. Request denied. I stand by what I said, and you can be polite from here to eternity, but I consider Delerium a kook in his own right, nonwithstanding a seemingly thin veneer of civility in this case. .okay, and at this point I think that this thread becomes a certain waste of bits, no offense to anyone in particular ;-) May I recommend a few breathes of fresh air for everyone or, alternatively, a strong cup of tea? Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions (chapters)
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: Was this some sort of unilateral proclamation by Ting, or has the chapters committee officially made some sort of decision on this topic? A principal decision on sub-national chapters has been made by the *board* (the Framework... document), after *input* from ChapCom. M. -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] How to dismantle a language committee
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote: Ray Saintonge hett schreven: That's an outrageous assumption. Canadians who attend an international sporting event between Americans and any other country will most often cheer for the other country. Since 1959 Canada has never broken diplomatic relations with Cuba, and has not participated in the US adventures against Vietnam and Iraq. Ec Rivalry in sports is a good example of what I spoke of: animosities between neighbors. There can even be outspoken rivalries between neighboring villages or towns, although both places share every single value or custom or mentality. The mindset is identical and still they can be engaged in contention. But if their basic values or customs are threatened by a third party, they will forget their little animosities I must say, I find this a bit of a difficult claim to make just out of the air. What is your supporting evidence for US and Canada having the same mindset and the same mentality, other than the mindset which both states also share with Germany, France, Britain, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden etc.? Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Agenda for January board meeting
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Comet styles cometsty...@gmail.com wrote: Well basically, some of the thing from the list which is really important and needs to be sorted out soon includes elected members from the chapters to the board, Actually, this is being discussed by the chapters themselves at this very moment. Without wanting to restrict the board in any way in its discussions, I don't believe that the board can do or say much here at the moment prior to receiving decisions/communications from the chapters. Michael -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:11 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/7 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org: A quick update: the Thank You banner is currently scheduled to stay up until January 9, 4 PM PST. We're keeping it up a while longer in part because it's the first work week after the holidays for many people, and in part because it's an opportunity for chapters to get some more visibility (we may have reached our goals ahead of time, but the chapters were operating under the assumption that the fundraiser would continue until January 15). As explained in the Thank You letter, the funds donated to WMF from now until the end of the fiscal year will go into our reserve fund and will help us to not live from hand to mouth as we head into the new fiscal. We'd always planned to raise at least $1.3M in reserve funding throughout the fiscal year. It is also a opportunity to further annoy our readers. IT's pretty clear they don't like it and you know this because...? -- Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] fund
Eh, why mod fail? He apparently subscribed to the list and posted afterwards, there is nothing we can do to prevent this or would you like us to check all new subscription requests (how?) ? For the record, all emails by non-members at the moment get automatically rejected with an email saying that they can email foundation-l-owner if they absolutely want to post without being subscribed. The poster has now been unsubscribed. Michael 2008/12/8 John Reaves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mod fail? On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 3:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear sirs! My name is IGOR KULAGIN I live in Bulgaria I very much wish to receive any money, but me have warned that it is all a deceit and Swindle. If you think that it not so-then pay for delivery of money in my address or Into my bank account. I the fair person also will send you half of received sum. I wait for your actions and you receive exactly 50 % from the sum received by me. You take from them of 50 % for service, and others of 50 % send on mine The bank account Yours faithfully IGOR KULAGIN BULGARIA, 9101, BYALA, Varnenska obl. ul. Kamchia, 3. POSTBANK, BG 18 BPBI 7945 41 60207201 USD BIC: BPBIBGSF Ph.00359897374324 - Хостинг от 2.60 лв/м|Домейни от 17.46 лв/с ДДС|Сървъри, VPS от 42.00 лв/м с ДДС 12 GB място, Неограничен трафик, Безплатен домейн �C 5.70 лв./м с ДДС! 17 GB място, 700 GB трафик, Безплатен домейн �C 11.46 лв./м с ДДС! http://icn.bg/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- John Reaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] fund
2008/12/9 John Reaves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was thinking all posts were moderated. Self-defeating argument: If all posts were moderated, your Mod fail would have been rejected (or silently discarded, rather). -- Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Commons-l] Making Wikimedia Commons less frightening
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Magnus Manske [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Gerard Meijssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hoi, When people from other projects tell me that this is one of the reasons why they do not bother with Commons, I have to disbelieve them? Try to find paard and you will not be served in the same way as with horse the search result is inferior. Dutch is not the worst option, try ίππος and you find nothing. This is Greek and it also means horse. They might not be able to find ίππος. However, they might be able to use this big list of word pairs called a dictionary to translate ίππος into English horse and search for that. Not very comfortable, but hardly impossible as you claim. I guess one of the points is (and I admit that I'm just jumping in here, without having read the entire thread due to time constraints, so please mercifully ignore this if I'm completely off the mark), that the English speakers do not need to take this extra step of looking for a dictionary (online or hard copy) first. Of course this is one of the inherent problems of international collaboration but still, if you put it this way, it does leave this spirit of Why the drama about all these non-English speakers, if they want to partake in the glories of Wikimedia Commons, they'll have to get their act together and find a dictionary (or else learn English) and while I'm sure you do not mean it in this way, I do understand people who object to this...after all, the internationalization of a project is hardly promoted if you just focus on one language and distribute dictionaries to the rest. So much for the nice, idealistic theory. I'm not even going to start venturing into the shallow waters of how to put this into practice...and I do realize that this limitation makes this post less-than-useful :-) Michael -- Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] What is a page in wikipedia?
