Re: [Foundation-l] Why can't we have $12.5 million for Wikispecies?
John Vandenberg, 26/08/2009 12:07: > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Steven Walling > wrote: >> Very good question. I'd say two major factors: >> 1. Support from scientists. Founded by one of the best-known scientists >> alive, the EOL automatically gained support from the biological sciences in >> academia. Support from the scientific/academic community is the only reason >> their largely single-author system has flourished in my opinion. > > Why cant we have this? I think that at this point we can't hope to do better than EOL, so «If you can't beat them join them»: we should evaluate if and how much Wikispecies (and Commons, which has great pictures of many species) can contribute to EOL content (the main problem here can be that they're mainly CC-BY while we are CC-BY-SA, but their licenses are very flexible – even too much, indeed). Wikispecies could benefit of a "jump on the bandwagon" effect. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Why can't we have $12.5 million for Wikispecies?
See http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2009/aug/21/encyclopedia-life-species Where's the problem with Wikispecies? Moreover, EOL received 33.000 images from individual contributors (http://www.flickr.com/groups/encyclopedia_of_life), Wikispecies didn't. So, why is EOL succeeding, and Wikispecies seemingly doesn't? Is it useful to have two overlapping projects like these? Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikisource-l] Open Library, Wikisource, and cleaning and translating OCR of Classics
Samuel Klein, 11/08/2009 07:00: > Let's take a practical example. A classics professor I know (Greg > Crane, copied here) has scans of primary source materials, some with > approximate or hand-polished OCR, waiting to be uploaded and converted > into a useful online resource for editors, translators, and > classicists around the world. > > Where should he and his students post that material? Slovene Wikisource did something similar: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Slovene_student_projects_in_Wikipedia_and_Wikisource#Wikisource Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Knol, a year later
Samuel Klein, 10/08/2009 19:15: > Another interesting point that knol drives home is : Google has a > limited conception of what human collaboration looks like Cf. http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?ViewPoint «One of the "social features" of a wiki is that it forces the community to deal with disagreements about content. (In a wiki a given page name can only have one "current" version.) ViewPoint would not require the community to agree--any cooperating subgroup could have its own policies. (This subgroup could be as small as one person, or it could contain all but one community member.) --CliffordAdams» (http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?ViewPointComments) Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Two questions about the licensing update of media files
Petr Kadlec, 04/08/2009 10:34: > I have said this to you before: GFDL has never been incompatible with > CC in the context of embedding images in encyclopedic text. Still, it's quite awful to have to comply to two licenses to reproduce one article (CC-BY-SA for text + GFDL for images): then, you'll have to use GFDL only (if it's possibile with that article) or more likely to get rid of those images (yes, on a DVD you could add GFDL text and so on to use those images too, but that's not so good neither). Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics
Felipe Ortega, 25/07/2009 18:06: > * The main proportion of Featured Articles in all top-ten language versions > needed, at least, more than 1,000 days (3 years) to reach that level. But I often see that even an old, quiescent page is completely re-written or significantly improved by an "expert" (of the matter and often of wiki too) user (often FA regulars) to reach Featured article status, and it reaches it in some weeks at most. > * Most of editors contributing to FAs were high experienced editors, meaning > more than 2.5 or 3 years participating in Wikipedia. I read your thesis entirely, and I have a big concern: you consider only number of edits. An admin can edit dozen of thousands of articles reverting vandalisms, and histories are full of huge vandalism-revert series which are history-noise because that's not where the article was improved or acually evolved. You can often see articles created (or significantly expanded) with a single edit followed by dozens or even hunderds of minor edits and vandalism-reverts. Then, we should rather consider, as authors of articles, users who added it more text; or better, users who added more of the text which is still there (like in wikitrust). Moreover, FA are only a minority of articles and do not measure the quality of the wiki. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Two questions about the licensing update of media files