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:01 PM, K.Siva Senthil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I was trying to find out what is the difference between an article and page in wiki's terminology? Usually, a page is used more broadly in Wikipedia terms: It can be everything from a redirect, to a discussion page, a user page, an image description page etc. An article is really this (namespace 0 for the technically minded), [[Oxford]] is an article whereas [[User:Mbimmler]] is not, but both are pages. -- Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] unsubcribe
Hi, please unsubscribe at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Michael On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 6:11 AM, agung gumilar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear wiki i'm sorry that i decide to unsubcribe from the list ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Anthony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony, Mike - I'm sure you haven't forgotten that this is Foundation-l, not Trademark 01 (or Intro to rhetoric, for that matter), but maybe we can draw the discussion back to matters Wikimedia? I would think the general council's Oh, we created yet another council? I thought a board of trustees, an advisory board and a wikicouncil is enough. SCNR. philosophical position on trademarks is a matter quite Wikimedia, especially since Mike says that it influences what he does pretty much on a daily basis. Yes and maybe we want to leave legal issues to the legal staff? I'm all for discussions, but there is a certain point where laymen's advice becomes less-than-usable/efficient. Michael -- Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks (Was: A local chapter without Wikimedians)
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Thomas Dalton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a very useful tool (if rather cryptic in its output), thank you! If I'm reading it right, it looks like Wikipedia is registered far more widely. Actually, on a second glance, it seems to be registered in Switzerland, despite Michael's claims otherwise. Michael, what was your source for that? (Or did you mean Wikimedia when you said Wikipedia?) Very interesting, to say the least. CH is in the list column of (834) entries, and clicking on the 834 gave me (834): Designations under the Madrid Protocol by virtue of Article 9sexies Now I looked up article 9sexies, which reads as follows: Article 9sexies Safeguard of the Madrid (Stockholm) Agreement (1) Where, with regard to a given international application or a given international registration, the Office of origin is the Office of a State that is party to both this Protocol and the Madrid (Stockholm) Agreement, the provisions of this Protocol shall have no effect in the territory of any other State that is also party to both this Protocol and the Madrid (Stockholm) Agreement. (2) The Assembly may, by a three–fourths majority, repeal paragraph (1), or restrict the scope of paragraph (1), after the expiry of a period of ten years from the entry into force of this Protocol, but not before the expiry of a period of five years from the date on which the majority of the countries party to the Madrid (Stockholm) Agreement have become party to this Protocol. In the vote of the Assembly only those States which are party to both the said Agreement and this Protocol shall have the right to participate. if anyone can tell me, how this relates to whether the mark is now registered in Switzerland or not, I'd be grateful. My source was www.swissreg.ch, which is the official query tool of the Swiss government (and also has an English interface, so you should be able to use it as well) I notice now, and I'm sorry for only noticing now, that they do not include international registrations in this database, I just assumed they would. Bah. Well, I'm glad that at least Wikipedia and Wikimedia seem to be somehow registered in Switzerland, but if anyone of the trademark-savvies here (or someone with more time to research than I have right now) can enlighten me on this (834): Designations under the Madrid Protocol by virtue of Article 9sexies-thing, I'd be grateful. Michael -- Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