mizusumashi, 25/07/2009 16:54: > Q1) All media files that have been licensed under the GFDL and allowed > to relicense under CC-BY-SA were relicensed by > [[wmf:Resolution:Licensing update approval]]? Yes, all GFDL "1.2 and later". See http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:GFDL_1.3_relicensing_criteria > Q2) Now, I know, we can't import text licensed under not CC-BY-SA but > only GFDL. How about media files? Can I upload a media file licensed > under not CC-BY-SA but only GFDL? It depends on communities. The only WMF policy is still http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] presentations and marketing @ events
phoebe ayers, 02/08/2009 08:50: > in the meantime we *really* need > a nice-looking one page overview about the projects to hand out -- any > graphic designers up for this? And of course a new press kit too I suppose local chapters have many... See Wikimedia Italia last one: http://www.wikimedia.it/images/Guida_Wiki2009_folder_8facce.pdf (text refined by WM-IT members in years of experience, graphics donated by Diskos, a graphics school, for the Digital freedoms festival: http://www.libertadigitali.org/). Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question
Thomas Dalton, 06/07/2009 16:58: > In the UK there is a concept of an unincorporated > association where the association (which can have full charitable > status) isn't a legal entity in its own right and any agreements it > makes are actually made with the Board of Trustees as a group of > individuals but there is some kind of legislation that ensures > continuity - when the membership of the board changes, the parties to > the agreements somehow change (I didn't investigate this in much > detail because Wikimedia UK decided to go down the incorporated > route). That kind of association would work absolutely fine as a > chapter (the main disadvantage is that the board are personally liable > for the chapter's debts, including court ordered fines and damages) Wikimedia Italia is an association more or less like that («associazione non riconosciuta» = without «personalità giuridica»). :-) Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Open Educational Resources in Poland Conference
Tomasz Ganicz, 25/04/2009 15:06: > Two days ago there was an Open Educational Resources in Poland > Conference. The conference was organized under the honorary patronage > of the Marshal of the Sejm of the Republic of Poland Mr. Bronisław > Komorowski, by Coalition for Open Education of which Wikimedia Polska > is one of 4th memebers. The conference took place on Thursday, April > 23 at. 12.00-16.00 CEST in the Column Hall of the Sejm (Polish > Parliament) of the Republic of Poland (Warsaw, ul. Wiejska 4/6/8). Great venue! Well done. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value?
Nemo_bis, 22/04/2009 23:49: > this NPOV policy has been really useful on it.wikiquote. I forgot to mention that we have also policies on original research (http://it.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:NRO) and notability (http://it.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Wikiquote#Significativit.C3.A0): it was very useful to adapt such notions to Wikiquote (again, en.wikiquote does not have policies on that). Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value?
Michael Snow, 22/04/2009 06:52: > For example, in Wikiquote, I think an expression of neutral point of > view would be to focus on the question of what is actually "quotable". Read more here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Neutral_point_of_view_on_Wikiquote Regrettably, en.wikiquote does not have a real NPOV policy (there's only an old import from Wikipedia): this NPOV policy has been really useful on it.wikiquote. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias
Ray Saintonge, 10/04/2009 23:51: > Nemo_bis wrote: >> Jaska Zedlik, 09/04/2009 19:49: >> >>> So, does an all-Wikipedias rules list exist, or if not, what are there >>> global rules which all the Wikipedias must follow? >>> >> Yes: e.g. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy >> (surprisingly not yet mentioned). >> But some wikis have non-free content and no Exemption Doctrine Policy, >> and don't want to respect this WMF resolution. >> > But even that is an elaboration of the more simple "Wikipedia is free > content." Yes, but much simpler to apply: it is quite simple to determine if a wiki does not respect the Licensing policy, especially if it's so inconsiderate to not that it doesn't have an EDP. But would stewards delete non-free images (or images with no attribution or information at all) on a wiki without an EDP? Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet
Mike Godwin, 12/04/2009 14:35: > 1) We're watching S. Korea closely to determine whether their new "real > name" policy will affect our projects. Thank you. Gabriella Carlucci, a showgirl and deputy (pretty similar works here in Italy, especially according to our prime minister), has proposed a similar law even in Italy... Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Compulsory policies for all Wikipedias
Jaska Zedlik, 09/04/2009 19:49: > So, does an all-Wikipedias rules list exist, or if not, what are there > global rules which all the Wikipedias must follow? Yes: e.g. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy (surprisingly not yet mentioned). But some wikis have non-free content and no Exemption Doctrine Policy, and don't want to respect this WMF resolution. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Request for your input: biographies of living people
David Gerard, 30/03/2009 23:37: > The problem, of course, is that every new link or word of text on that > page lowers its utility. That "help!" page should be as sparse as > possible for user interface reasons. > > What do you all think? http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Aiuto is much lighter. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] NYTimes article: Exploring Fact City
David Gerard, 29/03/2009 21:14: > 2009/3/29 The Cunctator : > >> A lovely article. The only pity is it doesn't note how much of this social >> theory of wikis owes to Sunir Shah's pioneering work on MeatballWiki. > > > MeatballWiki is all but unknown to most Wikipedians, let alone the > outside world. That's not good. I recommend it to all here. For example (just to give a starting point; then you won't be able to stop reading this wiki!), on the wiki/city subject, see these five years old pages: http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?OnlineCommunitiesAreCityStates http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?WikisAsVillages And, since we talk over FlaggedRevisions, this is topical: http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?WikiLifeCycle http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?GatedCommunity http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?LimitGrowth Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Project to create offline-wikipedia DVD distribution
See also http://www.kiwix.org/index.php/Main_Page, http://openzim.org/Main_Page. shantanu choudhary, 20/03/2009 11:21: >- My python parser to create html out of wiki-text if not perfect, i can >replace it with something which is better and existing, but am yet to find >that. What about http://sourceforge.net/projects/wanda-tools/ ? ([http://linux.studenti.polito.it/linuxstudenti/wikidvd_0.22-12Jul2007.iso.bz2 wikidvd_0.22-12Jul2007.iso.bz2] 656 MB ([http://linux.studenti.polito.it/linuxstudenti/wikidvd_0.22-12Jul2007.iso.bz2.md5 md5])) Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] A kind of organisation for transnational Wikipedias
Just a (useless?) reminder: all projects are language-based, all chapters are state-based. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] History splitting (main namespace)
Platonides, 13/02/2009 12:20: > I really recommend against it. > Stewards can delete big pages (and perform oversights there if needed). Actually we use that procedure only for help and project pages (village pump, help desk, etc.). Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] It.wiki wins the "Premiolino"!!
Thomas Dalton, 05/02/2009 18:00: > 2009/2/5 Frieda Brioschi : > >> Premiolino (which means "little award") is the ancient and most >> important italian journalistic award. >> it.wiki wins in the category "New media" for this reason: >> "(because) it's a great, open, accessible for everyone, democratic >> encyclopedia, always updated in real time (e.g. the article "Giorgio >> Napolitano" improved by his staff), very useful for every writer". >> >> The award consists in a parchment and a 5000€ cheque. >> > Congratulations to everyone involved! So who gets the money? WMF, WM IT? Wikimedia Italia. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Domains
Marcus Buck, 17/01/2009 18:28: > [.it at least redirects to Wikipedia]). But we don't control it, and we don't know how long the redirect will function (http://it.wikipedia.org/?diff=21089211&oldid=19470363). However, Wikimedia Italia spends over 270 €/year to control various domains. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Europeana
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, 24/12/2008 21:12: > Interesting material, definitely. But PD; I think not... Europeana is only a portal and metadata search engine: content is actually in other sites (e.g.: http://www.photo.rmn.fr/cf/htm/CPicZ.aspx?E=2C6NU045OU4Q), which terms of use is relevant only. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] GFDL 1.3 Release
Erik Moeller, 02/12/2008 18:30: > A brief update - Mike drafted an FAQ which we're going to release very > soon, and hopefully we'll be able to put together the full proposal > before the new year. In it.wiki there are many uncertainties on splitting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Splitting). Will the CC-BY-SA change the procedure (links, templates, reproduction of the history in the talk, etc.)? Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Offline Reader
Martin Pascal, 27/11/2008 10:02: > Dear all, > > We are working for a new version of Kiwix, the offline reader wich used for > http://wikipediaondvd.com/ . There is also an italian open source project for this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/wanda-tools/. And the next italian Wikipedia DVD (by EX Media) will be open source, too. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing
Gerard Meijssen, 30/11/2008 21:43:
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Re: [Foundation-l] European Commission Green Paper - Copyright in the Knowledge Economy
Teofilo, 14/11/2008 16:20: > The European Commission published in July a "Green Paper - Copyright > in the Knowledge Economy" (1) . http://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Groep_Groenboek/en Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
